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What an unfair slam against this woman.

Posted By: Shameful and disgusting! nm on 2008-08-30
In Reply to: How many of you would leave your 4-month-old special-needs baby to run for VP? nm - CG

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That's a little unfair
don't you think. There are always people who threaten on both sides--they are the far extremes of any political group. No one group holds a monopoly on threats. Please try to think about this objectively.
Unfair?

You seem to be an intelligent person so would you please explain to me why my opinion is unfair?  She never removed her Hollywood, or beauty queen might be a better description, smile.  I do not think this is the time or place for the "oh gee, oh gosh, doggone it" folksiness.   Give me at least one good point that she made about specifically what she and McCain would do if elected.  Oh yeah, I know, she's a soccer mom and she has a handicapped child.  Well, Bidin had a more compelling story on that, at least for me!  Sheesh?  You have your opinion, I have mine.  Doesn't matter if we happen to agree or not.  I'm not going to "sheesh" you.  I DO NOT want to see Palin in the position of Vice-President nor do I want to see McCain in the White House.  If picking her as his running mate, after meeting her only briefly, is an example (and it is) of his judgment capabilities then again, in my opinioin, we can expect more bad judgment on crucial issues from him.


I have serious issues with Obama.  Again, with his radical, racist church affilitation and there is no doubt in my mind about that.  I DO NOT believe he is muslim or has leanings toward muslimism.  Then there is the issue of his wife, who is for the first time proud of her country.  There is no doubt in my mind that she said what she meant and meant what she said.  That ought to tell us something. I am not concerned whether he wears a flag lapel pin or not.  That's nothing  more than show and tell anyway, a terrorist could wear a lapel pin.


What does concern me is that it is my belief that this Wall Street failure was orchestrated, probably by the Democrats, to give them an advantage.  Furthermore, I fully expect the Republicans to retaliate.  What will it be?  Another terrorist attack or maybe just a video released at an opportune time to remind us that bin Laden may rear his ugly head at any moments and McCain is just the person who could deal with him?


After the debate I feel comfortable with Joe Biden.  Perhaps I am wrong.  Time will tell.  Either Obama will win and, like John Kerry, we'll never know what kind of president John McCain would  have been or McCain  will win and there'll be no doubt.  The last 2 elections I voted AGAINST George W. Bush.  Seems I was right but then again, we don't know what kind of pres. John Kerry would have been. I don't see how he could possibly have been worse than G. W. Bush.


Folks, we need to get over the Republican/Democrat thing and realize our country is in SERIOUS trouble.  Personally I don't think it will make much difference which of them is elected.  We need to write letters, make phone calls or do whatever is necessary to tell these politicians they WILL do their job and pay attention to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.  I talked yesterday with a lady in my representative's office locally.  I told her that I was outraged about the Wall Street bail-out.  She said they had had very few calls that were in favor of it but the representative (Republican) voted for it because he was worried about people on fixed incomes.  HA!  I told her I am such a person.  We risk losing our secure retirement but a bail out is not going to help us...the little people on fixed incomes.  It will make the rich richer and destroy our children and grandchildren's future. Next will be another conglomerate that absolutely requires bail-out.  Maybe it will be Wal-Mart, the retail giant that we just couldn't live without?


Sorry for the rant but IMHO we have gotten in this mess because the majority of voters can't see past the Democrat/Republican affilitation!!!!


 


I think it's unfair to say (sm)
that liberals support a woman's right to choose. I'm about as conservative as you can get and I believe abortion should be nobody's business but the woman having one and the doctor performing it.

While I don't agree with abortion and would never personally have one, I don't believe in villifying those that do.

Last summer in my town, there were a group of pro-lifers that paraded up and down the main drag in town with posters showing what aborted babies looked like - imagine driving down that street with your 8-year-old son like I did, trying your best to ignore it and hope he did too.

