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Wonderful post. I agree wholly with it.

Posted By: Backwards typist on 2009-02-06
In Reply to: Wrong, wrong, wrong, oh how very wrong - That's an insult

There are too many people in this country who have the attitude "It's my way or the highway".


The below quotes were sent to me by a friend. I didn't take time to look them up, so they are fair game for anyone who wants to take a shot at them. Sorry for the type style on them. I couldn't seem to make them smaller.






When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe. 


Thomas Jefferson


The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. 
Thomas Jefferson



It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world. 


Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. 
Thomas Jefferson



My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. 
Thomas Jefferson

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. 
Thomas Jefferson


The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. 
Thomas Jefferson



The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. 
Thomas Jefferson
 


To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. 
Thomas Jefferson

Very Interesting Quote 

In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802
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"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."




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Wonderful post! (nm)
  Hopefully our foreign policy will change for the better now.
Wow, now that was a wonderful post, how I wish.......sm
more people here, and everywhere, felt as you do. Just wonderful. I was feeling really low and reading that post made me feel good. thanks so much for posting, I have been trying to do the same, we can all love our country, our fellow Americans, and try to help out, no matter partisan politics. thanks again and GOD BLESS YOU! :P)
Wonderful post, Mystic. :-)

I especially liked Fear - Future Events Appearing Real.  Describes our so-called war on terror to a T.  We're warned repeatedly of the danger we encounter, yet nothing has been done to secure our borders, ports, or rail systems, and we've totally ignored the possibility of liquid bombs in our airports, even though their existence has been known for a very long time.  Why hasn't Bush implemented policies that truly would make us safer?


And I couldn't agree more about WE taking back the government.  I've often thought that those at the highest levels of government forgot just who their employers are.


Thank you very much for providing a firsthand view of how malevolent our government can be when faced with the threat of exposure of the truth.  I hope you filed a civil suit against them.  If not, you might want to consider hiring Cheney's new lawyer in the Plame case (Clinton's lawyer).  I wonder why he didn't hire Ted Olson again.  Either way, I wouldn't mind my tax dollars being used to prosecute a case aimed at exposing the truth.


http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001347.php


Another wonderful post, Teddy.

Obviously, no human being on earth can say with any degree of credibility that agnostics call out to Jesus when the time is near.  Nobody can possibly know what every other person on earth calls out, if anything. 


For some, peace comes from religion.  Others are able to find peace within themselves.  Some never find it.  Each person must follow their heart and brain and find the niche that works best for them. 


I guess Islamic fascists aren't the only ones who try to force their religion on everyone else.  The difference is that the United States isn't supposed to favor one religion over another.  We're supposed to be a nation that has religious freedom. 


This is especially dangerous during a time when war with religious fanatics is involved.  To pledge undying, unquestioning loyalty and support of Israel in political matters (even if some feel they have acted badly) soley for personal religious reasons (to insure one's place in heaven) is very dangerous to the United States and the rest of the world.  This is why politics and religion don't mix, and this is why the United States is becoming such a scary place.   :-(


Wonderful post and very truthful.

I read most of the posts but rarely post. When I do, it's because I think it's worth it (to post).


I feel the same way you, sam, sbMT and others feel about watching and keeping up on O's plans, who he's putting in power, etc. GP shocked me with her latest post. She was always level-headed and calming.


I am a registered 'pub but only once in my life voted a straight ticket. This election was no different. I voted for McC and Palin, but for senate and congress crossed party lines.


My husband doesn't believe there should be a 2-party system as this is what causes such hard feelings. There should not be a "R" or "D" listed behind the names of people running for office and should elect on their merits. That certainly would clean out some of the bullsh-----, lazy political figures who only care to fill their own pockets, and those who only try to bring the government to its knees. If this were to happen, we would have a better government


.....but then again, there will always be bashers who are (to me) the most unhappy people in the world and would never be satisfied with anything, who think their choices are THE WAY or NO WAY and you can't say anything against them because they are so rightous.


That's my 2 cents. Bash all you want but I won't answer the bashers because it's not worth the aggravation..


