We're talking history here, not theology....nm
Posted By: Just the big bad on 2009-05-28
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If you would switch out of attack mode for just 1 sec, she is talking about HISTORY sm
NOT religion. Good grief.
You're right on the history and
Papa Kennedy had some pretty shady associations I do believe.
I don't know what you're talking about.
But I find it funny that you throw out a bunch of words and suddenly your friend below accepts them as fact.
I'm being investigated? Fine. Investigate away. I have nothing to hide.
If you're talking about....sm
McCain, he has said he doesn't believe in torture, and I have doubts he would use it on anyone else, especially since it was used on him.
Hey, that's me you're talking about....LOL (sm)
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), religion does have an influence on politics. So when we start talking about abortion, for example, you really can't talk about the issue without talking about religion. For me, the idea of religion being brought up on this board is not the issue. The issue is that people seem to have little tolerance of other religions (or the lack thereof).
No idea what you're talking about -
...except the person who posted whatever it was on the conservative board, so why don't you take it up with that person ON THE CONSERVATIVE BOARD? You sure give yourself a lot of license coming here to bash everyone else over it, as if that's some kind of excuse.
Looks like the NeoCons are getting bored talking to each other...have to come here to troll instead. Had to happen!
I don't know if you're talking about my post or not.
I think the subject line that All Americans Deserve to Live (or something like that).
I see that my post is gone, and if mine is the post you're referring to, I'm sorry. I can't repost it. It was just something I quickly wrote from my heart, and I didn't keep a copy of it.
I guess I'll have to start saving a copy of everything I write. :-(
Sure sounds like you're talking about yourselves here, you two....nm
It's okay to glom on and bully down the republicans, be it the candidates or posters. But let one do it to you, and you cry foul, like the hypocrites you are.
Every description you use to define the right, sounds a lot like your libby posts. How ironic. Right in front of your nose, and you can't even see yourself.
So sorry for your small, closed mindedness.
I'm guessing you're talking about
the old fart, right? That's all he does. He doesn't care about our country. He only cares about being in power, why...I can't figure out. He'd be the second worst in history, BUSH first. Remember when you voted for BUSH? HaHaHaHa...Oh, not really. Look where we are now.
Don't have a clue what you're talking about so
Quran Surah 4: Women
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 89
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant.
Quran Surah 5: The Table Spread
Christians will be burned in the Fire. 72
Quran Surah 6: The Cattle
Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 125
Allah will send everyone the Fire, except those he chooses to deliver. 128
Surah 9: Repentance
Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 113
Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 123
As much as Christians are harshly put down on this board, my God does not teach me to fight disbelievers, to not pray for them, to ignore idolators (not even for your family?), which would be the very ones we would want to pray for.
Also, my God does not purposefully lead people astray so he can them burn them in hell.
Basically, Muslims are taught to love other Muslims; otherwise, everyone else are nonbelievers and are not worthy of their love.
you're talking to the wrong sm --
Yes - they're already talking about the possibility
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You have no idea what you're talking about...(nm)
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Don't you realize who you're talking to?
These type of people have no loyalty to this country. They just don't get "free people". They have never gotten what it means to be in a country where they have freedoms other countries don't have and they never will.
They are so wrapped up in their own lives, they will never get the big picture. Just like with this president. They will sing his praises for the next 4 years even if he took every freedom they have away because they won't admit he is taking this country down the wrong path..... that's because country doesn't mean anything to them; the "party" is all they see and for some, the fact we have a black man for president is all they care about. Either way, it's very sad for us all.
I didn't like a lot of things Bush didn't do while in office... closing our borders for starters, so more moochers won't crawl, the crime rate wouldn't skyrocket, and our prisons wouldn't be full of still more freeloading moochers I have to pay for for years to come. The fact that he didn't pardon the border patrol agents sickens me. There is no excuse for that.
So, for those who are stuck on "party" lines instead of what is best for their country, they will pull this country down. The fact that poster thinks it's a good thing to keep "free speech" silenced is frightening. Those people are what's wrong with this country!
