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Don't think you read the same article, THAT IS THE TITLE...see the link I posted...

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I posted the entire article, but I MUST be LYING! LOL! Link inside. sm
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/30/230457.shtml
I posted the link to everyone could read it...
I also saw the part where she was fired for using the credit cards for her own personal use. I thought others might like to see the article and read it for themselves since it is a topic for discussion today. I would say with her being fired, that demeans her credibility. I in no way intended to spread gossip, just posting the link since the story is out there.
I think perhaps you read a different article than the one posted by Lurker.
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I read on the link I posted that he lived in the building -
it said he lived there and had every right to be there. I am not sure where it is.
The dark side of faith (title of article)




(Considering how much importance the *right* religion is going to play in our future Supreme Court, I thought it was ironic that I found this at the Professional Ethics site. http://ethics.tamucc.edu/article.pl?sid=05/10/01/1656216)


http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-brooks1oct01,0,3034570.story?track=hpmostemailedlink


The dark side of faith

By ROSA BROOKS

October 1, 2005

IT'S OFFICIAL: Too much religion may be a dangerous thing.

This is the implication of a study reported in the current issue of the Journal of Religion and Society, a publication of Creighton University's Center for the Study of Religion. The study, by evolutionary scientist Gregory S. Paul, looks at the correlation between levels of popular religiosity and various quantifiable societal health indicators in 18 prosperous democracies, including the United States.

Paul ranked societies based on the percentage of their population expressing absolute belief in God, the frequency of prayer reported by their citizens and their frequency of attendance at religious services. He then correlated this with data on rates of homicide, sexually transmitted disease, teen pregnancy, abortion and child mortality.

He found that the most religious democracies exhibited substantially higher degrees of social dysfunction than societies with larger percentages of atheists and agnostics. Of the nations studied, the U.S. — which has by far the largest percentage of people who take the Bible literally and express absolute belief in God (and the lowest percentage of atheists and agnostics) — also has by far the highest levels of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

This conclusion will come as no surprise to those who have long gnashed their teeth in frustration while listening to right-wing evangelical claims that secular liberals are weak on values. Paul's study confirms globally what is already evident in the U.S.: When it comes to values, if you look at facts rather than mere rhetoric, the substantially more secular blue states routinely leave the Bible Belt red states in the dust.

Murder rates? Six of the seven states with the highest 2003 homicide rates were red in the 2004 elections (Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina), while the deep blue Northeastern states had murder rates well below the national average. Infant mortality rates? Highest in the South and Southwest; lowest in New England. Divorce rates? Marriages break up far more in red states than in blue. Teen pregnancy rates? The same.

Of course, the red/blue divide is only an imperfect proxy for levels of religiosity. And while Paul's study found that the correlation between high degrees of religiosity and high degrees of social dysfunction appears robust, it could be that high levels of social dysfunction fuel religiosity, rather than the other way around.

Although correlation is not causation, Paul's study offers much food for thought. At a minimum, his findings suggest that contrary to popular belief, lack of religiosity does societies no particular harm. This should offer ammunition to those who maintain that religious belief is a purely private matter and that government should remain neutral, not only among religions but also between religion and lack of religion. It should also give a boost to critics of faith-based social services and abstinence-only disease and pregnancy prevention programs.

We shouldn't shy away from the possibility that too much religiosity may be socially dangerous. Secular, rationalist approaches to problem-solving emphasize uncertainty, evidence and perpetual reevaluation. Religious faith is inherently nonrational.

This in itself does not make religion worthless or dangerous. All humans hold nonrational beliefs, and some of these may have both individual and societal value. But historically, societies run into trouble when powerful religions become imperial and absolutist.

The claim that religion can have a dark side should not be news. Does anyone doubt that Islamic extremism is linked to the recent rise in international terrorism? And since the history of Christianity is every bit as blood-drenched as the history of Islam, why should we doubt that extremist forms of modern American Christianity have their own pernicious and measurable effects on national health and well-being?

Arguably, Paul's study invites us to conclude that the most serious threat humanity faces today is religious extremism: nonrational, absolutist belief systems that refuse to tolerate difference and dissent.

My prediction is that right-wing evangelicals will do their best to discredit Paul's substantive findings. But when they fail, they'll just shrug: So what if highly religious societies have more murders and disease than less religious societies? Remember the trials of Job? God likes to test the faithful.

To the truly nonrational, even evidence that on its face undermines your beliefs can be twisted to support them. Absolutism means never having to say you're sorry.

