there is for their family to decide ... and ..
Posted By: Myna Bird on 2008-09-01
In Reply to: The 50s-60s poster was talking about - SP showcasing Bristols privacy, not stigma. nm
apparently they did just that. What is right for them very well may not be right for others.
I just think it's a shame people won't let this go and focus on the issues!
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Yeah and guess what the Bush family has tight ties with the Bin Ladin family....
so give it all a rest would you.
Family values....Obama's family can't even agree
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I feel very sorry indeed for Sarah Palin and her family, she ran for VP, not her family, she should
on her experience, her political record, etc, period, no attacking children, and no one throwing stones at "sinner" daughters, that is what I mean, the media wants to put people on pedestals and then throw stones at them at they hunt down not just the public figure, but all their loved ones, I think it is disgusting, it is a HUMAN issue, has nothing to do with politics on either side, why twist my post that way?
Interview with Charmaine Neville, family member of the Neville musical family
September 7, 2005
Women were Being Raped, Babies were Being Killed, Alligators were Eating People, But Where the Hell was the National Guard?
How We Survived the Flood
By CHARMAINE NEVILLE
This is a transcription of an interview Charmaine Neville, of New Orleans's legendary Neville family, gave to local media outlets on Monday, September 5.
I was in my house when everything first started. When the hurricane came, it blew all the left side of my house off, and the water was coming in my house in torrents.
I had my neighbor, an elderly man, and myself, in the house with our dogs and cats, and we were trying to stay out of the water. But the water was coming in too fast. So we ended up having to leave the house.
We left the house and we went up on the roof of a school. I took a crowbar and I burst the door on the roof of the school to help people on the roof.
Later on we found a flat boat, and we went around the neighborhood in a flat boat getting people out of their houses and bringing them to the school.
We found all the food that we could and we cooked and we fed people. But then, things started getting really bad.
By the second day, the people that were there, that we were feeding and everything, we had no more food and no water. We had nothing, and other people were coming in our neighborhood. We were watching the helicopters going across the bridge and airlift other people out, but they would hover over us and tell us Hi! and that would be all. They wouldn't drop us any food or any water, or nothing.
Alligators were eating people. They had all kinds of stuff in the water. They had babies floating in the water.
We had to walk over hundreds of bodies of dead people. People that we tried to save from the hospices, from the hospitals and from the old-folks homes. I tried to get the police to help us, but I realized they were in the same straits we were. We rescued a lot of police officers in the flat boat from the 5th district police station. The guy who was in the boat, he rescued a lot of them and brought them to different places so they could be saved.
We understood that the police couldn't help us, but we couldn't understand why the National Guard and them couldn't help us, because we kept seeing them but they never would stop and help us.
Finally it got to be too much, I just took all of the people that I could. I had two old women in wheelchairs with no legs, that I rowed them from down there in that nightmare to the French Quarters, and I went back and got more people.
There were groups of us, there were about 24 of us, and we kept going back and forth and rescuing whoever we could get and bringing them to the French Quarter because we heard that there were phones in the French Quarter, and that there wasn't any water. And they were right, there were phones, but we couldn't get through to anyone.
I found some police officers. I told them that a lot of us women had been raped down there by guys, not from the neighborhood where we were, they were helping us to save people. But other men, and they came and they started raping women and they started killing, and I don't know who these people were. I'm not gonna tell you I know, because I don't.
But what I want people to understand is that, if we hadn't been left down there like the animals that they were treating us like, all of those things wouldn't have happened. People are trying to say that we stayed in that city because we wanted to be rioting and we wanted to do this and, we didn't have resources to get out, we had no way to leave.
When they gave the evacuation order, if we could've left, we would have left.
There are still thousands and thousands of people trapped in their homes in the downtown area. When we finally did get into the 9th ward, and not just in my neighborhood, but in other neighborhoods in the 9th ward, there were a lot of people still trapped down there... old people, young people, babies, pregnant women. I mean, nobody's helping them.