This demonstration made me wonder if any of those people had ever offered thier services to a pregnant woman considering an abortion. They could easily offer baby-sitting services while the girl finished school or went to work, give them rides to the doctor's office during the pregnancy, be a friend - someone to talk to. I'm pretty sure they've never done any of that (only because I knew most of them) and I think that's sad - they probably would prevent more abortions that way than screaming "baby killer" at those same women.
That's an unfair characterization and I think you know that...
sheesh. nm.
I think that's a really unfair statement.
To say that we are afraid of him because he's black? I personally don't care what color he is as long as he does his job for the good of America instead of the good of himself, like too many other "leaders" in Washington.

I'm afraid because I don't think his bailout plan is going to work. I'm afriad that instead of surrounding himself with intelligent people, he's surrounding himself with crooks (Geithner). And I'm afrid that there are too many people up on the hill that are going to make life impossible for him when he actually has a plan that will work (and I'm not just talking about republicans - there are now fellow democrats that are voicing concern). THAT'S what I'm afriad of.

I agree that there's a lot of hate on this board, but that's indicative of America - there are some very narrow-minded people in this country and many that just aren't happy unless their side wins. But to say that we're afraid of him because he's black is just utter nonsense, at least for the majority, so please don't lump us all into the same category.
Totally unfair. Fox is the only unbiased
nm
That is unfair. You have no idea what people do...
for their fellow man. Christians don't need to have the government extract money from them to fund programs...there are faith-based organizations all over this country, in fact all over the world who take care of their fellow man. Perhaps if more liberals would do the same, there would not be a need for the government to extract money for programs. Put your money where your mouth is.
No, it wasn't right. It's unfair, & illegal.

The robot comment was unfair....
I do not understand people's penchant for ridicule. I just don't get that kind of attitude. If you want to have a political opinion, fine; but do you have to personalize it?

Frankly, I was happy to see her smile. She is still excited about public service. She WANTS to help. She still has that zeal. Did you look at him? Only smiled at HER, looked at the moderator or the press instead of the camera. SHE was talking to ME. HE was trying to score points.

With all due respect, I seriously doubt he picked her after having only met her briefly. That is pure supposition on your part.

If you had been listening to her with an open mind instead of dissing the way she speaks...and frankly, friend, I come from a folksy part of the country and am folksy myself and being folksy does not indicate ignorance. I am tired of people who talk a good fight. I would like to see something other than Washington politics as usual...which Joe Biden is the poster boy for.

As I said, I do not ascribe to nor am I ruled by a political party. This will be the first time in my voting life I have EVER voted a straight anything ticket, and it is darned sure going to be Republican. Won't be in any way responsible for an Obama presidency with a democrat majority to go with it. Let me repeat...NO WAY, NO HOW. We may be circling the drain now...an Obama presidency will send us right on down the toilet.


Totally unfair. Bush is the only one trying
nm
That's not only not true, but completely unfair.
You can't say that everyone on the right defends these people. Who have you heard defend this guy?

And saying that those extremists are the base of the pub party? That's like saying Bill Ayers is the base of the dem party.

Once again, you can't lump all pubs together as the party of hate.
So untrue and so unfair. Disagree with his policies,
nm
I don't slam Obama....
everything I have posted about Obama is a fact...he has an association with an anarchist. I also said in the same post that until the papers from Oolumbia came out I would reserve judgment. That is in no way a slam. It is a fact. He voted against the Infants Born Alive bill in Illinois. Twice. He is the only senator who got up and actually spoke against it. That is a fact. All you have to do is check the public record of the Illinois state senate. I posted it because it is the truth and that is a concern to me as a voter. That is my right,much as you would like to take it away from me. And you people have the GALL to call me intolerant. Good lord, people.

I don't hate the Clintons. I don't hate Obama. I don't even hate you poor people. I don't hate anyone. Hate is a useless, wasted emotion. Maybe one of these days you people will realize that.

