Why should any human being have the right to decide...
Posted By: sam on 2008-10-31
In Reply to: Sam, to be honest, I don't think about it much at all either - - Amanda
whether another is allowed to live? You honestly don't find a problem with that? What will your thought be when they decide that when people are not useful to society anymore they just be euthanized? It's legal in Holland; you can have grandpa put down. Don't think it can't happen here...because when you start to devalue human life, no matter what level that is on...you start down a very slippery slope.
You keep saying the government meddle in a woman's life...what about the baby? What about that life, who can't speak for itself, can't defend itself, can't run? Picture someone chasing a toddler around a room that the toddler can't escape from, slicing pieces off until its dead? That is somehow more palatable because it hasn't been born yet?? Sorry, Amanda...to ME that is the underlying question here. The VICTIM in all this is the CHILD.
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Yes, for now those VRs need human
editors but they are getting better every day and with the government pushing for full speed ahead it shouldn't take long. I expect in the not too distant future "see alice" won't be an issue as new drugs will simply be entered into the software. I'm not a computer geek so I don't know HOW they will do it but do it they WILL.
Far be it from me to try to convince those MTs who think they are indispensable that it isn't so.
This should help you decide
We haven't even begun to pay the piper - We can't afford it!
If you think it sounds extreme, it is. But if you do your own research, you'll hear his own words saying he'll literally bankrupt the coal industry. The MSM somehow "managed" to forget about this way back from January 2008! He said our electricity bills will "skyrocket!" This is disturbing! Right or left, the media has no right to pull this crap. They aren't even shy about their lovefest over this guy. This isn't journalism. There's a big difference between news reporters and commentators.
Our utility rates are already high enough. Why would anyone want to pay even one dime more? Someone please tell me their desire to do so. Google NE coal miners, etc., and you should find more info.
Good luck to you.
I don't decide..
God does. Come back to me when you can comprehend simple English.
I would think twice before you decide -
to proclaim you know who on this board is black and who isn't.
I'm black and I take offense that people like you will get on this board professing what race someone is or isn't.
The fact is you do not have a clue as to what the black communities would think is funny and what is not. There are some of us that would laugh and others who would take offense. Just like any white person who would laugh at certain jokes and take offense at others.
Maybe you should stop trying to pretend you are defending the people in the black community because you are doing a poor job of it and showing how much of a racist you are.
You have no idea what our communities or we are like.
Maybe you should stick to posting your propaganda and stop claiming to know what race everyone on this board is.
Is Obama really human?????!!!!!
I read a blog that said he was sent here by aliens!!!!!!
www.blogcaca.com
you are a warped human being. It is
people who had rather kill their unborn children than give them to STRANGERS that are bringing the prophecies to pass. Yes, there are many *points of view,* but no ifs, ands or buts, there is only ONE way to eternal life and that is the only thing worth owning stock in.
You have my support, Human........
Sh*t happens, whether we like it or not. I'm in the same boat you are. We still have 2 houses, still making the mortgage payments but our ability to do that for how long is in question......fortunately, we didn't buy what we couldn't afford and my kids pay the mortgage on the 2nd house. I don't know what is going to happen to me because we have no healthcare coverage right now (waiting for income tax return to pay COBRA) and my cancer has not been treated since October.......I guess we will see what happens...good luck to you!
there is for their family to decide ... and ..
apparently they did just that. What is right for them very well may not be right for others.
I just think it's a shame people won't let this go and focus on the issues!
Well, unlike some, I don't decide what to think...
depending on what the candidate I support says. If he is fine with it, that's fine. That is up to him. I would just like to see some integrity again. She knows she has a conflict of interest, she should take care of it herself. She should have turned it down when asked. Because that would have been the right thing to do.
It has nothing to do with protecting Palin. I don't think Palin needs protecting. In fact, I wish they would quit trying to make a 30-year statesman out of her and let her be herself.