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
You obviously don't know a thing about Britain in the 1930s, when Hitler was coming into power. Britain banned Winston Churchill and wouldn't let him speak in the house of parliamant, because he was speaking the truth about what Germany was doing to the Jewish people, and they didn't want to hear it! Well, we all know what happened there!
This whole thing started with Jacqui Smith..... because of ALL the violence in Muslim neighborhoods and all the Muslim leaders in Great Britain inciting hate and violence, she was to compile lists of Muslims who incite violence around the world with a call to jihad and make sure no more of these types of people can get into Great Britain. Well, they were on the right track there until of course politics got in there and someone convinced her they didn't want to seem to have a problem with Muslims, so they thought it best to throw in a couple of white guys so it wouldn't look so "profilish".
Speaking of hate-mongers, they have lots of muslims standing in their streets threatening violence to Britain and the United States, standing right in the streets of Great Britain big as you please incisting violence. Now that Britain has realized what a mistake it is to have them in their country and just what evil people they are, they are seeking to get them out and at the very least, keep anymore from getting in their country.
Too bad they didn't go after Rev. WRight....now there's a violent man inciting hate and violence if ever I saw one!!!
Kim Jong II isn't on that list. Chavez the sicko isn't on that list.
There are British people in the streets calling for the overthrow of their own government and for good reason! Their government has turned into just what this country is turning into. Butt kissing sissies!!!
Remember Abu Izzadeen? The race hate preacher? I doubt you have a clue who I'm talking about, cause you know nothing about anything, just diarrhea of the mouth. Izzadden PRAISED the July 7 London suicide bombings in the streets, and has been freed after spending barely serving 12 months of a 4-1/2 year sentence!! I believe his words were, "The Americans and British only understand one lanuage, the language of blood". He has called for ALL UK Muslims to kill British troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. But I suppose YOU no doubt find him more appealing than Savage. Now THERE'S a hate monger...no... there's an evil human being. He now walks the streets of London again, spewing his inciteful hate and in full view trying to encourage all Muslims in London to KILL Britains and Americans.
Yep, you got it all figured out. Britiain is scared to death; their own police won't even go into Muslims neighborhoods because the violence is just THAT bad!!!
They're a bunch of sissy wimps who have now found themselves stuck with very evil people by the thousands in their own backyards and now they are regretting it!!!
Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
You sound like a blithering boob just parroting what the Huffington Post told you.
It's quite obvious you didn't check your facts, or do a moment's worth of research.
You're missing the point. She's not talking about
people like your stepdaughter. She's talking about all the free loaders who won't get off their lazy butts and get a job even when they are more than capable of doing so.
When I was little my mom struggled to feed the two of us because my dad was a deadbeat. She went to the welfare office asking for just a little help to feed us. They told her that she made too much money but if she quit her job, they would pay for everything: housing, food, everything. She could have easily taken the easy route and taken them up on their offer but had too much integrity. Here she was making too much money in their eyes but many weeks only had $5 after bills to feed herself and her only child. Now that is a messed up government. I'm all for helping people help themselves. Pay for day care while they get an education, pay for food while they work to better themselves but NOT pay for them to drive fancy cars, have satellite that they watch on big screen TVs, and eat potato chips and ice cream. Get real, open your eyes, and quit making excuses for the lazy! We're not talking about the needy. Yes, there are people are mentally or physically unable to work. That is NOT who we are talking about!
Unfortunately, you're talking to ignorant people!
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So what, you're 80, 90 years old and know this? Previous poster talking about...sm
Joseph Kennedy back in the 1940s and 1950s, some 60-70 years ago, and what he did and didn't do? It's all in the history books.
Maybe Teddy is like that today and pays for nothing (doubt that, but hey, you say live there, whatever), really don't care for him much at all, what with Chappaquiddick (sp?) and all, and how daddy Kennedy got young Teddy off on murder charges on that poor girl, Mary Jane Kopechne. Daddy Kennedy called in favors for that one, too, doncha know.
It's well known how much daddy Kennedy did for JFK way back then, to get him elected. It's called history.