I have said this over and over, and perhaps you people can make me understand this question. Democrats are supposed to be all about individual freedom, including freedom of speech. Yet you do not practice it. What is that about? Don't you need to just come clean and say yes we believe in that for us, but not for you?
Not a slam, just a clarification. I post under sm here. sm
MT is his or her own person.  Final post.  DD.
oh, it's ok for you to slam the conservative board
but it's not ok for me to say you're a whiner? Why don't you just live with it? The conservative board is, you know, for conservatives. Let it be, let it be.
Bd has 1 post today. Slam has

. .  . oh, who cares enough to count!!


 


Oh, snap! Slam dunk on that one!

The slam dunk was by "Watcher"
nm
Maybe gourdpainter did not, but you and JTBB slam
nm
Slam dunk nothing. What did she say that was so sensational? More of her opinion
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The rule is that you are requested not to slam on other boards. sm
Conservatives and liberals are welcome to post on each other boards if it is done with respect.
Never miss a chance to slam the Dems, do you?
nm
Then we'd have to endure that "dignity of the office" slam
An outdoor shindig in the dead middle of winter after dark? Average mean temperature in DC for January 20 is 34 degrees, average low of 27 and record low of -2F.

Hello. Many donors and attendees are fairly evolved folks who actually ENJOY puttin' on the Ritz. For the last time, it's not tax payer money. Once again, this is not about Obama. It's about all the Americans who will be celebrating his inauguration.


Oh slam Obama all day, but don't bring up BUSH
He's the one that put us in the mess. Get it?
I woulld call that one a slam dunk!

 


That would explain why you slam Obama, hate Clinton
nm
Obama slam dunks socialist slur at
in news conference Q&A after the event.  Turns lemons into lemonade on Joe the Plumber and Biden's alleged gaffes.  Looking more and more presidential with each passing moment.  Wait.  What's that I hear?  Must be the sound of the helium leak seeping out of McCain's deflating hot air balloon.   
Wrong! You guys love to blow things up just to slam
nm
Wow, you have just proven my point with such a nasty slam, you knew exactly that I was referring to
thankfully has been translated into the King's English, as I, too, never found the time to learn the old languages, but if you look into any bookstore, you can pick up a copy, best seller, very easy to read and follow with an open heart. Why the nasty slams, do they stem from some very frayed, exposed nerves that come from trying to defend the indefensible? Mr. Bush is a very nice, Christian man in my point of view, I would probably love to meet him, but he made an abdomination out of the office of the presidency, and I am just hoping and praying for a return to respect, decency, hope, altruism, etc for this country. But if the haters have their way, it will never happen, a house divided against itself really will fall, and we can all continue to argue and ridicule. Really sad.
Larger-Than-Life Corporate Salaries are Unfair to Average American Workers. see article.

Commentary: Larger-Than-Life Corporate Salaries are Unfair to Average American Workers


Date: Friday, April 14, 2006
By: Judge Greg Mathis, BlackAmericaWeb.com



Despite slower-than-anticipated growth and lower-than-expected profits, many corporations have generously rewarded their leaders, while simultaneously reducing lower-level staff salaries and benefits in an attempt to control costs. This disturbing practice only serves to further widen the gap between America’s wealthy few and its working class and clearly demonstrates just how little this country values its workforce.


At a time when most American workers are struggling to make basic ends meet and worrying how they’ll manage to save enough for retirement, many of this country’s corporate chief executives are stuffing their pockets with larger-than-life compensation packages that include high base salaries, stock options and ample pension plans. In 2004, the average chief executive’s salary at a large company was more than 170 times that of the average worker’s pay. Last year, executive salaries grew 25 percent, while that of the average American worker grew only 3.1 percent. 




Even when a company struggles, their CEOs are still rewarded. For example, the current CEO of a global manufacturing firm received over $11 million in compensation last year, despite the company’s $3.4 billion revenue loss, an 11-percent drop in stock value and a staff reduction of 17,000 workers. There are similar stories at corporations across the country. While worker pensions are frozen and many are asked to do without raises, CEOs manage to earn their multi-million dollar bonuses.


