This country is in such trouble.
Posted By: Chele on 2008-09-20
In Reply to: Obama's definition of rich - New Englander
I will not vote for someone who wants to create more government assisted programs. We are in deep crap now because of government spending. That will only make our economy worse. All of our money will be put into government programs, the spending will go up instead of down, and all the money we dish out in taxes to pay for all of this crap will most definitely not go towards our deficit. It will only get bigger than it is now and it is HUGE right now. There is no way that Obama can only go after rich people and tax them more. It still wouldn't be enough to pay for all these "plans" he has. God help us!
NOBAMA!!!
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Very sincere here, I know the country is in deep trouble with the ......sm
constantly-growing unemployment lines, the banking crisis, stock market debacle, fall-out of our gross national product, growing mortgage crises, etc., but as much as I support our President and feels that he has the initiative, the drive, the intelligence, altruism, the humanitarianism, etc., to get this country turned around (and boy do we need a total 180 degree here), I really feel it is being pushed way too aggressively and hastily,.....haste makes more waste, and boy we do not need more of THAT. I see many good ideas in the O plan, and we certainly need a change in the banking laws, corporate tax structure, etc., but I have been reading as much as I can, and I have to agree with the moderate Republicans (is the sky falling yet?), there is a lot of JUNK in the Obama Solution that is really just contributing more to our national debt, and will not do anything substantial for the common folk, which is supposedly what this whole Bill is about. There is suffering and people are desperate, but if we pass the wrong plan, we will be living with even more misery and debt that our great-grandchildren will not even be able to pay off. Good solid social programs, yes, educational programs, yes, work programs, yes, help with our medical system, yes, but man, there are so many pet projects in their it looks like a lobbyist's dream. Slow down a bit, think a lot more, and perhaps we can really trim that "baby" into a truly successful plan!! Okay, off the  , call me SCARED and confused, yes democrats have open minds and limits to spending!
No. I love the country side in Alabama...I'm a country girl...nm
And we'd big in trouble if he did nothing.
That's where we are as a nation, between a rock and hard place. Suck it up!
Why do you think we'd be in big trouble
if he did nothing?
On the mortgage debacle, I say let the one's who took bit off more than they could chew, fail. They put themselves in this position.
Those that have been paying their mortgages all along and are now trying to keep their homes should be helped since the prices fell so far so fast.
Bigger is not alwasy better and some people need to learn that the hard way. Home prices went too high to fast. The bubble was bound to burst. Those that bought into those inflated prices that they couldn't afford should not have done it. Look at the couple in FL. They waited and saved to buy their dream home. They wound up buying a home that was foreclosed on for only $80K. The house had sold to someone for $235,000.
Why do people need bathrooms as large as a bedroom anyway? Whose idea was that? How long do you spend in a bathroom every day anyway? A tub as big as a swimming pool? a fire place? Terrazine(sp) tile? Subway tile? Granite counters? The cost is outrageous. We went to buy a separate shower for our extra bathroom 5 years ago. It cost $150. We went back a year later and it was up to $450. Needless to say, we still don't have a shower for our extra bathroom.
My list of people who started this housing crap are the developers, the companies who make the products that go into the homes, the real estate agents who put the price tag on the home after the developer gave their price, and the mortgage lenders/banks who pushed the bad loans.
Now I do believe she is in trouble.
She has now accused the CIA of lying to her. No one else, just her. Seriously?
Here's what I think will happen:
1. The investigation will continue and she will be proven a liar - the CIA will help out with this one, I'm sure, with documentation confirming that she knew early on everything that happened.
OR
2. The democrats will ask her to step aside, seeing her for the liability that she is, in order to put the whole nasty mess behind them and do what Obama has suggested and look forward.
Either way, if I had money, I'd bet that her political career is pretty much over. I must say, too, that it couldn't happen to a more deserving person.
I know his campaign is in big trouble.
Seems to me he thought he found something and before confirming it, he started appearing on talk shows. At the most, he knowingly lied and wanted to tell his base what they wanted to hear.
At the least, he's reckless and sloppy in his approach to things.
I suppose the true test of his character will be if he comes clean and admits he was wrong.
Other than that, I find it increasingly difficult on a daily basis to understand why some of these politicians do what they do, both Republican and Democrat alike.
i had trouble staying with what JM was saying -
it was rambling & almost incoherent.
Media causes trouble
I think half the time it is the broadcasting of such statements that prompt people to react in such a way. It's almost like they feel it is expected, so they then act out.
Plus the whole group mentality is freaky. Look at what people do sometimes after big sports events (like college games) ... even the winners. Like a pack of dogs!