We're talking about a brand new baby born with Down's...there is NO comparison at all...nm
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Nope, never said I wasn't black, but I remember the argument you're talking about...sm
Nan, Military Brat and Bush supporter took me to task over whether or not I was black when I said *and who said I was black anyway* I'm trying to find this in archives.
But, what I can't stand is people having a preformed opinion about how I am going to think or should think since I'm black, that's why I don't post my race. Once I posted that I was African American that's when they started the *I thought you said you weren't black.* Which I have never denied my race. Sorry, but not true.
You left out black liberation theology....
cornerstone of the church.
Go read black liberation theology....
and YOU decide who is the racist. There are black racists. Wright is one...Farrakhan is one...
Are you for socialism, black liberation theology,
redistribution of wealth?
Go and read up on black liberation theology....
as taught by his church of 20 years, and then come back with a straight face and say he considers himself as much black as white. That is racism on THEIR part, not mine.
What issues. Endless rounds of Pro-Life and BL Theology post?
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History is history and opinion is opinion. You need to learn the difference.
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When McBush is talking, he isn't talking to you unless you are wealthy or CEO
who provides campaign funds. Do you know why lobbyists are making the headlines? Because they are bribing the politicians of both parties - lobbyists work for private interests (AIPAC) along with the pharmaceutical company ($280.00 for a bottle of pills? Only in America, folks), oil industry (record profits at your expense) credit card companies and unethical banking procedures (Funny isn't it how Visa wrote the reformed BK bill, making virtually everyone end up in ch 13 (garnishing income, including SS) after raising credit limits and offering transfer balances at 0 percent to everyone with a last name and a roof over their head? Along with mtgs that were bound to turn into bad loans when house prices dropped which they always do after a bubble. God, I could go on and on here but I get tired. The nation is in such trouble. Serious serious trouble. There is a huge loan to an unfriendly country (did you watch the Olympics? did you ever see Bush look more uncomfortable other than during the Stephen Colbert roast during the national press conference. lol.
Well I want you to know what fascism. And I want you to know that those treasury notes are backed up by the taxpayers (you) and real estate including roads and govt buildings and parks. Have you noticed why Save-Mart Center is owned by savemart and not a community business or the community itself? There is somethign happening slowly and surely and it is NOT going to benefit middle class america one iota. You must know that as a poor person, you have no power, no voice. Elections are rigged and the politicans cease to care whether you like them or not - oh wait, that has already happened.
THINK ABOUT THIS!!!! Your 401Ks and investments/assets are what at are stake!
Fascist governments nationalized key industries and made massive state investments. They also introduced price controls, wage controls and other types of Soviet-style economic planning measures.[12] Property rights and private initiative were contingent upon service to the state.[13].[14] Fascists promoted their ideology as a "third way" between capitalism and Marxian socialism.[15] Fascists in Germany and Italy claimed that they opposed reactionaries, and that they were actually revolutionary political movements that fused with conservative social values.
Talking to them is talking to a brick wall.
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I am, not talking about Clinton, I am talking
about the torture of prisoners, crimes against the Geneva conventions.
It seems that you did not read the last sentence in my former post.
Are you saying that crimes from the near past should all be forgotten?
You're entitled to your opinion. I guess it depends on what side of the spectrum you're on.nm
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We're not defending Bush we're pointing out the obvious
All you see in your view is Bush, Bush, Bush. Nobody else exists. You have yet to answer any of the questions I posed yesterday. We're not the one obsessing about Bush. I'm sure you'll counter that with I don't owe you any answers! It's really telling that for five or six days this board was mute about the Israel/Lebanon situation. You were too busy posting trash news about Bush like nothing was even happening, but I know that the left has wait for its talking points. You all cannot formulate opinions on your own. You have boilerplates ready to go though. *This is Bush's fault because _____________ but you have to wait on Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, etc. etc. to fill in the blanks for you. It's not just a phenomenon here but with all the left. You can count on at least two days of silence when something unforseen breaks out in the world, because they have to retreat to their bunkers to get their talking points straight, but it will always start with *This is Bush's fault because....
