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Posted By: OPINIONS? probably. nm on 2009-04-18
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Even in these reports
waterboarding and applying electric currents to body parts is defined as torture. Latter was not mentioned in the report, but it was done in Abu Ghraib, we saw the pictures.
These tortures were done on prisoners of whom 'there was sufficient suspicion of having connections to Al-Quaida.' Suspicion? Does this justify torture? Of all immates in Abu Ghraib 90% were innocent. Can you imagine being innocent and being tortured to death, as they have nothing to confess?
Soldiers Garner and England were definitely sadists.
This is not something new or exaggerated - see these old reports ---
http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/pollack070306.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5185887
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0510/17/A01-351179.htm
This was started back in the 80s and until recently there was no limit for how long you could draw the money. The $31 - well, each article brings up that amount of money and none of them say that includes benefits... they say they are paid that per hour - and playing games - yes, each article talks about the pay per hour, the wastefulness of being able to sit there day after day (the limit now is 2 years per person), but it is still wasteful! Yes, help them, but the rest of us draw unemployment at a reduced rate of pay and then only for 26 weeks or so...
why does everybody think those people are so special? You all fuss about spreading the wealth from the rich to the poor, but you sure don't give a darn about us poor folks who are busting our butt spreading what little bit we have to the rich ---
I for one am darn sick of it!!!
You must have missed the reports about
who all was in the audience and how he only invited the folks that he believes have supported him (AKA AGREED with him) over his presidency. Guess O just did't measure up to the criteria for that elite fraternity.
Current Rasmussen Reports
Poll shows Obama leading 260 electoral votes to McCain 167 votes. If you take the "likely states" the votes change to Obama 300, McCain 174.
Rasmussen has lots of interesting polls on its site, for what they are worth, but it is interesting to watch them change week-to-week and some of them even day-to-day.
www.rasmussenreports.com
they copied those reports from other papers -
the same report was in LA times, the Anchorage Daily News, American Power, Political Affairs, not just on those one-sided sites -
Sorry, I was just posting the obvious that SP was not qualified as a leader of the military just because she is over the Alaskan National Guard when they are not activated. It does not matter where that news comes from - it is still true.
Bush ignored the intelligence reports.
The attack most likely had been planned for a long time, but Bush and his cronies ignored all of the intelligence reports they received that indicated that a huge attack using airplanes was imminent. If he wants credit for keeping us safe since 9/11, he has to take credit for not keeping us safe on 9/11!
I hope you don't think I got those reports from the Media?
They came directly from the minutes of those debates, not the media.
Maybe you should read government reports
I posted a lot of links a while back about the economy and terrorism prior to O becoming president.
Clinton knew the terrorists were getting ready for an attack, but just didn't know how and when it would happen. He could have stopped it, had he had GOOD information from the CIA, FBI. Those two groups were part of the reason we were attacked. They didn't work together or share information. There were plenty of warnings. He also knew there were WMDs in Iraq. It's in the report, but he didn't do anything about it and, in the meantime, Saddam tested his WMDs on his own people, killing thousands.
Clinton also did not leave such a large surplus. He and the accounting office cooked the books to make it look good. There was a surplus but not near as much as Clinton stated.
Global warming...I don't believe it. This is a natural happening every so many decades. It will turn around on its own in its own time. Part of the so-called global warming is the people. There are too many people in the world. People breathe in oxygen and give off carbon dioxide. Without trees, we're in trouble. Sounds dumb, but if you want to point fingers, point to the Amazon and destroying the rain forests. Prior to the Amazon forests being destroyed at the rate they are today, there was no problem.
Making peace instead of war doesn't work with terrorists. You have to "walk softly and carry a big stick." O is trying to charm them into peace and we all know that won't work. You have to be ruthless with them or else they will think the US is a pushover. If O wants to keep our country safe, he has to be a combination of FDR, JFK, Reagan, and both Bush's.
