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Think gain.... Soviet Union went waaaay past

Posted By: socialism.............. NM on 2009-06-16
In Reply to: He has all the building blocks of socialism in place... - watcher

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Declassified Soviet archives reveal how the Democratic Senator betrayed Russian dissidents.
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what he has to gain?
Oh come on. Now, if you want to live in dreamland, that's your business and you can pretend all you want, but if you think Obama ain't looking for ALL the black votes to come his way, you're lying. What he has to gain? The presidency....did you forget what he was running for?

He plants himself in little black communities, i.e., Selma,AL, where he thinks he'll make a big speech and enlighten all those dumb folks who they should vote for. His patronizing little stabs he tries to make. Heard his entire little speech and talked with the blacks in my neighborhood who went there. They were disgusted when they left. At least they knew when they were being spoken down to. How he went on and on about the march being the reason his mom and dad got together, blah, blah, blah, pandering to the crowd. He forgot most in the crowd actually knew about the march, unlike him, who was born BEFORE the march, so in essence, his birth had nothing to do with the march as he so eloquently tried to get them to believe.

Everybody there was not fooled by his race baiting.
Now, unless you were there or know someone that was, YOU have no logical argument.
DOW up over 900 points....biggest gain
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What can he possibly hope to gain by
showcasing his own hypocrisy? This will not be the last time we will see obstructive partisan tactics from sore losers whose eyes stay trained on the next election cycle. These types strive to undermine any progress that can be made on behalf of the voters to further their own self-serving interests.

If there is no provision in election protocol to account for this specific circumstance, then the logical step would be to create one for next time, not to filibuster in an attempt to strip Minnesota voters of representation for some undetermined period of time. This is probably not the best of strategies for a party who lost 7 (and probably 8) senate seats, and will be sitting with 58 or 59 dems and 2 independents who have tendencies to lean toward the dems.

Being from Texas, I can tell you that sucking up will not come easy for John Cornyn, but I say let him show his true colors. He'll ultimately end up cutting off his nose to spite his own face.
How is she using her religion to gain power and money?
Can you show me facts on that one? Standing up for what you believe in and letting it guide your decisions is not using it to gain power or money. I don't know why people think that someone can check their faith at the door. It's not like taking off your coat. It is ingrained in you. It is something you will base all your decisions, big and small, off of. Since when are good morals a bad thing?

So you think she should just sit at home and knit shirts and keep her pretty little mouth shut? That is completely unfair. We need more strong women in this country. I'm sorry that you had those experiences with women, but you can't lump all strong women into the same boat.




Whatever traction McC hope to gain from the "gaffe",
That Biden story made it through a news cycle or two, but it seems to be gone with the wind after Palin flunked her test.
When racism fails to gain political traction, switch to
We can see just how well that's working for the camp.
if you had a union....
you would have no job at all because they would have convinced you all to strike, MQ would have said "too bad for you," and you would now be unemployed. that is what unions do.
Yes, I would. These union members...
need to realize that the free ride and good ol' days are over. The days of high wages, job banks, and guaranteed employment have ended. No wonder Toyota, Honda and the like do so well as compared to their American counterparts.
What about the union busters?
We all know who they are. This was totally predictable. Start at the bottom when assigning blame and put the onus on the ones who turn the wheels of the factories and earn the LEAST, then expect them to sacrifice the most and carry the weight of the management and CEOs who earn anywhere from 10 to 100 times more than they do.

Watch them start whining if they decide to use TARP funds, thus depriving the banks of all those funds they have been hoarding, forcing workers to stage round-the-clock sit-ins just to get paid.
My husband is union....
He works for a trucking firm and told me this morning the union was talking about them taking a 10% cut in pay. The difference between him (or maybe his company?) is that he thinks no problem- his pay is good as it is and if it keeps the company going, why not? I think the car industry might think the same. Did they not say no cuts in pay??
Union Workers

How does your husband feel about voting out in the open; no more secret ballots?  That's quite audacious!


Todd Palin is a card-carrying union guy, too.


