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Whether Rush is disabled or not, who cares?...sm

Posted By: Democrat on 2006-10-30
In Reply to: Well, if he has cochlear implants he is not disabled. I - Lurker

He has positioned himself as a no holes barred blowhard showing his insensitivity to other's disabilities and now you are expected to come on here and be sensitive to his *disabilities* (like being an addict..ha). Like you said those in glass pill bottles (i.e., houses), should be careful to throw stones. He apologized, but has continued to justify his comments (any new news?)

Saw MJF in a news conference and he had tremors and to the audience he joked, *I'm not supposed to be talking to you unless I'm not shaking.*

He's chalked it up to ignorance and so should everyone else.


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This speaks volumes and is one of the saddest and most disgusting things I've read in a long time about the administration of compassionate conservatism.   


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An Army of one wrong recruit


Autism - The signing of a disabled Portland man despite warnings reflects problems nationally for military enlistment

Sunday, May 07, 2006
MICHELLE ROBERTS
The Oregonian

Jared Guinther is 18. Tall and lanky, he will graduate from Marshall High School in June. Girls think he's cute, until they try to talk to him and he stammers or just stands there -- silent.


Diagnosed with autism at age 3, Jared is polite but won't talk to people unless they address him first. It's hard for him to make friends. He lives in his own private world.


Jared didn't know there was a war raging in Iraq until his parents told him last fall -- shortly after a military recruiter stopped him outside a Southeast Portland strip mall and complimented him on his black Converse All Stars.


When Jared first started talking about joining the Army, I thought, 'Well, that isn't going to happen,' said Paul Guinther, Jared's father. I told my wife not to worry about it. They're not going to take anybody in the service who's autistic.


But they did. Last month, Jared came home with papers showing that he not only had enlisted, but also had signed up for the Army's most dangerous job: cavalry scout. He is scheduled to leave for basic training Aug. 16.


Officials are now investigating whether recruiters at the U.S. Army Recruiting Station in Southeast Portland improperly concealed Jared's disability, which should have made him ineligible for service.


Jared's story illustrates a growing national problem as the military faces increasing pressure to hit recruiting targets during an unpopular war.


Tracking by the Pentagon shows that complaints about recruiting improprieties are on pace to approach record highs set in 2003 and 2004. The active Army and the Reserve missed recruiting targets last year, and reports of recruiting abuses continue from across the country.


A family in Ohio reported that its mentally ill son was signed up, despite rules banning such enlistments and the fact that records about his illness were readily available.


In Houston, a recruiter warned a potential enlistee that if he backed out of a meeting he would be arrested.


And in Colorado, a high school student working undercover told recruiters he had dropped out and had a drug problem. The recruiter told the boy to fake a diploma and buy a product to help him beat a drug test.


Violations such as these forced the Army to halt recruiting for a day last May so recruiters could be retrained and reminded of the job's ethical requirements.


The Portland Army Recruiting Battalion Headquarters opened its investigation into Jared's case last week after his parents called The Oregonian and the newspaper began asking questions about his enlistment.


Maj. Curt Steinagel, commander of the Military Entrance Processing Station in Portland, said the papers filled out by Jared's recruiters contained no indication of his disability. Steinagel acknowledged that the current climate is tough on recruiters here and elsewhere.


I can't speak for the Army, he said, but it's no secret that recruiters stretch and bend the rules because of all the pressure they're under. The problem exists, and we all know it exists.


Diagnosis and struggle


Jared lives in a tiny brown house in Southeast Portland that looks as worn out as his parents do when they get home from work.


Paul Guinther, 57, labors 50 to 60 hour weeks as a painter-sandblaster at Sundial Marine Tug & Barge Works in Troutdale. His wife, Brenda, 50, has the graveyard housekeeping shift at Kaiser Permanente Sunnyside Medical Center in Clackamas.


The couple got together nearly 16 years ago when Jared was 3. Brenda, who had two young children of her own, immediately noticed that Jared was different and pushed Paul to have the boy tested.


Jared would play with buttons for hours on end, she said. He'd play with one toy for days. Loud noises bothered him. He was scared to death of the toilet flushing, the lawn mower.


Jared didn't speak until he was almost 4 and could not tolerate the feel of grass on his feet.


