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Some states have passed compassionate euthanasia already, Oregon. nm

Posted By: sm on 2009-02-10
In Reply to: Compassionate euthanasia. It is not that far a reach any more. sm - MT and worn out

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Compassionate euthanasia. It is not that far a reach any more. sm
It happened in Italy just the other day. It took the lady 4 days to die.

That is what you have to look forward to if the premise of his health care plan is correct.

So when they talk about leaving the debt to our children, g-children, and g-gchild, then they will be healthy enough to cough up the money to pay the piper.

JMHO though.


States with pending/passed 10th Amendment Sovereignty resolutions. sm
These resolutions are important to prevent the Federal government from usurping State Sovereignty. This is a partial list as other states are jumping on board the last few months. Colorado is one and New Hampshire just failed to get one passed thanks to partisan problems.

To read one of the resolutions, here is a link to one from the state of Arizona:

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

2009: Arkansas - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

2009: Arizona - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment

1994: California - 10th Amendment

1995/96: Georgia - 10th Amendment

2009: Georgia - 10th Amendment

2009: Kansas - 10th Amendment

[NEW] 2009: Kentucky - 10th Amendment

1997/98: Louisiana - Sovereignty Constitutional Amendment

2009: Michigan - 10th Amendment

2009: Minnesota - 10th Amendment

2009: Missouri - Freedom of Choice Act (Abortion), 10th Amendment

2009: Montana - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, 2nd Amendment

2009: New Hampshire - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Federal Reserve, Taxes, Martial Law, 2nd Amendment, Draft/War, Patriot Act, Labor Camps, 1st Amendment

2008: Oklahoma - 10th Amendment, (Other Legislation: No Child Left Behind, Real ID Act)

2009: Oklahoma - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

2009: South Carolina - 9th Amendment, 10 Amendment, Martial Law and Related, 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment

2009: Tennessee - 10th Amendment

2009: Texas - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

1995: Utah [Number: HJR003, Session: 1995] - 10th Amendment

2009: Utah - Real ID Act

2009: Washington - 10th Amendment
Legalized euthanasia.......... sm
is all it amounts to. Older Americans, as a whole, no longer contribute to society in the way that younger Americans with high-haying jobs contribute through taxes. The Native Americans held their elderly in high regard for their contributions to their way of life. Perhaps Obama should take a lesson from them. To allow someone to die just because they are of a certain chronologic age when there are medical procedures and treatments that could help improve their health and give them a few more good years is, in my estimation, despicable. I wonder if Obama's mother in law falls into that category?
Hey T - Im in Oregon too
I was born and raised in CT, so I always consider myself a New Englander, but now here in GPass Oregon. I'm glad we matter. I've already submitted my vote for him. I do hope we matter because we should be given an equal chance as everyone else.
Here in Oregon
I live in a small town in southern OR (population around 34,000) and it's really bad. 5 houses in our neighborhood have just become vacant (one in foreclosure) just since Christmas. But throughout the town more and more homes are foreclosing and people moving out. I think DH said about 30% of the homes in this town are vacant now. We figure its only a matter of time before the stores start closing down. School teachers have been asked to work one day without pay. Town won't pay any more for police/fire, therefore some 911 calls are going unanswered. Gangs are getting more and more frequent. There's not a lot of industry here (just mainly Wal-Marts, grocery stores, a few restaurant and some mom and pop shops), but whatever industry that is here is laying off. Community colleges are cutting back on a lot of programs. More and more homeless and kids not in school wandering around the town. Not sure how much longer the town will survive. Lots of retired here so they keep going, but there is just nothing to look forward to here. We don't eat out (no money, plus we don't like leaving our home for very long with all the people wandering around). Every day we hear of some house being broken into and it was right after they left to go do something. But they are so bold that they break into your home while your asleep. Overall the economy is very bad here and it looks like no signs of improvement in the near future, if ever at all. This may become a ghost town in a few years and maybe just a vacation spot (that is when people can afford to take vacations again).
Strange, they keep telling us in Oregon...

That it will all come down to us.


I certainly hope that's true because we hate Hillary AND McCain.


 


Oregon loves Obama!
Wow, did you see the headline about Obama in Oregon?  His rally had 65,000 yesterday with another 15,000 who couldn't fit in, plus more on boats watching from the water.  That must have been something!  Here's to hoping for a big margin for Obama in Oregon tomorrow and in November!
Oregon allows assisted suicide---not
compassionate euthanasia. the person being euthanized must be coherent, terminally ill and willing.
Portland, Oregon. Beautiful day out.
LOVE IT HERE!!! We are almost at 10% unemployment rate. People are shopping, but more looking than buying. There are still a lot of people eating out at the high end restaurants, costing anywhere from 13.00-24.00 a plate. I do not see a recession here. People still out and about and driving to places. I know lots of people who are going away out of state for spring break.