I think they have been in trouble for some time (sm)
but I think the credit freeze just topped it off. I think there should be a loan (not a bailout), but with oversight and possibly even a controlling interest for the government. Of course, there is no guarantee that they will change or that the government will do any better, but I don't think them filing bankrupcy is the answer. Too many jobs are at stake. One interesting thing though is that everyone was in a hurry to bail out the financial institutions to the tune of 700B, and yet the big 3 are under an emormous amount of scrutiny. Michael Moore said the other night that there seems to be a difference between how you're treated depending on whether you take a shower before you go to work or if you shower after you get home from work. So true.
Sigh. Trouble is, if they get what they ask for....
we all get it. Like I said...at least I can take comfort in the fact that I will have had nothing to do with the demise of freedom in this country as we know it. This whole thing with Joe really brought that home in a BIG way. Civil rights down the tubes.
That is their fault. They have been in trouble for
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We are in bigger trouble than we know
It may just be way too late for Obama to get us out of the horrible mess we are in. We are fiddling while Rome burns - I sound like Chicken Little but indeed the sky IS falling - Frightening!
...."If we can use the Baltic Dry Index (BDI) as a guide for the next 12 months of product delivery and food availability in the stores we shop in then the BDI says shelves will be virtually empty of almost every product we use each and every day. Is the BDI is wrong it will be an historic first. The BDI is used by bankers, financial experts, brokers, traders and everyone in high end finance to assess the global financial condition and the availability of products worldwide. The BDI has dropped 94% in a short few weeks which means raw materials, grains, ores, steel, iron, cement and all imported products for food manufacturing and product manufacturing even though we actually do very little of that here in the US."
No....Clinton got in trouble
for lying about his blowjob. It is called lying under oath and it is punishable by law.
Should have saved yourself the trouble.
Your message was so juvenile and old hat, I don't know why you even posted.
Thank you for once again proving how ignorant your leftist lunatics really are.
More trouble in Iran
Iran's increasingly isolated opposition leader effectively ended his role in street protests, saying he'll seek permits for future rallies. A leading cleric demanded in a nationally broadcast sermon Friday that leaders of the unrest be punished harshly and that some are "worthy of execution."
Yes killing this country - have you been out of the country the last 3 months or so
Don't you have a clue as to what is happening in America? Where have you been? Don't you listen to what is happening or are you still drinking the kool-aid. That time is over. Put the aid down and wake up. The country is being destroyed. These have been the worst 4 months in the history of bad presidents. Foreclosures are on the rise, unemployment is on the rise, 3+ trillion more in deficit and on the rise, companies shutting down, Clinton for SoS. Napolitano - one of the biggest tragedies to happen to America. The list goes on and on and on and on.
Dubya is not in office anymore. You think dubya "pulled the trigger", well the O keeps reloading it and continues to pull the trigger.
Bettery try that again or I'll get in trouble with
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2006/09/saturday-cartoons.html
Conservative starting trouble
It is obvious this is a conservative trying to start trouble on the liberal board. Who cares what you think about Senator Clinton? Cast your vote and lets see how the country thinks..A level headed calm thinking democrat or a rash testosterone so out of touch with reality dangerous republican. Oprah had a show on universal health insurance a few weeks ago and a professor was on and stated that when the conservatives want to scare the people or distract from programs to benefit the people, they say it is socialism. Well, what I want to know is, what do you call the health insurance program the Congress has? That most definitely is government health insurance, so I guess socialism?. Well, if it is good enough for the Congress, it is good enough for the people. What do you call the govt programs that build bridges, roads, dams, run schools, etc., etc., etc..? Socialism? The govt must help the people of this country. We pay our taxes and we have a right to govt programs to better the lives of the people of America. I am so sick of conservatives and thankfully most of America is too.
I feel the same way about Obama. The trouble is...
we will all be holding the bag, just like we are for the bad mortgages...with all the other problems I have with him, the idea that he and the Democrats could have avoided this for us had they listened to McCain in 2005-2006 trumps them all. And it is amazing to me how all of you just excuse that...like it never even happened.
You seem to be having a little trouble staying on task.
Let's try this again. The subjct is guilt by association. The post you are answering listed Mc'Cain's associates as follows:
Just off the top of my head:
1. US Council for World Freedo. Can you say Iran contra? How about dong business with terrorists (the arms seller AND the arms customer)?
2. Phil Gramm, (co-chair of the McCain campaign), champion of Enron tax loopholes and author of Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that effectively neutralized any existing regulation of financial services industry. You remember good ole Phil. He's the one talking on McCain's behalf when he said we were having a "mental recession" and we have a nation of a bunch of whiners.