 


You did a wonderful thing, and I agree with your ultimatums, but....psm
Why do you, and many here, equate being a Democrat to be "weak, whiny, spendthrift, too soft," etc.? Personally, I agree with many of your points, and have always loved the proverb "Give a man a fish, he will eat for one day, teach him how to fish and he can feed himself all his life." But you are lumping together humanitarianism, altruism, etc., with being weak, stupid, socially backward, and perpetuating social ills, and that is not the case, or should I say, when government programs are working correctly with stringent oversight, this does not happen. I have voted Democrat because I believe in the party more than the alternative, but I am open to change, listen and watch and try to learn from each party, and am more Independent then anything. Being part of the Democratic party does not mean being a "bleeding heart liberal," and mmore than being a Republican means being totally cold, selfish, money-driven, fat cat, etc. This is all way too simplistic, and why the parties cannot communicate effectively or get anything done TOGETEHR. I am a Christian, I am very conservative on most social issues, but I am a human, humans are complex, and I am also socially conscious and aware, love the nation, love its people. Please, don't generalize quite so much, it is not good for the country to increase divisions.
I think you wrote a wonderful post; but the "giving money to the rich,"....sm
historically has been the rule of the day while the Republicans were in power, I think Mr. Cheney prospered the most during the Bush administration and his cronies. And I agree it is NOT a partisan thing, right is right, wrong is wrong, but at this point in time we have a new president who has only been in office a month; he is ambitious, forward-thinking, altruistic, decisive, and strong. I agree some of those programs SHOULD have been left out, but perhaps he had to make those concessions in order to get the more important social programs and reforms this country needs. He is tring to perform a MAMMOTH, HERCULEAN task, I respect him for it, and he deserves more of a chance than he is getting. I he has made many speeches saying that he proposes to hold more and more corporations and institutions ACCOUNTABLE for their actions and suffer consequences. Can we give him the time to do so? JMHO
What I meant was it was taken out of context from the site as a whole. It does not wholly reflect..

the philosophy of the website, only one soldier's opinion, and actually after looking at the bulk of the soldiers' comments on this website, it is not indicative of the general sentiment presented.  That is what I meant by out of context. 


I just have a problem with folks taking bits and pieces of a news story, quote, website and presenting a fragment of it as indicative of the overall sentiment.  But perhaps that was not your intention. 


I agree with your post, and I still think it's

possible to have an intelligent debate by both sides, but maybe just not on these particular boards unless you can just learn to sift through the posts that are less than informative.


Some of us came from another board, and there are a couple of posters from the other board who simply cannot tolerate views that are different from their own.  If they can't debate without resorting to personal attacks and have even "adjusted" the facts on occasion to fit their particular need to prove a point about how bad liberals are.


They attack in groups reminiscent of hornets, and then they routinely whine and complain to the administrator, stomping their feet like 2-year-olds, and their targets are either banned or messages like the one today from the administrator appear.


If we all stay on our own boards, of course, there's not much opportunity for debate because we all come from the general same place.  I saw an excellent post on the Conservative board by someone who intelligently set forth her views, without any personal swipes and/or attacks, without passing any judgment on anyone.  I didn't agree with some the poster's views, but I did compliment her on the excellent way in which she portrayed them.  I haven't seen any posts from her since, and even though I don't agree with her, I would love to see some more of her posts because I learned something from it.  That particular poster definitely gained my respect.  I hope the few who don't command much respect didn't chase her away.  I noticed that none of them even bothered to acknowledge her post, and she seemed to be just as conservative as they were. People with thoughtful, intelligent posts like hers, unfortunately, are few and far between and are overrun by the negative juvenile ones, as I'm sure you can see just from visiting both boards. I hope she reads this post and decides to visit this board.


This is our country, and a lot of us think it's in a huge mess.  Whether we're Conservatives or Liberals or somewhere in between, it's up to us to each think independently and speak for ourselves, even in a forum such as this, and to question what we perceive as right/wrong, explain it in an intelligent, coherent, truthful manner, and debate it in a healthy, nonjudgmental way.  If we can't even do that on the most basic of forums like this, we might be in deeper trouble than any of us could have thought.