Tell me...what have all these savvy politicians who look good on camera and are so articulate (except for the every other day size 13 in the mouth)...what exactly have those statesmen done for us to this point? Only get us in the worst financial crisis since the depression. The fact that she is so UNLIKE them is one of the biggest things in her favor so far as I am concerned.
And yes, if she was first on the ticket, I would vote for HER before I would vote for Barack Obama. In a heartbeat. Immediately. Wish I lived in Ohio so I could do it TODAY.
That's tough to decide.
I like Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Hate snow, afraid of volcanoes, and can't take heat anymore. Hubby has been wanting to move to Canada for years. He likes snow and mountains.
I also like Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia. They're cold but I like the sea.
Maybe I can find an nice island halfway between the extremes I posted? Any suggestions? LOL
Why don't you let your kids decide for themselves
what they want to do. I'm glad I had responsible parents who taught me right from wrong, watched me grow, get married, but I also know that if I wanted to be gay they would love me still the same.
Unfortunately too many parents try to control every single aspect of their kids life, and the kids grow up as biggoted and unloving as their parents. Of course I'm not saying that is you, but you just see it too many times on TV.
Parents believe one thing, so they force their kids to believe the same thing, when all along the parents were pretty messed up.
You need to teach your kids on the different lifestyles people in America have and that's why it makes a great nation (or would you rather have the public floggings of gays like they do in the other countries because they don't share the same viewpoints as you). You need to teach your kids the different lifestyles and what it means as a lifestyle for them. Then let them make their own decisions as to what life they wish to choose for themselves.
You need to stop telling people to get a clue because you obviously don't have one.
Neocon human shield
You are the one who is so PRO WAR, why dont you become a human shield and go to Iraq and help the unfortunate people we have destroyed and stop spouting your hate and baloney here. Im anti war, 100% and anti Bush for sure..I hope Bush rots in hell along with his family because they could have talked some sense into him. They all should go to Iraq if they believe so much in the *noble mission*..Oh, wait a minute, what is the mission? WMD?, Nah, liberating Iraq and creating a Demcracy, nah, never gonna happen.
Hear about the sorry excuse for a human
He carved a "B" in her forehead with a knife after seeing she had a McCain sticker on her car. This was after he attacked her a few seconds earlier.
Only talking to those who care for human
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As opposed to a living human being
raped, murdered, beaten,and tortured. I'm sorry, I find that much more atrocious.
No he is not perfection, no human is. In the current...sm
climate, no, he probably will not be able to accomplish everything, but his is going to try to do his best, and I think that the people who elected him realize that.
yes, I will explain human rights to you now sm
Barack Obama has announced that he will close Guantanamo. Throughout the world, this announcement will be understood as an introduction to a new kind of American leadership, a repudiation of the unilateralism of the Bush administration, and a return to diplomacy and the rule of law.
Closing Guantanamo will be a complicated process, which must be accomplished in phases. But the first step clearly is the settlement of the 50 or 60 detainees who have been cleared for release but have nowhere to go. These men have been called the “Guantanamo refugees.” Some of these men are stateless, but most of them simply can’t be returned to their home countries because their lives would be in danger there.
A number of European countries have recently indicated a willingness to take in some of the Guantanamo refugees. But the U.S. must also take some of them.
A group of 17 ethnic Uyghurs from western China have been at Guantanamo almost since its opening. From very early on, they were known to be innocent. In September 2008, a federal court officially cleared them of “enemy combatant” status. In October, Federal Court Judge Ricardo Urbina ordered them released into the U.S, where Uyghur-American families were waiting to take them in. Justice Department lawyers obtained a stay pending appeal to the Court of Appeals. The appeal was briefed and argued in late November. The Government argued that only the President has the power to order the transfer of detainees and their release into the U.S. The appeal has not yet been decided by the Court. As President, Obama should either dismiss the appeal and comply with Judge Urbina’s order or exercise his power as President to bring the Uyghurs to the U.S.
Human rights is getting way twisted
I go by the Bible and a much higher authority.
Terrorists...human rights...sm
I don't think the terrorists were too worried about the human rights of the 9-11 victims.
