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You lefties are so naive. Obama has plans for worse for our nation.

Posted By: just give it time....got nuts? on 2009-01-16
In Reply to: Thought crimes, secret formulas, secret votes, motherload databases, "no lists?" - So long shrub. jj




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Obama is criminally naive.

"Upholding our values will protect us from terrorism." 


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.bd0713f4765981d1edbe5b522ce08354.3e1&show_article=1


Hello?  Wake up, you dipwad.  It is precisely our values that terrorists hate.


Umm...and even if they didn't, please explain just who was being waterboarded prior to 9/11, Mr. Obama?  Or, putting it more precisely (since we know now from the 9/11 Commission that the attack on that day was in the making long before Bush even took office), just which of the numerous American values that Clinton violated was it that led to that event?  Was it the mess on the dress perhaps?  Or do ya think it might have been failing to get after bin Laden when he had the chance?  Huh?


Your reasoning abilities are so pathetic that they amount to a crime against your office, in fact.  You obviously do not know the first thing about either terrorists or terrorism - or else you think we don't.


Impeach Obama now.  He is utterly unfit to serve.


Obama is criminally naive. "Upholding our values

Umm...and just who was being waterboarded prior to 9/11, Mr. Obama?  Or, putting it more precisely, we know now from the 9/11 Commission that the attack on that day was in the making long before Bush even took office.  So which of the numerous values that Clinton violated was it that led to that event?


Pathetic reasoning - a crime against your office, in fact.  You obviously do not know the first thing about either terrorists or terrorism - or else you think we don't.


Impeach Obama now.  Unfit to serve.


Obama is criminally naive. "Upholding our values

Umm...and just who was being waterboarded prior to 9/11, Mr. Obama?  Or, putting it more precisely, we know now from the 9/11 Commission that the attack on that day was in the making long before Bush even took office.  So which of the numerous values that Clinton violated was it that led to that event?


Pathetic reasoning - a crime against your office, in fact.  You obviously do not know the first thing about either terrorists or terrorism - or else you think we don't.


Impeach Obama now.  He is utterly unfit to serve.


What are Obama's plans now?

I never believed that BO's plans would work to benefit our country, but now he can't even start his plans if he is elected.  This economy is too out of wack and the government has NO money.  So how does Barry expect to keep his promises he has made during his campaign?  We can't afford more government programs.  It just is not possible.  So much for that hope he keeps talking about.


I admit that the promise of change is an attractive idea, but I have yet to hear any "plan" of Barry's that will actually bring change worth voting for.  Voting for him initially would have raised government spending and taxes.  Now that the country is in deep financial crisis....what does he propose now?  I haven't heard much of significance out of him to suggest he really will bring about change....or I should say change for the better.


CHANGE WE CAN FEAR.....Barrack Hussein Obama


help with 2 Obama plans
I have found 2 things I need help understanding that were proposed by Senator Obama and am wondering if someone can shed light on what these proposals are. One is "universal national public service" (also spoken about by Michelle Obama in a recent speech) and the other is "civilian national security force." From what I have read, they sound scary, but I am not sure I understand either. Anybody know anything about these?
I disagree. I think Obama's plans

will be the one to further hurt our country.  However, if I am wrong (and if O wins I hope I am wrong), I will give Obama credit if and when it is due.  Until then, I stand by what I believe.  Raising taxes during a financial crisis like this will ruin us.  Taxing businesses more will only make our products and services cost more which WE will pay for.  And as much money as Obama is wanting the government to spend on his programs, he will have to tax more than the rich to cover his expenses.


Cut taxes and cut government spending!!!!  Not the other way around.


I understood Obama's plans
thus my message below. I was simply responding the the wish for socialized medicine that equals that of the wonderful place we call Iraq!
No. Because Obama's disastrous plans have not
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Obama and the State of our Nation

Obama was VOTED in, not 'given' the job as President...You know, I cannot believe some of the things tht come from the brains and out of the miouths oif some indivuduals.  This is indeed a historic moment; that I am in agreement with, and I also agree that 170M for the Inaguration was excessive but I will tell you what I find even more excessive - the lying, stealing criminal former administration who ripped of the American people (regardless of political affilation) and basically thummed their noses at us because they felt and still feel they are above the law.  The former president  and his administration didn't give a durn about the economy and reputation of this country  do you truly believe that they cared whether you, your  husbands, sons and other relatives lost their jobs and homes?  Do you really think they were concerned about whether YOU have enough to retire on after dutifully putting away funds in your 401k?  I don't think so.  They gutted us and left us twisting in the wind; and while we worry about how we are going to pay the light bill and have enough to buy grioceries let alone our mortgage - they dine well and live like kings, their families and frineds in their inner circles do not have to concern themselves with such mundane issues...why would they?  Their gods are Franklin, Harrison, Grant, et al.WE PAID FOR IT and will be for years to come.