And I want people to realize that we did not stay in the city so we could steal and loot and commit crimes. A lot of those young men lost their minds because the helicopters would fly over us and they wouldn't stop. We would make SOS on the flashlights, we'd do everything, and it really did come to a point, where these young men were so frustrated that they did start shooting. They weren't trying to hit the helicopters, they figured maybe they weren't seeing. Maybe if they hear this gunfire they will stop then. But that didn't help us. Nothing like that helped us.
Finally, I got to Canal St. with all of my people I had saved from back there.
I don't want them arresting nobody else. I broke the window in an RTA bus. I never learned how to drive a bus in my life. I got in that bus. I loaded all of those people in wheelchairs and in everything else into that bus, and we drove and we drove and we drove and millions of people was trying to get me to help them to get on the bus, too.
Charmaine Neville is a member of the third generation of New Orleans's legendary Neville musical family. She fronts the Charmaine Neville Band.
This should help you decide
We haven't even begun to pay the piper - We can't afford it!
If you think it sounds extreme, it is. But if you do your own research, you'll hear his own words saying he'll literally bankrupt the coal industry. The MSM somehow "managed" to forget about this way back from January 2008! He said our electricity bills will "skyrocket!" This is disturbing! Right or left, the media has no right to pull this crap. They aren't even shy about their lovefest over this guy. This isn't journalism. There's a big difference between news reporters and commentators.
Our utility rates are already high enough. Why would anyone want to pay even one dime more? Someone please tell me their desire to do so. Google NE coal miners, etc., and you should find more info.
Good luck to you.
I don't decide..
God does. Come back to me when you can comprehend simple English.
I would think twice before you decide -
to proclaim you know who on this board is black and who isn't.
I'm black and I take offense that people like you will get on this board professing what race someone is or isn't.
The fact is you do not have a clue as to what the black communities would think is funny and what is not. There are some of us that would laugh and others who would take offense. Just like any white person who would laugh at certain jokes and take offense at others.
Maybe you should stop trying to pretend you are defending the people in the black community because you are doing a poor job of it and showing how much of a racist you are.
You have no idea what our communities or we are like.
Maybe you should stick to posting your propaganda and stop claiming to know what race everyone on this board is.
Well, unlike some, I don't decide what to think...
depending on what the candidate I support says. If he is fine with it, that's fine. That is up to him. I would just like to see some integrity again. She knows she has a conflict of interest, she should take care of it herself. She should have turned it down when asked. Because that would have been the right thing to do.
It has nothing to do with protecting Palin. I don't think Palin needs protecting. In fact, I wish they would quit trying to make a 30-year statesman out of her and let her be herself.
Tell me...what have all these savvy politicians who look good on camera and are so articulate (except for the every other day size 13 in the mouth)...what exactly have those statesmen done for us to this point? Only get us in the worst financial crisis since the depression. The fact that she is so UNLIKE them is one of the biggest things in her favor so far as I am concerned.
And yes, if she was first on the ticket, I would vote for HER before I would vote for Barack Obama. In a heartbeat. Immediately. Wish I lived in Ohio so I could do it TODAY.
Why should any human being have the right to decide...
whether another is allowed to live? You honestly don't find a problem with that? What will your thought be when they decide that when people are not useful to society anymore they just be euthanized? It's legal in Holland; you can have grandpa put down. Don't think it can't happen here...because when you start to devalue human life, no matter what level that is on...you start down a very slippery slope.
You keep saying the government meddle in a woman's life...what about the baby? What about that life, who can't speak for itself, can't defend itself, can't run? Picture someone chasing a toddler around a room that the toddler can't escape from, slicing pieces off until its dead? That is somehow more palatable because it hasn't been born yet?? Sorry, Amanda...to ME that is the underlying question here. The VICTIM in all this is the CHILD.
That's tough to decide.
I like Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Hate snow, afraid of volcanoes, and can't take heat anymore. Hubby has been wanting to move to Canada for years. He likes snow and mountains.
I also like Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia. They're cold but I like the sea.
Maybe I can find an nice island halfway between the extremes I posted? Any suggestions? LOL
Why don't you let your kids decide for themselves
what they want to do. I'm glad I had responsible parents who taught me right from wrong, watched me grow, get married, but I also know that if I wanted to be gay they would love me still the same.
Unfortunately too many parents try to control every single aspect of their kids life, and the kids grow up as biggoted and unloving as their parents. Of course I'm not saying that is you, but you just see it too many times on TV.