Instead of O going on talk shows and joking around, he should have his finger on the pulse of Washington and bring his congress and senate in line. They are so out of control, it's ridiculous. He has to stay in the WH or, before he knows it, those power mongers will be in power, not him (of course, that has already happened).
If O wants to turn this country around, he needs to let the people do it on their own. Government can't solve everybody's problems. People need to solve their own problems. Money doesn't solve any problems, it just creates more. More social programs that we can't pay for doesn't solve problems. It creates a society that depends on the government for all its needs. That's not the American way. If businesses fail, so be it. If banks fail, so be it. You can't prop up those failures by throwing money at them...as you well know, most of those failures are caused by inept CEOs. Remember Dodge, Cadillac, Studebaker, Rambler, etc.? Those businesses failed. GM and Chrylster absorbed some, but not all. The rest died. Did the world come to an end because of it? No.
As for the rest, small banks are gobbled up by large banks. Should they? No. It causes a monopoly and when that happens, that's a problem. Comcast is the largest cable company in the country. How did it get that way? By gobbling up the smaller ones. If I wanted to leave Comcast, I couldn't because there is no other cable company in this area. I am FORCED to have Comcast if I want internet service. There is no free enterprise when companies become conglomerates.
Oh shucks, some will understand what I'm saying, others will still keep their rose-colored glasses on and believe government will solve all our problems. NOT.
Fox news web site reports over 700 dead. sm
It was a sunni attack on sunnis and it's more than likely retaliation for the constitution. Iraq is definitely headed toward cival war.
Protect us???? He did not listen to all the Intelligence Reports....sm
that a large-scale attack was imminent, his Daddy lit the flame by going over to Iraq the first time to secure Daddy Bush's and his friend's oil interests there, they did not care a FIG about the poor Kuwaitis! We are more hated as a nation now, because of the Bush policies, than we have EVER been in history, and instead if his getting Bin Ladin, as he vowed, he helped the Bin Ladin family living in LA to escape the country becaue of the wrath of the people. Speaking of Kool-Aid? Blind pubs must have bought the factory and have been living on the stuff the past 8 years, unbelievable!
Fed reports economy continued to deteriorate
Gee, I'd been wondering why we were paying the big bucks to these Fed officials and now I know. So they can tell us things we could have told them (for a lot less money, too).
Perhaps we should call the Fed "MOOSE" (the Ministry For Obvious Official Statements on the Economy)? You can see now why we needed Palin, who knows how to field dress a moose.
...and then there was Obama the other day telling Congress not to spend too much money. In case you didn't catch what I just said, this was Mr. Super-Deficit Obama, telling Congress they should watch the spending.
I think that the White House has been listening to the national backlash on Daddy MoreBucks' drunken spending spree, and wants to have something they can float during Obama's next campaign to show how fiscally responsible he is. Certainly, there's no connection between what he says and what he does.
But wait - we're already seeing Obama's next campaign, aren't we? The man never stops campaigning.
Thanks. Was going to mention there's a special "monitor" board for reports.
Hope it works!!
Funny it's okay to post inflammatory reports about Bush (nm)
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Are you reading the same thing I am reading? sm
Did you read Mein Kampf? Would that be good enough evidence for you, because he wrote about it in there. Good grief, you people won't admit when you are wrong and frankly, that is pretty darned frightening!
We didn't receive moronic reports like this back then. Let me explain.
This report is so broad and covers so many perfectly harmless individuals and so many perfectly legitimate political beliefs that it is not actionable. It's stupid because it's useless, and that's why it would have been laughed out of the squad room. This wasn't "intelligence"; it was amateurish gibberish - and it wouldn't have done one thing to prevent McVeigh's actions, if for no other reason that every cop in Oklahoma City would have been tied up watching the wrong people - perhaps you, for instance.
I'd say 70% of the people in America share at least one of the "issues" that this report enumerates as portending extremism. That's what makes it rubbish, and that's also what makes it alarming.
I'm not reading it and here's why. SM
*Breaking News from the Progressive Community* is not exactly unbiased now is it?