No, because it's still not equal. Human beings should
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No, it's not a human right.....contrary to your beliefs
marriage is supposed to be a gift from God for those that actually understand what that means in the first place. No where in the Bible does it talk about 2 men or 2 women having a relationship as blessed by God, but it sure tells us it is WRONG!
How do you manage to be so screwed up that you don't know the difference between homosexuality and difference in color of skin? Last time I checked, blacks go to school with whites and have for a long time, at least they do in my community.... blacks have every right whites have..... homosexuals have every right we ALL have.
And Prez who can't decide what he's trying to escape.
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I invite all to look at the posts, and decide...
who are the unhappy campers in this bunch. You are just a nasty little outfit, aren't you? who messed in your post toasties this morning? :)
Wow - if I couldn't decide before this has really confirmed it for me.
We watched C-span so that we could be assured nothing would be cut out. Then we went to MSNBC to see their comments and then FOX to hear their comments. Sure enough MSNBC was filled with a bunch of sour grapes. What were they saying about her speech? Nothing. They were just upset because she called the media on what they've been reporting about her and they didn't like it. They want to keep bashing and putting her down and have nothing said back to them. They are so biased it makes me sick.
This is my likes & dislikes about Sarah Palin. I like that she is not from Washington. I like that she has been governor of the state, has passed laws, has made Alaska a better state that works for the people. I like that she got rid of all the wasteful things (fancy jet, personal chef, chauffer). I like that she can stand tough when she needs to. She's knows how to get things done and she's not afraid to go up against the "big boys". I like that she firmly believes in the 2nd ammendment of the constitution, the right to bear arms, and I like the fact that she knows how to use arms. I like that she cares about America more than she cares about herself. I like that her husband owns a business and she has helped him work his commercial fishing business. So I know she is not for more taxes. I like that she took from the big oil companies and gave the money rightfully back to the people who deserved it (the Alaskan citizens). I like that she is a mother, has kids in school, has been to the PTA. That means she is aware of the education system and I like that she got involved to make the schools a better place for all kids. I like the fact that she and her husband decided to have a child knowing he would have down's syndrome and I like the fact that she doesn't wear it on her sleeve and when she talked about her baby tonight she said our newest addition, a beautiful baby boy (not a beautiful Down's syndrome baby). I like the fact that her daughter is pregnant. To me it shows she is as real of a person and her family is the same as most all other Americans and facing the same thing all other americans are. I like the fact that she was not born into a wealthy family, she worked hard to get where she is at. I like the fact that for all the snips and nasty comments the democrats said against her and John McCain last week she can dish it right back (and with facts! - which by the way is all the liberal media focused on tonight (how much she picked on the other side)). I like the fact that I know she and her husband sit down at night after their kids go to bed and they talk about real issues (his business, their kids schooling, etc etc). I think she is a wonderful, hard working person. Very knowlegeable about issues (has to be to be a governor). I like the fact that she does have more experience than Obama does, which because he is running for President he should have more experience then someone running for VP. Tonight after her speech DH & I both said we need to move to Alaska and have someone like her as our governor.
What I don't like...maybe she's a little too "religious" for me and I've heard that she wants to teach creationalism in schools. BUT (I wanted to make sure I put that in big letters...but) I can't confirm that and I'm not sure if that is a rumor put out by the liberals, so I really can't say I don't like that about her because I don't know if it's true. Just keep religion out of politics and I'm happy with that.
So far I can't see anything I dislike about her (which is a far cry from 3 days ago when I couldn't stand her because all I was listening to was MSNBC and CNN). Now I'm researching and reading more about her accomplishments.
I think she's a wonderful person and will make a fine VP. Also I do have to say I've been learning more about JM over the past couple days and I have a lot more confidence and respect for him as our next president. I loved R. Guliani's speech and Mike Huckabee's and the Governor of Hawaii (forget her name). They all gave fine speeches.