Compare your taxes under McC and Obama plans
I just did mine and I pay less taxes under Obama.

http://www.electiontaxes.com/
Yep, and Obama's plans constitute socialism
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If you are talking about the Obama Nation post...
it was written by a black pastor and it is his opinion. He was not hired by nor affiliated with the McCain campaign. There are several black preachers who do not agree with black liberation theology. There was nothing in his post about hatred. He said homosexuality was a sin..it is. He didn't say he hated gays...just that the Bible says the ACT is a sin..and it is. Just like lying, adultery, murder, etc. It does have the distinction of being the one sin that God classified as an "abomination." All the preacher was pointing out was that when Obama said there was nothing specific in the Bible regarding homosexuality...he was wrong. Again...there is no hatred in that post. He just doesn't agree with Obama's philosophy. Where you get hate from that I don't know....did you even read the post?

And by the way....sniping and cattiness must be your strong suit? You seem to excel in that area. Can you just drop the cattiness and sniping (as you asked that I do) and go figure, as you told me to do? Thank you so very much.
It's called "trickle down taxes"....all of Obama's plans....sm
in the end, will RAISE the price and cost of all those businesses who offer services and practices to all of US.....his raising THEIR taxes will RAISE what we spend out of our pockets....not to mention every other TAX which may not be INCOME TAX, will skyrocket, under Obama.


Geez....do all your reserach and do the math
Is Obama starting to embrace McCain's thoughts and plans?

I just heard a little speech on the news at a rally made by the O. All of a sudden, he seems to be mirroring McC's ideas about regulation, the bail out, etc. I noticed him saying things before (and after the debate) that McC had first campaigned for, but didn't say anything because I really thought I was hearing things.


Now I'm flipping channels to see if I can hear this again.


 


Finally an article on the truth of Obama's big tax cuts and plans...sm
It's been hard to find this story and the facts lately, and I'm glad you posted this.


It really sounds like Obama is trying to "buy" the votes of all the people in America in the lower income bracket.


Very sneaky and scary, as most people believe him.
and will get worse if Obama and big gov't take over.
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It will only get much worse with Obama in charge
He promotes that divide.....he just has a sneaky way of doing it. He lets others do their talking up there, while he says nothing against their racist remarks. The NAACP for instance was formed way back when but really has no place in our society today. Now think about this......if there were a group for ONLY whites (and I don't mean the KKK) which is no doubt where many minds will go, wouldn't there be an uproar about that. They would be called racists....how dare they promote WHITE opportunities, jobs, educations, etc. You're right, forming special interest groups does nothing to promite equality, but I can guarantee you will see more and more racists things coming down the pike; just hide and watch.

So far, they have singled out white males to not give jobs to.....now if a leader sat up there and said those same words about blacks, it would hit the fan and you know it.....

Funny how the liberals just sit up and there and keep their mouths shut, most of them all the way to being without a job, as they are white males as well.
Things could get worse with Obama..
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Looks as if Obama made it worse.
If Obama is the hero for rescuing the Captain, what will happen now if pirates get a hold of more US ships?

(CNN) -- Two pirates in Somalia vowed revenge Monday, after the U.S. military killed three pirates and freed a U.S. ship captain who had been held hostage for several days.
Crew members of the Maersk Alabama celebrate after hearing the Navy had rescued their captain from pirates.

Crew members of the Maersk Alabama celebrate after hearing the Navy had rescued their captain from pirates.

The pirates told a Somali journalist that they were angered by the U.S. action, as well as a French raid Friday that killed two pirates and one hostage and freed four hostages.

"We have decided to kill U.S. and French sailors if they happen to be among our future hostages," said Abdullahi Ahmed, a member of a pirate group based at Harardhere, a coastal town in central Somalia.

Members of the U.S. Navy shot and killed three pirates who had been holding Capt. Richard Phillips hostage in a lifeboat on Sunday evening, a military official said. The pirates seized Phillips after a failed attempt to hijack his ship, the Maersk Alabama.

For five days the pirates held Phillips in the lifeboat as U.S. Navy ships closed in and lingered nearby.