Parents believe one thing, so they force their kids to believe the same thing, when all along the parents were pretty messed up.
You need to teach your kids on the different lifestyles people in America have and that's why it makes a great nation (or would you rather have the public floggings of gays like they do in the other countries because they don't share the same viewpoints as you). You need to teach your kids the different lifestyles and what it means as a lifestyle for them. Then let them make their own decisions as to what life they wish to choose for themselves.
You need to stop telling people to get a clue because you obviously don't have one.
And Prez who can't decide what he's trying to escape.
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I invite all to look at the posts, and decide...
who are the unhappy campers in this bunch. You are just a nasty little outfit, aren't you? who messed in your post toasties this morning? :)
Wow - if I couldn't decide before this has really confirmed it for me.
We watched C-span so that we could be assured nothing would be cut out. Then we went to MSNBC to see their comments and then FOX to hear their comments. Sure enough MSNBC was filled with a bunch of sour grapes. What were they saying about her speech? Nothing. They were just upset because she called the media on what they've been reporting about her and they didn't like it. They want to keep bashing and putting her down and have nothing said back to them. They are so biased it makes me sick.
This is my likes & dislikes about Sarah Palin. I like that she is not from Washington. I like that she has been governor of the state, has passed laws, has made Alaska a better state that works for the people. I like that she got rid of all the wasteful things (fancy jet, personal chef, chauffer). I like that she can stand tough when she needs to. She's knows how to get things done and she's not afraid to go up against the "big boys". I like that she firmly believes in the 2nd ammendment of the constitution, the right to bear arms, and I like the fact that she knows how to use arms. I like that she cares about America more than she cares about herself. I like that her husband owns a business and she has helped him work his commercial fishing business. So I know she is not for more taxes. I like that she took from the big oil companies and gave the money rightfully back to the people who deserved it (the Alaskan citizens). I like that she is a mother, has kids in school, has been to the PTA. That means she is aware of the education system and I like that she got involved to make the schools a better place for all kids. I like the fact that she and her husband decided to have a child knowing he would have down's syndrome and I like the fact that she doesn't wear it on her sleeve and when she talked about her baby tonight she said our newest addition, a beautiful baby boy (not a beautiful Down's syndrome baby). I like the fact that her daughter is pregnant. To me it shows she is as real of a person and her family is the same as most all other Americans and facing the same thing all other americans are. I like the fact that she was not born into a wealthy family, she worked hard to get where she is at. I like the fact that for all the snips and nasty comments the democrats said against her and John McCain last week she can dish it right back (and with facts! - which by the way is all the liberal media focused on tonight (how much she picked on the other side)). I like the fact that I know she and her husband sit down at night after their kids go to bed and they talk about real issues (his business, their kids schooling, etc etc). I think she is a wonderful, hard working person. Very knowlegeable about issues (has to be to be a governor). I like the fact that she does have more experience than Obama does, which because he is running for President he should have more experience then someone running for VP. Tonight after her speech DH & I both said we need to move to Alaska and have someone like her as our governor.
What I don't like...maybe she's a little too "religious" for me and I've heard that she wants to teach creationalism in schools. BUT (I wanted to make sure I put that in big letters...but) I can't confirm that and I'm not sure if that is a rumor put out by the liberals, so I really can't say I don't like that about her because I don't know if it's true. Just keep religion out of politics and I'm happy with that.
So far I can't see anything I dislike about her (which is a far cry from 3 days ago when I couldn't stand her because all I was listening to was MSNBC and CNN). Now I'm researching and reading more about her accomplishments.
I think she's a wonderful person and will make a fine VP. Also I do have to say I've been learning more about JM over the past couple days and I have a lot more confidence and respect for him as our next president. I loved R. Guliani's speech and Mike Huckabee's and the Governor of Hawaii (forget her name). They all gave fine speeches.
