Okay...apology inside.

Sorry for involving everyone in what turned into a personal confrontation.  In stepping back as some of you have suggested, I examined my feelings and I do feel badly.  I took it too personally and I should not have, though when someone says "you this" and "you that" it is hard not to take it personally.  It is hard not to take it personally when someone calls you a bigot, ignorant...and many other not-so-nice names.  I got my back up...but that is a human reaction in my opinion.  I jus should have shut it down sooner, I agree.

In GW's defense, I think she is very frustrated with the immigration situation because of incidents close to her, understandable, and I became the personification of all she hates about Republicans, conservatives etc., in effect, the object of venting.  Again, I should not have taken it so personally and tried to understand more where that hatred was coming from.

So, I apologize to GW, I apologize to all of you, that I let it get out of hand.  Hard as it may be for some of you to believe, I am not a confrontational person.  Every one of us, at some point, gets all we can stand and feel like we have to stand up.  I just should not have kept it going so long.  We were beating a dead horse and we should have stopped...both of us.

So...sorry, GW.  I know we do not agree on many things and never will.  However, I am as responsible as you for it going on for so long.  And for that I apologize, to you and to others on the board.

And I appreciate the wise moderator who just let it play out.    Cooling myself off.  :)

• Okay...apology inside. - sam
  • Bury the hatchet - Me, too
    • Thanks for the hand across the aisle GT... - sam
      • Yw. U went first. More than I could do! nm - Pen name still pending

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...BTW nobody has apologized for calling me a liar....not that I expected it....grow some skin.

When I engage in political discussions, I try my best to keep things in the 3^rd person as much as possible, especially since I try to promote mutual respect and tolerance.   I find that even in the most oppositional debates, it helps keeps things more civil.  I do not always succeed, and at times have been known to abadon that principal, especially when facing someone bent on personal attack or who is presenting ill-informed arguments.  I have followed some of your other posts and know that you certainly do not fit that category.  On close review, I notice I got a bit sloppy with the 3^rd person thing.  I apologize if I came across as too presumptive, particularly since I cannot assume anything about your (or you family) in terms of being conservative or bigoted.

The 59 flea market is alive and well, although it is a bit of an anachronism by now.  Don’t know about the crime, except to say that there is usually a patrol car within sight cruising that vicinity on the weekends.  I used to go there all the time back in the day, but it is too hot and I am too old for that now.  That’s why I frequent those modern day flea markets along Harwin which can be found in air-conditioned buildings.

Bellaire was relatively middle class when we moved there.  It is its own city, so they have actually gone in the opposite direction and have gentrified the joint. over the last 10 years, give or take.  Unfortunately, our post-war bungalows are rapidly disappearing and those obnoxious, abrasive McMansions are popping up everywhere.  I suppose that’s progress to some, sad for me.  We moved there after my parents divorced from Highland Park in Dallas, which is an elite place to be sure.  The journey from “privileged” status to champion of the underdog makes for some interesting conversation…perhaps another day.

We are also bound to revisit the legal vs illegal immigration thing…it is not likely to go away anytime soon.  I am more intrigued by your issues post above and hope to respond to it in a day or so,    Dem turned independent, are you?  Even though I stay pretty much left of center, and have been more radicalized further in that direction after 8 years of Bush, I hear ya.  My issues with the party are not based so much on the candidate but rather lay with the party itself and the need to broaden our two-part system.  Whether or not I like Obama (and I do), I would still be voting along party lines in spite of that, because I see McCain as an instant replay in many respects, particularly where the war is concerned.  The "economy is not my strong suit" confession makes me rea nevous.  I do respect your decision to pull out, though. 

I listen to CNN and Fox, mostly with my teeth clenched.  I think Lou Dobbs' obsession with the immigration is a bit inflammatory and counterproductive (no suprise there) in terms of reaching a viable bipartisan consensus, but I will say this much for him.  For the most part, he presents himself in a respectable and respectful manner.  He raises some interesting points that have made me question some of my more radical views on other issues.  I do think he is the type of person that could engage and promote bipartisan cooperation, so in that respect, when I watch his show, my jaw is more relaxed!  Anyway, I think that a write-in vote is a great way to resolve any disenchantment you may have for the other 2 candidates. 

as we're likely to get an apology from PK and the other trolls.  Let it go.  The thread has been hijacked, so we'll slip away and let them have their temper tantrums.  When they find out no one is listening they'll crawl back under their bridge and/or troll their other haunts.  The other solution is that is adults here could just ignore them and continue on with our conversation.  It's your call 

One great thing about this country is our freedom of speech.  A good thing for me too as in another country I might be beheaded or something as I'm pretty outspoken about things I believe in strongly.  Also, anyone has the right to agree or disagree with either of us and that is partly what makes this country great, I think.