I live in the burbs of Oregon in a city of 42,000. My family is getting ready for maybe a slight depression coming in the economy. I am currently taking a CERT training course in our city. To save money, my husband takes the bus in and then the MAX (electric train) into downtown Portland to work. Basically costs him nothing for gas as the company pays for it. Worry about hubby losing his job, although he says he is stable for now. I know other families who are out of work, but yet they seem to be just going along their normal business as some say they are in shock still. Hopefully their money does not run out.

My husband has been laid off about 5 times in 24 years of marriage. I know what it is like for hubby to be out of work and the last time was back in 2002 for 6 months. He is in IT. All those layoffs were in the ugly desert and he** hole spot of Phoenix, AZ for 21 years of marriage and 26 years of my life. Three seasons, spring for 2 months, summer and then he** for most of the year. Talk about living in the city! We are glad to be out of there. You either like or you HATE IT! Still have lots of family living there. The housing is horrible in Phoenix. There was a lot of greed and many out of staters bought second homes in Phoenix thinking they could sell in a year or two and make money. Guess what happened? Just about everyone had the same idea and so many with subprime loans.
What is not compassionate about that?
I said we all agreed we should insure all children. I merely said that that should get top priority among social programs. Why is that not compassionate? What is wrong with prioritizing the spending? We cannot go on forever, more programs, more taxes, more programs, more taxes...I don't know about you, but 35-40% off the top of my paycheck already makes it difficult to make a living and make my own insurance premiums. I am in medical transcription so I am by no means rich. Keep taxing me and I will need programs to get by. Now is that going to help anything? If we cannot prioritize spending 35-40% of the nation's income off the top, we a real problem, friend. We cannot do every thing for every person. So let's prioritize. Let the children's health coverage come first, and prioritize from there on down. Why is that not compassionate? Do you feel that illegals should have access to all our social programs? Do you seriously feel that??
Compassionate? Hardly, I think.......... sm
but you may be on to something about engineering healthy future generations of government workers who will be physically and mentally able to repay this enormous debt.
That is why Oregon is such a great state to live in.
What a turn out! We live too far away to have gone, but like the other poster I don't do well in crowds.
I also saw bits and snippets of his interview on Good Morning America saying they should back off of Michelle. I think that's great that he is sticking up for her. Clearly the "other side" didn't post the message about what she was talking about and what she meant. They just took a snippet and made a commercial from it when they know that's not what she meant. Then they can sit there with a smirk on her face "she said it, it's on film" but they aren't showing what she meant, so they are purposely being deceiful. It is very low class and just too silly. What's next, they are going to find something his kids said? Also McCain and Clinton better watch out because if they go after Obama's spouse there is plenty of stuff on their spouses too. I read today that Clinton is planning to "unleash" something about Michelle and if she wants to bring anything up we've got plenty of dirt on her spouse "called impeachment". Then there is McCain's wife who is a recovering prescription drug addict and in 1994 escaped prosecution from stealing/using drugs (funny what money can buy you).
Could you be any more judgemental, any less compassionate?
You said: "I do not want to TAKE CARE of any more people. He should be preaching get up, get an education, take care of yourselves."

Do you think he should preach 'GET UP" to people flat on their back?

Your mentality is sickening in America - and you are far from alone. PULL yourself up by your own bootstraps and don't whine to me that you don't even own boots!!

UNTIL you walk a mile in the shoes of those who many need a helping hand, dont you dare judge whether or how much we CIVILIZED Americans should assist them.

There but for the Grace of God go you 'my friend' -

IF THIS GOVERNMENT CAN RAP E THE TREASURY TO PAY FOR FAKE WARS, IT CERTAINLY CAN CREATE A SAFETY NET for its most vulnerable citizen. Shame on anyone who says otherwise.


Compassionate conservatism

Two years ago I took in a friend who had fallen on hard times.  We have known one another since high school, over 40 years.  For the last several years she had been living with relatives who by her account were very mean to her and treated her as a sort of  servant.  She had lost a small disability pension, with its medical insurance, and had gone through all of her meager savings.  Her disabilities are of the vague, undiagnosable type:  Diffuse pain, muscle spasms, respiratory problems, palpitations, strange allergic reactions to foods/ medications/environmental irritants.  She was accident prone, unable to concentrate and had out-of-control emotions a lot of the time.  I  attributed much of  this to the stress of  her living situation and could see no way to help her, other than getting her out of what seemed to be a very hostile environment.