Doctors diagnosed him with moderate to severe autism, a developmental disorder that strikes when children are toddlers. It causes problems with social interaction, language and intelligence. No one knows its cause or cure.


School and medical records show that Jared, whose recent verbal IQ tested very low, spent years in special education classes. It was only when he was a high school senior that Brenda pushed for Jared to take regular classes because she wanted him to get a normal rather than a modified diploma.


Jared required extensive tutoring and accommodations to pass, but in June he will graduate alongside his younger stepbrother, Matthew Thorsen.


Last fall, Jared began talking about joining the military after a recruiter stopped him on his way home from school and offered a $4,000 signing bonus, $67,000 for college and more buddies than he could count.


Matthew told his mother that military recruiting at the school and surrounding neighborhoods was so intense that one recruiter had pulled him out of football practice.


Recruiters in Portland and nationwide spend several hours a day cold-calling high school students, whose phone numbers are provided by schools under the No Child Left Behind Law. They also prospect at malls, high school cafeterias, colleges and wherever else young people gather.


Brenda phoned her two brothers, both veterans. She said they laughed and told her not to worry. The military would never take Jared.


The Guinthers, meanwhile, tried to refocus their son.


I told him, 'Jared, you get out of high school. I know you don't want to be a janitor all your life. You work this job, you go to community college, you find out what you want. You can live here as long as you want,' Paul said.


They thought it had worked until five weeks ago. Brenda said she called Jared on his cell phone to check what time he'd be home.


I said 'Jared, what are you doing?' 'I'm taking the test,' he said -- the entrance test. I go, 'Wait a minute.' I said, 'Who's giving you the test?' He said, 'Corporal.' I said, 'Well let me talk to him.'


Brenda said she spoke to Cpl. Ronan Ansley and explained that Jared had a disability, autism, that could not be outgrown. She said Ansley told her he had been in special classes, too -- for dyslexia.


I said, 'Wait a minute, there's a big difference between autism and your problem,' Brenda said.


Military rules prohibit enlisting anyone with a mental disorder that interferes with school or employment, unless a recruit can show he or she hasn't required special academic or job accommodations for 12 months.


Jared has been in special education classes since preschool. Through a special program for disabled workers, he has a part-time job scrubbing toilets and dumping trash.


Jared scored 43 out of 99 on the Army's basic entrance exam -- 31 is the lowest grade the Army allows for enlistment, military officials said.


After learning that Jared had cleared this first hurdle toward enlistment, Brenda said, she called and asked for Ansley's supervisor and got Sgt. Alejandro Velasco.


She said she begged Velasco to review Jared's medical and school records. Brenda said Velasco declined, asserting that he didn't need any paperwork. Under military rules, recruiters are required to gather all available information about a recruit and fill out a medical screening form.


He was real cocky and he says, 'Well, Jared's an 18-year-old man. He doesn't need his mommy to make his decisions for him.'


Question of comprehension


The Guinthers are not political activists. They supported the Iraq war in the beginning but have started to question it as fighting dragged on. Brenda Guinther said that if her son Matthew had enlisted, she wouldn't like it, but I would learn to live with it because I know he would understand the consequences.


But Jared doesn't understand the dangers or the details of what he has done, the Guinthers said.


When they asked Jared how long he would be in the Army, he said he didn't know. His enlistment papers show it's just over four years. Jared also was disappointed to learn that he wouldn't be paid the $4,000 signing bonus until after basic training.


During a recent family gathering, a relative asked Jared what he would do if an enemy was shooting at him. Jared ran to his video game console and killed a digital Xbox soldier and announced, See! I can do it!


My concern is that if he got into a combat situation he really couldn't take someone's back, said Mary Lou Perry, 51, a longtime friend of the Guinthers'. He wouldn't really know a dangerous thing. This job they have him doing, it's like send him in and if he doesn't get blown up, it's safe for the rest of us.


Steinagel, the processing station commander, told The Oregonian that Jared showed up after passing his written exam. None of his paperwork indicated that he was autistic, but if it had, Jared almost certainly would have been disqualified, he said.


On Tuesday, a reporter visited the U.S. Army Recruiting Station at the Eastport Plaza Shopping Center, where Velasco said he had not been told about Jared's autism.


Cpl. Ansley is Guinther's recruiter, he said. I was unaware of any type of autism or anything like that.