So that's my opion. To the one just blabbing about how our taxes are going to be raised, blah, blah, blah. It's all scare tactics. When the democrats are in is always when people pay more in taxes. Government grows, jobs go overseas, America becomes less secure, military gets cut way back Remember NAFTA because of Democrat Billy who shipped jobs overseas and people lost good jobs and homes. Then he turned around and created these "false" jobs where people had to take jobs paying 1/2 of what they were getting paid but because they paid them so low he could create more jobs giving a "false" impression that he created all these jobs (these people still had to go on food stamps). Remember how your taxes were raised because of Democrat Billy who jumped my tax bracket from 21% to 37% and even then at the end of the year we had to pay an additional $2500 cos we didn't pay enough to support all of his programs. Remember Kosovo, Somalia, etc. Remember how Democrat Billy gutted the military which made our country less safe, hence the first attack on the world trade centers. Remember how Democrat Billy had the chance to capture OBL but he didn't. Remember the lies. Remember how Democrat Hillary was trying to socialize health care. Some people may think Bush is "one fry short of a happy meal" but at least our taxes went down, and we had job security and our military was built up and I once again had faith in the country, Sure the country is not perfect. Sure President Bush has made some real "dufus" decisions and mistakes, but it's nothing compared to the mess the country was in the last time the Democrats were in office.
That is why I'm voting for McCain/Palin. I've got my fire resistant suit on. 
I haven't read it all yet, but you all can decide...sm
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/518/
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-books.htm
http://www2.islandpacket.com/blogs/post/26929
I agree! I can't decide who to vote for because there is so much bad on both of them (sm)
I am going to decide who I dislike more and vote for his opponent. Very sad. Terrible choices.
the voters don't decide the election- sm
Perhaps you forgot, or don't even know, that it isn't the voters who actually decide the election anyway. It is the electoral college. We could all boycott (although that would be stupid beyond belief as our voices would not be heard at all) and it would not affect the election results anyway. Get it??
People who use their minds to decide what they do
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It's not for you to decide what a woman does with her body
Mind your own business. Keep your own legs closed when the rapist approaches.
I love it...when the courts decide against liberals...
they are biased and wrong. When they decide for liberals...they are right on and good old boys. Can we just admit it...you don't care what the facts are. Conservatives are wrong and Bush is wrong...every time posting, every time opening mouth.
If Bush was a Democrat, we would not be having any of these discussions.
What a twisted value system. Twisted.
I decide for this informed American voter....
and a man's affairs or not affairs is not the reason I will vote or not vote. I don't want a socialist America, so I would not vote for Barack Obama.
The Supreme Court first has to decide whether to rule...sm
on the case. They do not hear every case presented to them. They are very likely to send it back to the lower court if they think it is frivolous.
So you can decide who's real folks and who's not? Geeshhh......
Steele wants states to decide and BIG GOVT OUT.
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Did he decide to cancel the 2012 election? (nm)
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just like sex ed, they should make kids parents decide
ever remember having to have a permission slip for sex ed or even for your kids? They should do the same thing for the gay thing. For a species to thrive it needs to have male and female parts to reproduce, so why teach something that would not benefit the species? I am not against gay people. I am just against my kids being forced to think that it is something that they might have to look into and that it might be "cool".
Reproductive rights...the freedom given to a woman to decide.
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Hindsight is 20/20. The same argument could be made of North Korea if they decide to attack...sm
after Bush's 2nd term has ended.
Clinton and Bush definitely were opposites on foreign policy, but I think he did try - probably didn't do as much as he could. What Bush is doing with the war in Iraq though, I think is irresponsible as well.
Yes - a bean-counter will decide that the cost-benefit ratio over the expected remaining life span..
...isn't worth it, and you'll be denied that hip replacement or whatever. So much less expensive to prop you up in a wheelchair and shove you in a corner. They'll poke you tomorrow morning to see if you're dead yet.
And, folks, I'm not kidding.
Being faithful to his family
You're kidding, right?
I saw a show on TLC about this family...
To each his own, especially if you're footing the bill yourself, but this family is just uplain creepy. The children are all homeschool and virtually isolated from any other children other than another family or two who share the same nutty religious convictions. They even have their OWN church at home. The girls all wear these horrid sad-sack Little House on the Prairie identical plaid potato sack dresses that look like they were made from discarded curtains and when asked their only aspirations are to have lots of children and to be a mother. The boys also dress identically in little Leave it to Beaver short-sleeved dress shirts. It's called Full Quiver parenting, as in having as many kids as you get before you get to menopause or your uterus falls out, whichever comes first. I find the whole thing rather odd, but who am I to judge I suppose.