On Sunday, U.S. Navy snipers opened fire on the lifeboat after seeing one pirate point an AK-47 at the captain's back, the U.S. military said. The shootings occurred as one pirate was aboard the USS Bainbridge negotiating over Phillips' fate. Video Watch how SEALs shot three pirates »

Three pirates in the lifeboat were killed. Phillips was not hurt. He was taken to another U.S. Navy vessel, the U.S. military said, where he received a medical checkup and spoke by phone with his wife in the United States. Video Watch admiral tell how rescue went down »
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* Navy snipers kill pirates
* Captain's friends, relatives express relief
* Sailors tell of battling pirates
* TIME.com: Europe has led anti-piracy effort

Pirates in Somalia identified the slain men as Mohamed Ahmed Adawe, Nur Dalabey and Khalif Guled. Two of them -- Dalabey and Guled -- were among the "most experienced men" in a group that has hijacked seagoing vessels for money, Ahmed said.

They were killed two days after the French military freed four hostages, including a child, who had been held by pirates for nearly a week on a yacht off Somalia's coast. In that operation, a hostage and two pirates were killed, the French Defense Ministry said, while three pirates were captured. Video Watch how pirates roam a vast area of ocean »

The military actions angered Ali Nur, a pirate who is based in Gara'ad, a coastal village in the semi-autonomous region of Puntland, in northern Somalia.

"From now on, after the killings by the U.S. and France, we will add some harsher steps in our dealings with hostages, particularly American and French hostages," Nur told a journalist.

The U.S. military acknowledged Sunday that its actions to rescue Phillips could increase the risk of violence.

"This could escalate violence in this part of the world. No question about it," U.S. Navy Vice Adm. Bill Gortney told reporters.
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Nur issued a warning to the United States.

"The killing of our boys was aggression, and the U.S. will see what they get from their operation," he said.
What is worse, anyone who questions Obama's
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Are you really that naive? SM
Cindy Sheehan wants Bush to bring the troops home...NOW.  Oh, I forgot, the left doesn't care about the people left behind.  We know this how?  Can you say Vietnam?
maybe they let the naive
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I am not naive enough to think that this is

just dems.  I know that there are a lot of people in our government who have found this loophole and that loophole and aren't paying what they should either.  I personally think it wouldn't hurt for all of them to undergo a little investigation just to see who is paying up and who isn't, but that won't happen. 


I do have to admit that I get tired of dems wanting to raise taxes when it is the rich that always have loopholes to get out of paying taxes.  All that does is hurt the middle class and the lower class.


I personally think that we should get rid of all of these silly deductions and have a flat tax.  You made X amount this year and you pay X amount in taxes.  No loopholes.....no nothing....that is it....PERIOD. 


Not naive at all

but criminally calculating in his agenda to *remake* america in his own image.  everything he does (especially where it appears he has not considered the consequences) is a move toward fulfilling this agenda. 


he was not naive in releasing the initial memos on gitmo detainee interrogation. these made the previous administration and national security agencies look bad. his decision not to release further details came about because he now realizes how this would boomerang back on him as president, not out of national security concerns. 


This is so typical of you lefties. sm

Cut and run. It's your mantra.  For all your crying about the innocent civilians killed in Iraq, that is NOTHING compared to what will happen when we leave.  But you never mention that.  Just like Vietnam.  Well, at least your are consistent.


That comment is very naive. sm
Things are deleted from the Internet all the time. I've even done it, had posted once on a medical site, and went and deleted what I posted a year later....the link was still there, but nothing will link to it.



Obama campaign/backers/DNC have been practicing obfuscation on a daily basis.


That's the problem with lefties.
They decide what is worthy of being called 'truth' and what is not.

Like a cockroach hiding from the light.
Do you think it is just the dems? That is a little naive - nm
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I fall in to the you lefties are evil

Another thing. And call me naive (sp), but sm
I think there is a big difference in liberal and Democrat. I mean, what happened to the Democrats of long ago? In my neighborhood I have a wonderful old-lady friend who is in her 80s who is the most godliest woman I know. She is just amazing. She said she was born a Democrat and will die a Democrat. A lot of her friends are the same age and they vote Democrat because they are still living ithe days of Kennedy and the "good ole Democrats." You know, the Zell Miller type of Democrat.

I think that liberalism is an extreme sect all on its own. I don't view my neighbor as liberal at all, in fact more conservative if anything, yet she votes Democrat. These are the ones whom I believe are Christians and believe in God, but they are not liberals.

