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You're as likely to get an apology from Ann (sm)

Posted By: ... on 2006-06-12
In Reply to: Don't take it so personal...sm - Democrat

as we're likely to get an apology from PK and the other trolls.  Let it go.  The thread has been hijacked, so we'll slip away and let them have their temper tantrums.  When they find out no one is listening they'll crawl back under their bridge and/or troll their other haunts.  The other solution is that is adults here could just ignore them and continue on with our conversation.  It's your call 




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Don't owe anyone an apology

...BTW nobody has apologized for calling me a liar....not that I expected it....grow some skin.


No apology necessary...nm

Apology...sm
I wouldnt suggest anyone hold their breath waiting on any apology from Bush. Bush really does believe that it is *unacceptable to think* anything differently than what he is able to articulate.

He does not get it. It is because we do not want to be compared to islamofascist that we (dems and reps alike) *think* America should follow Geneva Conventions and not redefine them because it is only right. If we redefine, others will to. You can take that to the bank and cash it.

Will the terrorist follow the GC anyway - probably not - but we will be in a better position to deal with them if we have legally handled our POWs. I guess, it is *unacceptable to think* that Bush will get it.
I own you a apology for....

When I engage in political discussions, I try my best to keep things in the 3rd person as much as possible, especially since I try to promote mutual respect and tolerance.   I find that even in the most oppositional debates, it helps keeps things more civil.  I do not always succeed, and at times have been known to abadon that principal, especially when facing someone bent on personal attack or who is presenting ill-informed arguments.  I have followed some of your other posts and know that you certainly do not fit that category.  On close review, I notice I got a bit sloppy with the 3rd person thing.  I apologize if I came across as too presumptive, particularly since I cannot assume anything about your (or you family) in terms of being conservative or bigoted.


 


The 59 flea market is alive and well, although it is a bit of an anachronism by now.  Don’t know about the crime, except to say that there is usually a patrol car within sight cruising that vicinity on the weekends.  I used to go there all the time back in the day, but it is too hot and I am too old for that now.  That’s why I frequent those modern day flea markets along Harwin which can be found in air-conditioned buildings.


 


Bellaire was relatively middle class when we moved there.  It is its own city, so they have actually gone in the opposite direction and have gentrified the joint. over the last 10 years, give or take.  Unfortunately, our post-war bungalows are rapidly disappearing and those obnoxious, abrasive McMansions are popping up everywhere.  I suppose that’s progress to some, sad for me.  We moved there after my parents divorced from Highland Park in Dallas, which is an elite place to be sure.  The journey from “privileged” status to champion of the underdog makes for some interesting conversation…perhaps another day.


 


We are also bound to revisit the legal vs illegal immigration thing…it is not likely to go away anytime soon.  I am more intrigued by your issues post above and hope to respond to it in a day or so,    Dem turned independent, are you?  Even though I stay pretty much left of center, and have been more radicalized further in that direction after 8 years of Bush, I hear ya.  My issues with the party are not based so much on the candidate but rather lay with the party itself and the need to broaden our two-part system.  Whether or not I like Obama (and I do), I would still be voting along party lines in spite of that, because I see McCain as an instant replay in many respects, particularly where the war is concerned.  The "economy is not my strong suit" confession makes me rea nevous.  I do respect your decision to pull out, though. 


 


I listen to CNN and Fox, mostly with my teeth clenched.  I think Lou Dobbs' obsession with the immigration is a bit inflammatory and counterproductive (no suprise there) in terms of reaching a viable bipartisan consensus, but I will say this much for him.  For the most part, he presents himself in a respectable and respectful manner.  He raises some interesting points that have made me question some of my more radical views on other issues.  I do think he is the type of person that could engage and promote bipartisan cooperation, so in that respect, when I watch his show, my jaw is more relaxed!  Anyway, I think that a write-in vote is a great way to resolve any disenchantment you may have for the other 2 candidates. 


