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Whew....glad to see I am not the only long-winded poster here....

Posted By: sam on 2008-07-18
In Reply to: Response to bilingual debate below. - globetrotter

Did you actually see the tape of when Obama said what he said: He said "instead of worrying whether immigrants learn English, YOU (with great emphasis on the you) should be making sure YOUR (great emphasis on the word your) children learn to speak Spanish! Now you can throw all the multicultural high-brow rhetoric at me you like, that is basically saying we should require our children to learn Spanish to get along with those who are immigrating instead of "worrying about" the immigrants learning English because they would learn English. All this came about from the "national language" debate with immigration. Let's keep it in context here. Obama was NOT talking about multiculturalism. Yes, he said he was embarrassed that he himself could not speak another language and it was embarrassing to him that French people who come here are multilingual (not sure why he chose French people) and we go over there and can only say merci beaucoup. Well...frankly I don't know why he is embarrassed, and that is a ridiculous statement. Anyone who goes to France to do business on a regular basis does speak French. Most people who go there regularly as tourists learn the language as well. And if I went to France to live, to become a citizen of that country, I would expect to learn French and that would be my first language. That is understood. So there would be no need for France to establish a national language. And france, frankly, nor any other european country, have our particular immigration problem, now do they? NO.

I do not see the big deal in asking immigrants to this country to make English their first language. Does not mean I want to say you can never speak Spanish again (ridiculous), but to do business and in everyday life, you should learn English.

Frankly, it is thinking like this that will usher in what that little bald-headed Russian Kruschev said, banging his shoe on the table, basically saying "One day this country will be taken over without firing a shot." Open the door and hand them the keys, globetrotter. If you don't mind them having national pride, why does it chap you for Americans to have national pride, and why shouldn't we? France can be multicultural without giving up ther national pride...but again...they don't have the immigration problems we have. If they did...a VERY different story.

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I didn't say she was long winded
Guess your one of her followers. You didn't even read my post before you acused me of saying something I didn't say.
Blah, blah, blah and you say she's long winded?
whew

Childish?  Try me in a debate.  Not childish here.  Childish is to think we could invade a Middle Eastern country whose only mind set is being ruled by religious leaders and to think they will meet us in the street with flowers and hugs..childish and crazy is to think we will win the war on terror when terror is an ideology, not a person, not a country, an ideology.  Give me a break.  Childish?  No, concerned about American and where it it headed?  Yes.  Concerned about terrorism that we have caused that will affect us and the world for decades to come?  Yes.  Concerned about the conservatives taking back rights of the people and going backwards when it comes to Affirmative Rights, pro choices rights, right to marry whomever you choose, right to worship whatever you choose without having a christian ideology plastered all over govt buildings, right to be able to die as you choose, right to be able to take marijuana with a doctors prescription when that is your only alleviating factor of pain..on and on..Childish?  I dont think so.  You with your head in the sand, yup.  Either you are politically inexperienced or a republican in sheeps clothing to post like this..

Whew!
Sounds like someone has issues.
WHEW!
I'm glad I don't have a mortgage. I rent, and renting is a much better deal compared to how things have gone downhill nowadays with mortgages and folks losing their houses left and right. Good luck to those who own still own homes!
Whew! As an ex-Houstonian s/m
I'm wondering which Houston you're talking about.  Surely not Houston, Texas!  I still visit there frequently as I still have children and grandchildren there.  They tell an entirely different story. Isn't Sharpstown, or example, a high crime community??? Inhabited by Mexicans and Asians?  Maybe you live in River Oaks????  Otherwise, Houston is one of the highest crime cities in the country.  Obviously not all of the melting pot is as happy as you appear to be.
Wow....whew. The coldness of that hit me for a minute....

Okay, I get it.  The wholesale slaughter of babies does not bother you.  You have no care for them whatsoever.  Better they are sliced and diced than to add to the population problem.  What if some of them were serial killers?  Sheesh.  What if some of the dead Iraqis were going to be terrorists?  Good grief!