 


So  I made this offer:  Move in with me and regroup.  No one will harm you here.  Get your mind and body back in some kind of balance.  File your pension appeal.  Another friend told me of an attorney who had handled her similar appeal.  I shared my car with her, since hers had bitten the dust years before.  I was determined not to pressure her, but to let her manage her own financial, physical and emotional recovery. 


 


No one forced me to do this.  I  shared my home,  provided food, shelter and transportation without expecting a cent, out of friendship.  You have no idea what this offer has cost me.  The monetary issue is quite secondary to the peace and tranquility I  (who have lived alone for most of the last 40 years and loved it)  have sacrificed.  And it is true what they say:  You don’t really know someone until you live with them.


 


For more than a year, nothing much changed and I grew very tired of her constant whining and self-pity.  It seemed that the more I did for her, the more she needed me to do (but only those things she would accept - I could keep my advice to myself.)  And I grew weary of hearing her complain that I am so fortunate, that I cannot possibly feel her pain, nor can I  possibly understand that she can’t concentrate on her pension paperwork for more than a few minutes at a time, can’t bear to sit and type, can’t read the fine print without her vision blurring.  My offers to help her with this - after all, I type medical and psych stuff for a living - were refused over and over.  Her filing deadline came and went, and that opportunity was lost forever.  She claimed the lawyer never told her there was such a deadline.  I guess it was my fault for not finding her a better attorney.  Now each month she gets a bill from him.


 


Every serious conversation went in circles and ended in tears and recriminations from her.  Now I was the one being mean to her.  Frankly, I could barely stand being in the same room, yet she followed me around asking why we never talked anymore.  So after 15 months I was forced to go all *tough-love* on her.  I gave her an ultimatum (the or-else unspecified) that within 60 days I must see some progress with her situation.  She had to file for SSDI, Medicaid, food stamps, find some psychological help, go to a free medical and vision clinic, etc.  I provided all the contact information she would need.  I was willing to support her, but was not going to bankrupt my self assuming her medical and legal bills for the rest of her life. 


 


And still, 50 days later I  saw no indication that she had done anything.  Not wanting to wait for the 60th day and my bluff to be called, I finally had to be so mean that she was forced to turn to the county mental health system.  This was the only way I could see to get her some help.  Taking her back to her family was not an option and I was not going to send her to live under a bridge (a very real possibility.)


 


Since then she has had a social worker leading her through the application process for all those services, and she is now accepting advice from the social worker that had been unacceptable when it came from me.   


 


So here’s the thing.  I have a new perspective on her family members, who were probably doing their own version of  tough love, but would never think of throwing her butt out.  My friend maintains that if she were still living with them, she would have ended up at county mental health just the same.  Nonsense!  Without some imminent threat, she would still be crying on my shoulder daily about her nasty family and their lack of understanding.


 


By being too kind (a democrat) I was enabling my friend to put off indefinitely doing anything to help herself.  I had to stop giving her fish and put a fishing pole within reach (become a republican).  It was up to her to pick it up and start feeding herself.  It is clear that she genuinely has problems but that she is also capable of doing what is required, when properly motivated.  I had to get downright ugly about it, and her social worker now sets tasks and deadlines to keep her on track.  She sees a counselor.  She gets medications.  She qualified for food stamps.  She has been approved for SSDI and Medicaid.  For most of her life she paid into these systems and now it is only fair she receive something back when she needs it.   Maybe I will even get my friend back and enjoy her company again.  


 


And this whole scenario is how a helping hand is supposed to go.  Wherever possible charity should be voluntary, not compulsory.  Nobody forced me help; I did it voluntarily, out of affection.  But even friendship and compassion have their limits; love and goodwill can be strained to breaking.  There is a place for government assistance,  but turning to the government should be the last resort, not the first.  And you have to try to help yourself first.


 


And now Obama, et al, want to REQUIRE me to do this for a bunch of strangers as well?  No thanks, I already gave.


Compassionate conservativism - 2

Let’s just beat this dead horse into a pulp, shall we?


Suppose we’re friends and I give you $100 or a gift worth that much, just because we’re pals.  It is well within the rules for you to spend the money on anything you want.  It is also well within the rules for you to exchange the gift for a different color or size, or even for something else that you like better.  Still within the rules (though tacky) is to pawn the gift, take the $50 you get, and blow it on anything you want.  It was a present.]


