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time is passed for placing blame

Posted By: cj on 2008-09-30
In Reply to: wrong...barney frank, chris dodd, and the - sam

It is time to stop placing blame and time to start looking for the solutions. The finger pointing is not constructive. No one is going to agree on it and it is not going to change. It is time for constructive efforts NOW.


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I was just ready to post on this same subject. I am not placing blame...sm
but it is very interesting.
I am placing who where?
Are you on drugs?
you are still placing faith in what you sm
have done and not the finished work of Christ on the cross. You are not your own "god" which is where you are placing yourself. If you have not accepted Jesus as your Savior you will be told "depart from me ye workers of iniquity, I never knew you."

The "christian religions" that have rejected the teachings of he** will also be held to account. Again its not about religion but about salvation which is contained in the Bible, the Holy, innerrent word of God.

I pray you reconsider.
Don't blame Obama for the coins...blame the Franklin Mint!
The Franklin Mint has an entire series of presidential coins that are tacky and cheap looking just like everything else they manufacture.
Let's blame Clinton...Let's blame Obama.
The FACT is that Bush BECAME prez on 01/20/01.  He was told by Clinton to beware!!  It was Bush's duty to know, to care what was going on.... the FACT is he didn't give a rat's patooty!!!  FACT is he was on vacation most of his first 7 months in office.  The FACT is he stared into space for 7 minutes after being told America was under attack while kindergarteners were reading "MY PET GOAT."  I am so sick of the LIES you people want to ram down my throat.  And when Obama takes office, God-willing, I am positive he will be under a microscope like NO president has ever been as there is a different standard set for him and never has a president-elect undergone so much criticisizm BEFORE taking office. 
Neither will be passed so they can say
whatever they want. Congress is going to be dangled a big carrot by insurance companies and nothing will change. We need a huge change in insurance practices, that would be a great start. Insurance companies are a joke now, not like they were when you actually had some coverage. We need to start doing something about the cost of healthcare - Does a doctor really need to charge me $100 for a 10-minute exam to tell me that I have a sinus infection. I told them that when I went in and just needed a Rx.

I am a bit jaded on this today as I have been dealing with some insurance/doctor crap lately. Regardless, healthcare costs and insurance practices need the overhaul.
Even if it had passed, it would have been...
voluntary. Bush was smart to at least give us the opportunity to take it away from Congress so they would freakin' STOP borrowing it!! I would much rather they coughed up the total I have put in so I could put it in a CD where Congress would keep its grubby paws off it! And incidentally it was courtesy a Dem controlled congress when the decision was first made to raid social security. But they were going to pay it back they said...yeah right. They chuckled into their armpits like Raines, Gorelick, Howard, and Johnson did when they walked away from Fannie Mae. They made out like bandits and WE are on the hook. Are you real proud of them? They did more harm to our economy that Bush ever THOUGHT about doing.

Yak, yak, yak indeed. If we weren't ALL on the hook I would say it served you Dems right.

It Passed 263 to 171 (nm)
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It already did - they passed it
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Only 11 more votes and it would have passed. nm
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But, the first bailout passed because
the dems had the majority of votes. Am I right or did I lose my mind? DON"T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, PLEASE. LOL
SCHIP Passed

11,000 million children will be covered.


The only problem is...they are raising the cigarette tax to $.61 a pack. According to Glenn Beck, we will need 21,000,000 NEW smokers to cover the program. Kinda ironic....use something that is unhealthy to give coverage to keep the kids healthy.


I don't know what they are thinking. I think the government has their heads in the sand.  Every time they tie a new program to smokers, more smokers quit. How are they ever going to cover all these children if another couple thousand people quit smoking?


I absolutely think this program will not work like they think and in a couple years, if not next year, they will be raising taxes on everyone because of the shortfall in the planned coverage.


Sheesh! How did these people ever complete college????? They have no sense.


It passed the Senate........... sm

Now it's on to the House-Senate negotioations.  I just hope we can stand this as a nation. 


