Yes, the chips exist honey. I was speaking directly to the hysteria evoked
Posted By: by the 1-world govt. malarkey. -GG on 2008-03-22
In Reply to: The chips are definitely real. sm - LVMT
It shows a distinct lack of knowledge about the world and the peoples who inhabit it.
As to those that perpetuate this mythos...well, if you allow anyone to prey on your fears, you give them power over you. People need to investigate all sides of an issue, not just the perspective they agree with or the one spoonfed to them.
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The chips are definitely real. sm
Here is an article in Computer World about the RFID chip.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyId=13&articleId=9070358&intsrc=hm_topic
Also, Google Real ID. They want to microchip that too. You will not be able to fly without it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080321/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/secure_driver_s_licenses
Implanted Chips in Our Troops? sm
Implanted Chips in Our Troops?
A Florida company wants to get under the skin of 1.4 million U.S. servicemen and women. VeriChip Corp, based in Delray Beach, Fla., and described by the D.C. Examiner as one of the most aggressive marketers of radio frequency identification chips, is hoping to convince the Pentagon to allow them to insert the chips, known as RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) chips under the skin of the right arms of U.S. servicemen and servicewomen to enable them to scan an arm and obtain that person’s identity and medical history. The chips would replace the legendary metal dog tags that have been worn by U.S. military personnel since 1906.
The device is usually implanted above the triceps area of an individual’s right arm, but can also by implanted in the hand if scanned at the proper frequency. The VeriChip responds with a unique 16-digit number, which can correlate the user to information stored on a database for identity verification, medical records access and other uses. The insertion procedure is performed under local anesthetic, and once inserted it is invisible to the naked eye.
The company, which the Examiner notes has powerful political connections, is in discussions” with the Pentagon, VeriChip spokeswoman Nicole Philbin told the Examiner. The potential for this technology doesn’t just stop at the civilian level,” Philbin said. Company officials have touted the chips as versatile, able to be used in a variety of situations such as helping track illegal immigrants or giving doctors immediate access to patient’s medical records.
On Monday the Department of State started to issue electronic passports (e-passports) equipped with RFID chips. According to reports the U.S. government has placed an order with a California company, Infineon Technologies North America, for smart chip-embedded passports.
The Associated Press said the new U.S. passports include an electronic chip that contains all the data contained in the paper version name, birth date, gender, for example and can be read by digital scanners at equipped airports. They cost 14 percent more than their predecessors but the State Department said they will speed up going through Customs and help enhance border security.
The company's hefty political clout is typified by having former secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, Tommy Thompson, on its board of directors.
Thompson assured the Examiner that the chip is safe and that no one — not even military personnel, who are required by law to follow orders — will be forced to accept an implant against his or her will. He has also promised to have a chip implanted in himself but could not tell the Examiner when.
I’m extremely busy and I’m waiting until my hospitals and doctors are able to run some screens, he told the newspaper.
Not everybody agrees with Thompson, the Examiner reported, noting that the idea of implanting the chips in live bodies has some veterans’ groups and privacy advocates worried.
It needs further study,” Joe Davis, a retired Air Force major and a spokesman for the D.C. office of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, told the Examiner.
And Liz McIntyre, co-author with Katherine Albrecht of Spychips: How Major Corporations and Government Plan to Track your Every Move with RFID, said that VeriChip is a huge threat” to public privacy.
They’re circling like vultures for any opportunity to get into our flesh,” McIntyre told the Examiner. They’ll start with people who can’t say no, like the elderly, sex offenders, immigrants and the military. Then they’ll come knocking on our doors.”
In an e-mail to the Examiner, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., wrote: If that is what the Defense Department has in mind for our troops in Iraq, there are many questions that need answers. What checks and balances, safeguards and congressional oversight would there be?” Leahy asked. What less-invasive alternatives are there? What information would be entered on the chips, and could it endanger our soldiers or be intercepted by the enemy?”