However,  suppose you are my friend (or even a complete stranger) and you tell me you’re kids are hungry.  Suppose I give you $100, and suppose doing that shorts my monthly budget for luxuries or even necessities, but I have decided your need is greater.  This too is a gift. 


But instead of spending the money on enough food to feed yourself and your family for a couple of weeks, you decide life is short (could be a big part of why you’re asking for money in the first place) and what you really need is a good time.  You spend the money on dinner out, with wine, and a show, because you figure you can always put on your hungry face, trot out your starving kids, and hit up your ol’ buddy A. Nonymous for another C-note?  Not illegal, and you won’t go to jail for it, but certainly violating the spirit of the gift and not even remotely within the rules of common decency.  Don’t ask me to help you anymore.  I would be stupid to fall for it again.  You are the one starving your kids, not me, and I am very sorry.


And what if I am not the only friend you have asked for help?  Better hope we don’t all get together and compare notes. Because then we’re all kicking you off the gravy train. 


Wow what a loving, tolerant, and compassionate

little liberal you are...NOT.  You just wished me dead.  How sweet!


What a wonderful way to show your *compassionate*

side at Christmas time.


This woman's soldier son was killed in Iraq right before the holidays, leaving behind a wife and child, but you glibly act like it's no big deal.


Of course, to those of your ilk, the only good soldier is a DEAD one, so it's perfectly understandable.


Crawl back under your rock.  You're nothing but an ugly, hateful snake.


Carla...  (((hugs)))... please ignore this ignorant, hateful subhumanoid creature.  Don't read any more of its posts.  It is clearly an evil force that only truly belongs on the CON board.


I think we should all ignore this poster and not feed its hatred.  Just like Bush, It clearly has no compassion for those it sends to fight a war based on lies and deceit.


Make that Compassionate conservatism
Oh, duh! 
High Court upholds Oregon Assisted Suicide Law
(It's interesting to note that Roberts was a good, obedient little Justice as he hung on to Scalia's coattails and supported the Bush administration.  I can't help but believe if Alito had been installed now, the decision most certainly would have been 5-4, instead of 6-3.  I thought that Republicans were in favor of states' rights.  Guess not.  In this case, the citizens of the state voted for this law.  We're only one Bush LIFETIME appointment away from the end of freedom of self-determination.

High Court upholds Ore. assisted suicide law



January 17, 2006

BY GINA HOLLAND ASSOCIATED PRESS




WASHINGTON-- The Supreme Court upheld Oregon's one-of-a-kind physician-assisted suicide law Tuesday, rejecting a Bush administration attempt to punish doctors who help terminally ill patients die.

Justices, on a 6-3 vote, said that a federal drug law does not override the 1997 Oregon law used to end the lives of more than 200 seriously ill people. New Chief Justice John Roberts backed the Bush administration, dissenting for the first time.

The administration improperly tried to use a drug law to punish Oregon doctors who prescribe lethal doses of prescription medicines, the court majority said.

Congress did not have this far-reaching intent to alter the federal-state balance, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for himself, retiring Justice Sandra Day O'Connor and Justices John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Stephen Breyer.

Kennedy is expected to become a more influential swing voter after O'Connor's departure. He is a moderate conservative who sometimes joins the liberal wing of the court in cases involving such things as gay rights and capital punishment.

The ruling was a reprimand to former Attorney General John Ashcroft, who in 2001 said that doctor-assisted suicide is not a legitimate medical purpose and that Oregon physicians would be punished for helping people die under the law.

Kennedy said the authority claimed by the attorney general is both beyond his expertise and incongruous with the statutory purposes and design.

Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for himself, Roberts and Justice Clarence Thomas, said that federal officials have the power to regulate the doling out of medicine.

If the term 'legitimate medical purpose' has any meaning, it surely excludes the prescription of drugs to produce death, he wrote.

Scalia said the court's ruling is perhaps driven by a feeling that the subject of assisted suicide is none of the federal government's business. It is easy to sympathize with that position.

Oregon's law covers only extremely sick people-- those with incurable diseases and who are of sound mind, and after at least two doctors agree they have six months or less to live.

For Oregon's physicians and pharmacists, as well as patients and their families, today's ruling confirms that Oregon's law is valid and that they can act under it without fear of federal sanctions, state Solicitor General Mary Williams said.

The ruling backed a decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which said Ashcroft's unilateral attempt to regulate general medical practices historically entrusted to state lawmakers interferes with the democratic debate about physician-assisted suicide.