 


And why did the union workers
walk off the job?  That's right.  For better benefits, health care, retirement and working conditions which ALSO benefited non-union workers, even those scabs who went in and did the jobs.  Thanks to Ronald Reagan, the Great (NOT!) the unions have lost their teeth in the ability to even strike and thus to bargain.  Ole Ronnie got employers the "right to permanently replace workers."   Read up on the history of unions.  Ever watch the movie "Jimmy Hoffa?"  Yes he made deals with criminals i.e. the mafia but he did much to help workers too.  Ultimately he paid with his life.  Union/non-union is sort of like arguing democrat/republican.  Those for/against don't want to hear any side other than their own.
Right and we don't have a union to stand up for us either. n/m
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Are you SERIOUS? Here's what the European Union
The EU is a political and economic union of 27 members states, located primarily in Europe, composed of almost 500 million citizens (as compared to 710 million on the total continent of Europe), or 7.3% of the world's total population. The EU generates 30% of the wold's nominal gross domestic product ($16.8 trillion in 2007). There are 23 official and working languages. It is 100% SECULAR in nature

Criteria for membership:
1. Stable democracy which respects human rights and rule of law.
2. Functioning market economy capable of competition within the EU.
3. Acceptance of obligations of membership (EU law).

EU member countries:
1. Austria
2. Belguim
3. Bulgaria
4. Cyprus
5. Czech Rebpulic
6. Denmark
7. Estonia
8. Finland
9. France
10. Germany
11. Greece
12. Hungary
13. Republic of Ireland
14. Italy
15. Latvia
16. Lithuania
17. Luxembourg
18. Malta
19. Netherlands
20. Poland
21. Portugal
22. Romania
23. Slovakia
24. Slovenia
25. Spain
26. Sweden
27. United Kingdom

Three official candidate countries are Croatia, the Republic of Macedonia and Turkey. Western Balkan countries of Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro and Serbia are officially recognized potential candidates. Kosovo has been granted similar status.

Areas of common shared interests:
1. Governance of institutions, legal system and fundamental rights.
2. Foreign relations including humanitarian aid, military and defense.
3. Justice and home affairs.
4. Economy, consisting of single market, monetary union, competition and budget.
5. Development of agriculture, energy, infrastructure, regional development, environment, education and research.

For more information on its history and details of the above:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union

The union was also very strong until

the economy started really going under after 9/11.  At GM, if you were "laid off" you still received 95% of your pay.  They would get the regular unemployment benefits and GM would supplement the rest.  This was in their contract, which to me is GMs fault, not the employee. 


If it was a permanent layoff, then you went to the job banks, where you would sit for 40 hours a week, receive full pay and schooling if you wanted it.  They only allowed so many people in the job banks, but it was numbering in the thousands at one point.  These people also had the option of volunteering in the community instead of just sitting there.  I know 3 that went on to get their degrees in other lines of work and about 10 that waited there until retirement.


This was set up in the 70s when the first massive layoff hit.  This guaranteed that GM would hire back the employees that were laid off instead of hiring people off the streets.  Another union thing. 


I think Amanda is right from below.  They made a lot of money over time and now that things are bad again, they didn't plan ahead and budget their money.  No one is going to bail me out, pay my mortgage, feed my family, electric bill, etc.  I know that having them go down is going to hurt many people and that is not what I want, but the bailouts that have already happened have not shown the execs to be responsible in any way.  My father will be one of those losing their health benefits as well and he has medical conditions too as well as my mom.  My husband works for one of their suppliers so we are affected as well.  My husband busts his rear day in and day out for $17 an hour with no benefits.  Overtime is not allowed.  I guess I just want them to show responsibility.


No. I just wish we could get some union control
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AAMT is not a workers' union.
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it doesn't take a union to get a pay raise
puhleez lighten up. I do not and will not support unions. At first unions were good. then they got too large and too powerful, corrupt and greedy, and unions were no longer a good thing. They stopped working for the people they were supposed to represent and started working for the benefit of the union itself. My father worked for a company where he had to be in the union. That union wanted more and more of the company (as they always did). Even though many, many of the employees voted against strike, some people did, and the union declared the strike and people walked off their jobs. My dad wanted to work; he was physically assaulted and our car destroyed when he tried to work. Don't call my father a "scab." He was a fine man raising three kids and wanting to work at his own job, which he loved and was proud of. Period. The strike lasted a long time, and the company finally closed its doors when the union would not concede to anything. All of the employees lost their jobs whether they were union supporters or not because of the actions of that union. Now that's why I don't like unions and never will. There used to be a large manufacturing sector here in the midwest. Unions destroyed much of it. They just keep demanding more and more, and many companies simply closed, thus placing 1000s on unemployment. And do you honestly think corruption in the union is okay as long as "he also benefitted American workers?" I never belonged to a union as an MT for 30'some years, and do you think I never got a raise? The hospitals and companies I worked for always paid well and we didn't need a union to do it for us. Actually, I think fear of unions was one of the reasons why. But let's not forget this, union membership is often mandatory so people who work for the organization are forced to be members whether they want to or not. That right there is just wrong. People outside of the union are denied the right to work in many areas. So don't tell me what to "b**ch about." The two items are no mutually inclusive. One can say that their pay has fallen behind and still not want a union involved. Have a little respect for opinions other than yours.