The company, the Examiner wrote, is also unsure about the technology. According to company documents, radio frequencies in ambulances and helicopters could disrupt the chips’ transmissions. In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, VeriChip also said it was unsure whether the chip would dislodge and move through a person’s body. It could also cause infections and adverse tissue reactions,” the SEC filing states.
But Philbin downplayed the danger of the chips.
It’s the size of a grain of rice,” she said. It’s like getting a shot of penicillin.”
Newsmax.com
I think he's a few chocolate chips short of
;D
Well don't really call chips and pop food. sm
I agree there needs to be stricter rules with regards what can be bought with foodstamps. On the other hand, as I stated, these people don't want to work, will not work. They'll take it from you one way or another, either through government programs or at the point of a gun.
Pure hysteria, much of what you say.
I might also add, that as a casual observor, your hatred of conservatives, or as you so sweetly call them *CONS* is very evident. It's ludicrous to deny it. Anyone who does not agree with you, even when they are not of the political persuasian you accuse them of being, they are labeled and you send up a cry to the moderator and THEN you insult the moderator! LOL. You duplicity is quite obvious. Except, perhaps, to you. Let the flames begin!
Can we say mass hysteria?..(sm)
Wow.. It's unbelievable the conceit that Americans have. One world government? -- that would be based on speculation. What makes you think other countries would even agree to being under the same rule as the US when (especially since the reign of Bush) other countries look at us like we're idiots and war mongers? Let's take Canada for example. They don't have the same problems as the US. In my view they are a much more progressive country with not nearly the problems with special interest groups as the US. Did you know that in order to become a Canadian citizen you have to first prove that you have a viable income? There are many other countries with successful governments. What makes you think they want a bunch of Americans messing that up?
No need to say "mass hysteria" yet
wait awhile, it'll come and I'd bet you'll end up in the mass hysteria too.
All the useless hysteria here lately.
I did not say oppression did not exist...
what I did say was that it would be worse had it not been for a lot of fed-up white Republicans, and history bears that out, if you would take the time to look at it.
And friend, whites are being oppressed as well. Any time you take race strictly (no matter what race) as the qualifier for ANYthing whether it be a job, a scholarship, being pulled over by a cop, etc...is WRONG. It is wrong for a black or Hispanic or Asian or whatEVER to be given a scholarship based strictly on race over a caucasian who is academically superior. Yep, WRONG. And it is WRONG for a cop to pull over someone strictly because they are black. Yep, WRONG. However, federal LAW mandates the educational and job discrimination, and in an effort to "make up" to blacks for oppression, now we oppress Caucasians? That is no more right. Federally imposed quotas? How is that RIGHT?
I don't know where "around here" is, but if you can prove people are not hiring qualified races other than Caucasian there is a federal remedy. And there certainly is not a federal remedy for not hiring someone who is caucasian because they are caucasian? You think that does not happen? Are YOU living in a bubble?
What I said was racism is wrong and I said that clearly. And that means it is wrong no matter WHAT race it is aimed at...black, white, yellow, red, or polka-dotted!! PERIOD.
So right you are. O will only allow MSNBC to exist...
to ask those tough presidential questions like boxers or briefs and what talking points would you like us to use today sir?
opportunities do exist for everyone...
some people just choose not to avail themselves of them. they prefer to have other people take care of them while they sit and do nothing but complain.
That doesn't even exist!!!
Stop watiching MSLSD and get a LIFE!!! You people are so stupid you are going to let this country be taking over by faciist socialists. Are you blind!!!
Christianity did not exist............. sm
in the name of Christianity until Jesus left this earth. (Acts 11:26). Homosexuality was defined as wrong long before that.
Sure but outright hysteria and overdramatization
of known facts is another. the media controls the day, and the media has self-appointed themselves to be our checks and balances which is SCARY!!!
All the hysteria about Obama on this forum
that it's ignorant and very dangerous.) Look at where all the hysteria has been leading some of McCain's supporters. Suddenly there's a tangible threat of violence from these people, and it started sounding like a lynch mob. That mentality seems to be far to pervasive on MT Stars.