Talk about oversimplification.  Are you saying that every war that has been fought was for naught and should not have been fought?  Is that your stand?  Or is it just Iraq you are concerned about?  I have asked numerous times and you have never answered.  Should we never for any reason go to war? 


Personally I think Roe vs Wade SHOULD be overturned, because it is unconstitutional on its face.  It was enacted by activist judges overturning a state law ad taking it nationwide, which they have no right to do.  Only Congress at state or local level can enact law.  For that reason alone it should be overturned.   Then, if individual states want to change/stop/whatever abortion law they should be able to do it.  We are talking about killing of human beings here.  You can shoot someone in your house who is a danger to you in some states and face jail time for it...yet we slice and dice innocent babies in the womb who are defenseless and say no harm, no foul?  How contradictory is that may I ask?  And when, oh when, can we just ask people to show more responsibility?  With all the birth control methods there are available, we should not be seeing half a million abortions a year that are second, third, and fourth abortions.  That is just nuts.  And, though it probably does not matter a hoot to you, my work is done with women who find themselves in a situation where a choice has to be made, and work with organizations who offer a different choice.   I would like to change minds because that is where the true answer is.


All that being said, my active work is not going toward overturning Roe v Wade, though it should be for the reasons stated above.  Judges need to be reined in.  At least then if people are going to condone abortion (pro choice) then let them go to the polls and put their vote where their mouth is, so that we know the true will of the people.  If, as you say, over half the country does agree that abortion should be legal, that thought should not scare you and I don't know why it does.  And if abortion remained the law of the land, then I would continue the work I am doing, and that is trying to change minds and hearts, and give women in that situation a choice different from abortion.  Because I do believe in following the law of the land.  Hence, no picketing of abortion clinics, no bombings, no shooting doctors, no demonizing women in that situation.  I want to offer a different choice, to give them time to think about what they are doing and the long-reaching effects.  And I see nothing wrong with that.  If a woman decides to go ahead with an abortion, she is certainly able to do so and receives no condemnation from us.  It saddens us, of course.  But the women/girls we work with are not sent away with ridicule and condemnation and if they return later with regret they are welcomed and counseled.  And we see a fair amount of those as well.  And, wonderfully, we are beginning to see more women making a choice for life, whether keeping the child herself or choosing adoption.  I realize on the national level it is a tiny, tiny drop in the bucket...but one life saved, to me, is worth it.  I cannot concentrate on the many who are lost, or I would never get anything done.  I have to concentrate on the ones saved.


The real purpose of an abortion law is to encourage responsibility, because obviously something is haywire when half a million abortions a year are repeat abortions.  If that is not using abortion as birth control, kindly tell me what is.


And as a final note....the June Cleaver thing is a really old chestnut.  You can't tell me that 1.2 million women a year would turn into horrible mothers and the child would be better off dead than alive with their mothers.  There are far more success stories than not, and there are many, many families looking to adopt newborns.    There are many stories of girls/women who make that hard choice, and instead of the their lives being ruined, the child is the impetus for change in their lives.  The good stories far outweigh the bad.  And like I said...I am a glass half full kind of person.  If we can save even a portion of those 1.2 million lives, then I believe the efforts are worth it.  I certainly cannot just stand by and act like it does not matter to me.  Because it does.


We are never going to agree on this subject.  You can't understand why I would want to save babies and still think defending this country is okay, and I can't understand how you feel such empathy for casualties of war and feel none for aborted babies.  I certainly feel empathy for casualties of war.  However, I feel that war is sometimes necessary.  I have no trouble with that decision.  And I cannot equate the two...abortion and war.  And I don't know how you can. 