And that, of course, is what makes it so very dangerous.

Did you notice the question mark at the end of the article's title?
Do you understand the meaning of "potential?" Imagine that. Judges have a "natural predisposition" toward complying with the DEMOCRATIC WILL OF THE PEOPLE. What a crazy and novel idea.

The truth has been out there for quite a while now. There is no THERE there. This is sheer lunacy, but hey, knock yourselves out. Nobody's listening to this garbage and the entire nation has much more pressing issues to worry about, but to remind you of them here would be a complete waste of time, in view of this myopic obsessive fixation of a marginalized tiny fringe minority of the GOP (which has been recently denounced by other, more intelligent republicans).
Provide a link to the document with that title. None of the official copies I've seen use the wor
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Each brown place in the link takes you to a different article that supports this article...nm
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post the link only, not the whole article and the link. See rules for posting.
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DW, if you will look at the article I posted....
you will see some of your concerns addressed. I think the link piglet posted in her original post, where she went searching for more on Camp Cropper....that link has to do with something else, not Camp Cropper. Two different persons in charge. At any rate, Camp Cropper sends kids outside the detention area to school taught by Iraqis, not Americans, just a more moderate view of Islam also not the militant jihadist kind. It says that Sunni and Shiite teens are starting to interact and the hatred seems to be disappearing. And, as piglet rightfully pointed out regarding Venezuela and how the young people were effecting the change...so can it be in Iraq, because that is where it starts, correct? And it sounds like this commander over this detention center, with the help of Iraqi teachers, is doing just that. Not trying to convert them from Islam, just give them a different view of Islam and a choice other than violence. As you say, they are the future of the Middle East, and I think the school that Camp Cropper uses is the way to help that happen. As the Iraqi principal said...mostly they are just kids wanting to be kids. And if we can turn a few of them from jihad and toward reconciliation within their own country, then I think it is well worth the effort.

Have a good day!
That article posted above was NOT about
It was about SCHIP.

Snapshots: State Coverage Expansions, Despite Economic Downturn
Despite the economic downturn, a few states are continuing to pursue coverage expansions. States such as Indiana are expanding Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) by extending program eligibility up the income ladder. Other states are taking more unusual approaches, such as mandating children's coverage (New Jersey) or extending dependent coverage for children to young adults (Illinois and many other states).
When I posted the link,
ontheissues.org.

You don't have to look beyond the posted link to
figure out why that might be...."the governments are more generous with benefits." Since the $28/hr wages of UAW workers jump to $73/hr when benefits are factored in, one might assume that the European citizens who those factories employ are the recipients of those government-provided benefits, which of course relieves that burden for those overseas GM divisions. Also, I fail to see how we can learn any lessons from them in terms of the AMERICAN workers we would like to see stay employed stateside.

This article you posted clearly contradicts your assertions..
Read what it says about Christianity, also.  I believe the article is stating that Hitler's belief about Jews, capitalism and communism was faulty -- used as an excuse to exterminate them.  It does not state that Hitler's three excuses for hating Jews is based on factual evidence, quite the contrary.
See the article I posted above by Peggy Noonan.

She talks about Bush's out of control spending, and she's no liberal!


Bush cut OIL COMPANY PROFITS?  Yeah... right!  Time of crisis or not, they don't care.  I'm no O'Reilly fan, but O'Reilly publicly challenged the oil companies on his show to just voluntarily take a small reduction in PROFITS during this time.  Ain't gonna happen.


For all the conservative posts on our board, I haven't seen ONE who can explain who is going to PAY for all Bush's spending.  I pity the poor person who is the next President and inherits Bush's huge MESS.  If (hopefully) it's a Democrat, you can bet the necons will be trashing him/her from the git-go, calling him/her atheist, drunk, and whatever other libel they invent between now and then.


I'm working as hard as I can because my daughter and her husband won't be able to afford to heat their home this coming winter.  There is no way I'm going to let my grandchildren, daughter and son-in-law freeze, and I'm going to try to help out as much as I can.


I've read where some of the most radical whacko evangelicals with a direct pipeline (no pun) to God blamed Katrina on lack of morals of people in New Orleans.  In the light of Rita, seems to me that God's actually targeting the people controlling the oil rigs.  Maybe God's warning that if we don't quit coveting and trying to steal oil from the Middle East's Gulf, God's going to send in a really BIG storm to destroy the oil rigs in America's Gulf.  Maybe it's God's way of telling Bush that Bush isn't listening to what God has been telling him, that we need to protect and take care of our own, and stop lying and murdering and killing for his own personal gain and that of his cronies.


