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Yeah, I don't care for Obama, but I am not "proud"

Posted By: of the people who cant stand him. nm on 2008-09-13
In Reply to: No, its just that you are so "proud" of the people - dislike or hate her -turns me off about liberals.n

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Yeah, does he care the no one is going
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No, its just that you are so "proud" of the people
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Yeah, check out health care in Cuba....
quite an acorn.
yeah, but could care less really doesn't make sense if you think about it -nm
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You mean "proud of your pres-elect" (nm)

Then don't come here if it doesn't make you feel "proud"
If coming to this board and listening to people who voice their opinions and concerns of what is happening in the country is so upsetting to you and takes away from you feeling "proud", then I would say not to come here. We listen to the concerns on this board and everyone that trashed McCain and Palin (and still do), and anyone else who is a not a liberal and voices their opinions - they get trashed, but we listen to it.

Then we give our concerns about Obama and the incoming administration. If it's that upsetting to you to know that not everyone in this country is in love with Obama and worships the ground he walks on then maybe you should find some boards somewhere where most all of the posts are just the jubilation, rapture, and ecstasy everyone has because we've elected the first black man to the white house no matter whether or not he knows what he's doing or meets the qualifications. Oh wait - that is this board.

You know what I get sick of seeing. The utter disrepsect that people give to those that don't join in the rapture. We are attacked and called names for it, but the moment we respond back we are criticized. Even the people who said they voted for Obama but are having some concerns about the people's he's picking for cabinet members they are attacked too because they are not dancing in circles drinking the Kool-Aid chanting Obama's name over and over and over.

Everyone has different opinions. Everyone has different concerns. Everyone has the right to voice those opinions.

I wouldn't worry too much, however, the way America is headed is that nobody will ever be able to say or write the truth about Obama because already in Missouri the "thought police" are monitoring websites of who's writing what about Obama and if it is the truth or not gushing with love they are being reported. They are also trying to silence the conservative radio shows so that it will only be liberal viewpoint that everyone hears. So soon all you'll hear is happy happy joy joy about Obama and those who don't agree with thim will be on their way to one of the hundreds of re-education camps in this country.

Of interesting note, Obama won McCain by 9,522,111. Out of 129,391,683 people who voted, that's not very much. Less than 8%. And there are over 303,824,640 people in America so that means 174,432,957 people in America did not vote (that's more than those who did vote). According to statistics only 25% of the country's population are children under 20 years old, so that still leaves over 9,847,679 people that didn't vote. So to go around acting as though every single person living in America voted for Obama gets a bit old. I'm also thankful that there are enough American's in the country to know right from wrong and a lot of them know their rights as Americans and they still believe in the constitution and what our founding fathers fought for (definitely NOT what is happening today) and they are not joining in the newest cult to come to this country.

So if coming to this board just depeletes all your "proudness" I'd find somewhere else to go.
Obama and health care.
Listen,

It is human nature to be scared of of something different, People will remain in jobs while their wages sink, afraid that things could be worse if they leave.

There are reasons this time around that the AMA, the American Cancer Society and namy other prominant organizations are encouraging a single payer system, the reason being that the current system in in a shambles, and serving less and less. The premiums are exhorbitant not only for individuals but businesses as well, the current system is severely crippling job grown, and as an aside if one is so fortunate as to have health insurance, well over 70% of legitimate claims are being denied routinely.

When things get to that point, and they have, it is better to swallow the fear and make some changes when the current system is in a complete shambles. The benefits far outway the fear of making changes to a severely flawed system.
Don't know, don't care. Obama for PREZ!! nm
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So you don't care if Obama is elected only by
voters who don't actually exist......including illegals?
Obama lovers do not care
They want Obama in office even if he has to buy his way in there and buy votes to boot. They know about the voter fraud going on but do not want to hear about it. They know their candidate is paying a corrupt racist organization that has already had indicted members to buy his votes into office.
Obama says you can keep your employer health care....
but if you don't have, the government will step in. Under his tax proposals, how long do you think business will be able to afford health care for employees? Not very darned long. So, in the end, he gets what he wants...government controlled health care. He has changed the way he described it to try to end around the socialism tag of universal health care. Nice try, but no cigar. He is not fooling me. But, I don't take every word that falls out of his mouth as gospel like some do either (and I am not singling you out specifically).
I dont care who votes for Obama. I never could in
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Obama and his supporters dont care. as long as
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Obama did not vote to deny a baby care -
Obama clearly stated there was already a law on the books in Illinois that covered this topic and there did not need to be another one.  Do you not understand that?
Obama's top three health care campaign lies