So that's my opion. To the one just blabbing about how our taxes are going to be raised, blah, blah, blah. It's all scare tactics. When the democrats are in is always when people pay more in taxes. Government grows, jobs go overseas, America becomes less secure, military gets cut way back Remember NAFTA because of Democrat Billy who shipped jobs overseas and people lost good jobs and homes. Then he turned around and created these "false" jobs where people had to take jobs paying 1/2 of what they were getting paid but because they paid them so low he could create more jobs giving a "false" impression that he created all these jobs (these people still had to go on food stamps). Remember how your taxes were raised because of Democrat Billy who jumped my tax bracket from 21% to 37% and even then at the end of the year we had to pay an additional $2500 cos we didn't pay enough to support all of his programs. Remember Kosovo, Somalia, etc. Remember how Democrat Billy gutted the military which made our country less safe, hence the first attack on the world trade centers. Remember how Democrat Billy had the chance to capture OBL but he didn't. Remember the lies. Remember how Democrat Hillary was trying to socialize health care. Some people may think Bush is "one fry short of a happy meal" but at least our taxes went down, and we had job security and our military was built up and I once again had faith in the country, Sure the country is not perfect. Sure President Bush has made some real "dufus" decisions and mistakes, but it's nothing compared to the mess the country was in the last time the Democrats were in office.
That is why I'm voting for McCain/Palin. I've got my fire resistant suit on. 
I haven't read it all yet, but you all can decide...sm
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/518/
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-books.htm
http://www2.islandpacket.com/blogs/post/26929
I agree! I can't decide who to vote for because there is so much bad on both of them (sm)
I am going to decide who I dislike more and vote for his opponent. Very sad. Terrible choices.
the voters don't decide the election- sm
Perhaps you forgot, or don't even know, that it isn't the voters who actually decide the election anyway. It is the electoral college. We could all boycott (although that would be stupid beyond belief as our voices would not be heard at all) and it would not affect the election results anyway. Get it??
People who use their minds to decide what they do
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It's not for you to decide what a woman does with her body
Mind your own business. Keep your own legs closed when the rapist approaches.
It's a little thing called human rights!
What makes you think Americans deserve more rights than human beings from other countries? The phrase all men are created equal applies to the entire human race not just Americans.
I love it...when the courts decide against liberals...
they are biased and wrong. When they decide for liberals...they are right on and good old boys. Can we just admit it...you don't care what the facts are. Conservatives are wrong and Bush is wrong...every time posting, every time opening mouth.
If Bush was a Democrat, we would not be having any of these discussions.
What a twisted value system. Twisted.
I decide for this informed American voter....
and a man's affairs or not affairs is not the reason I will vote or not vote. I don't want a socialist America, so I would not vote for Barack Obama.
The Supreme Court first has to decide whether to rule...sm
on the case. They do not hear every case presented to them. They are very likely to send it back to the lower court if they think it is frivolous.
So you can decide who's real folks and who's not? Geeshhh......
Steele wants states to decide and BIG GOVT OUT.
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Did he decide to cancel the 2012 election? (nm)
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just like sex ed, they should make kids parents decide
ever remember having to have a permission slip for sex ed or even for your kids? They should do the same thing for the gay thing. For a species to thrive it needs to have male and female parts to reproduce, so why teach something that would not benefit the species? I am not against gay people. I am just against my kids being forced to think that it is something that they might have to look into and that it might be "cool".
I'm gonna have the big one. Human Events quoted on the L board! NM
You have it opposite! It's HUMAN rights at stake... gosh! duh
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And luckily millions of others believe in marriage for all human kind
and not just those "select few".
Issues...I don't have issues with people with common sense. The one who know that the Creator loves all people.
I do have issues with people who are blatantly ignorant.
Reproductive rights...the freedom given to a woman to decide.
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Various Bush members enjoy profit from human suffering.
Two articles below:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-bucky23mar23,1,7624344.story?ctrack=1&cset=true
From the Los Angeles Times
Bush's Uncle Earned Millions in War Firm Sale
An SEC filing shows William H.T. Bush collected about $1.9 million in cash, plus stock valued at $800,000, from the deal.
By Walter F. Roche Jr.