My apology then (nm)
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I owe an apology to no one...
and I am not the one obsessed with ice cream on this board. I prefer to keep my svelte figure rather than pigging out on ice cream and becoming rotund.
An apology for what?
The UN didn't do anything - or did I miss something?
Where did you go? No apology for Democrat?

Apology accepted
Thank you.
Apology accepted S/M

One great thing about this country is our freedom of speech.  A good thing for me too as in another country I might be beheaded or something as I'm pretty outspoken about things I believe in strongly.  Also, anyone has the right to agree or disagree with either of us and that is partly what makes this country great, I think.


I would love to hear of your life's journey.  I came from near poverty....my dad was a farmer, both parents uneducated....their goal was to make a better life for their children through education.  I made it all the way to upper middle class which is good enough for me.  I traveled many a rocky road though during my life.


I used to love going to the 59 flea market but like you, I now prefer my comfort over flea marketing outdoors.  One thing I can say is since I left Houston in 1990, it sure has changed.  My husband, a Chicago native, and I were visiting the kids once and we were going to drive back to my daughter's house in Tomball to spend the night from my son's house in Magnolia.  Well, not being so familiar with the Magnolia/Tomball area from living there....except for the famous chicken fried steak place in Tomball...forget the name right now, we missed a turn.  I'm about half night blind and after we drove around for quite awhile looking for something I recognized, finally saw the street sign for Gesner so I knew exactly where I was, right?  Wrong.  Didn't realize they'd opened up Gesner half way to Conroe. LOL  We finally got to my daughter's house after a couple of hours, she and my son were about to send out a search party.  We didn't have a cell then.


Have a good day and I do enjoy your posts.


Well, TT...please accept my apology...
I spoke out of turn. While I do have personal knowledge of Mexican immigrants who became citizens, I don't know anyone in the DAR personally. I should not have made that comment. Not like me, but as I stated, trotter pushes my buttons. At any rate...shame on me.

And as to being a daughter of the confedracy, I have no problems there either. I have a friend who is a descendant of Robert E. Lee. He was a fascinating man. His decision to secede took a horrible toll on him. He wanted to preserve the Union as much as Lincoln did. Both great men with great vision.

So, TT, accept my apology for the "tea" comment. Fell prey to stereotypical comment, was wrong of me to do. I would love to learn more about the DAR, so I am going to practice what I preach, and start reading.

You go girl! :)
Okay...apology inside.

Sorry for involving everyone in what turned into a personal confrontation.  In stepping back as some of you have suggested, I examined my feelings and I do feel badly.  I took it too personally and I should not have, though when someone says "you this" and "you that" it is hard not to take it personally.  It is hard not to take it personally when someone calls you a bigot, ignorant...and many other not-so-nice names.  I got my back up...but that is a human reaction in my opinion.  I jus should have shut it down sooner, I agree.


In GW's defense, I think she is very frustrated with the immigration situation because of incidents close to her, understandable, and I became the personification of all she hates about Republicans, conservatives etc., in effect, the object of venting.  Again, I should not have taken it so personally and tried to understand more where that hatred was coming from.


So, I apologize to GW, I apologize to all of you, that I let it get out of hand.  Hard as it may be for some of you to believe, I am not a confrontational person.  Every one of us, at some point, gets all we can stand and feel like we have to stand up.  I just should not have kept it going so long.  We were beating a dead horse and we should have stopped...both of us.


So...sorry, GW.  I know we do not agree on many things and never will.  However, I am as responsible as you for it going on for so long.  And for that I apologize, to you and to others on the board.


And I appreciate the wise moderator who just let it play out.    Cooling myself off.  :)


Apology accepted s/m
Now I really gotta git over yonder and git a haircut before I have to start payin' dog tax on my shaggy head!
Apology accepted - thank you. (sm)
I agree with you about the pork - I know it's always been there, but that's not an excuse to keep it there, especially when most of it is just for trash that couldn't pass on its own merit if put up for a vote.

