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We have just left a dictatorship. As for patriotism,

Posted By: youwho on 2009-02-06
In Reply to: Oh my....are you kidding me? - wow.

when W was in the WH, everyone who disagreed with him was labelled as NOT patriotic, FYI.  How quickly one forgets. 


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Socialism vs dictatorship
Didn't Bush make the comment, "if this were a dictatorship it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so I'm the dictator."  Well, he appointed himself the "decider" didn't he?  We're closer to a dictatorship than we've ever been.  I will not be totally surprised if we come under martial law before the election takes place.  There are major issues at stake here people.  Instead of arguing for or against McCain/Palin, Obama/Biden, we need to discussing what we can do to change the course of America and neither of these clowns are going to provide the change we need...that is going back to government of the people, for the people.  So long as they can keep us fighting over Democrats/Republicans, we don't have time to address the REAL ISSUES.  Our very freedom is at risk!!!!!
Dictatorship...you mean like Bush?

Like listening in on private phone calls?  Like invading a sovereign nation? Bringing back the old standby of torture?  ...the same pollicies McCain voted for and would continue? 


socialism eventually = dictatorship....
Obama is a far left socialist. Way too far left socialist for me. Sarah Palin or no Sarah Palin...would still have voted for McCain.
do you think it is patriotism to run
this country into the ground as has been done in the past 8 years?  That's patriotism to steal the wealth of America?  Who cares about a pin?  Give me a responsible govt.  To become a third world nation, we are there already!  This is definitely not the same country as in the 1990s.  From Iraq to Katrina, to a major financial overload and thievery.  We are there.  Now how to get out?  A flag pin is not going to do a darn thing!
Patriotism
you to accept and submit to our new president.  All those hopeful abolitionists, succesionists, socialites and document questioners are directly UNDERMINING our country by spreading unrest and false stories when we need to gather together to work together.  A simple piece of paper regarding a birth place is not relevent now that we have elected a great leader. Nothing can change our destiny, so Bind together. Weave together. Read together.
patriotism

Golly, it sounds like you are salivating at the thought that our president-elect will disappoint people.  I remember his opponent, who he trounced soundly, always claimed that people should put their country first . . . not to look forward to being able to say "I told you so" to suffering fellow Americans.


 


Patriotism Index
 http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0622-33.htm

This is a good one. I don't hardly have any points!!!
Doesn't look patriotism got us too far
these past 8 years.  That's my point.  Conform?  You will never get me to conform, I am a true patriot.  Did Patrick Henry conform when he said, "Give me liberty or give me death?"  No, he died being a patriot.  You know nothing of patriotism.  There has been no patriotism since Bush got in office.  It's cronyism that's got us here, not patriotism.
So, your so-called patriotism has led you to believe
that torture is okay?  Is that what 9/11 has done to America?  To become something akin to a bunch of sadistic terrorists?  Same thing.  Torture is NEVER an answer.  This country has gone through MUCH WORSE and has NEVER tortured.  To me, it is so sad that the topic is even being discussed.  Seems to me that AL Queda has got done what it wanted, to destroy America from the inside-out.  Makes me sick to see how far we've gone already. 
My patriotism stops at the freeloaders
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Sorry, but I see true patriotism being smothered
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We showed plenty of patriotism..(sm)
last Nov 4.  Now THAT was a grass roots movement.  Maybe you guys just didn't have the right kind of leadership for this thing.  Maybe next time you should look into getting a community organizer.....
Is it okay to show your patriotism at the office?

For one Arlington woman, the answer was "no" after she hung an American flag in her office just before the Memorial Day weekend.


Debbie McLucas is one of four hospital supervisors at Kindred Hospital in Mansfield. Last week, she hung a three-by-five foot American flag in the office she shares with the other supervisors.


When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. "I was just totally speechless. I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" McLucas said.


McLucas' husband and sons are former military men. Her daughter is currently serving in Iraq as a combat medic.


Stifling a cry, McLucas said, "I just wonder if all those young men and women over there are really doing this for nothing."


McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa. McLucas said the supervisor took down Debbie's flag herself.


"The flag and the pole had been placed on the floor," McLucas said. But McLucas also said hospital higher ups had told her some patients' families and visitors had also complained.


"I was told it wouldn't matter if it was only one person," she said. "It would have to come down."


McLucas said hospital bosses told her as far as patriotism was concerned, the flag flying outside the hospital building would have to suffice.


Kindred Hospital Corporate Headquarters are located in Kentucky. They have yet to make a final decision on the matter. They have not returned our phone calls for comment.


The Kindred Hospital Corporation was chosen as Fortune's most admired for 2009. McLucas hopes they'll back her patriotism.


"I find it very frightening because if I can't display my flag, what other freedoms will I lose before all is said and done," McLucas asked.


