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It's not hate, is deep concern

Posted By: Kaydie on 2008-11-05
In Reply to: So sad to see all the haters on this board! - NYMT

I don't hate Obama. I think he's a fine person. Great with giving speeches and beautiful family. Personally I will enjoy hearing his voice give a speech over McCains voice and was really getting sick of hearing "my friends" in every other sentance of a speech McCain gave. So it's not that I or others hate Obama. Unlike the hate we have seen from the other side.

What it is is very deep concerns that everything we have worked for and everything we aspire for and live for and save for and teach our kids is going to change for the worse. I do not think Obama is qualified to be president. I don't and that is my opinion. Evidently other people do feel otherwise and therefore he became president (which I still have doubts that a president is really elected by the people - I think he was already picked a long time ago). But my gut feeling is the same exact feeling I had for Clinton. He promised us so much while he was campaigning and once he got in he screwed the country royally. This is the same feeling.

I hope I am wrong and honestly if I am wrong and if he does do good things I WILL be on this board and admit that I am wrong. But at the same time when I hear and read that he is doing somthing wrong, not fullfilling (sp?) his campaign promises I will also be on this board posting too.

I will admit that I am not always right, but when I feel strongly and when I feel I am right I speak my mind.

My main concern is his redistribution of weath. I'll tell you if my taxes go up so that people like that girl (forget her name) who said it was a historic moment and never in her whole life did she ever think she would not have to work to pay her mortgate and would not have to work to buy gas - if my taxes go up so that way she can pay her rent and gas and bills because I had to put in an extra 10 hours of work to pay the extra taxes for HER!!!!! You can bet your you know what I'm going to be on this board screaming and shouting.

But DH and I were talking and we said maybe it is someone like Obama who will finally be able to do something right and fight for Americans. One never knows. So if he does I will come on and admit I was wrong.


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No hate from me, just profound concern for my country.
I pray you're right and he does an awesome job. I would have no problem whatsoever apologizing for any negativity I've felt or repeated. I believe we all need to come together now and look forward.
English not so good. Sad for you. So much hate. Life too short hate.
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Oh I see....you hate small town folks, you hate Christians...
and you hate the military...you are also coming into real clear view.
We are in deep doo doo!

This country is crying out for help.  Government spending is WAY out of control.   This is one major reason that I am not voting for Obama.  In his charismatic talk of change, he is wanting to spend more money on these so called programs to help the poor and the middle class.  Raising taxes will not bail our country out of the situation we have found ourselves in.  All I hear about nowadays is how Bush has dragged this country down and now all republicans are bad.  Congress is controlled by democrats.  They are just as guilty in all this government spending crap.  All politicians are to blame for this.  Stop the outrageous spending!!!!!  Stop padding your pockets full of money while the rest of the country struggles to live!  All politicians care about is getting in office and making money for themselves.  Do they really stop to think about our country and the long-term effects? 


I don't know that McCain has all the answers to help pull us out, but at least I have more faith in him.  At least he isn't wanting to create government programs that will up the spending and will ultimately fail to achieve anything.  Universal healthcare is not the answer.  Doesn't work for other countries....why would it work for this one?  Everyone keeps saying how Obama will cut taxes....all of these government programs will not cut taxes.  They will increase them.....simple as that.


The true evil here is government spending.  STOP THE GOVERNMENT SPENDING!!!!  They can tax us until we have absolutely no money left whatsoever and the government would just spend it all and that is the problem.


Now there you go, off the deep end
as a person for a change, not a Republican, not a Democrat, just another person trying to make this a better place to live, trying to follow her heart.
Off the deep end a bit, are we?
we should not hand over the keys to the kingdom over to those who would turn us all into Disneyland denizens.
My overall concern is that it is the US
that are detaining these children, and there doesn't seem to be much transparency about what is really going on. I would like full disclosure. It seems that quite a few agencies that have inquired about it have been shunned, at least in the beginning. And in the beginning, a lot of these children were being detained in adult jails/camps and interrogated as adults. That I believe is a war crime and someone should be held accountable.