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29119293/


Nothing has been passed except the budget. sm

The budget funds Volunteer America, and includes a provision to set up a commission to STUDY whether or not "mandatory volunteerism" should be established.  My prediction is that it won't happen.


Budget has NOT been passed yet....sm
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ny-stbudg0112604697mar31,0,2797230.story
He/she passed first lesson - lie.
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It's about to be passed people!!!

Democrats have apparently reached an agreement to move forward with a House vote on the huge cap-and-trade energy tax known as Waxman-Markey this week.


The monstrous bill has already grown from the 946-page version passed by the House Energy and Commerce Committee to an even-heftier 1201-page version released by House Democratic leadership last night.


And they aren't done yet. Negotiations continue between Pelosi and her ally, House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (both D-Calif.) on one side and House Agriculture Committee Chairman Collin Peterson (D-Minn.) on the other.



The apparent breakthrough, which paves the way for a floor vote on Friday or Saturday, is a big giveaway for rural electric co-ops -- a big Peterson priority. Peterson may also extract other big-ticket concessions before a vote happens on the House floor. And why not? What's a few billion dollars between friends when you have a multi-trillion-dollar energy tax hike to divvy up?


That's what's so outrageous about this whole process. Cap-and-trade imposes massive new hidden energy taxes on American consumers. The taxes are hidden in higher prices for gasoline, electricity, and every product in the economy that's grown, shipped, or manufactured. All the revenue, the last estimate from the Congressional Budget Office has the pot at $846 billion over just the first 8 years, so it will clearly be many trillions over the 38-year duration of the program goes into a big pot that politicians can use to buy off opposition and advance other big-government objectives.


Senator Barbara Boxer, the biggest Senate proponent of cap-and-trade and the one who will dole out the billions of dollars on the Senate side if the bill makes it through the House, candidly explained how this works a couple of weeks ago:


There's so much revenue that comes in from a cap-and-trade system that you can really go to a person in a congressional district and get enough votes there by saying, "What do you need? What do you want? You can really help them."


This disastrous bill, which will send energy prices skyrocketing while having no discernible impact on global average temperature will only get worse as even more special interests are bought off at the expense of taxpayers. It's a scam, an enormous tax-and-spend bill concealed in a cloak of green political correctness. The real purpose of the plan is to dramatically enhance the power of Washington politicians by giving them control over vast swaths of the U.S. economy.


Think of this as the death blow for our already teetering rule of law and free market economy. Just as we've seen politicians make arbitrary decisions in banking and the automobile industry, this new central planning of energy will let them exercise similar control over all aspects of the U.S. economy. This type of control, while perhaps well-intentioned, we saw in the 20th century inevitably fails and often leads to despotism.


The outcome in the House is still in doubt. House Blue Dog chairwoman Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-S.D.) said in an interview with Energy and Environment Daily last week that Blue Dogs will not vote for the bill if it's brought up this week. She said:


"Many will insist that we have a number of days to review the language ourselves, to have back and forth with our constituencies and stakeholder groups, to understand how the system with a significant manager's amendment will work. Yes, absolutely, we need to chew on this awhile."


Obviously, Nancy Pelosi is ignoring the concerns of the Blue Dogs, and of all the Democrats from Middle America whose constituents will be slammed with vastly higher energy prices under the plan. Constituents who don't share the smug self-satisfaction that coastal elites will enjoy, that warm, green feeling that's supposed to make it all worthwhile.


If these so-called moderate Democrats fall in line behind the radical leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Henry Waxman, if they vote for a cap-and-trade tax that President Obama famously said will cause energy prices to necessarily skyrocket, they will expose themselves as radical leftists and out of touch with their districts.


Every American who cares about affordable energy and economic freedom needs to contact his or her member of Congress before this vote and demand a no vote on cap-and-trade. The House switchboard is 202-225-3121 or you can use this form on the AFP web site. If they vote for this, they deserve the full political consequences.