Dems trashed constantly over patriotism. So much for
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intelligent, true patriotism, positive
not talking about the Chris Mathews of MSNBC. Not the one that gets a shiver up his leg for Obama? He is nothing but an Obama, DNC butt-kissing, too far lefty for any hope and I shudder of the thought of him having anything to do with this country's government. All he knows how to do is report one side of any issue and get a shiver up his leg for doing it.
You wouldn't know patriotism if it gave you a freebie!
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you mean left wing....it's a left wing ding website on the messiah....the right wouldn't bothe

They're too lazy to show patriotism......they're waiting
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No need. I can't think of who else left besides Nan before. sm
That's why I didn't name their name. Either way, my point was they'll be back.
Actually what the left
expects and the right should too is not to be lied to on a continual basis, to have our constitution upheld. We didnt go into this war to spread democracy we went because this administration lied. WMD remember? THATS why we went into Iraq, that and the fact that due to republican spin fully half of Americans believed Saddam did 09/11. and meanwhile the real perp of 09/11 runs free. If Iraq had no oil, we never would have gone in there. Sadly, Mr bush has made one huge mess that is costing us billions and killing our soldiers. Yeah a whole lot of America is furious and upset and we have good reason to be.
Look what the left does..

maybe this was posted before but it just goes to show how biased the media is and what liars they really are. the quote in red was the actual quote. Look how the media decided to butcher it.


The media is trying REALLY hard to paint Sarah Palin into an evil religious zealot. The AP is willing to break the typically utilized laws of printing the English language to do it.


According to the AP, Sarah Palin said this about the troops while at church:


“Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God,"


According to real life, Sarah Palin said this about the troops while at church (with the AP’s selective quoting underlined):


“Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God,”


The AP quote means “Iraq is a mission from God.”


The actual quote means “We pray Iraq is a mission from God.”


The headline is even more misleading.


Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God'


The AP not only doesn't mention the previous sentence, or the first part of the sentence they quote, they also essentially ignore the meaning of the very next sentence as well. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."


This is a statement of humble reflection from Palin. To translate into terms the media might understand, its "I hope we're doing the right thing."


This story is bad enough that the AP really should issue a correction on it, if not a full retraction. There's no story unless you butcher the quote. It's based on half (or a quarter) of a quote, mentally ignoring the previous and following sentences, and even presenting the trimmed quote as the start of a sentence --forcing them to capitalize a word that actually appeared in the middle of the sentence.


Really bad.


you left off

spinning his wedding ring.  And everyone knows what a married man is thinking when he does that . . .


 


If you have next to no $ left now
you must be one of the ones that the rest of us will be supporting with our tax money. 
I will if you put the left one in.

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Left behind
I am just wondering if either of you read Tim LeHaye's "Left Behind" series. It is fictional but deals with the rapture and those left behind. I had read it many years ago but was just thinking the other day how scary it is that I find so many similarities between the books and our current situation and my feelings about what we as a country may be facing after this election. Part of it also deals with a "one-world" religion, another thought I find scary. Have you read it?
She is the only one left on there with
decency and common sense! She is definitely no twit and there is nothing to hate about her. Just my opinion of course, and I feel like all the others are twits.
Does anyone have anything left in their

those to the far left seem to think
we are to be all-tolerant of them and their lunatic ideas, but the tolerance doesn't work the other direction. Don't worry, those who counted on Obama for the gay/lesbian legislation -- i'm sure he'll come through for you before its all over.
Yes, I know someone who left the
country because Bush was reelected.  So, in answer to your obnoxious question, YES!
I'm about as far left as you can get ....
and Dubya didn't have anything to do with prompting the 9/11 attacks.  He just had the bad fortune to be the sitting president at the time.  Those attacks were years in the making.  Years.  It's foolish to blame any one president or any one administration for it. 
Is this what the left always does when they have no
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Oh, come on! Both can be mean, but the left can
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What will they do when there's no one left to pay
This, of course, is the major flaw in all socialist dreams and schemes. Sooner or later, the camel collapses under the weight of hauling everyone else's load. And my hump is already getting rubbed raw.
Here is one, but it's partisan left! sm

Neighbors for Peace to "Raise the Bar" for Democratic Candidates


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


St. Paul, MN – June 17, 2003 – When national Democratic leaders visit St. Paul next week, Merriam Park Neighbors for Peace and other Minnesota organizations will be on the scene to question presidential candidates, raising the electoral bar for peace, justice, and environmental issues.


The Association of State Democratic Chairs and the Democratic National Committee will convene this weekend at the Radisson Riverfront Hotel at 11 East Kellogg Boulevard in St. Paul. Gearing up for the 2004 presidential elections, Merriam Park Neighbors for Peace will be outside the hotel on Friday, June 20, from 2:30 to 5:30 p.m. to invite the candidates to join concerned Minnesota Democrats in dialogue about critical issues.


"People are leaving the Democratic party in droves, because in recent elections the candidates have become so centrist that they are almost indistinguishable from the Republicans," comments Merriam Park Neighbors for Peace co-founder, Anne Benson. "We want to see the Democratic party return to its progressive roots—to stand up for working people and poor people, and to fight against the regressive domestic and foreign policies of the Bush administration."


The neighbors from the Merriam Park area of St. Paul hold that in recent elections, Democratic candidates have lost their chance to take office because they've neglected the concerns of their own voters.