I agree and I put a post about it above.
I don't agree with the attacks on the children themselves, but if you don't want the world questioning what kind of a parent you are or how you can handle it, don't advertise yourself as the "PTA, hockey mom." That's great, now let me know how you plan to do it all. I'm curious about it more than anything else as I am still undecided.

I don't think it is sexist to ask how. Is her husband going to quit working and be a full-time stay-at-home dad, or are they going to have a nanny. I am not saying that a nanny is wrong and a lot of dad's stay at home with the kids now, which I think is great. I just want to know. Asking the question to Biden is ridiculous as his children are grown. I believe Obama has already answered it, or his wife has because she has said she is the primary caregiver.
I agree with your post

What would be the harm in teaching creationalism in school?  Just as most apparently see no harm in teaching evolution.  Teach them both, let the kids decide what they believe.


My personal belief is creationalism, but this is not the issue of my post, I just don't see what the harm is in teaching both sides and letting the kids decide for themselves, after having all the facts...


Other than this, I agree 100% with your post, including the part about the pregnant daughter.  I feel more comfortable knowing that Palin is facing the same issues *real* people face every day. She and Senator McCain most definitely have my vote!


I agree with this post 100%.
Like I said before, female George Bush.
I agree with your post.

It's not all his fault that this country is the way it is. Although I wished he could have done a better job, he did the best he could with all the people that were against him.


I listened to a speech he made from the heart a few months ago and he came through very truthful and caring. It was not one of the stupid speeches for him that makes him look dumb.


I wish this stupid partisan politics would be banned but, of course, it won't. As long as the house and senate continue to fight among themselves and against the president (and I don't care who the president is), we are still going to be in a mess.


As long as the media keeps taking sides, we will only ever see the bad of the party they don't like.


As long as people don't research to try to find their own solution on whom to vote for, they will pick a president that is their own party.


A phone call to Doug Dougan yesterday by a lady stated that all her Jewish friends were voting for Obama because they didn't care for McCain. That is the stupidest reason to vote for a candidate. They don't care about the issues, just that they don't like McCain. If other people feel like this, then heaven help us. We'll have to do quite a bit of praying Nov. 4.


McCain is coming to our area on Monday. I called to get tickets yesterday and they were gone already! That's how much people around here care to listen to the issues. Did the O or Biden come here? Nope. Doubt that they will. The last presidential candidate that came to this area was JFK in his first run for president.


I agree with your post.

Parents don't know how to parent today. My grandson, who just turned 1 is already taking hissy fits if he doesn't get his way; i.e., wants to be held by only mom and dad, wants to get into things that he shouldn't, etc. What do they do? Coax and cajole. No time outs for the fits and of course, grandparents don't know what they're talking about when suggesting things to do.My DIL is mad at me cause I opened my mouth and said "no" to the baby.


I fear more for my grandson's generation than I do my son's, and I also have 2 GC's old enough to vote. Don't know for who but I can guess..


Agree with your post. So sad how
uninformed voters are, even to the point of voting for Obama and thinking Palin was his running mate. Agree also with MLK and coattails. MLK did not promote abortion, telling his own granddaughter it was murder of a life. I don't see how they share much in the way of personal philosophy. On posts below mention is made of McCain's adultery. Well, from what I have heard, Mrs. King also had her burdens to deal with as many of us have. This falls under personal and is not for us to judge. Not judging someone is incredibly hard. Now we need to get back to the job of being Americans and relish the joy and freedom of knowing in another 4 years we have the right to do this all over again. So, it is time for us to skip the kool-aid and start making lemonade.
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I agree, well done post!
Very, very well said!  I agree 100%.
I agree the Lurker's above post is right on...
My post was to say that the pat answer of Reps to Dems who disagree with Bush is to call them nuts, morons or haters.  That's all I was saying.  For Heavens' sake, Lurker is most definitely RIGHT ON!  Do you think any of these rednecks would take this from Clinton!?  Hell NO!!
I agree with M Obama - here is my post

This is the message I said I would post here.