I personally don't make the decision to go to war.  You don't personally make the decision to get an abortion.  Either way, people die, although the numbers dying are much higher on the one side.  And, frankly, I don't think even with the war the number of dead Iraqis has caught up to what Saddam did when he was in power.  And that was not collateral damage, that was planned wholesale murder...very similar to abortion.  Gas them all, men women and children, defenseless and unable to fight back.  Line them up on the side of a pit, shoot them all, cover them up.  Torture, beheading.  Slice and dice, partially born, suck their brains out.  There is a similarity.  Murder.  Barbarism.  Same result.  Dead human beings.  When all is said and done, if a free Iraq emerges and that sort of behavior does not occur again, then I am willing to bet the Iraqis, down the road, will believe that it was worth it.  They thought so when they were waving American flags and hugging soldiers and toppling Saddam statues.   Just like we believed after the Revolutionary War and the Civil War, horrible and bloody though they were, were worth it. 


I sleep well at night and am comfortable with my decisions.  I assume you do too. So at least I will agree to disagree.


:)

Whew....don't have the time or inclination...
to respond to all this "drivel"...let's just hit the high points, shall we?

I suppose I am to assume that this is your normal response to someone not agreeing with you and not the result of someone pushing your buttons. Aha. Got it.

I would suggest you look up the words "obnoxious," and "personal attacks," "cliched catch phrases," "dodges" (especially dodges), deflections and deceptions and then re-read your own post. I would also suggest you read your own definition of "bigot" and then look at your reactions to what Hannity says and what I said. Uh-oh...

Y'know...sticks and stones, trotter. You have stuff in this diatribe I never said...like that "pure race" "drivel" (to use your word). Never said a word about a pure race. What in the world have you been reading?

Yeah, like you, I have better ways to spend my time. Oh and by the way...you don't have to be "rich" or "entitled" to speak in an elitist fashion or have an elitist attitude...you don't have to have a dime. You just have to have the 'tude. And believe me when I say this, with all due respect, you definitely have an elitist attitude and a definite condescending view of people you feel are not what you perceive as intelligent or enlightened. And there are many who speak in this way, which is why generally what you say is lost in the way you say it. One has to dig past the "gotchas" hunting for substance, and one rarely finds it. You are so angry about so many things, even if someone is not talking about those things you find a way in insert them in the conversation and ascribe to people things they never said or even implied. One wonders why you do that, but no matter. As you so skillfully stated, I have better things to do than try to figure it out.

Bless your heart for having to "sink to my level." That just screams elitism. LOL.

Good luck in your job search. And in dialing it back a notch. Perhaps we should leave the subject of illegal immigration...well what am I talking about. You left that after the first post. But, again...seriously. Good luck in your job search. Cya when you get back.
Whew - guess it's not a repeat then.
I don't always keep up with this board, but I thought this was interesting.
Whew! Cramer is really peeved that

the government appointed Geithner. Watch the video. He is correct in his evaluation that if it was you or I, we'd be put in jail quicker than sh--- if we didn't pay our taxes. He talks about Thain, too.


 


http://www.cnbc.com/id/28813742


 

Whew!! Brown eyes here. (sm)
But ya know what they say about people with brown eyes, so we're not safe, either. 
Whew! That kid's good, and so is the message.nm

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Glad you enjoyed them and glad to see you back!
You GOT to feel better gettin' all that out of your system. Whew doggies! ....
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You'll be waiting a long, long time, then, cuz she's going to do
He died a long, long time ago! (If he was ever
Don't force your beliefs on others. It further devalues your faith in the eyes of others.
I for one am glad AG
some opposing views. I'm all for that. Too often "stalking" gets mentioned when it's really just someone who finds a lot to argue with in someone else's posts - of course they're going to reply if they have something to say. It's usually nothing personal. And even if it becomes that after so much back-and-forth, so what? If a person is arguing with facts and debating relevant issues, the other poster ought to have their facts in line also for a good reply. Challenging isn't "stalking." I think those who fear challenge are those who don't really have a desire to debate at all, or aren't sure of their own information - in which case why are they here in a political forum when there are happy happy recipe exchanges going on a couple of forums over?
Glad to see him go...nm
I'm Glad...
Judith Regan, the woman who wrote the book, claims she contracted with his lawyers that the money went to the kids or she would not have done it. Don't know if that is true or not; that is what I read. I am also glad that Fox dropped it. Pressure on NBC also resulted in the crucifixion-like scene in Madonna's concert being cut. The people do have a voice...we just need to continue to use it.
Yes, and I am very glad
that there are less of our troops dying over there. I guess my point was just that some people (not meaning you, but people on the news) discuss how things are going good in Iraq without always necessarily taking into context how BAD it was. I do recall hearing on MSNBC I think how that even though the number of deaths has gone down in recent months, 2007 was still the deadliest year in the war. I would be curious to see how the number of deaths/injuries now compares to each month/year since the war began.
Glad to see someone else...
has refused to drink the Kool-Aid.