I would feel much more comfortable and positive about the overall situation if it were being handled soley by the Iraqi people. If not, it will look like coercion. I'm not saying we shouldn't help, but that perhaps it should be more of a long-arm approach (for the lack of a better way to say it). The average Iraqi citizen does not teach their children to kill. It is the extreme Islamists who are preying upon them. It is a very delicate situation that could very well backfire regardless that our intentions are good ones.
I do appreciate your concern about
In a creepy way, I get this slimey feeling that the ACORN controversy is a set-up for exactly that. To make matters worse, I think Ohio will not be alone this year and that every state will face its challenges in this regard. Thing is, it's a little late in the game to be "fixing" that problem now. The progressives have been talking about this problem ever since the last election, but until now, those concerns have been falling on deaf ears.
No concern until one of their own
of course it does not concern them unless one of their own family are blown up, shot, kidnapped or whatever happens the next time.  And don't think there won't be a next time since our country is showing such weakness now.  When it happens to one of their own they will be screaming to high heaven and forget that they backed this closing.
You need to take several deep breaths

you have let your perceptions get the best of you.  I was not aware, until this thread that Carla had lost someone in Iraq this year.  Some of us have not been here as long as others and don't read the hundreds of threads to pick these little nuances up.  I'm sorry you have such a huge chip on your shoulder, and if I offended Carla and you I'm sorry, but it still does not change my opinion on the larger issues at hand.


You really have blown some issues out of proportion, most definitely this one.


Someone here fell off the deep end
But that's OK, the moderator knows individual people are making these posts.  And one always has the option of emailing a poster privately and getting a response if they were truly concerned about someone's identity.  I suppose its easier on the ego to think one person is making these observations, instead of realizing several people are agreeing, lending more validity to the point.  I've had muliple posters disagree with me before, and never once jumped to the conclusion they were all the same person.  It caused me instead to ponder perhaps I was in the wrong...but I guess we all handle these things diferently, huh?
My big concern is what is attached to that
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So, I have a question/concern.

Why are the presidential candidates not talking more about pulling us away from oil? or more strategies to get us off oil?  I may be wrong, so please correct me, but I have not heard anything specific about this issue.  John Kerry is the only one I have heard, but not sure how effectual he is.


Last night on Hardball, the money man said to expect that a gallon of gas to go as high as $20 a gallon in the next 10 to 20 years.  Insane.  What is that going to do to the world economy?  I see a global recession coming, and at the rate the US is dragging their feet, we are going to be the hit very, very hard because we still rely too much on oil for just about everything, from cars to home heating to food.  


What are we to do?


Cute.....have a job, thank you so much for your concern...
check the conservative board, liberals post there too. Is it your day to watch me? LOL.
I don't know if concern is the word,
I would like any prospective President to have some first hand knowledge of the rest of the world AND have some kind of relationship with other world leaders. I think both of those are hard to achieve if you cocoon yourself in your own country.
Another huge concern........
Where is all the money coming from being donated to Obama's campaign.  They are using fake names.   Why?  Now, most common sense folks will know why if we don't want to deceive ourselves.  No doubt Muslim organizations, corrupt groups, terrorists related groups.....you name it.  See how well that never gets reported on most of your news channels.  FOX has tried and is bringing it up again but try to get others, with the exception of Lou Dobbs, who will call a spade a spade....and please don't get racial with me.....you know what I mean. 
Still a big concern for those not so easily
Palin's clothes, her trips, family trips. Who cares!!

If you don't want to hear about it, too bad! I can see where you wouldn't; doesn't look good for him.


Sheesh, you not only hate Bush, you hate PEOPLE!
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Going off the deep end, gt, getting even more bizarre as time goes by. nm

The deep south was on target ;-) nm
 
Fact remains...your guy is in just as deep...
and dirty, and McCain at least tried to head it off, while your guy became their #2 recipient. Now THAT is an INCONVIENIENT truth. lol.
You know better deep inside, which is why you're
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This is off the deep end and it serves no useful purpose
If that is what you want to believe, so be it. I agree with absolutely nothing you have said and I also feel confident that I understand exactly what he meant and who he is.
How about something original...your wonder boy is in deep crap...
and he knows it...just 2 weeks in and already can't remember what he promised. The coming 4 years are going to be great to watch; the Messiah implodes, millions who have been hoodwinked will have their eyes opened and they will STILL blame Bush.
You know you'll drown in the deep end
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Another deep political thinker
Obviously, one of those mindless lemmings the Democrats count on so very much, who will follow the Big BO right over the edge of the cliff, chirping merrily away all the way down to the bottom.
I don't wear sneakers, but thanks for the concern. nm

Thank you so much for your concern about my energy level.