Velasco initially denied knowing Jared but later said he'd spent a lot of time mentoring him because Jared was going to become a cavalry scout. The job entails engaging the enemy with anti-armor weapons and scout vehicles, according to an Army recruiting Web site.


After he had spoken for a few moments, Velasco suddenly grabbed the reporter's tape recorder and tried to tear out the tape, stopping only after the reporter threatened to call the police.


With the Guinthers' permission, The Oregonian faxed Jared's medical records to the U.S. Army Recruiting Battalion commander, Lt. Col. David Carlton in Portland, who on Wednesday ordered the investigation.


The Guinthers said that on Tuesday evening, Cpl. Ansley showed up at their door. They said Ansley stated that he would probably lose his job and face dishonorable discharge unless they could stop the newspaper's story.


Ansley, reached at his recruiting office Thursday, declined to comment for this story.


S. Douglas Smith, spokesman for the U.S. Army Recruiting Command, in Fort Knox, Ky., said he could not comment on specifics of the investigation in Portland. But he defended the 8,200 recruiters working for the active Army and Army Reserve.


Last year, the Army relieved 44 recruiters from duty and admonished 369.


Everyone in recruiting is let down when one of our recruiters fails to uphold the Army's and Recruiting Command's standards, Smith said.


The Guinthers are eager to hear whether the Army will release Jared from his enlistment. Jared is disappointed he might not go because he thought the recruiters were his friends, they said. But they're willing to accept that.


If he went to Iraq and got hurt or killed, Paul Guinther said, I couldn't live with myself knowing I didn't try to stop it.


©2006 The Oregonian


 


Well, if he has cochlear implants he is not disabled. I

believe you said **He is disabled. He is deaf.** Apparently he is neither at this time.


So you worked for a substance abuse clinic for awhile. Was that as an MT or a counselor?? What are your qualifications?? Unfortunately I know more about addiction than you have time to hear (read). I have lived through years of it up close and personal, my husband's kids' struggles with drugs and my mother-in-law **addicted to pain medications.** My husband has been sober for 25 years and is an active member of AA. He has sponsored many people over the years and too numerous to count addicted people have come through my doors. Among other organizations I belong to Al-Anon.  I know more than I ever wanted to know about the disease of addiction. The statement I made is far from stupid. If you know so much because you **worked in a substance abuse clinic for awhile** you know that addicts are some of the most manipulative people on earth. What they say must be taken with a grain of salt, especially in the early stages (like in rehab). It takes years to overcome the character defects that are a part of addiction and it is a constant work in progress. One is never **cured.**  One has to find a program and stick with it for the rest of his/her life. And yes, people really do know when they are in trouble with pain killers. It is when it starts making them feel different mentally, no longer about pain.


With Rush though, didn't he have another run in with the law over a bottle of Viagra that was not his?? Of course, none of this is his fault, it is everyone else's fault, they are out to get him, it is not fair, he doesn't have a problem, never did, can quit any time he wants, yadda yadda yadda...


I am more than a little ticked off that you would assume I know nothing about addiction because I said something you did not agree with. You know very little about me and what I have lived in my life and as I try very very hard not to personally insult anyone on either board, I would appreciate reciprocity from you. If I or anyone says something you do not agree with, that is not cause to call me or anyone else stupid and ASSUME that we do not know what we are talking about.


 


 


who cares
I dont care what the neocons think or say about me, my beliefs, my words.  When a conservative gets ticked off at my words, Im actually quite proud.  Im glad Bush and his ilk are screwing up badly because when we go to the polls it is the republicans that will be hurt the most.  I have seen more people registering as democrat this year than I ever have.  The shape America is in right  now, due to Bush and the republican controlled Congress, would make me ashamed to be a republican.  The rest of the world was astonished when he was voted in last November.  We liberals have nothing to lose and only to gain by all of his screw ups.
LOL, who cares.
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Who cares?

Who really cares? sm
The thing is, if we had to register, it would solve the problem.  Anyways, if you feel that way, don't read or post there. It's pretty easy.
Who cares? nm
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Who really cares...
except you???
Who cares?
Is this all you have to do all day? Too bad you don't get paid for it.
Who cares
I particularly could care less if she had a three-headed baby, never mind that she had one at all. She's gone, the republican party lost. As they say...let lying dogs lie (at least I think that's a saying LOL).