Excellent post with great points, not bashing, threats, scare tactics and hot air. Refreshing these days.
I'm glad -nm
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I'm glad you know her so well.
You see her one way, I see her another.  I don't like her, you do, so what's the big deal?  I think she is phony, you think she's sincere.  We'll see.
I'm glad! nm
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I'm so glad I don't believe all that s#it.
Or the gum on the bottom of your shoe is an omen of the end of the world because it resembles Satan.

Ooga-booga-booga -
whattabunchavoodoo.
I'm glad you are.............sm
but that is not the case with everyone.
While I am glad
That part of the stimulus was taken out, I don't agree with the fact that the alternative is a depression. We are already walking a razor's edge of a depression. There isn't a whole lot that is going to "save the economy" or the world financial markets. Prices and company stocks were over inflated for many years and each market must reset themselves. With more money being printed and nothing to back it up, we will have hyperinflation probably towards the end of this year. There are a few very respected analysts that are saying September of 2009 is going to be the worst.

I give Obama all the credit in the world for trying to undertake this massive problem but at the same time it is his job. I hope he is able to pull something out of his hat that is fair and right to everyone.
Thank you - I'm glad I was not the only one
I got through the first sentence, but the rest just rambled on and I could not understand what point was being made except that the poster was too happy to call someone a teabagger. I guess that's the "trendy" thing to do now. I still would like to know if she would like me to call her the "c" word and see how she likes it.

Like cuss words that you cannot say on this board I think this is one of those terms that should be banned.
I am glad he is doing SOMETHING
I am willing to give the man a chance. I don't condemn him simply because he is not of "my party."

I do not like the spending at all - but he was not the cause of that spending. He is just trying to "fix" the broken system he was given.

As has been asked numerous times on this board, what better ideas do you have?
YES! Right on GP! Glad to see you again.

Although we do disagree at times, just like I disagree with JTBB sometimes, at least they are normal "conversations." 


 

Thank you. I'm glad someone can understand
Most of the time on these boards I feel like I'm on another planet.
Glad to be back. sm
No I am not walking on eggshells because of the other board. I re-read my post.  I am the daughter of a Command Sergeant Major, from the real old Army, and we did not discuss rank at all; it was not proper at that time.  When we were overseas, we were all Americans and equal; rank, race, religion did not matter, we were all the same - AMERICANS. When I said earlier my dad was "spat upon".  He wasn't but many VN soldiers were; and I was speaking for them.  No one in their right mind would have spat on my dad.  He was infantry, a sharp-shooter, a marksman.  That was his MOS - military occupational specialty.  The second time he went to VN he got two kinds of malaria at once, and he was shot so full of quinine, he had tremors, I probably did not spell it right, probably tremers, he could never hold a gun again. We were stationed in Germany between 1960-1963, and I still don't know the deal.  All I know is there would be a lot of activity all of a sudden in the middle of the night; mom would be up helping him pack, and he would be gone - maybe for a day, maybe for three months, maybe for a year, and he never talked about it.  I did ask him one time when I was a child if he had ever killed anyone.  He teared up and said he had killed many men, but the hardest was that he had to kill a kid who had a grenade in his hand and was trying to kill him.  Anyhow, we got back to the states in late 63, early 64, just in time for the JFK assination; that is when all innocence stopped for me, and I became a bitter person - working on it though. Thanks gals, just got mom to bed, needed to vent.
I'm certainly glad you didn't go into it...