3. Gordon Liddy. That's the guy who got a 20-year sentence for his conviction of conspiracy, burglary and illegal wiretapping in the Watergate fiasco. m
4. Let's don't forget the Keating 5.
5. Richard Quinn, publisher of Southern Heritage ragazine for neo-confederates…unapologetic bigotry and proud of it!
6. Rick Davis, McCain CEO, lobbyist, paid $15,000 each month for "consulting" from end of 2005 until September 2008.
Let me spell out the issue at hand. If we are to infer that Obama embodies the phuilisophies of each and every single person or organization that he has ever encountered dring the corse of his lifetime, then we can infer the same about McCain. Are you with me so far? an appropriate, direct and credible response would not include the word democrat in it. It would deal with the issue at hand and with the list of pub snakes McCain pals around with.
McCain was having trouble speaking
McCain has had it. He lost it big time the minute he picked Palin. Oh sure the rallies got louder and the base was excited but people out there with common sense know what a mistake she is. She has a future in infomercials.
Gourdainter. I am having trouble linking to
Though this is the one rare subject on which you and I disagree (for reasons I totally get), still I am always interested in your insight. I am wondering if you wouldn't mind posting it again.
geez. I am NOT trying to start trouble...
I am seriously, honestly asking what this means. I didnt hear any audio and I dont live in Harlem and I am just curious what this means, if I am to take this how I THINK it sounds. I do realize that I could be taking it wrong and so I am trying to reserve judgment until I know what it means.
You posted this before. Trying to stir up trouble again? (nm)
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Yeah, I'm having trouble dealing
with the no-First-Dog thing too. Maybe that was an attempt to humanize himself, since many people are said to like dogs and dog owners? Then after the election he no longer needed to appear warm and fuzzy?
I don't know, if you figure it out, let me know. Just so terribly disappointed, I was really counting on that pooch.
They're not happy unless they are starting trouble.
They don't want to debate. All they want to do is attack and chase away people who don't agree with them. They don't want liberals on their board, but they refuse to practice what they preach.
This is the reason the administrator created a conservative and liberal board. They have their own board, but that's not enough for them. It's typical of how they must control everyone's thoughts and deeds and even which God they worship.
A definite intrusion by a CON who only comes here to start trouble
You ought to read the venom you spew
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Posted By: ll on 2006-03-10,
In Reply to: It's better off dead than dead AND rude and OBNOXIOUS. - PK
you all are supposed to be loving and tolerant people however, you never are loving and tolerant on this board. People try to discuss things with you, and you all go postal and start shooting them. You all are a sad, sad bunch of people. I feel real sorry for the people you come in contact with in real life. Of course you are probably nicer in real life...at least I hope so. You just bomb people here to get some kind of sick little pleasure.
Mean people like you all are the reason these boards have to be separate. Mean people suck.
So, I have trouble understanding abstract ideas AND
I have no sense of humor. Anybody else?
Why do pubs have so much trouble staying on task?
I like facts. Troopergate has lots of them. Try reading it. Then try answering the questions. Challenge yourself. Get though one single entire post, begining to end, without trashing Obama. Can you handle that? Probably not, but give it your best shot. By the way, there is only one person here who you need to educate....and it ain't me, babe.
Obama is just trouble....plain and simple.
There are so many things that I don't agree with him on. You can't raise taxes for small businesses in this time of crisis. You can't have all of these government assisted programs and only tax the rich because that won't be enough to cover all the expenses. He will have to tax us all including the middle class which he professes to want to help even though "spreading the wealth" will keep us down in the middle class because we won't be able to afford to make it into the upper tax bracket. Basically his plans are aimed to help the lowlife scum who don't want to work. As for his healthcare......like Oldtimer said below.....you can't make insurance companies pay for pre-existing conditions like that. If no one wants to pay for health insurance until they have a major illness.....these insurance companies are supposed to pay for a pre-existing condition when this person is just now paying insurance premiums. The insurance companies won't have any money to pay out if that is how it will work because no one will want to pay for insurance until something major happens. It just won't work that way because it can't.
Obama is a socialists through and through. I'm tired of the media and his supporters ignoring his associations. I'm tired of people throwing up the race card. It is just absolutely ridiculous. Just because I'm a white woman not voting for Obama....that doesn't make me racist. Yet you never hear about the people voting for Obama just because he is black.....is that not also racist?
This whole election is just screwed up. I hope to God that this next debate has something in it worth watching and I hope McCain tears Obama a new butthole!
I had trouble believing Obama's lies
He kept going around in circles it made no sense. He kept trying to cover up one lie with another. But what would you expect from a lawyer.
Trouble brewing baby...happening already...
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Sotp trying to start trouble..there was an audio out of
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Another post to start trouble - what a shame -
You think calling ME insecure justifies YOUR trouble making?