The Real State of the Union sm
http://www.rstu.org/index.php/about/
union people will still get paid for doing nothing.

NORTH AMERICAN UNION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA
marriage vs civil union

As a nation, we did not used to spend so much time splitting hairs over words.


What if back when the 19th amendment was enacted, they had said:  Women having the right to 'vote' would upset men.   So instead of 'voting' we're going to call it 'ballot casting.'  That way, women can have the same rights as men, but only men can be 'voters' and won't feel they're losing their special status. 


How about if during the civil rights movement, when segregation was eliminated, instead of integration they had called it:  'The right to attend the same schools and go to the same restaurants and ride in the front of the bus'?  Calling institutions 'integrated' would upset the southern states. 


How about when women began to demand 'equal pay for equal work'?  What if they had said:  Okay, you can have the money and the responsibility, maybe even the corner office, but only a man can be called VP of Sales.  Instead, your title will have to be something else, maybe Sales Coordinator, othewise the men who are VPs will get angry. 


I suppose a fair number of women or blacks would have considered this a win, because they were gaining the benefit, if not the exact status of the changes.  But a fair number of folks rightly would have said:  Huh?  Aren't these silly distinctions?  A lot of people would have wondered why they didn't just shut up and 'settle.'  


If a civil union conveys such benefits as inheritance rights, parental rights, credit rights, insurance rights, the right to make medical decisions for a spouse then, really, what's in a name?


 


Civil union rights.
"If a civil union conveys such benefits as inheritance rights, parental rights, credit rights, insurance rights, the right to make medical decisions for a spouse then, really, what's in a name?"

I understand your point.

But why, then, is so important for same-sex couples to use the word "marriage" if - as you pointed out - it's just a word.

Why aren't people fighting to have all the rights of marriage applied to civil unions? Seems to me that, while most Americans are against gay marriage, most Americans are actually FOR civil unions.


Marriage is supposed to be a sacred union

but unfortunately many see it as a temporary situation.  Some people honestly cannot help their marriages dissolve, however, even if you throw the religion aspect out of it homosexuality doesn't even make sense in Darwin's theory.  Homosexuals would naturally die out, because they aren't procreating.


I've not had children either, but just because I haven't and you haven't doesn't make a case for homosexual marriages.


Misstatement of the Union - Fact Check

The President burnishes the State of the Union through selective facts and strategic omissions.


February 1, 2006


Modified: February 1, 2006


The President left out a few things when surveying the State of the Union:




  • He proudly spoke of writing a new chapter in the story of self-government in Iraq and Afghanistan and said the number of democracies in the world is growing. He failed to mention that neither Iraq nor Afghanistan yet qualify as democracies according to the very group whose statistics he cited.


  • Bush called for Congress to pass a line-item veto, failing to mention that the Supreme Court struck down a line-item veto as unconstitutional in 1998. Bills now in Congress would propose a Constitutional amendment, but none have shown signs of life.



  • The President said the economy gained 4.6 million jobs in the past two-and-a-half years, failing to note that it had lost 2.6 million jobs in his first two-and-a-half years in office. The net gain since Bush took office is just a little more than 2 million.



  • He talked of cutting spending, but only non-security discretionary spending. Actually, total federal spending has increased 42 percent since Bush took office.


  • He spoke of being on track to cut the federal deficit in half by 2009. But the deficit is increasing this year, and according to the Congressional Budget Office it will decline by considerably less than half even if Bush's tax cuts are allowed to lapse.



  • Bush spoke of a goal of cutting dependence on Middle Eastern oil, failing to mention that US dependence on imported oil and petroleum products increased substantially during his first five years in office, reaching 60 per cent of consumption last year.