How much you want to bet these same problems will exist in 2008? nm
The word "abortion" did not even exist....
when the Bible was written. The Bible is very clear on murder. The strict Hebrew translation of the word that has been translated as "kill" in "Thou shalt not kill" should actually be "Thou shalt not murder." The word means premeditated killing of another human being. Which is exactly what abortion is. Abortion kills the baby...equals murder. I don't know how you can be sure "plenty of it was going on during biblical times." But, if it was, the Bible was very clear on it. It was...and is...murder. Yes, it has been legalized but it does not change what it is. Just call it what it is. Yes, it kills the baby, and we don't care, the mother's need trumps the baby's right to life. That is the unvarnished truth of it.
does this word exist, or is it made up?...nm
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And do you have any basis that these allegations DO NOT exist?
Obama's whole campaign has been hype and hysteria...
lol. Good grief.
Do not fall for this hysteria... we all need calm heads
or we will all be in trouble, republican and democrats. This is becoming the perfect storm for socialism if we do not stop being led around by those trying to play on our emotions.
This is not hysteria - it is people expressing their concerns
The moment somebody brings up something that is questionable (and with good reason) about Obama the liberals are quick to say it's hysteria. Watching all the news stations its the same way. It was even brought up on one of the stations tonight about the vicious attacks on Palin. Now their coming out with a porn movie intentionally starring someone that looks like her (I'll be a lot of the liberals and liberal media are happy about that). But once again I heard the liberals say that the poor democrats have been "picked on" for so long that this is okay behavior. The disgusting way they turn it around and will say conservatives are "picking on Obama", but with their dirty campaign tactics and commercials they are only "bringing to light" the truths about McCain. It's all very one sided and I see that on this board too.
Conservatives have a very real and very valid concern about Obama and his shady past (to include where he was born and if he is actually legitimate to become president). The people who are his mentors, spiritual advisors, who gave him his start in politics, and the people who are advising him, along with the dirty bashing from liberal media, makes it very hard for one to have any "faith" in this person. He is so busy covering up his past, his voting record, the people he associates with, etc, etc. Sure he's a stellar speaker. After all - he is a lawyer. He knows how to capture his audience with stories. But lynch mob....I'm hearing it on Obama's side too.
It's hard not to laugh at unfounded hysteria.
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And where do these "fresh" soldiers exist? Appalachia?
You seem to forget some of our troops have served 5 tours.......Army personnel are committing suicide at an alarming rate.....there is no draft....the whole premise for the war on Iraq was based on deceit.....can't you dig up some other reason to hate Obama? Your arguments are becoming less and less convincing...even though they have been transparent BS from the get go, IMHO.
Common sense does not exist with the dems
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If there already exist specific written policies
pertaining to personal workspace adornment (size, number and/or appropriateness of photographs, posters, banners, political content, sports memorabilia, etc.) then I would agree with you. If you don't like the policy, don't work there. Your office is not your personal gallery.
If the company doesn't want somebody hanging up a Soviet flag, then they're probably going to have to prohibit Old Glory as well.
However, if this is a policy formulated on the spur of the moment to appease a complainer, then I disagree. What's next? An Ohio State fan complaining about a Michigan pennant in the next cubicle?) Nor do I agree that new policies should be formulated after the fact to deal with an existing situation just because nobody foresaw it. If it's an important issue, then a rule should already cover it.
If this is a public area (waiting room/reception area) then I am sure the company must have had the foresight to write a standard regarding decor, since all visitors will see this. In my opinion, if it ain't covered in that policy, it should be okay.
Interesting that people voluntarily come to this country, going to considerable effort to get here, then so easily become offended and need special accommodations. What is it they don't understand about "liberty"? If an American coworker complained about the Ugandan flag in a neighboring workspace, there would be h*ll to pay! Disciplinary action against the complainer. Law suits! ACLU involvement! Paid leave and free counseling for the Ugandan employee to get over the trauma of the event!
Mob mentality and mass hysteria of Biblical proportions.
for a change. Tell us what we need to hear. McCain's economic plan and "shared party philosophy" is different from Bush how?