Your family will be in my prayers. nm
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Are you the one who has been threatening him and and his family?
and I commend you and your family
You are to be honored, and I do honor you all.
According to the bin Laden family sm
They disowned Osama a long long time ago. In fact, the bin Laden family owns probably the largest construction company in the Middle East. They built the new U.S. military installation in Saudi Arabia. I am thinking they were allowed to leave for fear of retribution by Americans. That was always my thought and I never really questioned it because I knew of the alienation between Osama and his family.
Horrible for her family...
and hearing the candidates' (both sides) reactions to it have been interesting. All have the similar thread tho...must preserve democracy in Pakistan.
family values
She was left unsupervised at a very critical age (like the Down baby will be) and did not receive enough parental guidance to prevent this tragedy.
family values
Barack and Michelle have been married for years with not a hint of scandal. they have two beautiful age-appropriate children. Joe Biden has a beautiful blended family that truly loves each other. McCain dumped his gravely injured first wife for a beauty queen. Then he was pressured into picking another beauty queen with an Down infant who obviously needs a full time mother and pregnant teenager for his running mate. Family values, family values, family values.
I think they had a family discussion ...
and they decided as a family to go forward. And this would not be an issue had there are those judgmental among us who decided to make it one. In this day and time for the Dems here, of ALL People, to act all holier-than-thou and act like being pregnant not married still carries some kind of stigma just stinks to high heaven. These same people who have told us to go back to our churches and not push our morality on them. The hypocrisy is staggering. The very people they called judgmental are the ones surrounding this family to support them, not ostracizing them like they had announced their daughter was a pedophile or a serial killer.
I would put the judgment here much MORE in question than Sarah Palin's, and I think a lot of people out there in America whose lives this very thing has touched will do the same.
And I would say that regardless of what party affiliation she has too. If that was a Democrat running for VP and people wre bashing her in this way I would be yelling foul just as loud.
It just amazes me the depths some will sink to for political purposes. INcluding fileting a 17-year-old. Just because her mother made the announcement did not mean poeple were obligated to attack..that was a choice and it taking that choice says a lot about character...or the screaming lack thereof.
So you are saying now that they have NO family values because their...
daughter is pregnant and not married? Are you REALLY saying that?
Palin family...
They looked great to me. Cindy McCain reached for the child, it wasn't handed off to her. Bristol looked anything but terrified. She looked proud of her mother. And well she should be. She is running for VP of the United States. I thought it was especially sweet with the little girl licked her hand to smooth down the baby's cowlick. Circus freaks are the last words I would use to describe this family.
My family affairs are none
of your business. I am being viciously mistreated by the press. Wait, film this. It will get me some votes. Watch me bravely send my first born off to the endless war my political party started.
I have family in Alaska and they
think very highly of S. Palin. FYI, people don't like her JUST because she is likeable. She's smart, courageous, well-grounded with good morals for starters. She doesn't flip-flop to appease the public (like Obama/now for drilling), and she is NOT self-serving (gave up her plane, personal chef, etc etc that came with the job). She is and has been SERVING THE PEOPLE, not playing politics; McCain has the same history, and together they ARE the party of change. p.s. when was the last time Obama had any part in giving money BACK TO THE PEOPLE like Palin did in Alaska? Look at the facts. You have 2 track records of standing up for the people on the McCain/Palin ticket and pretty talk along with old party politics on the Obama/Biden side. It really scares me to think of Obama winning, with his demonstrated lack of judgment and lack of record, poor associations, etc. p.s., if there is a revolution/take-over of the USA it could only be under Obama. notice too, that now his future position in the white house is challenged, he keeps changing his tune to sound more middle-ground. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing; beware.
I'd want the money but not from that family. sm
The poor have more morals and principles. They make most of their money off of misery, lies, deceit, and thievery. They fund both sides of war conflicts and founded the central banking system, which is robbing everyone blind. She met her husband at a Bilderberg conference.