By Phil Kerpen


Lie Number 1: I Won’t Tax Your Health Benefits


What Obama said on the campaign trail (Newport News, Va., October 4, 2008):


“So here’s John McCain’s radical plan in a nutshell: he taxes health care benefits for the first time in history… Well, I don’t think that’s right.”


What Obama says now:


Obama ally Sen. Max Baucus told the Washington Post that Obama is now willing to tax employer-provided health benefits. Baucus said: “Yeah, it’s something that he might consider. That was discussed. It’s on the table.”


Limiting or ending the tax-free status of health benefits makes sense if it’s used to cut other taxes and put all health insurance—employer-provided or not—on a level playing field. The existing benefit is an artifact of World War II-era price controls and creates a tax penalty for people who buy their own insurance.



But unlike the McCain plan, which would have taxed employer-provided health benefits and used the money to pay for a new health care tax credit, the plan now being considered by Democrats, including Obama, would tax employer-health benefits to fund increased government health care spending. For the 250 million-plus Americans who already have health insurance, this is a raw deal—they pay more taxes and get nothing in return.


Lie Number 2: I Won’t Force You to Buy Health Insurance


What Obama said on the campaign trail (Janesville, Wis., February 13, 2008):


“The main difference between my plan and Senator Clinton’s plan is that she’d require the government to force you to buy health insurance and she said she’d ‘go after’ your wages if you don’t.”


What Obama says now:


President Obama sent a letter to Democratic Senators Ted Kennedy and Max Baucus yesterday that says—using the new code word “responsibility” to refer to the same kind of mandate he slammed in Hillary’s plan:


“I understand the Committees are moving towards a principle of shared responsibility — making every American responsible for having health insurance coverage, and asking that employers share in the cost. I share the goal of ending lapses and gaps in coverage that make us less healthy and drive up everyone’s costs, and I am open to your ideas on shared responsibility.”


While President Obama did say he would like a waiver process in hardship cases, there is no reason to have a mandate other than to force people to buy insurance who don’t want to, mostly young people who are healthy and want to spend their limited income on their young careers and families. According to the Census Bureau, about 60 percent of the uninsured are under age 35, with the highest rates in the 18-24 bracket (28.1 percent uninsured) and the 25-34 (25.7 percent uninsured) bracket. This is about forcing some people who don’t want health insurance to pay for other people through a new government program. It’s more spreading the wealth around.


President Obama is poised to accept this provision for the same reason Sen. Clinton proposed it—to buy off insurance companies. Democrats learned a lesson from the 1993 HillaryCare fight when the insurance companies stopped a Washington health care takeover. The mandate is a giveaway to insurance companies to buy their support this time by forcing healthy young people who use less health care to pay insurance premiums.


Lie Number 3: If You Aren’t Rich, I Won’t Raise Your Taxes


What Obama said on the campaign trail (September 12, 2008, Dover, N.H.):


“I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”


What Obama says now:


Well, it’s hard to keep up because new ideas are floated every day, but they all would involve taxing people who make less than $250,000. In fact, even his income tax hikes for the rich have now been dropped down to start at $235,000. Then there’s the soft drink excise tax, the cap-and-trade energy taxes, and most recently the VAT, a form of national sales tax. And of course the tax on health benefits I mentioned above would also break the only-tax-the-rich pledge.


What all these proposals have in common: we all pay, big-time, likely trillions of dollars in higher taxes for “free” government health care. In fact, that’s probably the biggest lie of all—that government health care is free.


Universal health care and President Obama's real plan -

I see again that everyone is talking about President Obama's plan for universal health care and I once again feel the need to distinguish between universal health care and what the plan is that President Obama has campaigned for.  I have copied and pasted part of the web page, but also included the link at the bottom of this for you to see the whole plan. 