Sorry to go off on a tangent here, but I become very angry at the thought of my family freezing this winter (even though they work hard and are/were considered middle class).  Hopefully, I will be able to help so that doesn't happen, but what about all the other families with children out there?  What happened to conservative family values?  They obviously don't exist if a school choose to CLOSE to conserve fuel, and oil companies keep right on churning and collecting huge profits.


Just like you, I truly hope a revolution is churning.  Someone has to start caring about regular, hard-working, underinsured or uninsured people in this country.  These are the people who are the backbone of this country, the people who do the REAL work, while the fat cats (Bush's base) sit back and get fatter and fatter with Bush's blessings!


Unbelievable! I posted an article disputing everything you said.

Now who am I going to believe?


A newspaper (that you admittedly don't LIKE) or YOU, who obviously knows more than I would ever want to know about skinheads?  You (and your party of lies and deceit) don't have an ounce of credibility, and I'd believe the NYT any day over the ignorant, bigoted, hateful likes of YOU!


In case you haven't noticed, there is a huge controversy over rape and murder of civilian Iraqis.  It certainly makes sense that a neo-nazi skinhead group would carry out these kind of brutal acts with no conscience and without thinking twice. 


Your beloved skinheads are making the rest of our very FINE military look bad, yet you defend these filthy subhumanoids. 


I'm not surprised that you're angry because apparently what was supposed to be a big secret is now being publicized.  I'm also not surprised that you're defending them.  I fully expected some from the other board to reveal their true selves when I posted the article.


You're repulsive.  Go crawl back under the rock you slithered out of.  You're leaving a disgusting slime trail. YUCK! 


This will be my last post to you.  I don't deal with hateful bigots.


Exactly, in fact, the Ann Coulter article I posted sm
has past turnovers in congress and house under other administrations. This is nothing compared to the past.
I was talking about the article you posted with no source. sm
And my point was if you believe everything that is written, well...never mind.  Rush likes to gets libs going and it looks like it worked for you.  I like him.  MY opinion is that he not what you say he is, so we will have to just agree to disagree. 
The above article posted a little messy. trying one more time

Bush vetoes children's health bill a second time


Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:11pm






 

 







Photo

 

By Caren Bohan


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush on Wednesday vetoed a bill expanding a popular children's health-care program for a second time, angering Democrats who are locked in a fight with the administration over the budget and spending.


Pushed by the Democratic-led Congress but also supported by many Republicans, the bill was aimed at providing health insurance to about 10 million children in low- and moderate-income families. Taxes on cigarettes and other tobacco products would have been increased to pay for the aid.


Bush vetoed an earlier version of the bill in October but Congress quickly passed another one that included some changes but not enough to satisfy the White House concerns.


"Because the Congress has chosen to send me an essentially identical bill that has the same problems as the flawed bill I previously vetoed, I must veto this legislation too," Bush wrote in a message to the House of Representatives.


The fight between Congress and the White House over the health bill is one in a series of clashes over spending that have arisen this year.


Bush has said the funding level sought by the Democrats for the health program would have expanded it beyond its original intent of covering poor children and marked a step toward government-run health care.


Democrats say the additional money is needed to help families who cannot afford to buy private health insurance but who earn too much to qualify for the Medicaid health care program for the poor.


"This is indeed a sad action for him to take, because so many children in our country need access to quality health care," House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, told reporters.


The bill would have provided $60 billion in funding for the children's health program over five years, compared with the current $25 billion five-year funding level.


The tobacco tax increase would raise the levy on cigarettes by 61 cents to $1 per pack.


House Democratic leaders said they will not try to override the veto right away and would vote on a bill to ensure the more than six million kids now in the program can stay enrolled.


(Editing by Todd Eastham)


(Additional reporting by Donna Smith and Richard Cowan)




I didn't say I believed it, just posted an article
I wouldn't be too quick to put words in someones mouth just for the sake of mocking them. I never said I believed it. I know it happened in Nazi Germany (holocaust). I only posted the article because when I started searching on welfare, government takeovers, and other topics, that topic kept popping up.