You come here to rain on the parade and call me and the rest of us insecure? Gonna poke the dog with a stick and cry when the dog bites? You're the one with the problem, and causing the problem. If you can't see that, you're blind.
You're acting like an troll (instigator) for trouble here
I doubt anyone else will bother to respond to you today.
You're giving liberals a bad name
Obama had no trouble signing 5 executive orders
if he is so opposed to bombing Pakistan, why did he give the order to do so? US drones bombing Pakistan. He is now in charge.....Bush can't call those shots.
Like I said, as long as Dems are in control, they suddenly have no problem with bombing ANYONE......just goes to show you what they will be doing to this country........just bend over and take it like a good little girl
That's the trouble with liberals, they think the entire world is shades of gray.
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Iraq starts new year with 12 car bombings. US is in trouble, people!
God Help Us All.
I agree, that goes for both sides. I don't agree with those starting trouble over...sm
on your board either, but then some of you come and take it out on the people who only post here and we have nothing to do with the fights over there.
I enjoy communicating with liberals and occasionally do learn something from conservative posters, so I refuse to let the driveby, no moniker, one-sided finger pointers, self-indulging posters drive me off.
this country
Please remember this country and its founding Christian principles were legislated by slave-owners, a practice that was condoned for another 100 years in this country, along with the near-annihilation of this country's indigenous peoples.
The past may not be as rosy as you might paint it to be.
Well, I don't think this country had anything to do with it....
and I don't think Musharraf himself had anything to do with it. That is not to say that radicals within the intelligence services of Pakistan did not have a hand in it. The way it was done, they probably did. With the goal in mind of stopping the elections and causing destabilization...and perhaps a chance to get their hands on nukes, that we all know Pakistan has. Nukes ready to use.
This is a very scary event, folks. Not just for Pakistan...for the world.
Just as an aside....if you really look at what is going on in this country....
Ron Paul is more of a threat than you think. Evangelical Christians want someone pro-life and they are not going to get it with Guiliani...and whether you believe it or not, there are a LOT of them out there. And a lot of young people are looking at Paul, and that is young people on BOTH sides of the political spectrum. And in most all issues, Ron Paul is a strict conservative. And a lot of people out there are VERY sick of tax and spend...even a lot of Democrats...hence the Congress approval rating LESS than Bush's. There is a ground swell going on out there that could very well take over and tsunami the Dem candidate...and if the candidate is Hillary I would be willing to BET it will happen. Your worst nightmare realized. A true conservative in the White House and a Congress to help him turn things around. The purse strings are sure to really tighten (which is what I meant by gravy train about to end...by that I meant the endless tax and spend tax and spend).
Almost makes one giddy thinking about it.
I myself have a couple of real problems with Ron Paul...however...I could get behind him easier than I could Guiliani and so could a LOT of conservatives out there. So....I wouldn't be trashing Ron Paul and hawking that split the vote thing too loud...it could come back to bite you.
Have a good day!
country first
Theme of RNC. Sarah Palin was member of a group who advocated Alaska seceding from United States. Who first? Wno on second?
How are you get along with a country...
run by a man who calls for the annihilation of another country? As Ahmadinejad has said ad nauseam. Sure Mahmoud, let's sit down and talk about obliterating Israel. And that pesky little Death To America slogan...we need to talk about that. Have some tea.
Probably do everything they can to keep this country
from going to h*ll in a hand basket!!!!!
but it's okay with me if the country
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If we had done to their country
We would have been in jail. Can you imagine going to a foreign country, standing on a corner until you got a job, sending your kids to school even though they did not speak the language and expecting to be accommodated, buying a house, car, getting a foreign credit card, not paying taxes, sending the money out of the country, and then trying to say you had rights to citizenship? It really boggles my mind when I think about it. And in my neighborhood we just loved and accepted everyone who came and were gracious and generous. I even took Spanish classes so I could speak to my neighbors. Then they left. They lost their jobs and they lost their homes and they left. The whole neighborhood is devastated, the school closed down and the houses are all empty. The really funny thing is to even get a job for awhile in my area, you had to be able to speak Spanish! What can you say, but that is absolutely insane!
What are you saying here? It's their country
Heads down? What does that mean? This transition is inevitable and I do not see anything wrong with the Iraqis expecting troops to live by the rule of law...their law. Iraqi is a sovereign nation, not an occupied territory (illegal by international standards).
I think everyone in THIS country should take off their
Just saw the video. Cracked me up.
You mean OUR country, don't you?
You may not be ashamed of America, but your love-it-or-leave-it attitude brings shame down on you. Country of diversity. Deal with it.
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