President Obama does not ask for universal health care where the government is in charge - he just wants the government to ensure that everyone has access to medical care and health insurance.  Why is it so difficult to understand that this is not socialized medicine, government run healthcare, or universal coverage plans?


Barack Obama and Joe Biden's Plan


On health care reform, the American people are too often offered two extremes - government-run health care with higher taxes or letting the insurance companies operate without rules. Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe both of these extremes are wrong, and that’s why they’ve proposed a plan that strengthens employer coverage, makes insurance companies accountable and ensures patient choice of doctor and care without government interference.


The Obama-Biden plan provides affordable, accessible health care for all Americans, builds on the existing health care system, and uses existing providers, doctors and plans to implement the plan. Under the Obama-Biden plan, patients will be able to make health care decisions with their doctors, instead of being blocked by insurance company bureaucrats.


Under the plan, if you like your current health insurance, nothing changes, except your costs will go down by as much as $2,500 per year.


If you don’t have health insurance, you will have a choice of new, affordable health insurance options.


http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/


yeah, and Obama isn't qualified to be in the top
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Yeah, that was on the news. Obama almost
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Yeah, I would NEVER trust Obama to be our
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Yeah, and they never seem to try to refute Obama's
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Yeah, how can you vote for Obama? How could you
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Yeah, Biden just knows that Obama needs
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Yeah, and the guy who just endorsed Obama...
that would be Colin Powell, believed that same "bad intelligence" and sold it to the world in the UN. But of course...since he is endorsing Obama...he is absolved of all wrongdoing? LOL, GP. Sorry.

WWJD? J wouldn't vote for a pro-abortion candidate, and I sure don't think J would be walking this earth telling people go ahead and have an abortion because the government shouldn't be in your personal life. Forget the government! Is being a Christian part of your life? If it is, then I don't know how you can vote for Obama or condone abortion in any way, shape, or form.

Killing babies is wrong, it doesn't matter WHO does it. If the mother decides to terminate it, fine. If a man sticks a knife in her belly and kills her and the baby, he is guilty of a double murder. And you can justify that in your mind...how? Simply that the mother has the right to kill it and the man didn't? What would J think of that?
Yeah, well, unfortunately, with Obama in office,
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Yeah, isn't Obama the great example for us to
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Yeah, but it was Obama who yammered
Wutta mutt.
who could possibly care? War, financial ruin, health care needs.

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Yeah, and Obama is so darn smart, yet does not
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Yeah, Obama's executive experience
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Yeah, I don't trust Obama's character
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Yeah, even scarier that you will vote for Obama
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Yeah, and Obama used to be ACORN's lawyer
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Yeah, and now put Obama in there to raise taxes
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Yeah, and the "honest" response from Obama
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Yeah, trying to hide Obama's answer, which is the
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Yeah, Obama also keeps changing his definition
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Yeah, what's wrong with that - only stated what Obama
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Yeah, well it would be nice if Obama could find an
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Yeah, think things are bad with Obama? Imagine
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Yeah, and maybe Obama will FIND his birth
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Yeah, that is how Obama got elected. ACORN

NM for you.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've said before that you're leaving, but you and your goons can't sta

Yeah, guess Obama supports refuse to look at all
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Yeah...good thing she isn't debating Obama...
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Yeah those nasty old rich. Well, after 4 years of Obama...
there certainly won't be those anymore...except those closest to him, and you won't be a bit better off than you are right now. And when the rich aren't there anymore, who is going to pay for your health care then? You might want to have a contingency plan, because if Obama doesn't have the rich to tax anymore, how is HE going to pay for your health care? Another thing to think about...they will all move to Europe before they allow him to bleed them dry. Survival of the fittest. Where do you think you will fall in that food chain?

Just asking.
Yeah, moochers love Obama, thinking they will get
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Yeah, agreed. Obama supporters refuse to see his
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Yeah, I am hoping Obama WONT be a disaster.
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Yeah, I am hoping Obama WONT be a disaster
See I too can keep repeating like you.
Yeah, and they're also all 30 something or younger...all Obama drones....

Yeah, and didn't Michelle just tell us to judge Obama on his actions? sm
They finally let her out of her box onto the Larry King show, and that's one of the things she said.


I don't like his actions, one little bit.



He's bamboozled millions of people.