Well point to the law that directly gives
our military authority over the U.N.? Where is the AGREEMENT that says we have to approve military action through the U.N.? It was not covered in my college political science class or the numerous classes I took between high school and college. We have consulted the U.N. before taking military action AND consulted and worked with the UN for YEARS on the Iraq situation. Iraq/S Saddam consistently and constantly thumbed his nose to the U.N. authorities and broke inspection agreements. I know that not every one in the U.N. supported the war, but if I'm remembering the correctly there was not enough opposition to put up a direct U.N. declaration to oppose the war.
I think we are reading different versions of history and the laws of the land.
Post directly above this
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Huh? Two of the posters are directly below
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Really? A lib posted directly under here
and presented an interesting challenge to sm about the Bloomberg article in "while analyzing those millions." Instead of claiming that liberals "always attack the messenger," talking about how they don't want to be educated, making wisecracks about mindreading and trying to belittle them for ALWAYS being on the attack, why don't you pitch in and help sm answer that little puzzler about the FDIC funds referred to in the article? So far, we see no one stepping forward to answer that challenge. It's not that hard. She gave 2 clues.
Well I actually do believe he was talking directly
about the O when he was addressing their failed PM. Two failures in charge of countries. I think if the PM can come sliming here begging for money, this guy should come over and explain to our congress (cos they don't evidentally get it) what they have done to the economy of the world. But the speach he gave might as well been talking right to the enlightened one.
It was a reply to the post directly above it...
"In his private career, seems like he did a lot of work for the poor and several civil rights cases. I guess that would make some conservatives a little afraid of him :-)"
It is the taunt I was replying to. Democrats have not in the past had a stellar reputation for championing the civil rights of African Americans and I pointed that out. And they became interested in the poor African American AFTER they finally got the right to vote. Coincidence?
Again, respectfully...replying the the taunt.
To answer your question directly
Would I accept less to save a MTSO, no I would not, but then we're not making near what the auto workers are making, apples and oranges. I feel I pesonally have to take a stand regarding ASR and pay for such. What they're asking us to take is ridiculous. Regardless of global economy, we still live in the good ole US of A and have a certain standard of living to uphold. As long as it is possible I will not do ASR nor will I edit reports being typed abroad. I left MQ last year, refusing to put up with their nonsense. Thankfully I only have a few years til retirement.
I did address it directly. In the post above....
and you proved my point about the attacking. Typical dem.
Took your advice - went directly to the source -
Okay, went to the source. Says the same thing - Obama 49, McCain 47 with likely voters.
Drudge shows the facts. You were okay with them when they favored your candidate.
What I am hearing is if Obama was so much better than McCain he would certainly have a much larger lead (like 20 points or more), but he doesn't, which goes to show that it is a very close race and you need to prepare yourself that either candidate could win.
Thanks for that info. I did go directly to this man's site...
and he talks about his email there also. I don't put much stock in any web-based sites; too much can be fabricated through the guise of anonymity.
I am talking Palin directly
That person who protrayed herself to be so righteous, so godly, Miss Goody-Goody has lots of skeletons in her closet yet to be all shaken out. It was really, really important when all just held onto every little word or piece of clothing that did not belong to her in the first place discussed. I am glad to see her falling off that high horse, yes I am.
With all due respect, I didn't bring up white racists (which I know exist), I was talking about s
the people who are zealous about white power and who will feel compelled to do something bad about a black president. I know it could go either way, but my post was stated because of the high probability that our next President will be black. I understand you completely when you say that there are white racists.
As for Louis Farrkhan, my college roommate was a member of the Nation of Islam and was so racist. She once told me that the reason white folks have those red dots in their eyes
when pictures are taken is because they are all evil and are satan's children. She truly believed that. It was very difficult living with her and I tried to get a transfer out of there, but couldn't and had to put up with A LOT of racism from this black woman. So, I know all about reverse racism.
Bravo Zauber..well said and directly to the point..
I will never understand how people think that opposing an erroneous(in this case fictional and delusional) government policy is unpatriotic and a detriment to our troops. I don't want to see any more die for reasons that do not nor have ever existed.