It’s no surprise that CEOs are cleaning up. Consider this: Corporations often use compensation committees to set their executive salaries. Many of these committees use outside consultants to help guide the process. These consultants are often already contracted to do other work for the company. The conflict of interest here is obvious: The consultant won’t upset the CEO -- and risk losing other contracts -- by setting a more realistic, performance based pay model.


Many corporate CEOs are, in short, getting over, and it is a slap in the face of every American worker. While it is understood that executive salaries would greatly exceed that of the average worker’s, there is no logical argument to explain why the growth rate between the two is so dramatically different. To protect its workforce, corporate America must ensure worker’s salaries grow at rates that keep pace with the cost of living, while slowing the rate of growth of CEO salaries. Corporate boards must stop rewarding CEOs with multi-million dollar bonuses. It is unacceptable for a company to lay off thousands of workers and then turn around and pay an executive for a job well done.


As a country, we often ask our government to think about the needs of the average American, and rightly so. However, if America is to truly prosper, the corporations that feed our local economy must also consider and respect the well-being of average worker.


---


Judge Greg Mathis is national vice president of Rainbow PUSH and a national board member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.


LOL...I mean **woman**!

Mrs. M, are you a woman?
I'm kind of doubting this, based on Mrs. M's preoccupation with various women's looks.
Who was this woman?

An eagle also needs to land sooner or later. Barak is neither left or right. Yes, he does lean a bit to the left, but for years we've had Bush lean to the extreme right thanks to his righteous evangelical radicals. This scares me a lot more. Please read and enlighten yourselves. Those of you who are still undecided are to be pitied. This campaign has been going on for so long, if you still don't know who to vote for....I would say you have a hell of a problem. Take your blinders off, Falwell is dead and I wish Limbaugh was too. The American people have brainwashed themselves and they like it. There are other great countries in the world, not just the U.S. They are proud patriots also and believe their country is the best. So wake up, READ about history and other countries. I live in a country that I would bet hardly of you know, let alone the capital. The country is called Canada and the capital is Ottawa. I too am proud of my country and I think IT IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!  Stop listening to those stupid radio talk shows who are nearly all republican........get a life. Vote for Barack, my God you folks need a change!!!


Monique


 


that woman is a ...........sm
stupid, FUGLY, racist BIATCH!
So a woman has a right to

abort with no questions asked because it is her uterus and no one's business.  Yet you wish to take away the rights of people who don't believe in abortion and work in the medical field.  No job should require you to do something that you find unethical.  If you want to abort your child....fine....that is your decision and one that you will have to answer for and live with.  So many people are on here screaming about their rights and how dare their rights be taken away.  Forcing someone in the medical field to be involved in something they feel is unethical......isn't that taking away their rights.  They have a right to refuse.  There are other people in the medical field who would willingly perform an abortion....so why force those who find it unethical?  That is just wrong. 