She did support Hillary and then endorsed McCain, but said she did not trust him because he came off like too much of an elitist. Bizarre statement from someone who is a member of a family who possesses more than half the world's wealth since the early 1900s.
Sounds to me as if you or your family
would never vote for him anyway. I am from a small town in PA, born, bred and live in a small town, and I and my DH have no qualms with any of the so-called elitist statement, and as I said before, as I see it and hear it, he is right! Some people are just too stupid or too bigoted to vote for their best interests, period, and that is the truth. It is incredible to come through 8 years of the worst government this nation has ever seen, in the middle of a financial crisis that is being compared to the Great Depression, to vote for and give those people at least 4 more years that have brought this country to its knees, in one war that was unnecessary, that cast aside the constitution, torture, and all the other horrendous wrongdoings of the Bush administration, to allow race or a few misspoken words stop from electing a good man, an intelligent man, well, that is just stupidity or bigotry any way you slice it. BTW, I am a 54-year-old white woman.... And I know there are more out there just like me who will vote for this man.. Be he elitist or be he a black radical or whatever slur you would throw at him, I will bet that he will be our next president, and Good Lord I hope so!! As I read through your writings here, seems to me you have not even stopped to think about how much this man has gone through to get where he is...as a black man, it could not have been easy for him, but he did, and he is, and I say more power to him. All you can do is slur and impune him, give him no benefit of the doubt, or even think through what another 4 years of Republican rule will do to our country or your own quality of life. You like to repeat the things they say on rightwing radio/TV, which are hateful and downright mean, and you have to be of a certain mindset to even listen to it. I listen to Limbaugh, I watch Faux News, but I can't do so for very long because to me they are nothing but evil. If you want to get religious, they are not very Christian-like, not if Christian means followers of Christ. All I hear from them is a lot of liese, hate and hypocrisy.
I feel for that family as well
that her daughter will be blessed with something wonderful that will keep her strong and make her fight and not be defeated.
the point i was attempting to make is there are soooo many people who abuse it.... government help; yet there are people who actually NEED the help just to get them back on their feet and are turned down; i'm curious how many $$$$ are actually spent in a year for food stamps, welfare, government subsidized housing, etc.
trust me when i tell you we are feeling the pinch ourselves but we are trying to cut back on extras. we actually even have a plan that should worse come to worse, my immediate family would go live with my sister and her family... that would be if things hit rock bottom but even if that were to happen, i know we will be fine.
i wonder if obama starts getting all these government programs going, how soon it will be before it's all tapped out and no one will have any sort of assistance.
Did anyone notice that the one family...sm
they had on there that were all overweight, and complaining about not enough money for snacks? Also, notice the mother had acrylic nails on....know how much those cost? Could buy a lot of milk and food that they say they couldn't afford.
A lot of inconsistencies in that infomercial....
It's mostly Bobby's family
Teddy pays his bills. Who cares what Joe K did anyway? He's been dead a long time. Just goes to show some people on this board will argue about anything.
I pray for his family as well.
How sad that she could not have lived to see her grandson elected president if that happens.
I agree with you and so does most of family.
by picking O and I have been running into a lot more people including strangers who also agree. No more freedom and some of the elderly seem to think our country is going to turn out like Germany years ago. I guess this is what the young people want.
There sure are a lot of people stocking up and buying ammunition too. Afraid guns will be gone and cannot buy anymore. Others believe to stock up on guns to use for barter exchanges down the road. That is what some Americans are seeing how our FREEDOM country will turn out down in the future. You can do A LOT OF DAMAGE in 4 years to this country. Just kissed good-bye to the ole USA as of late Nov. 4, 2008. I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK, DANG IT.
YES, YES, YES. My friends and family are all better
We all receive tax refunds. No matter how much some of my freinds and family hate Bush they say that they've at least gotten tax rebates. Something they never once got while Clinton was in office. While Clinton was in a lot of them lost their jobs thanks to NAFTA. After GW got in they obtained jobs. Their taxes were lower and they had a steady income. Then along came congress and we all know what happened from there - the beginning of the downfall.
YES we are better off than with Clinton in. Unfortunately we've got another 4 years to suffer the same consequences we did when Clinton was in.
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