Yes, and while you are reading it...
look very closely at "here is where things get murky. Bill CLinton, Sandy Berger, and Richard Clarke all denied..."
Good grief. Bill Clinton committed felony perjury. Yes, i am going to believe him...NOT. Sandy "socks" Berger...am I going to believe him...not hardly. Richard Clarke...you have GOT to be kidding. The man who confessed that HE was the one who first outed Valerie Plame.
Factcheck.org left a lot out of their fact checking. And saying it doesn't matter anyway because they couldn't prove he had not done anything wrong yet...the three above obviously aren't concerned about truth. Fact remains, he had the chance, he did not take it, and if bin laden had been in jail or a CIA prison somewhere he could not have plotted and financed 9-11.
Nice try, but I don't buy it. Didn't then, don't now.
Okay, Sam, I did some reading....
I read your response and I thought maybe I don't know the difference so I went looking and everything I can find makes those two out to be the same thing...
**McCain has made opposition to pork-barrel spending a central theme of his 2008 campaign. "Earmarking deprives federal agencies of scarce resources, at the whim of individual members of Congress," McCain has said.
**Three times in recent years, McCain's catalogs of "objectionable" spending have included earmarks for this small Alaska town, requested by its mayor at the time -- Sarah Palin.
**"So while Sen. McCain was going after cutting earmarks in Washington," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, "Gov. Palin was going after getting earmarks."
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,2482434.story
Now, I am sorry, but to me they are the same thing. Again, as I have said before, I am not being hateful - I am truly trying to grasp what the difference is.
Reading what he says is..
more enjoyable than listening to him. I sometimes want to listen to what he has to say, but he sounds so whiney and preachy I can't stand it. He's kind of way out there, but I do see his point on some things. So, thanks for posting the link.
And yet....there you are reading...LOL.
You guys are so petty its ridiculous.
Oh, believe you me not into reading about her
I saw this on CNN's front page as I scanned over some stories. Let me explain why you think she scares the loonies. Anyone who does not seem to have the intelligence of a dingbat and yet has people voting for her because of her looks, her clothing, whatever the cause was, now that is the scary part.I answered email from lady in Tennessee, a bible-thumping rightwinged holy-roller and she was almost scary in her adoration of Palin. From her first news interviews (well, the 1 or 2 that she actually did, the camp tried to keep her under lock and key) I certainly thought what in the world was that old white only mostly repubs trying to do. I never thought she was any kind of political heavy and now with her tit and TAT back and forth with her almost son-in-law, just proves it even further. I fully think before long they will be more at each other's throats with lawsuits and what have you. Just sitting back watching the implosion.
Have you not been reading? NO I SM
DO NOT SUPPORT my son in this lifestyle. I made that plain. If there are kids who have been killed by homosexuals and not getting any press, that is the fault of the press, not your fault or mine. I agree there is an agenda to push homosexuality down our throats. I don't want it. By the same token, AGAIN, there are homosexuals being killed because they are homosexuals. Are the kids being killed because they are kids or because the sickos (whether straight or homosexuals) just want to kill them, anybody, child adult whatever.
I do not say anything because I have a son who is homosexual, he knows how I feel and his father and I make no bones about it so you have no right to even come across like that lady. I do not have my head in the sand. I believe my son is committing a sin. He does not bring that lifestyle around his father and I or the rest of his family.
Hmmmmmmm let me guess, you are one of the parents who would disown your child because he was gay? Would you disown him for any other sin or would you tell him you don't want taht around you and make sure he knows exactly how you feel.
You are a hippocrit Patty!
I cannot believe that I'm reading such
ignorance as I am from some of you people. You talk about how torturing terrorists is serious and how horrible. Poor wittle terrorists.....tear. Yet you seem to forget that these terrorists want YOU dead and would sooner cut your head off than look at you. Give me a break and spare me your pathetic comments. I'm done talking to you terrorist sympathizers. God forbid any of these terrorists should bomb any place you are at because you might think differently when you are being blown up...that is if you have the time to think about it. Goodnight. I'm tired of this BS.