Do I believe it could happen. Not really. Just thought it was interesting. So,...all I said I believed was the plan to put the country on welfare. If you want to mock me for something at least mock me for what I said.
link to picture I posted

Sorry it didnt come through, guys..it was information about Laura's manslaughter and had a few good pictures..I wanted to share but they didnt come through..anyway, here is the link..check it out..


http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=434


Thanks. Correct link posted above.
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link posted here - don't ya dare look
http://meaningfuldistractions.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/news_national_enquirer_promises_more_on_alleged_sarah_palin_affair_78787/
Click on the link that is posted
It even gives the name of the site. You will find many more news sites about this just by searching for something along the lines of Palin+increased threats.
I posted the link for this earler. s/m
It's very obvious that there are many on this board that have no desire to hear someone brilliant with first-hand knowledge explain something they don't understand.  I personally felt the interview gave a very thorough common-sense explanation of what this administration is trying to accomplish.  They don't want to hear intelligence, they just want failure, no matter what.  So sad and pathetic, and very un-American.
I did, and found what I remembered, that's why I posted the link. nm

The article posted is not the complete conversation. Ever hear of Freakanomics? sm
That has a lot to do with the conversation. As usual, the MSM left out significant parts of what was said.  No surprise there.
Link to article
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002765299
I didn't post a link, I posted a smard alek

reply that I think got deleted.......not unjustly.  It was dripping in sarcasm.  LOL  I believe the article it is on Yahoo news though, my husband said something about it.  I didn't post a link to it, probably someone else.


We can all agree to disagree.  What I would like for everyone to do is research the facts for themselves.  I've always felt like you can belive nothing you hear and only half of what you see.


I'm not against immigration and I don't think Lou Dobbs is either. I'm all for LEGAL immigration.  I even researched Mexico's immigration requirements and that ought to be an eye-opener for anyone who wants to compare immigration policies.  I am dead set against ILLEGAL immigration.  What I don't understand is what about ILLEGAL do people not underestand.  AND both Obama and McCain are in favor of giving people who have broken the law a "path to citizenship" translated means amnesty.  That didn't work too well  under Reagan and it won't work now which is one thing I have against both candidates because the path to citizenship is one thing they agree on but you don't hear either one of them talking about it.  That's an issue to  me.  No need to worry about terrorists when our borders are wide open and terrorists could stroll right on across our borders any time they so desired and neither NEITHER of these candidates have anything to say about that.  Why?  I'll tell ya, they both don't want to offend the Latino vote and I don't think they care whether the voters are legal or not.


It was link to a news article
It was not just a vulgar hand gesture, which I might add was shown on NBC, CBS, ABC a few weeks ago ala Bush when he was leaving a meeting with reporters.  It was an article about Bush's vulgar personality.
This link went to a 2003 article....
5 years ago....not sure what you want to talk about?
Did you even read what you posted!
The last paragraph says it all.  Obviously some thought went into this and do you really think if he was NOT an atheist, he would not have sued by now.  There were 49,000 Google hits. I am not going to do your work for you.   At any rate, I don't care if you believe it or not. It makes no difference to me. 
Interesting article see link inside

Looks like the feminists are supporting Palin.  Very interesting article and it explains why they are supporting her. 


http://www.bizzyblog.com/2008/09/06/palin-punditry-you-wont-see-in-the-papers-or-on-the-tv-news/


 


 


Good article - link inside.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/sep/10/women.uselections2008


 


 


Here is the link to an article about Palin and her friends.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?em
Re-red the original post with the CBS link/article on his
At least it wasn't Fox covering it, so you should believe eyewitnesses, shouldn't you?
I don't think you will get it...Re-read the numbers I posted...nm

I posted below when I read those two items and
ALSO read comments from other readers. Other people should read them. It's a real eye opener!
See link to article from Women's News inside.
http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/2046/context/archive
GOPs are gaining - excellent article - see link

Excellent article by D. Morris (who used to be an adviser to Clinton).  He hits it right on the head with his assessments.  1.) Obama's poll numbers are not changing but McCain is gaining.  2.)  End of July voters trusted the dems to better handle the economy by 11%, now they only trust them by 4%.  3.) Before the convention voters trusted dems to achieve energy independence by 8 points, now it's only a 2 point lead.  4.) When asked who made the smarter VP choice voters said McCain did 50 - 40%.


Key to her popularity is that she understands the average persons problems.  Of the question which of the 4 candidates understands the problems of day to day life in America Palin finished first with 33%, Obama second with 32%, McCain with 17, and Biden with 10.