Exactly...well, they did manage to write and get passed...
one piece of legislation...the "reform" bill that was supposed to straighten out Fannie/Freddie...instead was the straw that broke the camel's back...forced them to offer those floating rate mortgages to low and moderate income people and the creditworthiness of said people was not to be an issue. The floating rates went UP, and a bazillion people went into foreclosure, and if the Bush admin had not stepped in and taken over, the economy could very well have collapsed. The "reform" bill, plus the crooked Dems at the top of Fannie/Freddie, just about did us in this time. Other than that piece of legislation, they have not done a blessed thing in the year they have been in charge. That is why their approval rating is in the tank.
He has already passed these tests. Get real. nm
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The Dems could've passed this last wk. sm

They had the votes before they started.  They hoped to use the Rs to help this disaster, who got shut out at the end of this thanks to Pelosi, who has no control over her caucus, anyway.  The drivebys won't report this.


Second, many Dems are scared ** about not getting elected again.  Other Dems waited until the very end of voting to cast their vote to play the game to win both ways.  Mine, for ex., is all for this mess, but has been saying how he'll vote it down.  That's b/c he's got a strong opponent and he can't afford something this risky.


Think of it this way.  You have surgery to repair your left leg and the doc cuts off your right one instead.  So you go back to the same doc who screwed it up to fix it.  That's exactly what you have here.  You wouldn't do this in your private life, so why would it be okay for those on The Hill to behave in the same way?


Their Oct. surprise failed (for now).


Just a few more votes on their part would have passed it. nm
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Kentucky just passed a 6% tax on liquor and
raised tax on cigarettes another 30 cents on a pack.
Another new bill passed today. sm
Link below. Comments about the earmarks in the article.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090225/ap_on_go_co/congress_spending
So...how's "cap & trade" like the House just passed

Here's an eye-opening article:


http://www.aim.org/don-irvine-blog/cap-and-trade-woes-in-europe/


Some states have passed compassionate euthanasia already, Oregon. nm
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The House just passed the bill??? No wonder the earth was shaking, that was the new crator...sm
the country is falling into! 
States with pending/passed 10th Amendment Sovereignty resolutions. sm
These resolutions are important to prevent the Federal government from usurping State Sovereignty. This is a partial list as other states are jumping on board the last few months. Colorado is one and New Hampshire just failed to get one passed thanks to partisan problems.

To read one of the resolutions, here is a link to one from the state of Arizona:

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

2009: Arkansas - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

2009: Arizona - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment

1994: California - 10th Amendment

1995/96: Georgia - 10th Amendment

2009: Georgia - 10th Amendment

2009: Kansas - 10th Amendment

[NEW] 2009: Kentucky - 10th Amendment

1997/98: Louisiana - Sovereignty Constitutional Amendment

2009: Michigan - 10th Amendment

2009: Minnesota - 10th Amendment

2009: Missouri - Freedom of Choice Act (Abortion), 10th Amendment

2009: Montana - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, 2nd Amendment

2009: New Hampshire - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Federal Reserve, Taxes, Martial Law, 2nd Amendment, Draft/War, Patriot Act, Labor Camps, 1st Amendment

2008: Oklahoma - 10th Amendment, (Other Legislation: No Child Left Behind, Real ID Act)

2009: Oklahoma - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

2009: South Carolina - 9th Amendment, 10 Amendment, Martial Law and Related, 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment

2009: Tennessee - 10th Amendment

2009: Texas - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

1995: Utah [Number: HJR003, Session: 1995] - 10th Amendment

2009: Utah - Real ID Act

2009: Washington - 10th Amendment
Yep, but it was straight time. No time and a half
DHL is GERMAN OWNED.  And, company was located on Snotsdale, I mean Scottsdale, AZ which means.  Labor laws in Arizona suck.  Right to work state.  Basically a company can do whatever they want to do with you and if you do not like it, then quit and find another job.
blame
September 1, 2005
Conservatives Helped This Happen
by Dan Pashman, Senior Producer,  Morning Sedition