Actually, the way I am reading it is the media is DOING it. SM
Looking for some dirt. That's the way I read the article. Time will tell I guess.
reading my mind too?
LMAO! Nope, I dont care, not at all, LOL, gee you are able to read peoples minds too, hun? Attack number one trillion against gt, LOL.
Yes! Reading your posts is EXACTLY like that!
How insightful of you (as opposed to your customary *incitefulness*).
Try reading this site. SM
You might also learn what actions of the prostestors during VN had on the soldiers who fought there then, just as they are now.
I am looking forward to reading
Stephen Colbert's book "I am America and so can you." I got a little preview this morning on Tim Russert. It promises to be a delicious, laugh-out-loud satire.
to mtstudent. I have been reading
your posts with interests and I can't help but feel this is way more personal than just principle. I guess I am partly to blame if someone close to you has gone to jail for breaking the law, because I am one of those wanting stricter laws or at least enforcement of the ones we have. and I don't want to see any more cops punished for upholding the laws. I regret it and cringe everytime I hear one of them is no better than than those he arrests because it makes it hard on the plentiful good cops out there. It has not escaped my attention that you repeatedly refer to the "poor black men". Excuse me? I am afraid blacks don't hold the title to this one. There are plenty of poor men and women in jail. I do feel sorry for a lot of them - I also feel sorry for people who did not have enough sense to stay away from drugs and screwed up their lives and for especially for those families who have tried to help them and failed at great price. I also feel sorry for the children they leave behind without parenting or for the lack of parenting they themselves may not have had. I also feel sorry for people with maxed out credit card debt who can't seem to claw their way back out. I was almost one of them, but never again. We thought back in the 60's that education about sex, birth control and drugs was the answer and apparently, we were dead wrong. I just don't see any improvement at all. Noted the comments about abortion and such on this very board, but no one brings up the fact some people don't want abortion or birth control, because it is a pay raise everytime they have another kid. I am afraid that is our fault as a society even though we thought they needed help at the time, it apparently has bred a whole nother way of thinking that was unforeseen and had led to apathy, laziness and greed. Yeah, I know it helped plenty, but there are certainly plenty of stories about single mother who raised 6 to 8 kids alone working 2 to 3 jobs and ended up with a houseful of lawyers and doctors and such. I know one such woman myself with 8 kids who has never been on welfare. It is a matter of pride with her and I applaud her for it. Honestly, I don't know how she did it when their father either was on the street dealing or in jail. In fact, she had to buy groceries as needed because he would break in and steal food from their kids. It just kinda bothers me you seem to have sympathy for only the poor black men of this country and I can only surmise there is a far more personal event going on here. I am sorry for your personal misery, but we have to get a handle on the drugs in this country instead of building them a highway from Mexico to deliver them on.
Are you reading the tabloids? You
can't possibly believe that story...and if you do, it just proves how gullible many people are.
Exactly what I said below......smut reading
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It's too bad you stopped reading...sm
Sam brings up valid, positive points, and those on the left turn her off, rather than listen to the truth, because it comes from her.
She isn't bitter at all. It always sounds like the left is, when dealing with her, rather than listen to the truth, even when you expounded so much on the facts. If the facts bear up the right, they must not be facts, are therefore ignored.
Anything of substance she's reading from the
She is very nervous obviously.
after reading this, I qualify what I said above...
Obama is not a communist YET. He is in the socialist stage.
A course in reading comprehension
would not be a bad thing. Read all my posts and I have said I would rather take a chance on Obama than McCain. Furthermore, I had said that I would vote AGAINST McCain, never FOR Obama. Think what you want. I don't deal in smoke screens. I say what I mean and mean what I say. Again, I would prefer an Obama administration over a McCain administration....true. What I would really like to see is a Lou Dobbs type person, a voice of reason in the White House. Count on it........I will write in Lou Dobbs and I KNOW that is a wasted vote but I am voting my conscience......the best any of us can do.