I think there is enough corruption in our own government and problems in our country than to be focusing on Palin's daughter.

Brother....even when they lose and are out of the spotlight some people can't let it go.

I think we should focus on issues like...

What's up with all these bail-outs. There has been so many I don't even know who is bailing out who and how many more trillions are going to be spent so the rich can remain rich while we all sink. All I know is everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon and getting approved to be given money - please don't ask me to explain because like I said there so many I just don't understand the whole thing except that people in govt are lying to us. All I understand is that people like you and I are going to end up paying for it.

Also under Obama's plan I see the rich getting richer and the middle getting poorer and I'm not quite sure I understand what is going to happen to the poor. I think probably they are going to lower the middle income so they we are in with the poor (after all it is only fair to give our hard earned money away to make us poor like them).

I see very hard times ahead. My dad just was laid off, in January his wife will be laid off, my BIL is out of work, my SIL will most likely be laid off, my other BIL's company is downsizing, he may be out of work, and my other SIL's company closed their doors and she is out of work. My DH is trying to find something to be retrained in so he can get a job. In our town we used to have 2 pages of employment opportunities, now we have 1/2 page. DH talked to a school up north today. They told him that 2 huge companies closed their doors today and over 6000 people are out of work. Nobody can count on what type of jobs/training is going to be a good investment for the future. When he finally decides on one area we read that that industry is going downhill. Luckily gas is down, but food prices are still high. Cost of heating is going up (imagine that...just in time for winter), along with taxes on just about everything else. Our DMV just released that the cost to get a DL has doubled, car registration has more than doubled (but not trippled). I am seeing more and more taxes on everything. How long is it going to be before just one income will not pay the bills.

So, I'm sorry, but I could care less if or when Bristol Palin is having her baby. I'd rather hear what Obama is going to do to get people back working and the country back on it's feet.
Who cares
And his name is Levi Johnson. But guess its too much to ask the dems to show a little respect for anyone who is not a dem.

How would you like it if we kept calling Obama "Long legged Mack Daddy".

But again - who cares!
Who cares?
What....is Sarah Palin's daughter the first teenager to get pregnant out of wedlock and then decided to break up with the father of her child?  At least Bristol isn't receiving government help to pay for her child like so many young single mothers.  People make mistakes in life.  It doesn't make them bad people.  OMG....she had sex!  She should be locked up and how horrible Palin is for letting her daughter have sex.  Sarah should lose her position as governor of Alaska because she can't keep her adult daughter from having sex.  Sheesh.  Are you people even listening to how ignorant you are getting with this subject?  I'm sure none of us had premarital sex!  To those of us who did though....did that make your parents bad parents?
Who cares!!!

First of all, stop calling us teabaggers as that his highly offensive.  Secondly, we don't care about the GOP.  This wasn't a support the GOP rally.  This was a government sucks as a whole protest and stop spending our money like crazy. 


I just don't see where you guys can't see the tea parties for what they really stood for.  Surely you can't be happy with the government spending money left and right like it is.  Aren't you worried about this huge deficit that keeps growing and growing and growing.  Both pubs and crats are to blame for this and they just keep spending.  I just don't see how you guys don't get it.


LOL. That is like saying who cares about
anything other than medical transcription.
Ugh...who cares?
I really couldn't care less about their emails.  How would we like it if people were reading our emails out in public?  We know what he did and we know it was wrong.  All I care about is whether or not taxpayer's money paid for any of his rendevous with this woman.  If he paid for things himself....I couldn't care less who he had an affair with.  Not really my business.  Now if he misused taxpayer money, he should be held accountable for that just like any other politician who misuses taxpayer dollars regardless of the reason behind it.
How silly. Who cares what

she goes to the bathroom. Why don't you focus on something that matters?


 


"Who really cares."

You ask who really cares?  Well, that's the whole problem.  We really should care.  Who cares has been this administration's mantra all along and that is THE WHOLE PROBLEM>>>>>>>


As far as who cares, lots and lots of us care.  But we are basically helpless.  We need to start holding some folks accountable for their actions but as long as they are protected by the powers that be, that will never happen.