As terrible as it is, this attack could be miniscule if,  in fact, God
continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies  of  America  to
give us probably what we deserve. The ACLU's got to take a lot  of the
blame for this…The abortionists have got to bear some of the burden for
this because God will not be mocked…I really believe that  the pagans,
and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays  and the
lesbians…all of them who have tried to secularize America,  I point the
finger in their face and say, 'you helped this happen.'
  - Rev. Jerry Falwell, September 13, 2001

Who can forget Jerry Falwell's infamous post-9/11 indictment of
America?  'You helped this happen,' Falwell said to the majority of
Americans,  who disagree with him on a majority of issues.

Now, a conservative group called Columbia Christians for Life has
proclaimed that Hurricane Katrina was another one of God's punishments,
  citing as evidence the supposed resemblance between the hurricane's 
image on a weather map, and a fetus.

Trying to refute such claims from these zealots is truly an exercise in
futility. But searching for explanations after a disaster of Katrina's 
magnitude is not. And if you do in fact search for those explanations, 
you'll reach an unavoidable conclusion:

Hurricane Katrina may have been an act of God. But the level of death 
and destruction it caused was not. That was an act of conservatism.

It is conservative policies that made this natural disaster unnaturally
  catastrophic. I say to conservatives, you have blood on your hands 
today. I point the finger in your face and say, You helped this
happen.

Conservative policies have led to an increase in poverty across the
nation, especially in New Orleans, one of the poorest major cities  in
America. About 150,000 people in New Orleans lived below the poverty 
line before Katrina, 100,000 of them in abject poverty, making less 
than $8,000 a year. Their poverty left them with nowhere to go, and  no
means of escape, as the hurricane bore down on their homes.

Conservative policies have led to more global warming, which scientists
  agree has already begun producing more intense hurricanes and storms. 
Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, a former Republican Party Chairman 
and longtime GOP operative, has seen his own state ravaged by Katrina. 
But he was vital in helping to convince the Bush administration to 
squash the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, and pushed Bush to go 
back on his campaign promise to regulate carbon dioxide. Governor
Barbour  would dare express grief over the deaths that he himself
enabled.

Conservative policies have led to a war in Iraq based on lies, and tax
cuts for the rich, both of which, we know for a fact, took money
directly away from vital hurricane preparedness work in New Orleans. 
On nine occasions in 2004 and 2005, The New Orleans Times-Picayune
specifically  cited the cost of the Iraq War as a reason for the
shortfall in hurricane-  and flood-control funds. The levees that gave
way under  Katrina's pressure were supposed to be upgraded with money
that ended  up in Halliburton’s coffers.

Conservative policies have also led to the National Guard's misuse and
abuse, leaving the Gulf Coast without the personnel and equipment 
vital to a recovery effort of this magnitude. More people will die  on
the Gulf Coast as they await their would-be saviors, who are in  Iraq,
victims themselves of conservative policies.

There can be no doubt that while Hurricane Katrina was not preventable,
  much of the death and destruction left in its wake was. I say to
conservatives,  you have blood on your hands today. I point the finger
in your face  and say, You helped this happen.

Blame must go somewhere.
So you put it solely on the poor themselves? More people in this country are slipping into poverty every day - whole families of them, fathers included. That was a good thoughtful post and I thank you for writing it but hope you will take a moment to consider another side.

While throwing money at a problem is not guaranteed to fix it, one thing is for sure - throwing billions to the already obscenely rich is sure as heck not going to fix the root cause of any social disorder.

If we want to really get to the root cause of poverty in our society (which I agree is a good idea) we must not exclude the role that capitalism itself plays in not only producing a permanently disadvantaged underclass, but also in keeping it that way. A fair and impartial look at our laws and operating procedures is enough to convince anyone that things are just the way the movers and shakers want them to be. And, you are correct that only the very most motivated and exceptionally gifted will make it out of the morass. That's also the way it's supposed to be, father or no father. Social Darwinism - the cream rises.