"It has always been said, 'There are more Democrats than Republicans; we just need to get out the vote,'" states member, Steve Schwarz. "We, however, need a reason to get out the vote. Many Democrats have felt alienated and misrepresented by the party and have looked instead to other alternatives. We believe in the principles that made the Democratic party what it was and still can be today. Remember, we in Minnesota have supported a long line of Democratic politicians who voted on principle and not on predictions of popularity. We expect our candidates to make peace and justice issues a priority."


Adds Benson, "We're encouraging candidates to ask themselves the hard questions: Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Was I misled by the administration when I voted for the War Powers Resolution? How do we get out of this quagmire in Iraq? Does the PATRIOT Act infringe on too many civil liberties?"


Merriam Park Neighbors for Peace has invited all Democratic candidates to meet with them after their sessions conclude on Friday to answer a series of fourteen questions regarding issues of pre-emptive war, international relations, arms development, military spending, V.A. benefits, U.S. economy, social programs, employment, globalization, education, health care, civil liberties, terrorism, and environmental policy. They invite all Minnesotans with these concerns to join them in St. Paul on Friday in addressing the candidates.


"We're not endorsing a particular candidate," group member, Jeanne Schnitzen, notes. "We're giving them all a chance to look us in the eye and answer to the issues we vote for. If they're really in this race to turn the tides, we'll make sure they get that chance. I want to believe there is a Democratic candidate who is capable of sowing the seeds of change."


So much for the tolerance of the left. nm

Looks like you left your *objectivity*

on the Conservative Board.   Might be time for you to return.


Left leaning.

I am well aware that I am on a *left leaning* board; however, how can you ever possibly gain a true picture of real facts if you only visit left leaning sites?  It isn't possible. I don't do it. In fact, on the other political boards I post on, some left and some right, Daily Kos, Democratic Underground, News Max, Fox, are not used as sources. 


You misunderstand me about the Constitution and Iraq. 


The left really hates this guy
This is so laughable that with all that's going on the world the left stoops to National Enquirer style reporting. Get a life and a clue.
Why do you think everyone not for Bush is left?sm
I guess compared to those over on the conservative board, I am a little left. I was a registered Republican up until 4 years ago. Because their policies and actions conflict with my beliefs, I can no longer support the party. There are many many more just like me.
I think there is still dispute over even when they left sm
and why planes were allowed to come into US airspace to pick them up when all other aircraft were grounded. Also, why they were not questioned by FBI, etc.

Also, researchers requesting information from the FBI about their disposition with Osama, and were told that Osama is wanted by the FBI, but not for 911. So my question would be, well then who is?
Too bad folks, it's not just the left...sm
Like Lurker said, the gig is up! People are pushing for change in Iraq. Personally, I would have rather seen us release the full fury on terrorist who are invading that country and clean it up before leaving. However, if our strategy is to keep peddling around like street police then something has to give. We have our own country to fix and too much attention has been given to Iraq in the past 3 years.

On to the economy for a sec. Republicans have been boasting on how good the economy is doing, but guess which group is reaping the benefits. You guessed it - the rich. So sorry if the working man, you know those of us who punch the clock, are not feeling so thankful for the Dow and Nasdaq earnings. What's funny is that the *beltway boys* as AG calls them can not seem to figure out why 50% of Americans tend to feel the economy is not so hot.
What is typical of the left?
It kind of got lost in the point you were trying to make, something about Lurker not answering your question the way you wanted her to...or somethin' like that.
What I want to know is who left you in charge?
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Posters like this need to be left alone
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Would that be left or right bias?
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The left does it all the time.
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No, not at all...it started on the far left rag...
the dailykos. That is where it broke. And then the rest of the far left picked it up and ran with it.

I was the first to congratulate Obama on his renouncing of the behavior. But even with him saying that, his supporters continue the salvos at Palin's family. Big time Dem pundits on TV still taking shots at her. Blogs still taking shots at her. Posters on this board still taking shots at her. Now you take people who are not committed yet, they see this happening, and you are left with only two conclusions...either Barack was very serious and meant what he said (which I believe) and his followers and pundits and the media are still going to attack regardless; or that he just made that statement to take the political high road while all the time in the background he is saying "sic her." It has to be one of the two...but either way, if his supporters and big Dem pundits continue the attack it reflects badly on his candidacy. I realize that he cannot control what people do...but one would think they would heed what he says (they claim to believe everything he says) and just lay off...but, to each his own.
Has the left ever put "country first"?
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Left field is right!
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Chele, do you mean left?
I think it tends to lean left.
It would behoove the left...
not to attack Sarah Palin on issues that Obama/Biden have done the same things, only worse.  It doesn't help their cause.  Sigh.  And when did the race become Sarah Palin against Barack Obama?  lol.  He has been trying to diffuse this for a week.  "I am not running against Sarah Palin."  Well, the way his supporters are attacking her, it sure puts that focus on it and keeps pointing out the elephant in the room...that she actually does have more experience than he does.  Saw David Axelrod on TV this morning...new mantra is we are not running against Governor Palin.