Times Staff Writer
March 23, 2006
WASHINGTON — As President Bush embarks on a new effort to shore up public support for the war in Iraq, an uncle of the commander in chief is collecting $2.7 million in cash and stock from the recent sale of a company that profited from the war.
A report filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission shows that William H.T. Bush collected just under $1.9 million in cash plus stock valued at more than $800,000 from the sale of Engineered Support Systems Inc. to DRS Technologies of New Jersey.
The $1.7-billion deal closed Jan. 31. Both firms have extensive military contracts.
William Bush was a director of Engineered Support Systems. Recent SEC filings show he was paid cash and DRS stock in exchange for shares and options he obtained as a director.
Before DRS purchased it, Missouri-based ESSI experienced record growth as a result of expanded U.S. military contracts — many to supply U.S. efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The contracts, some awarded on a no-bid basis, include a $77-million deal to refit military vehicles with armor for use in Iraq.
Other ESSI products used in the war include radar and detection services, field medical stations and field electrical generator units.
SEC filings show that two federal investigations of ESSI are underway. One inquiry involves a stop order from the government on the field generators. The order was issued because the units didn't operate properly.
The generator contract was a major source of revenue. SEC files show that ESSI did not tell stockholders about the stop order until last June, about seven months after it was issued.
During the interim, several ESSI executives, including Bush's uncle, cashed in stock and stock options worth millions of dollars, the filings show.
According to one recent filing, the SEC and the U.S. attorney in St. Louis are investigating the delayed disclosure and other matters.
Unnamed members of the ESSI board and corporate officers have been subpoenaed in the inquiry, according to documents.
SEC filings show that William Bush, 67, exercised options on 8,348 shares of ESSI stock on Jan. 18, 2005, about two months after the stop order was issued and six months before it was disclosed. He collected about $450,000 in cash.
Bush, known as Uncle Bucky in the president's family, joined ESSI's board in 2000, several months before his nephew became president.
He heads a St. Louis investment firm and is the youngest brother of former President George H.W. Bush.
He declined to comment Wednesday. However, in an interview last year, he said he played no role in ESSI's winning federal contracts.
I don't make any calls to the 202 [Washington, D.C.] area code, he said.
Patricia Williamson, a spokeswoman for DRS, would not comment on the status of the federal investigations.
The company has said it is cooperating in the probes, which also involve an ESSI insurance contract.
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March 22, 2006, 11:58PM
Former first lady's donation aids son
Katrina funds earmarked to pay for Neil Bush's software program
By CYNTHIA LEONOR GARZA
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle
Former first lady Barbara Bush donated an undisclosed amount of money to the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund with specific instructions that the money be spent with an educational software company owned by her son Neil.
Since then, the Ignite Learning program has been given to eight area schools that took in substantial numbers of Hurricane Katrina evacuees.
Mrs. Bush wanted to do something specifically for education and specifically for the thousands of students flooding into the Houston schools, said Jean Becker, former President Bush's chief of staff. She knew that HISD was using this software program, and she's very excited about this program, so she wanted to make it possible for them to expand the use of this program.
The former first lady plans to visit a Houston Independent School District campus using the Ignite program today to call on local business leaders to support schools and education.
The trip to Fleming Middle School is intended to showcase Bush's commitment to education for both Houston-area and New Orleans evacuee students, according to a press release issued Wednesday by Ignite.
Fleming, which has more than 170 New Orleans students, was one of eight area schools chosen by the Harris County Department of Education to receive a donated COW, or Curriculum on Wheels, multimedia program after Hurricane Katrina.
Neil Bush founded Austin-based Ignite Learning, which produces the COW program, in 1999.
Becker said she wasn't at liberty to divulge how much money the Bush family gave to the hurricane funds, but said the rest of their donation was not earmarked for anything.
Nationally, some other donors also specified how they wanted their donations spent, Becker said.
For example, one man wanted his money to go to Habitat for Humanity but via the former presidents' fund. Nearly $1 million has been raised for the local fund and more than $120 million for the national.