Trouble is, we can't all be the cream. It's unreasonable to expect that of everyone. But this is the society that free market capitalism builds. It's going to get worse, too. The next step is a bonding of purpose between the corporate oligarchy and the government itself, and the next step after that is a military police state run by those who consider themselves the cream - in other words, just another banana republic, the very antithesis of what America should be.

Now I don't know about you but I don't think this is the direction America should take and I don't think for a minute it's the result of poor kids having no fathers. That may leave them more vulnerable and more easily manipulated, but it's hardly on their backs. Everyone who's not the cream is victimized in the kind of society that values money and power above everything else.

Right now there are billions upon billions of dollars being handed over not to the poor but to that handful of defense corporations powerful enough to rub elbows with Bush and his cronies. That is where America's money is going and that's where it's going to continue to go as long as we support a government that delights in making itself and its friends wealthy at the expense of everyone else in America.


You know what and who is to blame, don't you?
Deregulation schemes ala John McCain, George Bush, and the Republican Party.

Doesn't that make you and your husband the least bit interested in trying to help change this dire economic situation by changing parties?

If McCain is elected, there is no doubt in my mind that this country will see another great depression, possibly worse than the one that began in 1929.

Heaven help us all!
Yes....who's to blame....sm
The liberal democrats in congress, lining their pockets with kickbacks from all the big financial institutions, and looking the other way, forcing the banks to take the no doc loans.

Obama and Biden taking bribes, and lining their pockets, and Bill Clinton sending all his old cronies to run FM/FM, with absolutely no financial background, to run it into the ground.

Pres. Bush had actually tried to help this situation a few years back, and guess what? Harry Reid and other dems blocked his attempts.

They now completely blame George Bush. Granted, perhaps some of the blame could lay with him, because he should have been powerful enough to get something like this done.

But he made a fatal error. He tried to reach across the aisle, and put dems in charge of certain committes, and such, and all they did was stab him in the back, and make him ineffectual. So much for the dems reaching across the aisle. Their sole purpose for the past two years has been in making Bush look bad. No one can deny it.

So look to your own party. It ain't pretty.
blame
I havent blamed Obama.  I agree the McC camp has stirred up the heat a bit with the socialism, marxists and terrorists comments.  However, I feel that Obama is responsible for his supporters to a point and being that he is very influential over his following, he should be speaking out about peace and trying to let people know that racial bad behavior of any kind is not condoned. 
There's nothing to blame him for
HE is the one that has had his life threatened.  If anything, the McCain camp should be speaking out against this.  I agree with Keith Olberman.  McCain should have come out immediately against that volunteer of his with her bogus accusations of being attacked by a big black man.  Give me a break!  He has done nothing but put these fears into people that don't know any better, and I do hold him responsible for a lot of this.  In my eyes, he is nothing but evil.
So you are going to blame....
this whole thing on a man who hasn't even been sworn in yet?  May I borrow your crystal ball?
I believe that the blame goes

to both government and the automakers.  For them to pay skilled trades a buttload of money and allow them to sit and do nothing and then retire at age 50 and live off of GM isn't right.  That is GM's fault for allowing that happen.  As for making big trucks and SUVs....it was what the people wanted at that time.  That really wasn't a huge concern until gas prices started to skyrocket.  They were making what they thought people wanted.  They couldn't predict that gas would skyrocket like it did and the economy would collapse like it has.


and some of the blame goes to...
us. the American people, those who did not support industry in the US. rush out and buy those foreign cars. it may be cheaper in the short term but in the long run....no way, it will kill us all. Can't see the forest through the trees. Geez louise. Complain about losing jobs in the US and jobs from US going overseas and then buy foreign products instead of American made and what do you expect. Do you realize the far-reaching implications of the auto industry going bust???? All the suppliers affected. And all the money that would be earned by the by those millions of people who will now be earning, and thus spending, nothing. That is all money that would be supporting every other business. you can put blame anywhere you want but we all deserve some of it for destroying our own economy.
Then how can you sit and try to blame
on President Bush? You have tuned him out and ignored him since 2000, you never tried to give him a chance. Luckily, you were not in one of those towers or on one of those airplanes on 9/11. Whether you like it or not, you are still safe, so far, from those terrorists.