Ashcroft had brought the case to the Supreme Court on the day his resignation was announced by the White House in 2004. The Justice Department has continued the case, under the leadership of his successor, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

The court's ruling was not a final say on federal authority to override state doctor-assisted suicide laws-- only a declaration that the current federal scheme did not permit that. However, it could still have ramifications outside of Oregon.

This is a disappointing decision that is likely to result in a troubling movement by states to pass their own assisted suicide laws, said Jay Sekulow, chief counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice, which backed the administration.

Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., and a supporter of the law, said the ruling has stopped, for now, the administration's attempts to wrest control of decisions rightfully left to the states and individuals.

Thomas wrote his own dissent as well, to complain that the court's reasoning was puzzling. Roberts did not write separately.

Justices have dealt with end-of-life cases before. In 1990, the Supreme Court ruled that terminally ill people may refuse treatment that would otherwise keep them alive. Then, justices in 1997 unanimously ruled that people have no constitutional right to die, upholding state bans on physician-assisted suicide. That opinion, by then-Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, said individual states could decide to allow the practice.

Roberts strongly hinted in October when the case was argued that he would back the administration. O'Connor had seemed ready to support Oregon's law, but her vote would not have counted if the ruling was handed down after she left the court.

The case is Gonzales v. Oregon, 04-623.



Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


Copyright © The Sun-Times Company


Yeah, right; I forgot, more compassionate conservatism.

Our hatred? Please refer to post above by your compassionate left
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Oregon Christian Coalition Head Resigns - Family Sexual Abuse

If these are *family values* then the right is RIGHT.  I'm proud to say I
don't have 'em!


These people get scarier and scarier every day, and I'm keeping my children
away from them!
 


Christian Coalition head to withdraw from political life 
 


10/10/2005, 5:50 p.m. PT


By RUKMINI CALLIMACHI The Associated Press 


PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The longtime head of the Christian Coalition of Oregon
said Monday that he is withdrawing from public life, a day after news reports
detailed accusations of sexual abuse against him by three female relatives.


I am thankful for a family that loves and supports me, and intend to withdraw
from public life until this is resolved, Lou Beres wrote in a statement posted
on the organization's web site, at http://www.coalition.org


Beres has denied any criminal misconduct and wrote that he will pursue the
Biblical response and do all within my power to reconcile with that person.


Multnomah County District Attorney Michael Schrunk told The Oregonian
newspaper that officials are investigating the complaints against Beres.


The three women — now adults — allege they were abused by Beres as preteens.
Their families called the child abuse hot line last month, after the three
openly discussed the alleged abuse for the first time.


I was molested, one of the women, now in her 50s, told The Oregonian. I was
victimized and I've suffered all my life for it. I'm still afraid to be in the
same room with him.


Beres, 70, has blamed personal and political enemies for the complaint.


Only one of the three cases appears to fall under Oregon's statute of
limitations on sex abuse, which expires after six years. Authorities said that
case involves a young woman who was allegedly abused by Beres when she was in elementary school.


A nephew of Beres' is standing up for the three women.


My family has gone through hell, said Richard Galat, 41, of Oakland, Calif.,
who told detectives that his uncle had molested several female relatives over
the years.


Lives have been ruined. Those of us who have come forward have been
ostracized, verbally abused and the victims of character assassination...It must
stop, he said.


In response to Galat's statements, Beres said on the Christian Coalition web
site Monday, I am grieved by the false allegations of my nephew, Richard Galat.
I am attempting to determine the source of each claim.


Beres, who did not immediately return a phone message from The Associated
Press, is the former head of the Republican Party in Multnomah County, the
Democratic stronghold that includes Portland.


Jim Moore, who teaches political science at Pacific University in Forest
Grove, said Monday that Beres has not been particularly influential in Oregon
politics.


In fact, under his leadership, the Christian Coalition in Oregon has gone
downhill.


In state legislative races in 2004, for example, Moore said that, we found
that Christian Coalition candidates basically did not do as well as they did in
the past.


Oregon Republican Chairman Vance Day said Beres hasn't been much of a factor
in state GOP politics since he stepped down as Multnomah County chairman about 10 years ago.


I don't view this as having any major impact on politics here in Oregon; I
don't think the Christian Coalition has a big footprint here at all, he said.


The group did support a constitutional amendment against gay marriage that
passed handily with voters in November of 2004, but support for that cause was
rallied by another conservative-leaning group, the Defense of Marriage
Coalition.


Tim Nashif, the political director of that group, said he has few details
about the allegations, and added that his group is not associated with the
Christian Coalition.


Anytime any family goes through anything like this it's a pretty grievous
situation and our hearts go out to them, he said. The truth has a tendency to
come out.