This is a joke, a parody of all the ridiculous right-winger fundamentalists telling us the tsunami is God punishing people who don't think like them, that Katrina looked like a fetus.......blah-blah-blah. 


The difference is that this is a JOKE and the other examples are DEAD SERIOUS!!!!!  I hope you understand this better now.

You're welcome, glad
He is an excellent writer. Too bad it often falls on deaf ears and blind eyes. Yes, I agree with you, that people tend to take their news with 30-second soundbites and don't read anymore.
I'm glad you posted this. Thanks! nm
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Wish I'd seen that! Well, actually glad I didn't.

Gawd,  just think about the possibilities for teenage rebellion reasons when these kids are old enough.  And I thought I had it bad at age 15!!!!! 


I tend to see a link in:  Oppression of women = viewing women as baby machines


Mind you, I do think babies are precious but I don't necessarily believe that quantity equals quality.


Some religions foster woman as baby-machines (Catholicism included, unfortunately), some cultures foster it.  But as I said, it's part of the destruction of our world if it continues.  Okay, I'll climb down off my soapbox now.

I'm glad someone is helping.
Shame on this administration!
I'm very glad you're here.
I enjoy reading your posts.  I hope you stay. 
Then I'm glad you know Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11

and that they had no WMDs. 

Glad to not be a democrat. Please sm

 








 


Senators vote on English





 


 






 








33 Senators Voted Against English as America 's Official Language June 6, 2007




 




On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:35:23 -0500, "Colonel Harry Riley USA ret" wrote:





 




Senators,





 




Your vote against an amendment to the Immigration Bill 1348, to make English America's official language is astounding. On D-Day no less when we honor those that sacrificed in order to secure the bedrock character and principles of America . I can only surmise your vote reflects a loyalty to illegal aliens.





 




I don't much care where you come from, what your religion is, whether you're black, white or some other color, male or female, democrat, republican or independent, but I do care when you're a United States Senator, representing citizens of America and vote against English as the official language of the United States





 




Your vote reflects betrayal, political surrender, violates your pledge of allegiance, dishonors historical principle, rejects patriotism, borders on traitorous action and, in my opinion, makes you unfit to serve as a United States Senator... impeachment, recall, or other appropriate action is warrented.





 




Worse, 4 of you voting against English as America 's official language are presidential candidates: Senator Biden, Senator Clinton, Senator Dodd, and Senator Obama. 





 




Those 4 Senators vying to lead America but won't or don't have the courage to cast a vote in favor of English as America's official language when 91% of American citizens want English officially designated as our language. 





 




This is the second time in the last several months this list of Senators have disgraced themselves as political hacks... unworthy as Senators and certainly unqualifed to serve as President of the United States.





 




If America is as angry as I am, you will realize a back-lash so stunning it will literally rock you out of your panties... and preferably, totally out of the United States Senate.





 




The entire immigration bill is a farce... your action only confirms this really isn't about America ; it's about self-serving politics... despicable at best.




"Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~ anonymous 




The following senators voted against making English the official language of America : 





 




Akaka (D-HI) 




Bayh (D-IN) 




Biden (D-DE) Wants to be President?




Bingaman (D-NM) 




Boxer (D-CA) 




Cantwell (D-WA) 




Clinton (D-NY) Wants to be President?




Dayton (D-MN) 




Dodd (D-CT) Wants to be President?




Domenici (R-NM) Coward, protecting his Senate seat...




Durbin (D-IL) 




Feingold (D-WI) Not unusual for him




Feinstein (D-CA) 




Harkin (D-IA) 




Inouye (D-HI) 




Jeffords (I-VT) 




Kennedy (D-MA) 




Kerry (D-MA) Wanted to be President




Kohl (D-WI) 




Lautenberg (D-NJ) 




Leahy (D-VT) 




Levin (D-MI) 




Lieberman (D-CT) Disappointment here.....