A better woman?
OMG!  Do even know what a better woman is?   I will tell you - one who can say he** with that SOB rapist, I'm living my life my way and moving on!    You sound more angry than I do?   Have you lived your life to the fullest without being taken advantage of?  Are you happy?  Is it easier for you to point fingers and say what others should do?   I am a very happy person who believes bad things sometimes happen to good people.  This has nothing to do with being a better or stronger woman.  
American Woman
American Woman, Dont leave, Im the one *they*, whomever (I frankly dont care..smile) tried to ban..Im the one they reported like back in grade school..oooohhhh..gonna tell the teacher..Im still here and NO ONE is gonna get rid of me or my opinions or beliefs unless they ban me and then I will move onto another political board..Dont leave, American Woman..I enjoy your posts and think you are an intelligent person who shows she cares through her posts..We need that here..heck if you leave, I probably will end up leaving, so will Lurker, Observer and all the rest and then what will become of this board..Please stay..Ya know what I do when it gets too much, I spend a half hour or so on Bill Mahers board (they are so friendly)..What you post about is the truth in America, dont deny others of reading the truth that you post..Please stay.
Hey, American Woman!!
Glad to read ya!  Come back here, we all must maintain the liberal site, no matter what, ya know? I have  been posting at Bill Maher's site, GCT is my *handle*.  I usually go into the Current Events arena.  I posted a hi to you on Bill Maher's site about one week ago.  I didnt see your post, was focused on posts concerning crazy lady Barbara Bush mostly, LOL.  Tell ya what, put a clothing pin on ya nose and come back here.  I alternate between here and Bill Maher's site. 
To American Woman
Dont ya know when I get off this board, I feel like I need a shower after dealing with the attack conservatives?  It bugs the heck out of me at times..however, I enjoy reading what other democratic liberals are posting and knowing we are the future for America, the liberal people..There is no way the me-me, lock me behind a gated community, who cares about you, I got mine society will exist..It is not workable in an expanding world.  So, as much as sometimes the conservatives, for some reason or another cannot stay on their own board and bug the heck out of me, I check back here every once in a while..I wish you would too.  We need you here as a compassionate sane poster..I was on Bill Maher last night in Current Events, talking about jury duty, which I have to do in October..Blah!!
Hi American Woman!

Hi American Woman!  Come on back here regularly.  We have some really good liberal posters now.  Yes, Im in CA.  The fires are all around me but havent come to the desert yet (where I am).  They have been moving towards the ocean instead (opposite direction).  With a change of the wind, though, the fires could change direction, then they would come over the Sierra Nevada Mountains to get to the desert.  About two years ago a fire came up over the mountains and you could see it from my house and the air was thick with smoke and soot.  Was quite scary..but the firefighters were able to get it out.  Yup, CA, the land of mudslides, wildfires, earthquakes, torrential rains (when it does rain..smile).  So good to hear from ya..Come on back here.  The board isnt the same without ya. :o).


P.S. American Woman
I should have included this in my last nights post..thank you for thinking of me and praying for me and my family.  You are so kind.  :O)
gt: Where's American Woman??
I haven't read too far yet tonight but is she back? And don't know what you're referring to in terms of your family but please let us all know if there is anything we can do to help?
It's actually a woman speaking. sm
This is very significant because this was on Al-Jazeera TV and what she says is pretty chilling.  I clicked on it and it worked for me. I am sure you can find it somewhere else on the internet.  Just for the record, I am not so sure he is president material myself.  I dont doubt his leadership in the war on terror, but I am disappointed in other things.
Why would any self-respecting woman

vote for a man who calls his wife a "cu_t" and a trollope?


I don't get it. This is his wife- supposedly the one he loves. Apparently doesn't respect!


What does he believe about other women?


PS....all as a married woman, I might add.
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You can't speak for all of us. As a woman,
nm
What woman did he diss? sm
I'm being sincere here, I don't know who it was.  I know it wasn't HC because I thought she said she wouldn't consider VP.  But maybe it is her and she changed her mind.
I think it is a woman's right to choose.


IT has been debunked. The woman who...
said she was a member has recanted. She has always been registered republican. Her husband was a member several years ago.

Obama's pastor as recently as last year said "God dam* AMerica." Both Obama and his wife attended that church for 20 years.

Comparing the statements...and the person who made them...I would say there is no room to accuse Sarah Palin about her husband than to accuse Obama and his wife about their pastor/mentor/friend who married them and baptized both of their children.

Can we leave this nonissue now?
one intelligent woman
The fact that you can write that in such a classy way should make the libs choke on their words.

Nice job and don't let anyone ever silence your beliefs.

My favorite part of what you said was this "There is nothing wrong with nor to be ashamed about in the way we feel and we are as much entitled to that as liberals are to liberalism".

For the party that claims tolerance, they are the most intolerant people I encounter.

Happy Friday girl
hello? the statement that the woman
loves to fire people? pretty simple what i was responding to.