I try not to go off the deep end about what's going on, but I don't think being concerned at this point is unreasonable. My concern is where is all the money going to come from, even if the stimulus happens? This is the largest national debt we've ever run up and somewhere along the line, we're going to have to pay for it and our kids are going to have to pay for it. And even if all's going well and we all have jobs and our mortgages are no longer in crisis, it's still going to mean higher taxes somewhere (not just income - could be gas, produce, city taxes, state taxes, property taxes, etc.), and not just for the wealthy. It's gonna hit all of us and all of our children.

It is a nonpartisan issue and I can't stand to see this country divided by 'right' and 'left.' I think I can say with quite a bit of certainty that everyone on this board is a taxpayer (since we're all working) and we should be mad as he11 with BOTH sides for doing what they're doing. No one is in the right here, it's just all wrong and has been for a long time. I just wish something had happened about it years ago instead of letting it get this far.
Apology accepted - thank you. (sm)
I agree with you about the pork - I know it's always been there, but that's not an excuse to keep it there, especially when most of it is just for trash that couldn't pass on its own merit if put up for a vote.

I try not to go off the deep end about what's going on, but I don't think being concerned at this point is unreasonable. My concern is where is all the money going to come from, even if the stimulus happens? This is the largest national debt we've ever run up and somewhere along the line, we're going to have to pay for it and our kids are going to have to pay for it. And even if all's going well and we all have jobs and our mortgages are no longer in crisis, it's still going to mean higher taxes somewhere (not just income - could be gas, produce, city taxes, state taxes, property taxes, etc.), and not just for the wealthy. It's gonna hit all of us and all of our children.

It is a nonpartisan issue and I can't stand to see this country divided by 'right' and 'left.' I think I can say with quite a bit of certainty that everyone on this board is a taxpayer (since we're all working) and we should be mad as he11 with BOTH sides for doing what they're doing. No one is in the right here, it's just all wrong and has been for a long time. I just wish something had happened about it years ago instead of letting it get this far.
N. Korea wants an apology from the U.N.

He's threatening nuclear missles now if he doesn't get the apology


Instead of all the governments playing patty cake with these radical leaders, we should just take them out once and for all.


While O is trying to reduce our defense abilities, these leaders are building up theirs. When is the world (including our country) going to realize you can't deal with leaders like this in a rational manner? "Speak softly but carry a big stick" is the motto we should be following.


 


There was an apology request.

The Security Council must apologize for infringing on the North's sovereignty and "withdraw all its unreasonable and discriminative resolutions and decisions" against the North, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.


Otherwise, the regime "will be compelled to take additional self-defensive measures," including "nuclear tests and test-firings of intercontinental ballistic missiles," the ministry said.


Stardust - still waiting for your apology.
It's been close to a day. After my challenge to you I waited a few hours and nothing. You couldn't find one of my posts where you acused me of racist comments. I knew you wouldn't find one because it's not in my nature and I'm sure by now you know I am a black woman. So after a few hours I re-posted and within the half hour you came back and said see, there your comment about Michelle Obama.

My answer to you was that you accused me before I made that comment. Besides there was nothing racist about the comment I made about Michelle Obama and the way you stereotype how you think us black folk should talk and therefore assumed I was white.

So you know you were wrong yet no apology. That just goes to show me you are a racist yourself. I have no more time for this.
apology accepted, deeni,
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Accept my sincerest apology for s/m
""lumping"" you in.  I totally agree with you about both sides being guilty of the outrageous spending.  The pork has always been there -- this is a very old concept.  I infuriates me to hear the conservatives putting all the blame on the other side, when this has always been a nonpartisan issue.  I just think it is ridiculous to jump to conclusions before anything is given a reasonable amount of time to see if it works or not and, I, for one, am willing to be a little more patient before I start going off the deep end.
My objection to Obama's apology
I see him only heaping scorn on this country and blaming former administration (really only the last one)  for ''arrogance'' for bad behavior,  for a mess he complains he is now stuck cleaning up, etc.  Everything happened pre-Obama.  Everything is now perfect under his regime.  ''I apologize for those dopes.  It won't happen again because I am here to save the day.''   Yuck! 
Truly caring about your country needs no apology....
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So you didn't let her apology stop you from attacking her.