Where's the concern for the dying US children?

I don't know whether you are a Republican or Democrat (or neither), but I have found that many Republicans are against this bill.  The ironic thing to me is that many Republicans are pro-life.  Many care so much about saviing the babies in the womb, but where is the concern for little children who are suffering?  I think it's hypocritical for one to say that they care so much about bringing this life into the world and giving it a chance to live, and yet if that same child gets leukemia it's on it's own because God forbid our taxes might get raised or something.


Sometimes you just have to DO THE RIGHT THING.  I believe the right thing is health insurance for all American children.  What would Jesus do?


Well, it makes him decidedly more of a concern...
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My biggest concern is how many illegals are
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She's not an Obama supporter so no concern
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Yeah, we can see that by your post over your concern
Grow up already.
why don't you show as much concern for the spectacle
right and left, as we speak. You just can't stand the fact that Obama is going to be a fine leader, ran a brilliant campaign, is loved by people all over the world while pub party is basically turning into a laughing stock.
I predict he will be a one-termer....thanks for your concern, tho

NO! Your post above: **My concern lies more with
WHAT LYING? 
Lurker, Raven, you really went off the deep end this time. sm

This is from Dean's World, which is a liberal website, by the way.  Even this liberal doesn't agree with you. Your Bush Derangement Syndrome has taken an even darker and deeper turn.  You might want to spend more time watching the animals and contemplating where all this hatred comes from.  


November 29, 2003



Obnoxious


One of the more shallow memes of the current war goes like this:


Isn't it shameful that President Bush hasn't attended the funerals of very many of the service men who have fallen in this war?


Anyone who thinks very hard about this knows this is an incredibly shallow criticism. Otherwise, the great Generals and Presidents of history, such as Roosevelt, Eisenhower, MacAurther, Patton, Lincoln, and Grant would have never done anything with their time except attend funerals.


Still, if you need to know what history shows, then ask a veteran. As Gulf War veteran John Cole notes, no President has ever regularly attended military funerals.


That's right. Franklin Roosevelt didn't. Harry Truman didn't. Dwight Eisenhower didn't. John F. Kennedy didn't. Lyndon Johnson didn't. Richard Nixon didn't. Ford and Carter didn't. Reagan attended more than most Presidents ever did, but still usually didn't. Bush the Elder usually didn't. Clinton did a couple of times, but mostly didn't.


What if we go all the way back to Presidents like Abraham Lincoln, or George Washington? Turns out that they didn't either.


Why? Because if they did, they would do almost nothing else.


The President of the United States is the leader of hundreds of millions of people. Part of his job is to command hundreds of thousands of people in the military. The next time you vote for a President, I hope you think very hard about that, because that's one of the most important things any President ever does.


But one thing he generally doesn't do is attend the funeral of every fallen service man. Mind you, a good one wishes he could attend every such funeral. A good one feels it like a knife in his gut every time a soldier falls. But he can't be there every time a soldier falls. He just can't.


If you don't understand that, then, to be blunt, you lack maturity



Yep, the above-mentioned was just put on MSNBC. Hardly digging deep for
exist, as you said, and I was hoping to alert someone to that with my post. Thanks for the support.
It's called your brain. It's somewhere in that deep skull (nm)
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And you are so deep in denial a forklift couldn't....
drag you out. Repeat after me: ohhhhbaaaamaaaa.