No the election has not been held. Bad times ahead either way.........McCain has incited hatred of Obama..........if McCain wins....think Black Power and how unhappy they're going to be. A no win situation. I FEAR blood shed either way.
So there ya go..........any questions?
Reading comprehension
I SAID see how rumors get started. Draw your own conclusions. When references are cited, yes, I believe them once I have checked them out.
VOTING FOR LOU DOBBS!!!!!
what part of reading don't you get?
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I have been reading this post with
interest; amazing how we can agree on a lot of points. The comment from gp about old time democrats is often heard here, the trouble is that the parties have more or less changed places. The image of a guntoting bible thumping redneck used to be a bubba in his pickup who was a democrat, now it is a republican. From what I have been listening to the last year or so on late night and daytime radio, you are right, we are all screwed. supposedly, there are 350,000 UN troups already in place here. I believe they will be used to gather up all the guns. After that, we are sitting ducks like Australia, whose crime rate escalated over 300% the first year alone. We already have states who have made it against the law to defend yourself or children in your own home. Amazing. We have not been involved enough the last 20-30 years with our children's education, happily leaving it to others who mostly happen to be liberals. I understand a religious person can never hope to attain a spot somewhere like the Smithsonian; they are all agnostics now. Just saying what I have heard; can't verify. I am very afraid the wagons have already been circled and we just did not know we were in the center. Starting to suspect stronger each day that the whole election is a set up that goes back decades; they were just waiting for the star of the show to come along (Obama), not even that sure about McCain anymore. Furious over the bailout. Think how Clinton pardoned Ayers, how much he and O reportedly can't stand each other, yet he and H are out campaigning for him for the Party, of course. Death penalty: I suspect a lot more of us would be happy with Life meaning life imprisonment as opposed to death sentence, if it were really a life sentence and not a few years instead. Well, this election is almost over; my hopes are not very high given all the current events. Like an old friend used to say, "I just don't know what's to become of us all". Keep up the interesting posts, ladies.
Try reading up on a subject
See post under sam's blather.
I loved reading that
I still don't understand why Obama singled out Pennsylvanians with those statements. Does anybody know why who follows this stuff "religiously" (dare I use the word)?
Reading your posts
I do not see the intelligence, much less the literacy.
and why was that worth reading?
I got nothing from that except that it is one more person who does not like Obama.
There was nothing in there that was not just one person's personal viewpoint - an obvious McCain supporter.
Me too! That was great reading. nm
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Get your reading glasses
and examine the document for yourself. I do believe Factcheck is pretty reliable. You are not going to accept anything short of Obama being declared a non-citizen and that just ain't gonna happen.
Not sure what Bible you are reading........... sm
but the quote I posted (paraphrased) is actually attributed to Joseph Dunniger. Correctly quoted, it reads "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation will suffice."
Talk about needing to check one's sources! 
you're not reading this right
He has said repeatedly that we need to end tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. That being said, what he is emphasizing here is the need for the up-and-coming generation to be better educated to compete on a more global level. His main point is we need a better education system. He isn't talking about shipping your job to India. Heavens knows that has been happening long before Obama was elected.
Am I reading this wrong?
I read it 3 times and it's not sinking in. I have emphasized parts below.
"It might be hard to convince large numbers of people to voluntarily pay more in taxes. This is where the Peterson Foundation comes in. They are spending huge amounts of money trying to convince young people that they are being ripped off by their parents and grandparents. They are even promoting front groups of young people to advance this effort.
With his billion dollars, Peterson could convince a huge number of gullible young people to tax advantage of the intergenerational equity tax credit. Insofar as he is successful in this effort, he can help to generate billions of dollars that can be used for items like health care, preschool education, and other pressing needs.