Hey, if they're smoking cigs, they're paying for SCHIP.
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They're too lazy to show patriotism......they're waiting
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I know history
Jews and Communism? Dont get the link there. Jews are definitely not communist and even in the old world, *Old Europe*, Austria, Germany, Poland, they were not communists..they were shop owners, jewelry makers, prosperous bankers..I have never met a communist or socialist jew and I grew up in NYC. To quote history, to remember history, to study history, does not mean we are contributing to terrorism..or aiding our enemies..that argument makes no sense. My major in college was history, minor anthropology. So, I pretty much know a bit about history. When people close their eyes to the truth, refuse to admit what is really happening or what type of administration is running the country, follow like sheep without question, that is when we are headed to ruin..not when there is free flow of ideas and talk of history, even quotes from the most evil of them..
What is history but....
windows that open and close. You are correct. However, you still want to beat Bush up for going to Iraq. We went. Nothing can change that. CLinton did not fight them in Somalia like he should...we cannot change that. However, the reason for not leaving Iraq post haste is as much about running yet again from Al Qaeda as it is about abandoning the rank and file Iraqi people. You have to understand that I have been in the military culture for a long time and have daily talks with someone who has been there and done that...he does not form my opinions and we have been known to butt heads...however, he does give me great insight. He knows who the enemy is. He has faced them.
It is history, kam...look it up.
Democrats are the ones who were against freeing the slaves. When Abe Lincoln and the Republicans(yes, he was a Republican) freed the slaves and after the war passed legislation to give them the vote, the Democrats immediately passed poll taxes and literacy tests so that the newly freed slaves would not be able to exercise their new right to vote. African Americans did not get clear right to vote until the Civil Rights Act in the 1960's, when enough Northern Democrats bucked the party and joined the Republicans to pass that act. It is all history, all fact. Look it up.
history and the
impact of Supreme Court decisions on the role of government? I guess it really has nothing to do with being VP. All you need is a rah-rah speech, a sense of victimization and a flag pin and you are good to go. Sorry, sometimes I think.
Here is a bit of history.
This election has me very worried. So many things to consider. About a year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times since than. I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I must say this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with. About six months ago, I started thinking 'where did the money come from for Obama'. I have four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was tight. We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student loans. I started looking into Obama's life.
Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California. He is very open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies. 'Barry' (that was the name he used all his life) during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan. During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a 'round the world' trip. Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia, next Hyderabad in India, three weeks in Karachi, Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family. My question - Where did he get the money for this trip? Neither I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they where in college. When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New York. It is at this time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia? It's not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000. a year. Why Chicago? Why not New York? He was already living in New York.
By 'chance' he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria, and a real estate developer in Chicago. Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery this year. Rezko, was named 'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association'. About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School. Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School? Where did he get the money for Law School? More student loans? After Law school, he went back to Chicago. Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented 'Rezar' which Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago. In 20 03, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with 'seed money' for his U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he get the money for the property? On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.
Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any major decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz, Iran! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?
On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was 'sacked' after the press found out he was having regular contacts with 'Hamas', which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran. This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is elected, and he will 'Take care of things'.
Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that where born in Pakistan? They are in charge of all those 'small' Internet campaign contribution for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and middle class in this country? Or could it be from the Middle East?
And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on 'This Week' with George Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking about his religion said, 'My Muslim faith'. When questioned, 'he made a mistake'. Some mistake!
All of the above information I got on line. If you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.
Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, Why haven't all of our 'intelligent' members of the press been reporting this?
A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - 'Beware of the enemy from within'!!!
Don't you know your history?
Yes there has always been a President Elect. They become President Elect after the electorates vote the 2nd week in December. Until then they are still just a citizen. However the media is so anxious to get Bush out (and I don't blame them), that they are not reporting the truth (although that doesn't surprise me from what I saw during the campaign).
However "Office of the President Elect" is new and invented (created out of nothing) by the O.
Here's what one of a hundred different sites says...