In reply to the Clinton’s had nothing to do with the last 8 years.  This is absolutely correct, but the Clinton administration was just as bad before that.  The Clinton years were the worst of my adult life (and my friends and family who are staunch democrats).  So we’ve actually had 16 years of garbage for Presidents (20 if you consider Bush Sr.).  Government grew and paychecks shrunk.  Promises broken, tax increases (with the Clinton administration).  The Clintons did nothing for the middle income people.  Their “1% wealthiest” friends continued to receive more benefits.  Our families friends were losing their houses and had to go back to living with their parents as they could no longer afford to live anymore.  I think a lot of people forget the following:


 


Somalia – another unnecessary war


Kosovo – another unnecessary war


Elian Gonzales


Receiving money funded from china (treasonous tradeoffs I think it was called) for his re-election


Bill & Hillary stating they never heard of people (criminals who gave them money) when indeed they have pictures.


Hillary’s financial and other records sealed so nobody would find out the stuff she did (why?)


Monica Lewinski


Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Kathleen Wiley, Juanitta Broderick, etc, etc,


Vince Foster (untimely passing)


Ron Brown (untimely passing)


Hillary pulls Bill off of D. Morris as Bill is getting ready to punch him in the face yelling at him “Bill, think about what your doing”.  Then walked around telling D. not to say anything to anyone.


Numerous times secret service had to pull Hillary of Bill


Hillary’s foul language


Hillary’s “female” relationships


Bill’s “female” relationships


Lying under oath


Impeached


Decimating our military within two weeks of being elected


Whitewater


Ban lifted on gays in the military


They destroyed and stole white house furniture and artifacts on their way out.  Urinated on carpets, walls, etc.  It was a real mess to clean up.


 


And those are only a few of the highlights of the Clinton administration.  She wants to take credit for anything good that happened, then she better take credit for the bad too.  Especially when she was running the show while Billy was off with his girlfriends.


 


They are both a couple of criminals and should have gone to jail for half the stuff they did.  So while the last eight years have been bad, the previous eight were just as bad. - And all my MIL can say to me is.... "oh but he's so good looking".


 


As does ANY post that doesn't 100% agree with
Then she flies into this total tizzy and starts pounding out these 'War-and-Peace'-length novels, filled with all her little clips and quotes. She's so hell-bent to be RIGHT all the time, that it actually works in the opposite way, and causes the reader to believe she's a little TOO DESPERATE about being right all the time. Someone needs meds.
Good post! I agree with you both!!!!!!

I agree, Lu. Thanks for your post. I added one
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I agree with part of your post.

I believe most people WANT socialism because they think it will save them and protect them from all the bad things in the world. Just think, free healthcare, free gas, free homes.


I could go on and on, but I have to leave. Pooch wants to go play in the garage. If she doesn't get her way, she starts moaning and groaning.


I agree with you...good post -sm
Unfortunately the rest of them on here can't even comprehend what you said.  Now they are going on about not working?  Good grief! 
I personally don't agree with your post here.

Many of us on this board don't mind helping those who are trying to help themselves and just need a little help.  However, I do have a problem supporting and paying for people who refuse to work, educate themselves, etc.  If they aren't willing to try, why should we have to pay for them.  That is the problem.  If we were really all in it together, that would be different but you have people on one side who don't want to work and just want a free ride and you have the other side that is trying to work to support themselves but are told we should support the people who don't want to work either.  That is just crap. 


So don't say I lack compassion.  I have compassion for people who are trying and need help.  However, I have no compassion for lazy weasels who would rather get a check in the mail for doing nothing than actually work a day in their life and earn their own way. 


I agree - I don't even need to see rest of post. nm
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What a great post!! I totally agree with everything you said.

Anyone who knows me personally knows that when Bush was running for President in 2000, I told everyone I know that if he's elected, we'll find ourselves at war with Iraq.  Nobody believed me.


It's ironic that the reason DIDN'T vote for him in 2004 was the very same reason I didn't vote for him in 2000:  I was against war with Iraq.