Neither will be passed so they can say
whatever they want. Congress is going to be dangled a big carrot by insurance companies and nothing will change. We need a huge change in insurance practices, that would be a great start. Insurance companies are a joke now, not like they were when you actually had some coverage. We need to start doing something about the cost of healthcare - Does a doctor really need to charge me $100 for a 10-minute exam to tell me that I have a sinus infection. I told them that when I went in and just needed a Rx.

I am a bit jaded on this today as I have been dealing with some insurance/doctor crap lately. Regardless, healthcare costs and insurance practices need the overhaul.
Even if it had passed, it would have been...
voluntary. Bush was smart to at least give us the opportunity to take it away from Congress so they would freakin' STOP borrowing it!! I would much rather they coughed up the total I have put in so I could put it in a CD where Congress would keep its grubby paws off it! And incidentally it was courtesy a Dem controlled congress when the decision was first made to raid social security. But they were going to pay it back they said...yeah right. They chuckled into their armpits like Raines, Gorelick, Howard, and Johnson did when they walked away from Fannie Mae. They made out like bandits and WE are on the hook. Are you real proud of them? They did more harm to our economy that Bush ever THOUGHT about doing.

Yak, yak, yak indeed. If we weren't ALL on the hook I would say it served you Dems right.

It Passed 263 to 171 (nm)
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It already did - they passed it
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Only 11 more votes and it would have passed. nm
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But, the first bailout passed because
the dems had the majority of votes. Am I right or did I lose my mind? DON"T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, PLEASE. LOL
SCHIP Passed

11,000 million children will be covered.


The only problem is...they are raising the cigarette tax to $.61 a pack. According to Glenn Beck, we will need 21,000,000 NEW smokers to cover the program. Kinda ironic....use something that is unhealthy to give coverage to keep the kids healthy.


I don't know what they are thinking. I think the government has their heads in the sand.  Every time they tie a new program to smokers, more smokers quit. How are they ever going to cover all these children if another couple thousand people quit smoking?


I absolutely think this program will not work like they think and in a couple years, if not next year, they will be raising taxes on everyone because of the shortfall in the planned coverage.


Sheesh! How did these people ever complete college????? They have no sense.


It passed the Senate........... sm

Now it's on to the House-Senate negotioations.  I just hope we can stand this as a nation. 


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29119293/


Nothing has been passed except the budget. sm

The budget funds Volunteer America, and includes a provision to set up a commission to STUDY whether or not "mandatory volunteerism" should be established.  My prediction is that it won't happen.


Budget has NOT been passed yet....sm
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ny-stbudg0112604697mar31,0,2797230.story
He/she passed first lesson - lie.
NM
It's about to be passed people!!!

Democrats have apparently reached an agreement to move forward with a House vote on the huge cap-and-trade energy tax known as Waxman-Markey this week.


The monstrous bill has already grown from the 946-page version passed by the House Energy and Commerce Committee to an even-heftier 1201-page version released by House Democratic leadership last night.


And they aren't done yet. Negotiations continue between Pelosi and her ally, House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (both D-Calif.) on one side and House Agriculture Committee Chairman Collin Peterson (D-Minn.) on the other.



The apparent breakthrough, which paves the way for a floor vote on Friday or Saturday, is a big giveaway for rural electric co-ops -- a big Peterson priority. Peterson may also extract other big-ticket concessions before a vote happens on the House floor. And why not? What's a few billion dollars between friends when you have a multi-trillion-dollar energy tax hike to divvy up?


That's what's so outrageous about this whole process. Cap-and-trade imposes massive new hidden energy taxes on American consumers. The taxes are hidden in higher prices for gasoline, electricity, and every product in the economy that's grown, shipped, or manufactured. All the revenue, the last estimate from the Congressional Budget Office has the pot at $846 billion over just the first 8 years, so it will clearly be many trillions over the 38-year duration of the program goes into a big pot that politicians can use to buy off opposition and advance other big-government objectives.


Senator Barbara Boxer, the biggest Senate proponent of cap-and-trade and the one who will dole out the billions of dollars on the Senate side if the bill makes it through the House, candidly explained how this works a couple of weeks ago:


There's so much revenue that comes in from a cap-and-trade system that you can really go to a person in a congressional district and get enough votes there by saying, "What do you need? What do you want? You can really help them."


This disastrous bill, which will send energy prices skyrocketing while having no discernible impact on global average temperature will only get worse as even more special interests are bought off at the expense of taxpayers. It's a scam, an enormous tax-and-spend bill concealed in a cloak of green political correctness. The real purpose of the plan is to dramatically enhance the power of Washington politicians by giving them control over vast swaths of the U.S. economy.