Obama Invents 'Office of the President-Elect'
Monday, November 10, 2008 12:54 PM
By: Jim Meyers Article Font Size
Barack Obama has created a stir by proclaiming that he heads “The Office of President-Elect” — an office that does not officially exist.
At his first news conference on Nov. 7, Obama stood at a podium bearing a sign that read: “Office of the President-Elect. Also, his Web site, Change.gov, bears the words “Office of the President-Elect” at the top of its home page.
Writer Larry Anderson referred to the “made-up little title” on the American Thinker Web site, and declared: “I nearly busted a gut ...
“Once again, [Obama] can’t wait to invest himself with the trappings of office.”
Conservative columnist Michelle Malkin wondered: “What other make-believe offices are they going to invent between now and Inauguration Day? I can’t ever recall in my lifetime any mention of such an office.”
Technically speaking, Obama may not even be the President-elect, according to the American Sentinel Web site.
“Megalomaniac Obama’s ego grows even more insufferable,” a weekend posting reads.
“Yes, he will be [president-elect]. But he’s not officially yet, until the Electoral College votes.
“The Constitution provides that on the Monday after the second Wednesday in December, electors convene in their respective state capitals. It’s then that they formally elect the President of the United States, based on the general election results.”
Has anyone ever in history won by this
large of a margin & had the electoral college cast their votes opposite? No. You're grasping at straws.
Are you saying there's a different history?
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How's this for a history........ sm
Scroll down to the bottom of the 5th page of this report and start reading. Ogden has argued against opposed the Child Internet Protection Act of 2000, challenged the Child Obsenity and Obscenity Enforcement Act and has represented numerous p*ornographic publishers in various causes. I think this is more than enough reason to oppose him as DAG.
http://www.scribd.com/full/11607068?access_key=key-18yr2u50t8o0sz54rbrl
You don't know your history very well, do you?
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So you're not racist but you're most definitely SEXIST and AGEIST!!!
"Someone more in our age group..."
"She should be taking care of her family."
Your true colors are showing, and they're truly ugly.
Just because they're LOSING doesn't mean they're VICTIMS.
What is it with people these days? You think that just because Hamas is getting its fanny handed to it that that magically makes them victims, and we should all weep and throw cash at them?
From the dawn of time, lesser civilizations have fallen to stronger ones.
It's why the human species survived and the neanderthals didn't.
It's why Rome conquered the Celts.
It's why the Barbarians conquered the Western Roman Empire.
It's why the British conquered the American Indians.
It's why the Spanish conquered the Aztecs.
It's why the Muslims conquered Israel the first time. But, since their societal progres seems to have permanently parked in the Stone Age, now Israel is conquering them right back.
Deal with it.
You're right. They're simply not worthy of a reply.
History speaks for itself. sm
You are simply ignorant of it and I said it was ONE of the reasons, not the only reason. Still trying to twist my words and worm out that you don't know history at all! Do you EVER watch the History Channel? Read historical books, not just college course books. I am through talking to you. People who can't even admit they are wrong and try to put the onus on someone else aren't worth talking to. Besides, you are so filled with hatred, I am surprised you didn't say how ugly Bush's daughters are just to throw that in just one more time.
A word on history.
Whatever it is that is being discussed concering global conflicts, when using history to clarify, define, explain, prove, whatever...I always try to remember that history has always been written and interpreted by the victor.
Ancient history
I dont care about ancient history. I care about right now in America. The fact is, the American people have spoken and they have stated with their vote that the Republican controlled congress was not working to their satisfaction or benefit and Bush's ideological based administration was heading American down the wrong track. I know it must be making many conservatives quite upset but majority rules in America, that is what democracy is, government by the majority of the people. So, accept it and move on. Democrats had to for the last 12 years and it was quite a hard pill to swallow at times. Finally, America will be on the right track and maybe we will be able to rebuild positive relations with the world and get out of Iraq before many more of our heroic soldiers are slaughtered for nothing but a bunch of lies.
You should care about history....
and should learn from it. Sadly, that is something neither party seems to do, and both have left their origins. The sad thing is...as they sow, so shall WE reap.
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