Who cares if you are liberal
This is the liberal board, no one asked you whether you wanted to be a liberal or democrat..Great..we dont need you, the majority of the country and world are left leaning and liberal..Go back to the conservative board and live your happy little insulated unrealistic life..dont bash the posters on this board because they state they are proud to be democrat or leftist or liberal..that is what this board is for..the liberal board, i.e., it is for liberals.
Again with the protesting too much. No one cares....
and it really doesn't matter to anyone other than you, I don't think. I certainly don't care. Did not mean to stir the hornet's nest by calling you by an old moniker. It's not like anyone who has been coming to the board for awhile doesn't know that anyway. And again...it doesn't matter, does it?

And if you are not angry, you are the angriest-sounding nonangry person I have come across in awhile.

:-)
We can all see how much your party cares
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Who cares about 'supposedly' nm
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ALLAH certainly cares
too bad young lady
Who cares what she has to say - she's a case
Just another. She tells him to stop being a hater????? She should eat those words.

Anybody who watches Newt and has read his books knows he is a highly intelligent gentleman who knows what he is talking about. Smart as a whip. Obama's administration would be a lot better off if they offered him a position, but then again Obama will not be uniting the two parties. It will be more separation and filled with liberals.
WHO CARES WHOSE FAULT IT IS??
This is past history. We need to move forward and come up with some real, workable solutions.

It matters not who created this mess, it is ALL of ours to fix!

What is gained by pointing fingers, name calling and childish, school yard games that go on on this board?

Thank God there are a few (VERY few) intelligent posters here that keep me coming back.

Let's bury the blame and get moving forward, shall we?
WHO CARES ABOUT PALIN????
Let's try to focus on real issues and try to mend this country.

I think it is fair to say that there are POLITICIANS on both sides who don't pay their taxes - what does that make them?? Crooks!! But it certainly is no-one's "fault" but their own!
This might interest you.......at least somebody CARES!!
This is from NumbersUSA.com

You can sign up with them; they will keep you up to date on EVERYTHING and you can fax your politicians directly from their site! It is a great way to go !!

The unemployment numbers for May were recently released and are truly disheartening. More than 345,000 Americans lost their jobs last month and unemployment rocketed to 9.4% (the highest since August, 1983). Clearly, it is time for Congress to reduce or suspend most immigration. However, the Congressional leadership is pushing for a mass amnesty!



This push for Comprehensive Amnesty is happening because the White House is holding an immigration summit this week -- the purpose of which is to pave the way for various amnesties (AgJOBS, the DREAM Act, and comprehensive amnesty).



Please fax your Members of Congress and urge them to oppose any attempts by open borders and pro-illegal alien lawmakers to foist an amnesty on the American people. Any amnesty, no matter how small, would have a devastating impact on America's 14 million unemployed workers.



Click here to read a Los Angeles Times article on Congress' push for amnesty and President Obama's immigration summit.




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You are welcome. (and totally clueless but who cares). nm

Cares about what ? that there is 1 person posting as 4 or
that I have always been me? Evidently you do. You posted about this twice. I am not on the conservative board; you are on the liberal board and my initial post said I was going to try to keep from going over there.  Everything I post over there gets deleted anyway. The last post was quite inocuous but within less than 1 hour it was gone.  Why don't we register? Would not bother me.
Who cares what Michelle Obama wants....
She was not even proud to be American majority of her life. 
I dont think the left cares. They are always this way.
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Who cares - she is not running. Even Obama said
Out. For some reason you seem to think Gov. Palin would have been able to stop her daughter. If you want a baby bad enough your going to find a way (place) to get pregnant. Her daughter didn't consult with the parents. This is not Gov. Palins fault and even then it's not a "fault". Her daughter wanted to have a baby and so she got pregnant. End of deal! Leave the spouses and kids out of the hatred you hold for the candidates.
Who cares what Europe thinks? They are no
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nobody cares about your pro mccain rant
loser
Vote for your choice. Who cares?
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Yeah, he won! Who cares if he is a citizen?!
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Who cares what he did as an occupation or didn't do
He was trying to get the O to admit to his plans for the American people. The dems just were upset that it came out that the O plans to screw us all.

I want the truth. I don't care if a plumber or non-plumbar, plant or no plant was there. He didn't do anything wrong except expose the O for what he is. Out of O's own mouth - were going to take the money you earn by working and spread it around to the people who are not working because it's not fair that they aren't making what you are.
Again, who cares - give it a rest
This kind of mentality is not what is going to lead our country into the future.