Menendez (D-NJ) 




Mikulski (D-MD) 




Murray (D-WA) 




Obama (D-IL) Wants to be President?




Reed (D-RI) 




Reid (D-NV) Senate Majority Leader




Salazar (D-CO) 




Sarbanes (D-MD) 




Schumer (D-NY) 




Stabenow (D-M)




"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged." 




~ President Abraham Lincoln  "   Amen  "




 









 

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way
I have a really hard time with the religous nut bags who have their own idea of what is right or wrong. Maybe right and wrong is not the correct words. I just wish they would mind their own busness and not push their opionions/viewpoints on other people as though what they say is correct. Like one poster said years ago there was segregation... can't imagine that happening today, just like inter-racial marriage or gay marriage. What is wrong with sharing your love for another person no matter what shape, color, size or sex they are. I definitely think this needs to be changed - period! There should be no question about gay marriage. You love a person and want to get married then that's it you get married. The question is when is some politician going to stand up and do the right thing. So I say live in peace and harmony. Do not tell me how I should and should not live and I won't tell you how you should or should not live. And for pitty's sake - stop making gay marriage a political issue. It is a personal issue between two people and nobody's elses business unless they want to tell you about it. - Okay that's my rant of the day.
Not hardly. I am glad for her support....
but unlike the rest of you, I do not post to support myself. I do have the courage of my convictions and all the bullying and badmouthing you all throw my way only makes me more determined. So pile it on, bullies, pile it on. apparently that is what you need to feel empowered and relevant. Go ahead, knock your socks off. If you are raggin on me you are letting someone else rest.

I'm glad he did those things.
generation that will need his leadership and experiences.   
And you better be glad that someone is willing to get in their face....
because that is all they understand, and that is why we have not had another attack in this country. It is precisely THIS kind of thinking that we DO NOT need in the white house. Diplomacy is fine...and many times it works. But your enemies have to know that if hit, you will hit back hard. I have no faith that Barack Obama would act decisively (like Clinton with Khobar Towers, the first world trade center bombing, the COle, and on and on and on). I don't want things like that happening again. I want them sitting back on their heels like they are now. John McCain will keep them there and he won't be having tea with Ahmadinejad without rules. It just shows that Barack Obama has no clue what he is dealing with. No clue.
Well, whatever happened, I am sure glad
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Boy am I glad you both left....sm
There's only so much rudeness a person can take.

You call out sam on her posting everything...at least she's nice and civil....

You two...or three...people, are still, just downright rude, under your smug little comments and innuendos, accusing sam of the very same things you're doing.

No wonder people don't like coming here very much anymore, me included....yuck.

Hey sam....glad to see you, but I'm still checking out....have to...sm
type for living...

She was so cool. He couldn't trip her up, could he? The more I see of her, the more impressed I am.

And the whole Greta series this week has been great on Alaska and all the people who know her. We went to Alaska for our honeymoon in 2000, and went through Wasilla....it was a beautiful place, and great people....Real people....No wonder Sarah is such a gem!

Talk to you later....
Thanks, MT....I am glad if I have helped you in any way....
to research on your own and make up your own mind, no matter which candidate you decided to support. Good for you! :)
I too am glad there is something we agree on. sm
Sometimes it takes a personal experience to change our minds, open our eyes. We all need to be less judgemental, open our minds, and explore the possibilities before making decisions and opinions blindly. I believe marijuana should be decriminalized period.
Glad I could amuse you
you still need to get a life. Hope you like that one the second time too.
And I said I would be glad if either of them acted....
you and I differ. I think we are better served if they stay in Washington if for no other reason that to do the job we are still paying them for, as senators, and get the thing fixed. I can wait 2-3 days for the debate. It is not absolutely necessary to the nation's economy that they debate tomorrow night. In my opinion.
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