Worst news for Obama is when voters asked who they would consult for advise with the "toughest decision of your life" voters chose McCain over Obama 50-34.


I've been saying all along the Republicans are sweeping the nation.  People are seeing through Barack's lies and false hopes.  Link to the article is below so you can read for yourselves.


http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/09/15/gops-gaining/


 


I hear this too. Here is a link, but I put the article inside. www.OneNewsNow.com
Obama has aunt living in US illegally
Eileen Sullivan and Elliot Spagat - Associated Press Writers - 11/1/2008 6:55:00 AM
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama's aunt, a Kenyan woman who has been living in public housing in Boston, is in the United States illegally after an immigration judge rejected her request for asylum four years ago, The Associated Press has learned.





Zeituni Onyango, 56, referred to as "Aunti Zeituni" in Obama's memoir, was instructed to leave the United States by a U.S. immigration judge who denied her asylum request, a person familiar with the matter told the AP late Friday. This person spoke on condition of anonymity because no one was authorized to discuss Onyango's case.

Information about the deportation case was disclosed and confirmed by two separate sources, one of them a federal law enforcement official. The information they made available is known to officials in the federal government, but the AP could not establish whether anyone at a political level in the Bush administration or in the McCain campaign had been involved in its release.

Onyango's refusal to leave the country would represent an administrative, non-criminal violation of U.S. immigration law, meaning such cases are handled outside the criminal court system. Estimates vary, but many experts believe there are more than 10 million such immigrants in the United States.

The AP could not reach Onyango immediately for comment. No one answered the telephone number listed in her name late Friday. It was unclear why her request for asylum was rejected in 2004. The Obama campaign declined to comment late Friday night.

Onyango is not a relative whom Obama has discussed in campaign appearances and, unlike Obama's father and grandmother, is not someone who has been part of the public discussion about his personal life.

A spokeswoman for U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, Kelly Nantel, said the government does not comment on an individual's citizenship status or immigration case.

Onyango's case - coming to light just days before the presidential election - led to an unusual nationwide directive within Immigrations and Customs Enforcement requiring any deportations prior to Tuesday's election to be approved at least at the level of ICE regional directors, the U.S. law enforcement official told the AP.

The unusual directive suggests that the Bush administration is sensitive to the political implications of Onyango's case coming to light so close to the election.

Kenya is in eastern Africa between Somalia and Tanzania. The country has been fractured in violence in recent years, including a period of two months of bloodshed after December 2007 that killed 1,500 people.

The disclosure about Onyango came just one day after Obama's presidential campaign confirmed to the Times of London that Onyango, who has lived in public housing in South Boston for five years, was Obama's half aunt on his father's side.

It was not immediately clear how Onyango might have qualified for public housing with a standing deportation order.


Link to photo and accompanying portion of article

The photo didn't come through, but the link is below.  Also, as you can see from the way the article begins, there was no "liberal" involved in the word "spooked."  That was pure Republican (if there is such a thing.)


http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/pitw/2009/06/republican_staffer_e-mails_oba.php


From the beginning of the article: 



The picture you're looking at on the right was allegedly sent from Sherri Goforth, research analyst executive assistant for Sen. Diane Black, on May 28 via e-mail, under the headline "Historical Keepsake Photo." "We've never seen President Obama in person, but we're pretty sure those pair of spooked white eyes against a black background don't quite do him justice. In fact, one could argue that forwarding an e-mail like this to 20 of your friends makes you look like an out-and-out bigot."


"... forwarding an e-mail like this to 20 of your friends makes you look like an out-and-out bigot."  Yeah.  Wink, wink.


Re-read your post...what I meant was you posted...
you said he had breakfast with OBAMA bin Laden, not OSAMA bin Laden. Clearly you did not mean to..just pointing out that you did indeed type Obama, not Osama. Just like Teddy Kennedy said in speeches twice...Obama bin Laden instead of OSAMA bin Laden.

And what kind of proof do you have that Bush Sr. had brunch with bin Laden? Maybe a member of the bin Laden family, but certainly not Osama. Good lord. LOL.

And just as an aside...what proof is there that Bush Sr. was having brunch with ANY of the bid ladens??
That's a good, fair article. Very well stated. Thanks for posting the link!....nm

Psychiatry Ponders Whether Extreme Bias Can Be an Illness...see article/link

Psychiatry Ponders Whether Extreme Bias Can Be an Illness




By Shankar Vedantam
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 10, 2005; Page A01



The 48-year-old man turned down a job because he feared that a co-worker would be gay. He was upset that gay culture was becoming mainstream and blamed most of his personal, professional and emotional problems on the gay and lesbian movement.