I know it's hard for you, but try to pay attention.  Sheesh!


It would be so nice if you weren't here. SM












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Posted By: Brunson on 2005-09-03,
In Reply to:
They will never stop. Look at the post below where Brunson hopes that somebody is *hounded* off - Libby



Perhaps you enjoy stories with no kind of facts to them. I am sure you probably do. The fact remains, nanananana comes on here and tells us to stay off YOUR board which we have already done and here you are. Tell me again, WHO is it who will NEVER stop? You are looking like a fool. Since the high road seems to have disappeared for you, try the low road. Any road. Just go.


President Bush owes me no apology.
He has my profound gratitude for keeping us safe since 9/11.  Nuff said.
Olbermann: "You owe this country an apology." sm
Another great special comment from Keith Olbermann. 
You will wait a long time for an apology for me. sm

In fact, I DEMAND an apology for falsely accusing any of us, after the moderator already told you, that we did not contact her.  An article about Presidente Bush being clinically insane would definitely appear to violate the rules of the board, as posted REPEATEDLY.  How dare you, sir!  To quote your hero, Olberman.


A mere acceptance of my apology would have sufficed.
In the south, it would have been the honorable thing to do.
Ummm...guess you didn't see the apology below....
I had not read through all the threads yet. You took exception to McCain but it looks like you and I have a bit of a hair trigger ourselves....eh?

I am not hung up on Sarah Palin. I do like her. I think she is the most genuine of the 4. I think that is the way she talks in her everyday life, and doesn't bother to window dress and act like something she isn't. And how she expresses herself has nothing to do with intelligence or the lack thereof.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it (there is a folksy one for ya...lol).

This is my favorite, I use it all the time, and I could apply it to the big O's explanation of his association with Ayers:

Barack, sweetie, that dog don't hunt. lol.


And it's doubtful you will get an apology or retraction from her. Can't admit

The Post (sort of) issued an apology.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Sharpton_Post_editor_insulting_public_with_0219.html


Ironically (LOL), when I read some posts on this board denying this is blatant racism by the Post, the mental image I get is this (hoping it prints):


Hear


My apology,..didn't realize you lived in Sweden...nm
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You're entitled to your opinion. I guess it depends on what side of the spectrum you're on.nm
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We're not defending Bush we're pointing out the obvious
All you see in your view is Bush, Bush, Bush. Nobody else exists. You have yet to answer any of the questions I posed yesterday. We're not the one obsessing about Bush. I'm sure you'll counter that with I don't owe you any answers! It's really telling that for five or six days this board was mute about the Israel/Lebanon situation. You were too busy posting trash news about Bush like nothing was even happening, but I know that the left has wait for its talking points. You all cannot formulate opinions on your own. You have boilerplates ready to go though. *This is Bush's fault because _____________ but you have to wait on Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, etc. etc. to fill in the blanks for you. It's not just a phenomenon here but with all the left. You can count on at least two days of silence when something unforseen breaks out in the world, because they have to retreat to their bunkers to get their talking points straight, but it will always start with *This is Bush's fault because....
Hey, if they're smoking cigs, they're paying for SCHIP.
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They're too lazy to show patriotism......they're waiting
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So you're not racist but you're most definitely SEXIST and AGEIST!!!
"Someone more in our age group..."

"She should be taking care of her family."

Your true colors are showing, and they're truly ugly.
Just because they're LOSING doesn't mean they're VICTIMS.
What is it with people these days? You think that just because Hamas is getting its fanny handed to it that that magically makes them victims, and we should all weep and throw cash at them?

From the dawn of time, lesser civilizations have fallen to stronger ones.

It's why the human species survived and the neanderthals didn't.

It's why Rome conquered the Celts.