Think of this as the death blow for our already teetering rule of law and free market economy. Just as we've seen politicians make arbitrary decisions in banking and the automobile industry, this new central planning of energy will let them exercise similar control over all aspects of the U.S. economy. This type of control, while perhaps well-intentioned, we saw in the 20th century inevitably fails and often leads to despotism.


The outcome in the House is still in doubt. House Blue Dog chairwoman Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-S.D.) said in an interview with Energy and Environment Daily last week that Blue Dogs will not vote for the bill if it's brought up this week. She said:


"Many will insist that we have a number of days to review the language ourselves, to have back and forth with our constituencies and stakeholder groups, to understand how the system with a significant manager's amendment will work. Yes, absolutely, we need to chew on this awhile."


Obviously, Nancy Pelosi is ignoring the concerns of the Blue Dogs, and of all the Democrats from Middle America whose constituents will be slammed with vastly higher energy prices under the plan. Constituents who don't share the smug self-satisfaction that coastal elites will enjoy, that warm, green feeling that's supposed to make it all worthwhile.


If these so-called moderate Democrats fall in line behind the radical leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Henry Waxman, if they vote for a cap-and-trade tax that President Obama famously said will cause energy prices to necessarily skyrocket, they will expose themselves as radical leftists and out of touch with their districts.


Every American who cares about affordable energy and economic freedom needs to contact his or her member of Congress before this vote and demand a no vote on cap-and-trade. The House switchboard is 202-225-3121 or you can use this form on the AFP web site. If they vote for this, they deserve the full political consequences.


*Compassionate Conservative* Bill Bennett: Abort every black baby, reduce crime.


William Bennett Defends Comment on Abortion and Crime


'Book of Virtues' Author Says Hypothetical Remark Was Valid


By JAKE TAPPER



- After pondering on his radio program how aborting every black infant in America would affect crime rates, best-selling author and self-styled Values Czar Bill Bennett is vehemently denying he is a racist and defending his willingness to speak publicly about race and crime.

On the Wednesday edition of his radio show, Bill Bennett's Morning in America, syndicated by Salem Radio Network, a caller raised the theory that Social Security is in danger of becoming insolvent because legalized abortion has reduced the number of tax-paying citizens. Bennett said economic arguments should never be employed in discussions of moral issues.

If it were your sole purpose to reduce crime, Bennett said, You could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down.

That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down, he added.


Outrage From Democrats


Bennett was secretary of education for President Ronald Reagan and is considered one of the Republican Party's big brains. But this week Democrats and some Republicans seemed to also question if Bennett's mouth is of size as well.

Democrats expressed outrage, ranging from demands for an apology to requests that the Federal Communications Commission suspend Bennett's show.

Republicans, Democrats and all Americans of good will should denounce this statement, should distance themselves from Mr. Bennett, said Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr., D-Ill. And the private sector should not support Mr. Bennett's radio show or his comments on the air.

I'm not even going to comment on something that disgusting, said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. Really, I'm thinking of my black grandchild and I'm going to hold (off).


'Things That People Are Thinking'


In an interview with ABC News, Bennett said that anyone who knows him knows he isn't racist. He said he was merely extrapolating from the best-selling book Freakonomics, which posits the hypothesis that falling crimes rates are related to increased abortion rates decades ago. It would have worked for, you know, single-parent moms; it would have worked for male babies, black babies, Bennett said. So why immediately bring up race when discussing crime rates? There was a lot of discussion about race and crime in New Orleans, Bennett said. There was discussion – a lot of it wrong – but nevertheless, media jumping on stories about looting and shooting and gangs and roving gangs and so on.

There's no question this is on our minds, Bennett said. What I do on our show is talk about things that people are thinking … we don't hesitate to talk about things that are touchy.

Bennett said, I'm sorry if people are hurt, I really am. But we can't say this is an area of American life (and) public policy that we're not allowed to talk about – race and crime.

Robert George, an African-American, Republican editorial writer for the New York Post, agrees that Bennett's comments were not meant as racist. But he worries they feed into stereotypes of Republicans as insensitive. His overall point about not making broad sociological claims and so forth, that was a legitimate point, George said. But it seems to me someone with Bennett's intelligence … should know better the impact of his words and sort of thinking these things through before he speaks.

The blunt-spoken Bennett has ruffled feathers before, most recently in 2003 for revelations that despite his best-selling books about virtue and values, he is a high-rolling preferred customer at Las Vegas and Atlantic City casinos.