I would love to hear of your life's journey.  I came from near poverty....my dad was a farmer, both parents uneducated....their goal was to make a better life for their children through education.  I made it all the way to upper middle class which is good enough for me.  I traveled many a rocky road though during my life.

I used to love going to the 59 flea market but like you, I now prefer my comfort over flea marketing outdoors.  One thing I can say is since I left Houston in 1990, it sure has changed.  My husband, a Chicago native, and I were visiting the kids once and we were going to drive back to my daughter's house in Tomball to spend the night from my son's house in Magnolia.  Well, not being so familiar with the Magnolia/Tomball area from living there....except for the famous chicken fried steak place in Tomball...forget the name right now, we missed a turn.  I'm about half night blind and after we drove around for quite awhile looking for something I recognized, finally saw the street sign for Gesner so I knew exactly where I was, right?  Wrong.  Didn't realize they'd opened up Gesner half way to Conroe. LOL  We finally got to my daughter's house after a couple of hours, she and my son were about to send out a search party.  We didn't have a cell then.

Have a good day and I do enjoy your posts.

He's threatening nuclear missles now if he doesn't get the apology

Instead of all the governments playing patty cake with these radical leaders, we should just take them out once and for all.

While O is trying to reduce our defense abilities, these leaders are building up theirs. When is the world (including our country) going to realize you can't deal with leaders like this in a rational manner? "Speak softly but carry a big stick" is the motto we should be following.

The Security Council must apologize for infringing on the North's sovereignty and "withdraw all its unreasonable and discriminative resolutions and decisions" against the North, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.

Otherwise, the regime "will be compelled to take additional self-defensive measures," including "nuclear tests and test-firings of intercontinental ballistic missiles," the ministry said.

I know it's hard for you, but try to pay attention.  Sheesh!

It would be so nice if you weren't here. SM

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Posted By: Brunson on 2005-09-03,
In Reply to: They will never stop. Look at the post below where Brunson hopes that somebody is *hounded* off - Libby

In fact, I DEMAND an apology for falsely accusing any of us, after the moderator already told you, that we did not contact her.  An article about Presidente Bush being clinically insane would definitely appear to violate the rules of the board, as posted REPEATEDLY.  How dare you, sir!  To quote your hero, Olberman.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Sharpton_Post_editor_insulting_public_with_0219.html

Ironically (LOL), when I read some posts on this board denying this is blatant racism by the Post, the mental image I get is this (hoping it prints):

I don't think there's anything wrong with laughing at something that is not only very funny but also happens to be true.  Unfortunately, this Administration hasn't given us very much to smile about.

When I read this, nothing led me to believe that Google has a liberal's brain.  By the way how much DID that "poor schlump" part with, since you seem to have all the answers? 

From your posting:

"So if you and Chomsky are comfortable with putting every man, woman and child in this country at risk to satisfy whatever beef you have against freedom and democracy, fine.  Your freedom of speech had a most terrible and high price tag.  Something tells me that many of these fine men and women, if they could speak now, would not thank you for your thoughts."

I do not recall stating anything related to your above quote.  As I said, you may have me confused with another poster. 

In the first place, I'd like to say thanks for posting here, and you're welcome here any time.

As far as supplying topics to discuss, YOU seem to be the one who is actually supplying the topics.  Today the Conservative board is a pleasant place to be, and even I felt safe responding to a post in your thread.  The topic was excellent, and nowhere have I seen you attack a poster for his or her opinion. 

You haven't come across as confrontational and hateful.  Unfortunately, to a lot of people, these three have done so.

People can debate without personally attacking a poster that doesn't agree with them.  You seem to have done that.  I hope the Conservative board is able to get more posters like you.  You've made it a comfortable place to be.

Chill!  LOL.  Gee, you sure are defensive.  I wonder where that came from!

You are NOT on the conservative board any more, and you don't have to walk on eggshells here (although I seem to have acquired a "fan" who has been following me around on this board, taking swipes at everything I say and just generally being unpleasant and contributing nothing of value to any conversation).  If you read the posts here, it's obvious to see whose agenda it is to discuss and debat and whose agenda is restricted to creating discomfort and attacking.

I thought your post was great, and there wasn't one word or phrase in your post above that would imply any lack of respect for a soldier. 

Some people just can't understand that others support the troops by wanting to keep them alive, honor their lives by only placing those lives in jeopardy when absolutely critical and necessary to protect America.  It's obvious you're not "against" our troops, but instead you're trying to fight FOR THEM while they are fighting for HIM and what I believe in the core of my soul to be his personal grudge war.  I believe more and more people are coming to this realization every day and share your thoughts (and mine), as well.