Analysis



We found nothing that was factually incorrect in the President's Jan. 31 State of the Union address to Congress and the nation. However, we did note some selective use of statistics. We also found that Bush omitted some relevant facts that tended to make the state of the union look less rosy than he presented.


it was 1973, Union Square Park in NYC..

as were all these Pro-Lifers kept back behind Bob's Barricade wooden horses....I was there, hundreds were there on 14th Street that day prior to Roe vs Wade being passed....


I was very young....and I remember having this thought....If they are SOOOO interested in what is going on in my and other's uteruses/uteri....why do they NOT take some responsibility for the orphaned/fostered/forgotten children left in this country?  Again, I had that thought in 1973....and 35 years have passed and I STILL have the same thought.......my politics never changed......I am that same person I was then, only more mature, somewhat wiser, and very thankful....and I HAVE taken responsibility for MANY children in this country as I adore children....always have...


wonder just how many prolifers have adopted or fostered children left in fostercare/orphanages in this country.....over the same 35-40 year time frame......


that's not to them, they are entitled to feel what they feel...even though I just reread my post and it could be interpreted that way (and sorry for that) -


just get out of our bodies......our bodies, ourselves....(and Our Bodies, Ourselves is a book read way back then too)...and try to think about kids already here, abandoned or given up with no mentoring.....there are thousands of them in the USA.


Peace to all.....


the folly is in giving all the power to a union...
The union may not be a thing of the past but their concern for the average worker is and their usefulness is. Now they are greedy and selfish entities in and of themselves.
By all means give the union workers a pay cut S/M

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/ocwage_05092008.htm 


Going way down the page you will find the median pay for medical transcriptionists is approximately $15.02 per hour.  This being the case, if you are one of those fortunate enough to be making $20 or more per hour, I assume you will be recommending a pay cut for yourself and all others who are making more than the median in order to bring pay more in line with other workers.  Translated that means leaving more in the coffers for the big CEOs.  I don't know whether some of you are BDD or what.


Right. A friend of mine belonged to a union recently.
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GOP alert memo states intent to bust the union

With 3 million jobs hanging in the balance.


Countdown has obtained a memo entitled "Action Alert - Auto Bailout," and sent Wednesday at 9:12am, to Senate Republicans. The names of the sender(s) and recipient(s) have been redacted in the copy Countdown obtained. The Los Angeles Times reported that it was circulated among Senate Republicans. The brief memo outlines internal political strategy on the bailout, including the view that defeating the bailout represents a "first shot against organized labor." Senate Republicans blocked passage of the bailout late Thursday night, over its insistence on an immediate union pay cut. See the entire memo after the jump.


Subject: Action Alert -- Auto Bailout


Today at noon, Senators Ensign, Shelby, Coburn and DeMint will hold a press conference in the Senate Radio/TV Gallery.  They would appreciate our support through messaging and attending the press conference, if possible.  The message they want us to deliver is:


1.       This is the democrats first opportunity to payoff organized labor after the election.  This is a precursor to card check and other items.  Republicans should stand firm and take their first shot against organized labor, instead of taking their first blow from it.


2.       This rush to judgment is the same thing that happened with the TARP.  Members did not have an opportunity to read or digest the legislation and therefore could not understand the consequences of it.  We should not rush to pass this because Detroit says the sky is falling.


The sooner you can have press releases and documents like this in the hands of members and the press, the better.  Please contact me if you need additional information.  Again, the hardest thing for the democrats to do is get 60 votes.  If we can hold the Republicans, we can beat this.


http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/12/12/1713569.aspx


They certainly have in the past. sm
but their headline didn't intentionally mislead like the one posted above. Oh, let's face it, the media is just not what it used to be.  I don't trust them at all.
from the past
I am so-o-o sick of the party bickering, finger pointing and verbal barbs blaming the other guy, I am remembering a line from my past "Alfred E. Newman for president." Back then it was a joke but it is starting to sound good again!
That's because most do not look at his past tax
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You mean once we look past the
seas of humanity jumping for joy on November 4th, the rafters-busting crowds that are descending on DC for the inauguration and the hordes in the global bleachers cheering him on? Four years is sufficient time to build a slam dunk of a track record but in the absence of worthy GOP opponents, all he has to do is stay alive between now and then to get re-elected. Personally, I hope that they put SP, Hasselbach and/or Coulter up there, the dream team of certain defeat. Sure doesn't look like they have much more than that to offer at the moment.
Yes, definitely ignore the past if it does not...
fit your agenda. It clouds nothing. Somehow I cannot see you blasting JFK for Viet Nam. Just cannot see that happening...though you swear you would. You just can't bring yourself to be disguated about something that is not happening NOW? Wanna talk about Carter and Iran? Oh no, we can't do that, that was in the PAST.