In light of accusations that the Bush administration should have been more sensitive to black victims of Hurricane Katrina, a Republican official told ABC News that Bennett's comments were probably as poorly timed as they were politically incorrect.

ABC News' Avery Miller, Karen Travers and Toni L. Wilson contributed to this report.



Exactly...well, they did manage to write and get passed...
one piece of legislation...the "reform" bill that was supposed to straighten out Fannie/Freddie...instead was the straw that broke the camel's back...forced them to offer those floating rate mortgages to low and moderate income people and the creditworthiness of said people was not to be an issue. The floating rates went UP, and a bazillion people went into foreclosure, and if the Bush admin had not stepped in and taken over, the economy could very well have collapsed. The "reform" bill, plus the crooked Dems at the top of Fannie/Freddie, just about did us in this time. Other than that piece of legislation, they have not done a blessed thing in the year they have been in charge. That is why their approval rating is in the tank.
He has already passed these tests. Get real. nm
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The Dems could've passed this last wk. sm

They had the votes before they started.  They hoped to use the Rs to help this disaster, who got shut out at the end of this thanks to Pelosi, who has no control over her caucus, anyway.  The drivebys won't report this.


Second, many Dems are scared ** about not getting elected again.  Other Dems waited until the very end of voting to cast their vote to play the game to win both ways.  Mine, for ex., is all for this mess, but has been saying how he'll vote it down.  That's b/c he's got a strong opponent and he can't afford something this risky.


Think of it this way.  You have surgery to repair your left leg and the doc cuts off your right one instead.  So you go back to the same doc who screwed it up to fix it.  That's exactly what you have here.  You wouldn't do this in your private life, so why would it be okay for those on The Hill to behave in the same way?


Their Oct. surprise failed (for now).


Just a few more votes on their part would have passed it. nm
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Kentucky just passed a 6% tax on liquor and
raised tax on cigarettes another 30 cents on a pack.
Another new bill passed today. sm
Link below. Comments about the earmarks in the article.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090225/ap_on_go_co/congress_spending
time is passed for placing blame
It is time to stop placing blame and time to start looking for the solutions. The finger pointing is not constructive. No one is going to agree on it and it is not going to change. It is time for constructive efforts NOW.
So...how's "cap & trade" like the House just passed

Here's an eye-opening article:


http://www.aim.org/don-irvine-blog/cap-and-trade-woes-in-europe/


The House just passed the bill??? No wonder the earth was shaking, that was the new crator...sm
the country is falling into! 
That's why most of the states are red. sm
The majority are just blind sheep and ignorant of facts. And that's why Fox News, the so-called conservative channel, is #1.  People are just so stoopid, especially those big dummies, the conservatives. That's why they keep getting elected.  It's just that the majority of Americans are too dumb to know any better. 
You are right, when someone states that
about "hating me since 1996" one does question. But there is information in there that can be factualized. For example, leaving a small town of 5000-6000 people 20 mil. in debt is something that can be verified (I have also read that elsewhere) and that does not seem very conservative to me.

Just because information comes from a blog (though this 1 did not), does not mean it has some facts in it. And no, I don't mean the blog of kos or the way right website of audacity of hope.
I bet she knows how many states we have though!!!
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Do you know what states?
I can guarantee mine isn't included. He's blasting all over the state how much money we are getting and what it's for, then turns around and states what HE's going to spend it on, which doesn't include anything that is in the stimulus plan.
which states
Can anyone tell me which states those are?
Dear Red States
Dear Red States...
 
We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're
 taking the other Blue States with us.  In case you aren't aware, that
 includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan,
 Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to
 the nation, and  especially to the people of the new country of New
 California.
 
 To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get
 stem cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken
 Lay.  We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood. We get Intel and
 Microsoft. You get WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.   We get 85
  percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama.
 
 We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay
 their fair share.  Since our  aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower
than  the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a
bunch  of single moms.
 
 Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and
 we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need
 people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently
 willing to send to their death for no purpose, and they don't care if you
 don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you
 success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to
 spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.
 
 With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of
the  country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and
lettuce,
 
 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality
 wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 percent of all
 cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur
 coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven
 Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.
 
 With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88
 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92
 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90
 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually
 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University,
 Clemson and the University of Georgia.
 
 We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
 
 Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was
 actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless
 we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that
 evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and
 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals
 then we lefties.
 
 By the way, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed
they  grow in Mexico.
 
 
 Sincerely,

 Author Unknown in New California.


Probably will return to the states
As Lilly posted, the decision of termination will probably eventually  return to the states..Interesting times we are living in..