Gag me is right!!
and I live in the deep south so do not know any autoworkers - nm
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Very sincere here, I know the country is in deep trouble with the ......sm
constantly-growing unemployment lines, the banking crisis, stock market debacle, fall-out of our gross national product, growing mortgage crises, etc., but as much as I support our President and feels that he has the initiative, the drive, the intelligence, altruism, the humanitarianism, etc., to get this country turned around (and boy do we need a total 180 degree here), I really feel it is being pushed way too aggressively and hastily,.....haste makes more waste, and boy we do not need more of THAT.  I see many good ideas in the O plan,  and we certainly need a change in the banking laws, corporate tax structure, etc., but I have been reading as much as I can, and I have to agree with the moderate Republicans (is the sky falling yet?), there is a lot of JUNK in the Obama Solution that is really just contributing more to our national debt, and will not do anything substantial for the common folk, which is supposedly what this whole Bill is about.  There is suffering and people are desperate, but if we pass the wrong plan, we will be living with even more misery and debt that our great-grandchildren will not even be able to pay off.  Good solid social programs, yes, educational programs, yes, work programs, yes, help with our medical system, yes, but man, there are so many pet projects in their it looks like a lobbyist's dream.  Slow down a bit, think a lot more, and perhaps we can really trim that "baby" into a truly successful plan!!  Okay, off the , call me SCARED and confused, yes democrats have open minds and limits to spending!
Patronizing fake concern for the doggies.
Why don't you post a message with something IN it for a change:) Might help you get rid of some pent up hostility of your own.
My concern lies more with the lying than the faith...
There are plenty of good people who are Muslim, just as there are plenty of bad people who claim to be Christian. I see it in my church. You cannot judge an entire religion on the actions of the few, but I am troubled that he would lie about his religion to get elected. However, I am really not sure what religion he is. I dislike his politics, nonetheless. I think we are in a world of hurt either way, to be honest.
Not deep, issue-based political discourse, is it?
It can be entertaining if you don't take it seriously though.
Unclench butt cheeks, take a deep breath, and
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Your deep-seated denial is purely pathlogic and
is very telling about how hard you work to keep yourself insulated from the truth. There is no reason for Palestinians to exaggerate the atrocious fatality figures. Besides that, a survey of multiple new sources both inside and outside the US reveal these figures are amazingly consistent. They are compiled by hospital and (nonpartisan) humanitarian workers and the Red Crescent (the Middle East's equivalent to the Red Cross) which services the entire region, including Israel. The figures are notoriously CONSERVATIVE estimates, reflecting reported deaths and nearly always are later replaced with high numbers once the dust settles on the carnage.

"Their word against ours?" How childish can you get? This statement strongly implies a person who is interested in covering up the truth rather than getting to it. Why would you do that? Who is "ours?" WE are eyewitness to nothing, except a sanitized version of US mainstream media war reporting.

Actually see the bodies? Ever since Viet Nam, we have not had access to those images because the government learned that if you show the carnage, it turns the tide of public opinion against the war.

Be careful what you ask for. I can hook you up with some links.
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2008/12/29/updated-gaza-massacre-photo-gallery/
http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/12/27/haitham-sabbah-photos-of-the-day/
http://www.ccun.org/Opinion%20Editorials/2009/January/2%20o/Gaza%20Massacre%20in%20Pictures,%20January%202,%202009.htm

About that hiding behind women and children crack/statement which you are parroting from the lying media mouthpieces. Gaza is the 6th most densely populated area in the world. There are 10,792 people per square mile in Gaza. Gaza is an occupied territory which has been blockaded for the past 18 months by Israel. There is no escape. There is no way out. And there is no possible way that Hamas (who live in Gaza and are citizens themselves) can NOT be among the civilian population. Weapons in mosques? Maybe. Maybe not. Where's the proof? This is the claim of the occupier. Sorry, I need convincing.

You're right. Bad guys don't always wear uniforms. Some of them wear suits and hide behind big impressive titles like prime minister, president, chairman and the like.
I fear this is just the proverbial tip of that immensely deep iceberg.
Is there no end to the felonius character of that man we used to call President of the United States?  Talk about Big Brother!!!  And to think those commenting on you earlier posting were paranoid about "Government" being involved in everything!  Kind of ironic!
Where was the concern of anyone when Saddam was killing the Iraqi people?
I must say, this is one of the most egregious of all arguments that is made in this country, or any country.  Saddam tortured, killed, maimed and raped his own people for decades and not a word was said.  Now with a chance for a free Iraq, this concern surfaces. Where was it all these years?
My biggest concern is National Security. Obama
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If your biggest concern in life is the Palins, consider yourself blessed. nm
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