Well hang in there piglet...as soon as Congress pulls funding, the troops are brought home because of it, Viet Nam revisited, the horror that will become Iraq when that happens making NOW look like a walk in the park...you will be able to ignore THAT as the past also.

Must be nice.
There is nothing in McCain's past...
of radical leftwing socialist politics. Nor does he think there should be absolutely no restrictions on abortion, up to and including allowing babies who survive abortion to be left to die. Tell me...how do you reconcile your Christian principles with that? Do you think the Jesus you know would condone that? For ANY reason?
we have now gone way past rude..
to downright disgusting. It probably also take a MENSA brain to call someone else pathetic, little, loser because they don't think the same as you. Give it a rest already people.
No, I was responding to the past above yours, sorry,
did I get it wrong? yikes - I meant that for the 'first of all' post...
I have felt in the past...
that I was being attacked for saying something that was never really meant to be offensive. I feel that we should all be able to act like adults and refrain from personally attacking anyone. I just thought that the response was unnecessarily nasty. I hope you have a great evening! I hope the other person does, as well.
I think JM was up past his bedtime.

Past and future
Stop dwelling in the PAST.
Look into the FUTURE.
The last past 8 years did not work for anybody.
What we need is change. REAL change.
Summon it up, we do not need
your pagelong lectures. Who has time for this?
The election is tomorrow, thanks God.
Go, Obama!
Can't live in the past - have to look to

The PAST says a lot about what you are today.
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past that point
http://www.youtube.com/user/visionvictory



It's not the past administration?
What color are your eyes? Brown? Thought so.
They can't see past anything..... easily led!
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But you don't do that. You only discuss the democratic past.

In order to smear it.


No talk about the 12 prior years of Reagan and Bush.


U.S. and past civilian deaths

U.S. and British forces bombed Dresden, Germany with the death of approximately 225,000 civilians, and it was intended as a purely civilian bombing. 


From a history publication (with references to LeMay also made by Robert McNamara in The Fog of War):


When news concerning the bombing of Dresden got out, it led to an uproar that had to be quieted by cynical denials that this was U.S. or British policy. But it was, and it continued, now against Japan. In March 1945, more than 100,000 Japanese were killed in a firebombing raid on Tokyo as “canals boiled, metal melted, and buildings and human beings burst spontaneously into flames” (John Dower, War Without Mercy: Race & Power in the Pacific War [Pantheon Books, 1986]). By August 1945, 58 Japanese cities had been firebombed and the bomber commander, General Curtis LeMay, had to curtail his raids because he had run out of incendiary bombs. After the war, Le May remarked “I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.” Instead he was promoted, eventually heading the Strategic Air Command, where he advocated a pre-emptive nuclear “first strike” against the Soviets. During the Vietnam War, Le May notoriously called to “bomb them [the North Vietnamese] back into the Stone Age.”


It is nice to look to the future and not the past.
You are quite wrong about my stance on Vietnam. Don't make the presumption that you know me at all.

One thing that I do know is that you cannot change the past. You want to bog yourself down with useless information knock yourself out. Our government tends to not pay attention to those details of the past in the way they operate today. If they did, Bush would have never invaded Iraq. Perhaps you are making your speeches to the wrong audience? You will never convince a liberal that war is just.

As I have stated before, I am strictly anti-war, no matter who, what, where, and why. War does nothing but fund hate and line pockets of men who profit from them and kills the innocent as an after thought, and it's excused because, hey, that's war isn't it?

The longer our troops stay in Iraq, the more hate it is going to foster. This military pseudo occupation has to stop and the humanitarian effort needs to start, period.

Or better yet, why don't you go there and explain to the Iraqi people and our military men and women who are doing their fourth or fifth tour and tell them why they are still there. There's your audience, try and convince them.


Umm...2003...isn't that the PAST, piglet....
I thought you were interested in NOW. :-)