These fixations preoccupied him every day. Articles in magazines about gays made him agitated. He confessed that his fears had left him socially isolated and unemployed for years: A recovering alcoholic, the man even avoided 12-step meetings out of fear he might encounter a gay person.







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Darrel
Darrel A. Regier of the American Psychiatric Association favors research but says it is not clear that establishing a diagnosis would be useful. (By Marvin Joseph -- The Washington Post)









He had a fixed delusion about the world, said Sondra E. Solomon, a psychologist at the University of Vermont who treated the man for two years. He felt under attack, he felt threatened.


Mental health practitioners say they regularly confront extreme forms of racism, homophobia and other prejudice in the course of therapy, and that some patients are disabled by these beliefs. As doctors increasingly weigh the effects of race and culture on mental illness, some are asking whether pathological bias ought to be an official psychiatric diagnosis.


I read the article. sm

So are we to assume that because these two recruiters did the wrong thing, and they did, that all recruiters are bad. Maybe you, but most certainly not me.  Incidentally, I didn't see this as preying.  Preying would be them pursuing him.  He went to them several times with false stories and expressed an interest (feigned).   They were not preying on him.  I don't agree with what they did but the Army did the right thing and made no excuses for them.  I have worked with MTs who cheated on their line counts. That doesn't mean all MTs are bad.  Generalizations hurt everyone.  I just don't see it as preying. 


I read the Ann article and...
it did have some statistics in there going back to the beginning of the 1900's about turnovers in 6th year presidencies with overtones attempting to diminish the victory on Tuesday. The rest of what she wrote, as usual, was rubbish.

No matter how small people see the victory to be, it was a victory and I think a mandate for change in Iraq, followed by the economy. The common man is not doing so hot despite the nearly one dollar drop in gas prices a few months before the election.
Have not read the article yet (not sure if I will or not)
Huffington post is a bit far left for me.

I also refuse to listen to anything the Christian right or Christian left or Christian anything have got to say.

The only thing I say is I don't want to know her religion. Keep it to herself.

Seems like everyone has some motive.
Article I just read. sm
Attacks, praise stretch truth



By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer 40 minutes ago



John McCain supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.


Some examples:


MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply...She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.


THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both of these claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where McCain called Alaska the largest state in America, he could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.


MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.


THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.


FORMER Massachusetts GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."


THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January of 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.


FORMER New York MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI (from prepared text): "Then he ran for the state legislature — where nearly 130 times he was unable to make a decision, yes or no. He simply voted "present." As mayor of New York City, I never got a chance to vote "present." And you know, when you're president of the United States, you can't just vote "present." You must make decisions."


THE FACTS: It's true that Obama voted "present" dozens of times, among the thousands of votes he cast in an eight-year span in Springfield. Illinois lawmakers commonly vote that way on a variety of issues for technical, legal or strategic reasons. Obama, for instance, voted "present" on some abortion measures to encourage wavering legislators to do the same instead of voting "yes." Their "present" votes had the same effect as "no" votes and helped defeat the bills. Voting this way also can be a way to duck a difficult issue, although that's difficult to prove.


MEG WHITMAN, FORMER ebay CEO AND MCCAIN ADVISER: "Our Democratic opponents view raising taxes as the measure of their compassion and fairness."


CARLY FIORINA, FORMER HEWLETT-PACKARD CEO AND CHAIRWOMAN OF RNC VICTORY ང: "If we make the right choice, in 2013, American families will keep more of their hard-earned money"


THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.


Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.


He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes over $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.


Read the WHOLE article......nm
Constitutionally..........well, read the article.
You need to read the article again for yourself if...
you are trying to imply McCain left his wife because she wasn't pretty anymore. That wasn't the case and the article even states so. The article states..
"My marriage ended because John McCain didn’t want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does".
That is taken straight from the article you posted. It does happen to a lot of marriages.

When he returned he was overjoyed to see her and told her he didn't look so hot himself. He bought her a bungalow near the sea in Florida and another POW helped him build a railing so she could pull herself over the dunes to the water. After that their marriage started to deteriorate.

And as Zville MT stated "We're looking for a candidate who has experience in government, not experience in marriage".

I am voting for someone who has experience - John McCain. Not someone with less experience than Sarah Palin has (who is Barack Obama).