So, let's join efforts with Mr. Peterson and encourage his followers to take advantage of the Peter G. Peterson Intergenerational Fairness Tax Credit. There is a word for taking money from willfully ignorant young people who would deny their parents and grandparents the Social Security and Medicare benefits they need to survive: justice. "
Is this a farce or is this writer serious???? If he's serious, then I know why our local paper call-in line has a lot of people calling to complain about senior citizens living "high off the hog." My mother, who worked 48 years, got a whole $500 a month SS and that includes 1/2 of my dad's. My husband has worked 46 years and paid in $45,212 to SS and $10,275 Medicare. He will be getting between $1167 to $1561 a month SS between the ages of 62 and 65. If he lives until he is 90 which I doubt, he will have collected $35,040, which is a little more than what he earns net every year, yet his taxable income for SS came out over $648,000 since age 16. I worked 2 years less than my hubby and will only get $700-$1000 (comes from women making less than men) because I had no earnings for a year and they knocked me down from $1000 a month to $200 a month in SS, so it took me almost 10 years to get back up there. That's a rip off if you ask me.
BTW, I do hope everyone checks their SS Statement when it comes. I found plenty of mistakes on them between hubby and mine and had to get them corrected.
say something worth reading
You are BORING with your same rants day after day. Especially when they were already discussed on last nights news. I'm not wasting my time. Have fun, I guess?
Reading your post
You sound just as bad as the ones you call ignorant and nasty, just on the other end. I am intelligent, definitely not backwoods, and definitely not hateful or nasty, but Jesus Christ is still my Lord and Savior. Choosing to follow Christ is a spiritual, INTELLECTUAL, and emotional experience. All three have to be involved.
I stayed out of this "gay" argument because it's useless. But I feel I need to say something about a few things you pointed out.
First - Sodom and Gomorrah - It is very clear in Genesis 18 and 19 that the main sin of S&G was homosexuality. When the angels visited S&G, a group of men accosted them at Lot's house and wanted them to come out so they could "know" them. Now you may say "well that just means they wanted to know who they were" but in the next verse Lot offers his daughters to the men so they might leave the visitors alone. Clearly if they all lived in the same town they already knew who Lot's daughters were, and had no reason to meet them, if that is what "know" meant (King James Version).
You are absolutely right. You can take a verse out of the Bible and twist it anyway you want. Which is why it needs to be read in context.
Second, marriage was created as a representation of the relationship of God with the church (church being a group of people, not a building). The first marriage was Adam and Eve, by God Himself.
And last but not least, this hatred and spewing issue.
God does not, has not, and never will give us the right to be nasty to others. Jesus Christ COMMANDED us to love our "enemies". If anyone on here is professing to be a Christian and in the same breath being hateful or ugly, they need to check themselves NOW.
However, just stating an oppositional opinion is not hate or bigotry. But it should be done politely and without name-calling. There is a way to debate topics without being hateful!
I think the reason homosexuality and abortion gets attacked so much from "crazy delusional bible-thumpers" as some put it, is because it is so out in the open, and so socially accepted. What to do about that, I don't know.
It is unfair to ask us as Christians to take our faith off when we are outside our homes or churches though. It is not a cloak we can remove whenever we want. It is inside us, it is our life, and we have just as much right to live it and follow the commandments of our God then any other person in this country.
As for people saying that they have it shoved down their throats, I highly doubt it. If someone comes to the door and you don't want to hear it, just politely say "no thanks!". Or better yet, leave a note on your door that you don't want to hear it if you want!
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you try to witness to someone or talk to them about Jesus and they don't want to hear it, SHUT UP. It doesn't do any good to push.
I don't agree with the ugly words and name-calling, but I have to say you did quite a bit of it in this post yourself, which I took offense to. Two wrongs don't make a right!
That being said, I understand you were upset and venting, so it's cool, but I would appreciate it if you could drop a few of the "delusionals," "twisted" and "backwoods" comments :)
Reading this crap is what
Why do you call him the messiah? Can't anyone do a good job without your sour grapes bubbling over?
Your posts make me sick. If Obama stood on his head and spit out wooden nickels, you would somehow find fault with that and post some inflammatory statement about it. That's what is SICK.
Spending..AND not even reading what they are
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