If someone ever posts something directly about one of Obama's children...
like that nastiness posted about Sarah Palin's daughter, I would be criticizing that as well. THere is absolutely NO reason for bringing a candidate's children into the political battleground. I have seen nothing posted here about lies about Obama's family other than some posters taking shots at the way the two women dress, and Cindy McCain got it as bad as Michelle Obama. I think that is pretty silly on both sides. I saw someone post what Michelle said about being proud of her country. It went away pretty quickly. I saw a lot of worse things about cindy Mcain winning her battle over prescriptin drug addiction, but the posts were much more hateful, mean, and personal.
Michelle Obama was out stumping for her husband and she said something in public people thought she should explain.
Barack Obama used drugs in his youth and was open about it. No one here condemned that. yet they tore the hide of Cindy McCain in strips because she admitted an addiction to prescription drugs because of an injury. do you find that fair? At ALL fair?
Why can't we at the very LEAST leave minor children out of this???
That should read: McCain directly denied
then continue reading the above post. time for another cup of coffee.
The moderator asked you to stop directly below this post.
You don't know the meaning of the word *respectful.* You want to come here and censor this board and lay down the law about what is *newsworthy* and what isn't, the same way you people want to control every aspect of every American's life. How ya makin' out in that regard? Not too well, eh? 
You and your other sidekick(personality?) below don't come here to debate.
You come here to incite, and regardless of your promises, you'll never leave. Nobody is bothering you on your board, and you have to release your evil vile hatred somewhere or else you will explode, so you come here.
If you want to see vicious, consult the nearest mirror.
Typical pub. Can't address a single issue directly.
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Evidently, pubs didn't care that McC directly denied
tried to diffuse all the scare tactics fall-out. What I want to know is why would McC supporters and their campaign turn a blind eye to a frightened senile old woman and keep right on pushing agendas that will produce more such embarrassing moments for their own candidate? Is this the kind of leadership we can expect under a McCain regime? How disconnected is this candidate from his own campaign management and supporters? Is that really the picture you want to paint for him? How much more fuel do you guys intend to use to stoke the fires of ignorance, division and deceit?
McCain seemed really sad last night when he tried to reassure that shaking, frail, senile old woman, but instead of looking presidential, he just looked like a beaten down has-been. Congratuations on an utterly moronic campaign strategy. Enjoy the fall-out.
Not to mention that the "Jihaad" holy war itself was caused directly from Daddy Bush having to
rush in with Desert Storm in order to secure the oil wells, securing the oil for all his oil baron friends and himself. Bin Laden himself said that when we rushed in, we had "tainted" Muslim soil and felt he had to retaliate. Of course, these are the ravings of a madman, but Bush policies directly inflamed the already hostile Taliban fighters. Also, the Bush and Bin Laden families have a long history in the business world, and the night of September 11th, the government made it pssible for Bin Laden family members in this country to flee and not face retaliation........please look it up in the newgroups, I have seen many amazing documentaries about these facts on Discovery, History Channel, Military Channel, and some of the news channels.
Honey
Hands down. You ask for information when someone calls you on your lack of information. Someone GIVES you information and they are a drama queen. No, you just don't want to know anything except your own one-sided tunnel vision world. It's too damn bad because people on the left AND right are acting like that instead of getting educated. Carry on with your limited scope of knowledge. You have lots of friends here to reinforce you. I actually agree. I give up,too. I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. 
Oh honey, you know better than that....they ain't
They are so easily led. Plenty of very well educated around here and they sure as heck are not sucked into that big hole that is Obama. I'm sorry you don't have any religion or beliefs or whatever, maybe that's your problem. And sorry you feel you need government to tell you how to spend your money. Educated people do not need government telling them how to spend their money. Heck, even those with very little don't need that. Unfortunately, they've been bottle fed that they have to have more government since birth, and some just never get a clue.
You're so desperate and bitter and it shows.
Oh no, honey, it's already WAY up there.
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Honey, you most definitely need a --
--- JOB.
That's why we vote, honey. If you don't like it,
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