It's why the Barbarians conquered the Western Roman Empire.

It's why the British conquered the American Indians.

It's why the Spanish conquered the Aztecs.

It's why the Muslims conquered Israel the first time. But, since their societal progres seems to have permanently parked in the Stone Age, now Israel is conquering them right back.

Deal with it.
You're right. They're simply not worthy of a reply.

They're not tax breaks....they're tax credits
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I'm snotty, you're rude...we're even....
My dearrrr....not everyone in this country pays taxes. So you are wrong there. Obama said "spread the wealth." From his own mouth. The interview in Canada...economic parity and redistribution. Words from HIS mouth. If you believed those words from his mouth as much as you believed other words from his mouth, you would know he is a socialist. Selective memory is a wonderful thing ain't it??
You're right. They're all wack-jobs... nothing
so they try to make themselves feel important by standing around on street corners with their posters and their dollies.

Most of them are just buffoons, good for nothing other than being laughed at by the rest of us. But the ones that totally lose all reason, and go so far as to shoot people (in a church of all places...) is pretty off the deep end.
You're a liar. GT didn't curse. You're a filthy liar, but you are a gift from God.
God sent you here to as a constant reminder of the kind of person I DON'T want to be and if I ever have a bad day when I feel temporarily stupid, all I have to do is read your posts, and I realize there are those out there who are much worse off than I am and for them it's not temporary.
They're doing to this board what they're trying to do

to the whole country.  They're trying to take it over.  They want to control which God you believe in, who you love and what you do with your body, be it regarding life or regarding death.  If you don't voluntarily agree to turn your free will over to their control, they will hunt you down and nag you to death (since they can't do anything more violent on a message board).  It's obvious they are sick, sick people and need major help.


But they ARE like watching a car wreck and are sometimes hard to ignore.


I've thought about it, and for me personally, the very best thing to do is ignore them and for 2 reasons: 


1.  Ignoring them and not reading their posts makes my visit on this board much more pleasant.  I already know I'm not missing anything because there isn't one post on this entire board written by them that has contributed anything of value or intelligence.


2.  If we all refuse to read and respond to their posts, they might give up and go find another board to terrorize.  I doubt that, though, because they've taken over this board and simply don't have the CLASS to leave.  They take pride in their bully on the playground mentality and are proud of their ignorant behavior.  They will probably just continue to pat themselves on their backs on this board.  The only thing that might startle them and cause them to stop is that the NUMBER of posts on the Liberal board are starting to increase heavily as a direct result of their posting.  In the past, they've used the Liberal board's lower numbers to trash us for not being as interesting, when, in fact, the CON board must be pretty boring if they are always choosing to be HERE instead.


Like I said, I've decided that I'd like my visits here to be pleasant, so I'm just going to stop subjecting myself to their cesspools of attacks.  They've proven their posts aren't worth wasting time reading, so I'm just going to stop and will feel much better as a result of stopping.


Your not you're. I hope you're not an MT. nm
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They're children, though. They're not
adults.  Mom and Dad need to know these things even if only to possibly prevent problems later. 
You're welcome.

If I find anything, I'll be sure to post it, but I doubt he's going to be saying much.  I think he understandably wants to distance himself as far away from this administration as he can. 


I wish he would run for President.  I'd very proudly vote for him in a heartbeat!  I'd finally be able to vote for the best candidate instead of the least worst one. 


I agree with you, and I admire and respect him very much.


So I take it you're on your
so you don't mind your grandchildren paying their fair share, right?

Bush Tax Cuts = Tax Shifts
UFE Report: Tax Burden Shifting off Wealthy onto Everyone Else

$197 Billion in Tax Cuts to Top 1% of US Taxpayers as Big as States’ Budget Shortfalls of $200 Billion

BOSTON — A new report, entitled “Shifty Tax Cuts: How They Move the Tax Burden off the Rich and onto Everyone Else,” from United for a Fair Economy (UFE) indicates that between 2002 and 2004, the Bush tax cuts to the top 1% of US income earners redirected billions of dollars in revenue that could have eliminated virtually all of the budget shortfalls in the states.