I will not be answering any snide, disrespectful comebacks about our president. No matter what has happened, he has earned our respect. I personally am thankful to have had a man who never had a problem over whether or not to say *so help me God.*
Can you blame her?
Who knows where those lips have been? LOL!
We cannot blame everything

on the past 8 years.  Granted, the past 8 years weren't the greatest and some major mistakes were made, but there were some things that were going on during prior presidencies that lead to this.  The problem was that no one stopped it once it got started and it just snowballed.  Now we have Obama in the office and we are still snowballing.  If you want to place blame, you need to go back further than Bush and include some others as well.  Now it is Obama's turn and we need to keep our eye on him because he continues to spend spend spend!!!!!  Yeah....that worked out so well in the past 8 years huh......


Well, of course you do, because it's something else to blame Bush for. nm

Bush really is to blame for everything

including natural disasters and including the fact that people built a city below sea level with water on all sides and was told that anything over a Cat 3 storm would wipe out the city.  The city failed in adequately planning to evacuate the people in case of such an emergency.   While I'm absolutely heartbroken to what is happening to people there, especially those who couldn't evacuate themselves the city has been told this would happen for years.  Even if Bush had not cut some funds to the area adequate plans would have still not been in place.  Everyone has said at one time or another that New Orleans was a disaster waiting for a Cat 4 or higher storm to happen.  You can pin this on Bush like you do everything else that happens in this world, but Bush is hardly to blame for the devastation.  Finger pointing does no good at this point.  We all must dig deep and do what we can do for those in New Orleans.  Arguing the political aspects of this disaster will not hydrate one dehydrated baby or feed one hungry person or build one adequate shelter.  


My advice to everyone is to step away from your computer, go buy some non-perishable items and get it to a relief point tomorrow.


dont blame me
Once again surmising about someone on a teeny weeny board.  I would never do that, LOL.  I would hope you are all good people with a different ideology, that is all, and hopefully one day we could understand each other a bit..but once again, attacking, on the liberal board no less.  Please dont attack the messenger, figure out why it all happened and make sure those responsible are held to task.  That is what Im trying to do, get the facts of it all.  If the things I am posting seem to all be attacking Bush, these are articles in the last few days papers, many papers.  They are the ones questioning what the heck is happening down on the gulf and, in turn, so am I.  You dont know anything about me and what I do to help others..Politicizing a tragedy?  No.  Looking at why it happened and what America could have done to have made it not so bad, yes.  That is something our govt has to do.  Who is at fault.  Not for the hurricane, of course, but the levees collapsing, the aid not getting to the unfortunate ones, the money that should have been given to New Orleans but went to war instead, even though Bush was still giving out tax breaks to *his class of people*, the super rich.
Blame the victims
So...lets just blame the victims, the ones who live in New Orleans..OMG..Put the blame where it belongs, on the federal govt for cutting funds to shore up the levees..and who was in control at that time.....BUSH..he needed the money for the rich peoples tax cuts and the insane war.
You should have stopped at *I blame.* sm
Figures that someone giving a pep talk would turn you off.  Might take the edge off that HATRED and RAGE.  You are beginning to look more and more like the crowds who are looting, raping and shooting, out of control, full of a sense of entitlement and more than a little full of hysterical rage. 
All you can do is the blame game. Then you better
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If they don't like the message, they blame the
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If you want to blame someone for your 401K,
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Well of course they will......you think they gonna blame
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You can blame those that tried to live beyond their
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This is where I blame ACORN

I think registered voters should have to prove their knowledge on the matters at hand prior to voting.  Just a 5 or 10-question test to make sure they know their candidate's policies. 


Do we really want our "welfare" society to determine our next President?  That's what ACORN is making sure will happen.