Even Obama himself has more class than this. Nobody in his campaign is talking about Palin's daughter or making totally unnecessary remarks.

Didn't you read my post below. I already said who cares about Palin's baby.
This is old news! WHO CARES? Adultery is on both
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Michael moore only cares about two things....
Michael Moore and his checkbook.
Who the heck is Parker, and who cares what she thinks.
Anytime anyone says anything against Gov. Palin the dems will jump all over it, "guess who so-n-so said that Gov. Palin should get out". What's going to be next "Harry the garbage man said Gov. Palin should get out", then that will be posted all over the place. I have never heard of this Parker lady and I doubt very much she has any knowledge about Gov. Palin. Maybe we should stop listening to all insignificant people. For as many people who say Gov. Palin should get out there are an equal number saying she is doing just fine, and many more saying Biden should have never been selected as VP.
who cares about the stock market anymore? it's
my stock-based 401K is all but gone, and even if i had the money next year, or ever, not a cent of it will ever go back into the stock market's house of cards. so i personally dont give a rip what happens to it from here on out.
Right. "The people" that he cares about so darn
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What puzzles me is who cares what any actors think about anything other than acting?
Why should I care what Tom Hanks thinks about politics? Or what Sean Penn thinks about Hugo Chavez? They have no particular expertise that makes their opinions one bit more interesting or any more valid than my mailman. In fact, I'd be more interested to know what an ordinary citizen like my mailman thinks.

I can't understand why anyone interviews them or quotes them on such topics AT ALL. Even more, I can't understand why any of us would listen to them or give 2 cents for their opinions.
Who cares? Got bigger fish to fry.... geesh!!
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Who cares....that's just business as usual in Detroit. sm
That is not as flippant as it sounds. Detroit has been sucking off the gov't teat for as long as I have lived in Michigan. They got rid of the mayor because of stuff like this. The Synagro scandal even reached over to my side of the state, in Grand Rapids. So there was a big who-ha and then all the righteous indignation died down and life went on.

IMHO Detroit needs to be cut off Michigan, floated up the St. Lawrence Seaway and out into the ocean. Maybe somebody out there will take pity on them and give them a home.
Whoops, spelled Cheney wrong...but who cares..

Your president only cares about killing people in Iraq.

That's first and foremost in his mind, and Americans can go to hell, as far as he's concerned.


He thinks the war is more important than anything, including funding of projects to prevent a hurricane from destroying vulnerables, including funding border patrols, including forcing Americans to go broke just because they want to stay warm in the winter.


I overheard a conversation last night in a store.  A woman was complaining of gas prices and said she didn't know if she'd be able to afford to heat her home this winter.  Another woman told her about Jessie Jackson and his visit to Chavez and Chavez' offer to help low-income Americans with heating fuel.


This woman (who reminded me very much of some of you who post here, always in attack mode) said she and her children would FREEZE before she'd take any welfare from a communist.  She then went on a tirade about the kind of people who receive welfare (not fit to print on a public forum like this).  I was shocked, and the first three things that popped in my mind were Jim Jones, David Koresh and PEOPLE LIKE YOU.


Is there any length you people WON'T go to to defend this idiot president who doesn't care enough about YOU to make gasoline and heating oil affordable? 


Who cares if he has family values and loves this country!

So, you judge how much one cares by how many care packages they send??? sm
Well, I'm at a loss responding because you don't know what we do to support our troops, but if it makes you feel better to think you do more than everyone else, then do go on.

My uncle is over there and he has told me not send him anything else, he wants to come home.
Bush is a president who cares about protecting America
not building a legacy, like Clinton.  It is a crying shame that those in the left circle of the Democratic party have become so embittered they actually put us all at risk. 
Who cares what Palin, McCain, Obama, or Biden
all the cheating and lying going on in the O camp and 'ole Biden stabbing his running mate in the back isn't a good sign at all. But, no surprise there. Biden had said very early on he didn't care for Obama and that he would like to be McCain's running mate. Can't twist that one no matter how you try.

I'll always know Biden isn't so easily fooled by Obama either but just looking for a foot in the door of the White House to run in four years.