“Congress had the option to send aid to the states to prevent $200 billion worth of service cuts and regressive tax increases,” said Chris Hartman, UFE’s research director. “Instead, they gave tax breaks totaling roughly the same amount to multi-millionaires and the rest of the top 1%.”

The report identifies five main areas of shifting tax burden:

FEDERAL TO STATE — a 15% shift in tax burden between 2000 and 2003

PROGRESSIVE TO REGRESSIVE — at the federal level, a 17% decline in the share of revenue from progressive taxes and a 135% increase in the share of revenue from regressive taxes since 1962

WEALTH TO WORK — A tax cut on unearned income — such as inheritance or investment — of between 31% and 79%, but a tax hike on work income of 25% since 1980

CORPORATIONS TO INDIVIDUALS — a 67% drop in the share of federal revenues contributed by corporations and a 17% rise in individuals’ share

CURRENT TAXPAYERS TO FUTURE GENERATIONS — record deficits that shift the tax burden to our children and grandchildren

“When President Bush and Congress trumpet, ‘Here’s a tax cut', we say, ‘Taxpayer beware!’ said Chuck Collins, United for a Fair Economy co-founder. “Unless you are super-rich, it’s a tax SHIFT, not a cut. Non-wealthy taxpayers will pay for these tax cuts with increased state and local taxes or cuts in public services.”

“Between 2002 and 2004, a full $197 billion in new tax breaks went to the top 1% of American taxpayers,” Hartman commented. “This is money that has disappeared into the pockets of the very wealthy, making it unavailable to solve ongoing budget crises at the state and local levels.”

“I got a rebate check last summer for $400,” said Collins. “Then my eight-year-old’s public school asked me to contribute money to replace worn-out chairs for the students. At the same time, I found out they laid off the librarian because of budget cuts. What good is a $400 tax cut when parents have to cough up additional money for chairs and books or else see their children go without?”

The report concludes that the total federal, state and local tax burden has become increasingly the responsibility of middle-and low-income families in recent decades, and that revenues being generated by taxes are not sufficient to pay for existing public services. Work in particular is being taxed at a higher rate than investment. “I do a lot of work in predominantly Latino areas of Boston,” said UFE Education Specialist Gloribell Mota. “Residents there are the working poor — they have jobs and pay taxes — yet are getting pennies in tax cuts and seeing health care services they depend on slashed.”

“The Bush administration has followed a strategy of starving public services by pulling tax money away from education and housing and giving it away to multi-millionaires,” said Karen Kraut, UFE’s State Tax Partnership director. “States are suffering as a result, and people are going without essential services in order to fund the lifestyles of the rich.”

The report calls for tax reforms to improve the fairness of tax distribution and ensure adequate revenues. Concerned Americans are urged to pass resolutions in their cities and towns to stop the tax cuts and restore local services that have been affected, to call and write their congressional representatives to take action to stop the cuts, and to sign the Tax Fairness Pledge at www.ResponsibleWealth.org/taxpledge.

The co-authors of the report are Chuck Collins, UFE Co-founder; Chris Hartman, UFE Research Director; Karen Kraut, Director of UFE’s State Tax Partnerships; and Gloribell Mota, UFE Education Specialist.

United for a Fair Economy is an independent national non-profit that raises awareness of growing economic inequality.

You're not getting it
if the Attorney POCKETS most of the winnings how are they any better than the greedy corporations?  Since you think one is more morally ethical than the other eventhough they may both be doing THE SAME EXACT THING....then the debate has ended as far as I'm concerned.
I never said don't come over there, you're the one
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You're welcome.
Have a great day.
You're welcome.
I didn't know it existed, either, but I think it's a really great site and wanted to pass it on.  Some of these guys have said they're afraid to speak the truth and feel they're taking a chance by doing so.