Regarding the fact that Bush's earmarked donation also benefited her son's company, Becker said, Mrs. Bush is obviously an enthusiastic supporter of her son. She is genuinely supportive of his program, and has received many letters from educators who support it. Bush honestly felt this would be a great way to help the (evacuee) students.
Barbara and Neil Bush presented the donated programs to Houston-area schools this winter.
Districts that received the free curriculum include Houston, Alvin, Katy, Pearland and Spring and the New Orleans West charter school.
There are 40 Ignite programs being used in the Houston area, and 15 in the Houston school district, said Ken Leonard, president of Ignite.
Information about the effectiveness of the program, through district-generated reports, was not readily available Wednesday, according to an HISD spokeswoman.
Two years ago, the school district raised eyebrows when it expanded the program by relying heavily on private donations.
In February 2004, the Houston school board unanimously agreed to accept $115,000 in charitable donations from businesses and individuals who insisted the money be spent on Ignite. The money covered half the bill for the software, which cost $10,000 per school.
The deal raised conflict of interest concerns because Neil Bush and company officials helped solicit the donations for the HISD Foundation, a philanthropic group that raises money for the district.
HISD school principals decide for themselves whether to spend their budgeted money on Ignite.
Leonard said that in the past six to eight months, the company has hired national sales representatives across the country — in Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Nevada — in hopes of expanding beyond Texas. Currently, about 80 percent of the company's customers are from Texas.
Last year, Neil Bush reportedly toured former Soviet Union countries promoting Ignite with Russian tycoon Boris Berezovsky.
According to the Times of London, Berezovsky, a former Kremlin insider now living in Britain, is wanted on criminal charges in Moscow accusing him of seeking to stage a coup against President Vladimir Putin.
The purpose of today's event is to showcase everyone's efforts in helping the hurricane evacuee students who ended up in Houston, Leonard said.
We have a role, but we're not the leader in this, Leonard said. He also acknowledged that his company will benefit from the former first lady's visit.
Barbara Bush is expected to observe both teachers and students using the Ignite Learning program while touring classrooms, according to the Ignite press release.
During a short reception, teachers and students will give testimonials about the program and Bush will encourage community business leaders to have a stronger presence in supporting schools and education, the press release said.
The free-standing instructional tools that are not dependent on the Internet. They include a built-in computer, projector and speakers and come pre-loaded with science and social studies courses.
cynthia.garza@chron.com
HoustonChronicle.com -- http://www.HoustonChronicle.com | Section: Houston & Texas
This article is: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/3742329.html
This is where I don't understand Palin at all...she preaches about preserving human life but ....
when it comes to innocent wildlife, innocent soldiers and civilians in Iraq being killed it's okay.
I think her doctrine is shoot first, ask questions later.
I really truly believe she is as they say a *cocky wacko*.
Switzerland is nice and backward, try there? How can you be afraid of human rights?
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Makes you wonder, with technology growing faster than the human mind...sm
something is bound to crash! I think my kids are probably responsible for about half of those text messages, thank goodness for unlimited!!
Too bad we can't develop the technology to come up with a decent government!
Human rights is an issue for you and your children... wake up and open your mind
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Hindsight is 20/20. The same argument could be made of North Korea if they decide to attack...sm
after Bush's 2nd term has ended.
Clinton and Bush definitely were opposites on foreign policy, but I think he did try - probably didn't do as much as he could. What Bush is doing with the war in Iraq though, I think is irresponsible as well.
Exactly right, we all deserve human rights, ALL OF GOD'S CHILDREN, MUSLIM, WHITE, RACIST, REPUB,
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Yes - a bean-counter will decide that the cost-benefit ratio over the expected remaining life span..
...isn't worth it, and you'll be denied that hip replacement or whatever. So much less expensive to prop you up in a wheelchair and shove you in a corner. They'll poke you tomorrow morning to see if you're dead yet.
And, folks, I'm not kidding.
Blah, blah, one can certainly decide if a person is beautiful or not..nm
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