I come here because I like to see what a few certain posters write.  I've been reading these posters' thoughts for a few weeks now, and I find them to be genuine, original and heartfelt.  (If you have any doubt as to who these people are, just follow the long trail of the hateful responses to their posts.)  It's a source of relaxation to me after I finish working.  I've actually made a list of whose posts aren't worth reading any more because they totally lack value and are designed to do nothing but attack and harass.  I'm no longer willing to feed their addiction to hate, and I simply won't respond to them any more.  Again, if you read the board, I'm sure you will see who I'm referring to and why.  Wouldn't surprise me at all if you are their next target.  They can be very upsetting and cause normal, intelligent people to become very defensive.  They bait posters, and it seems to me if they're ignored, their posts will just stand alone, making their motives very, very clear.  (Just my personal opinion, and I only mention it because I don't want anyone to get to you or chase you away from here because they simply aren't worth it.)

I'm really glad to see you here.  Now I have one more reason to continue visiting this board.  I hope you have a great day! 

P.S.  I noted in your first post you mentioned you're a "military brat."  I'd just like to personally thank you and your family for the sacrifices you made for your country and for me as one of its citizens!

I'm posting the entire post, since I'm not sure if I copied the link correctly.  It was posted by vs, followed by additional attacks on gt and Brunson complaining of the *bog of eternal stench* that she claims *tends to drift on over here* on the Conservative Board, after nobody from the Liberal Board has bothered them.  Not once.

This is the post on the Conservative Board from vs, but it's not the only objectionable one.

Sorry to see you go

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Posted By: vs on 2005-11-28,
In Reply to: I agree with you, MT. SM - Brunson

I understand why though. It's a darn shame that one or two people make this an intolerable place for everyone. Well, if the post count goes down on the boards then maybe they will revisit their policies. At least on these boards the two-initialed Nazi is allowed get away with her genocide of anything conservative, but that's not helping the post count on the board at all.

BTW, I went to the Extremely Politics board, and only a person with a self-esteem death wish would dare post there. I can see why the two-initialed Nazi likes it there. She's free to practice her hate. It's not a place I would want to touch with a 10-foot pole.

http://www.forumatrix.com/ads/frame.cgi?action=main&target=www.forumatrix.com/Channels

Yes, forgiveness does mean that we have to realize our sins and confess them.   But, unless you are either George Bush himself, his pastor, or his God, how do you know he hasn't?  That is conjecture on your part.  None of us knows what has transpired between this man and his God.  I realize what I am saying will not be popular here, but I don't see a whole lot of Christianity in what I am seeing. Quoting from written sources is not addressing the fact that you are sitting in judgement of someone who is not you.  We aren't supposed to do that.  I hope you all have a blessed Sunday. I am off to church and will certainly pray that God releases from your hearts the hatred you carry.  

Here is some more from the conference.  So shines a light in a sometimes dim world.    

The sanctity and infinite worth of every human being is a quintessential Jewish value, grounded in the biblical notion that man is made in the image and likeness of God. Against this background, it is ironic and vexatious for many pro–life activists that American Jews tend to line up on the pro–choice side in the struggle over abortion. Affirming the Sanctity of Human Life, a conference held November 12 in Washington, D.C., brought together a hundred or so Jews who are troubled by the Jewish community’s stance toward the unborn, particularly concerning the gruesome late–term procedure known as partial–birth abortion.  The morning session consisted of panel presentations by three Orthodox Jews and a maverick Reform rabbi. Marshall Breger, a law professor and political writer, lamented the fact that Jews support abortion rights more than any religious or ethnic group: they are consistently 15 to 20 percent above the norm, he said, even when controlling for various factors such as religious belief or unbelief, political ideology, social class, etc. He attributed this support, in part, to fears that governmental restrictions on abortion would abridge personal autonomy and impose Christian religious standards on Jewish life. He said that gray areas in Jewish law—its combination of silence and ambiguity regarding the fetus’ status, its handful of exceptional situations allowing abortion—have confused Jews about the permissibility of abortion in general.

Barry Freundel, an Orthodox rabbi from Georgetown, seconded Breger’s sociological account of Jewish fears about abortion as being symbolic of the wider Jewish culture clash with conservative Christian movements. It’s hard to have a conversation about abortion, he said, that doesn’t become a conversation about something else. Even among his own Orthodox congregants, Freundel said, his pro–life preaching is treated as the rabbi getting up on his soapbox again. Nevertheless, he said, he feels obliged to inform them that the absolute license to abort, as practiced in the United States today, is simply impossible to reconcile with traditional Jewish teaching. Judaism, he said, permits abortion in a few limited circumstances, such as to save the life of the mother. He indicated that there is some difference of rabbinic opinion about these circumstances, but stressed that there is no warrant for the overwhelming number of abortions now performed in the U.S. He said that classic Jewish sources really don’t say much about the general moral or metaphysical status of the fetus; but, he added, we have an intuitive response that the fetus is not like an appendix or an in–grown toe nail that can simply be removed at will.