What is particularly troubling about all this is that Bush appeared to use the tragedy of 9/11 to justify his war against Iraq.


It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find that this war will eventually be deemed as an illegal war.


We don't know what al Quaeda will do next.  Wouldn't surprise me to discover that they were part of the "hacking" team that got ahold of everyone's credit card numbers the other day.


If Bush cares so much about America, he could begin to show it by monitoring our borders. He's been incredibly negligent in that regard.


He promised he would not impose a draft. Yet, recruitment goals haven't been met for several months now. If I had a child of that age, I certainly would try to talk him/her out of joining the military.  The government has proven they lie to soldiers, hold reservists hostage, fail to provide adequate equipment to protect soldiers, etc., etc., etc! He will have to bring back the draft, and we can add that to the gazillion lies he's told.


I think your post was great, and I particularly enjoyed the one regarding Hitler that you wrote above.  You nailed it!!!



I agree excellent post! One that has to make one think.
I own Mississippi Burning. Good movie.
I agree. I do not post to change minds that...
cannot be changed. However, a lot of people come here to read and never post, and I think people should see both sides of an issue posted. You can't make an informed decision with only one side of things...or you shouldn't. That is what America is about. Thanks for your post!
I agree - have never read one post of racism
In fact the total opposite.
Excellent post and very well said. I couldn't agree with you more. nm
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I agree - Where in the world did racism come into this post?
I am also a non-racist Christian who questions Obama's religious beliefs. Please explain how you got anything racist out of her posts?
Great post, Chele. I agree. Besides,

parents have to consent to ANY OTHER procedure for the child, why would this be any different? 


Abortion is a horrible, horrible thing that is used by Planned Parentood to make money and used as birth control. 


Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedly...m,

Extremely well-stated post! I agree with you 100%
Most importantly, it was YOUR decision, along with your doctor. It was NOT the decision nor the business of anyone else.

Hats off to you!
Great post, MT! I totally agree with you,
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Agree...great post. Please come back and share...sm
your ideas.
Great post, Chele... totally agree.nm
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I agree, Kaydie. Great post!!! Thank you for serving
the USA.  My family and I appreciate you!
I agree, corrected myself in a post below. I shouldn't have added that part as a factor nm
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I agree with poster below. Don't even waste your time reading the post. - Sarcastic and utter no
Oh brother - get real.
Wonderful
Wow!  We agree!  Wonderful.  :O)
Thank you for such a wonderful

contribution to this board.


Have a pleasant day.


Wonderful? For who? Certainly not

the American people.


Slick and glib speaker. Yes.


Too good to be true? Yes.


Loving father and husband? Yes.


Cool as a cucumber? Yes.


Good for our country? NO. Unless you want to live like the Cuban and Russian people.


WONDERFUL????
I support abortion rights 100%. Do I think it is wonderful, no, but I think it is a personal choice. Strange choice of words you used...
thank you for that wonderful
youtube of our pledge of allegiance where it says, just like I said above, one NATION under God.  Not one America as you so incorrectly typed above.  Thanks for proving me right though.  Kudos!
This is wonderful.
Finally, some good news on the domestic jobs front. Thanks for posting.
Wonderful news
So glad your husband is home. I know you must be thrilled. My brother-in-law came home right before Christmas to 4 kiddos and my sister who missed him terribly. He was in Kuwait years ago and just finished his second tour in Iraq. I think he is retiring soon.

However, he doesn't support the war and now votes (mostly) democrat. I think he and my sis are fighting beween Obama and Hillary :-)
It would be wonderful if it was that simple....
so let's just make it REAL simple. If you want on SCHIP, you have to pay an additional 3% off the top in your income taxes. Democrats in Congress want to expand it, 3% off the top of all their salaries from now on to fund it. That would probably take care of it for years to come. If not, then start down the registered Democrats' tax rolls and if they favor the program, 3% off the top of their salaries to pay for it. Don't force it on people who are not going to use it, who pay their own premiums, to pay for it. Let those who want to expand it fund it. Simple as that. Sounds fair to me.