The liberals I knew were the Yale, Harvard or Brown University liberals which my Democratic friend is not.

In fact, if you ask my friend she is adamantly against abortion and homosexual marriage.

If the old Democratic party would return I would probably switch to that party, but you will never see me voting for the liberals who are in office today. Big difference. I think JFK is turning over in his grave over what has happened to his party.

A question for everyone...righties, lefties, and in between!
I just want to pose this question...

If you were followed around night and day, every little thing you said or mumbled recorded and written down, how many of you would be torn to shreds if the media decided they wanted to say something about you? I know I would!

It seems like "we the people" want to pick at every little thing ever said by these people. They are still humans! Did anyone of them know that they were going to be running for president 20 years ago? Probably not. Maybe some dreamed, but heck when I was a little girl I dreamed of being the first female president! But even at 21 if I ran for it now (I know technically I can't because I'm not old enough) if they started digging into some of the dumb things I've done I'd be thrown to the wolves! (no pun intended)

We really need to get off of their backs on some things. Seriously. Don't just take what you hear on the news or read on here and use it as your judgment. Research and find out the full context. Find out if Palin was just making a passing comment about Russia as her neighbor, or if Obama was just using an old American saying "lipstick on a pig" and on and on.

It scares me to think how many people in this nation are going to vote based on hearsay.

Of course I'm sure that no matter who gets in office if they don't wave their magic wand and make everything better there will still be plenty of complainers. The truth of the matter is until EVERYONE can work together (not just the government) we will never get things in order.

Just some thoughts.
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So, do all lefties not believe in free speech then?
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I would quit trying to talk to these lefties.
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I am always amazed at how naive some people are....s/m
He's doing this to enable his admistration, and Congress, the ability to take this country as far and hard to the left, and as fast as he possibly can.


He has a purpose, and it's not for the good welfare of our country.


It's to put our entire country "ON" welfare, and grow the government. This is a major takeover, and you're right about one thing.


He's as transparent as glass to the rest of us.


And we don't want what he's about to bring us to, to our knees with government control over every aspect of our lives.



At least I have the comfort of knowing I didn't vote for him.






They are this naive. That is the scariest part.
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They said this about the lefties when Bush was President. sm
If you weren't with Bush, you were with the terrorists, or the Clintons with their vast right wing conspiracy. People who shot their mouths off about Bush are in the DHS database too.
You lefties are so fair....the fairness is staggering...
attack him for not paying attention to hurricane and then attack him for paying attention to hurricane. Just proves that all you want to do is attack, attack, attack.
No, shallow Sally. Repubs are smart, but lefties
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your view is naive, short-sighted and simplistic
I don't want to get caught up in a debate here. Americans can buy whatever they want. You are right. But then when your job is gone, don't complain about it because you fed the problem instead of solving it. If you don't support American companies, you are supporting some other economy instead of your own. How can the American economy ever survive if Americans do not support it? There is a bigger picture here, and I believe you are missing it. The failure of the automakers would affect every other business and service in this country, including ours, by a ripple effect. So when you lose your job because the number of hospital and physician visits is reduced since none of them has insurance anymore and no one can afford medical care anymore, remember what you said here. If they fail, we all will lose from it.
I guess we lefties will hafta give the right a break
Why doesn't the right give the new government a break, and try to work with it instead of undermining any attempts at fixing our country's myriad of problems?

(Because they CAN'T, I guess).
time for the lefties to pile on and yuk it with your poor attempt at humor.nm

Palin really seems to scare the loony lefties and mainstream media
One has to wonder why they continue to expend so much time and effort on trying to villify, ridicule and harass this woman - who isn't running for any office at the moment.

Personally, I think it's highly unlikely that Palin would be nominated or run in 2012, but why are the Democrats already worrying about the next presidential race? Hmmmm? Passing strange, if you ask me, considering what we've got on our plate to deal with right now.


You loonie lefties must be simply dancing with rage today, eh?
Oh yeah - and by the way, another little bit of advice: Be careful what you wish for. And I do mean VERY careful. It's been simply amazing watching the radical left fashioning for themselves a two-edged sword on which they themselves will undoubtedly be impaled.
I throw it right back at you: Blind, in denial, naive, conservative pub...nm
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I've got a question for the lefties. How are we supposed to elicit valuable, possibly life-savin

information from a terrorist if we don't use enhanced interrogation techniques?  What do you suggest?  We serve them a buffet and politely ask what their next target is?  And when they refuse to talk, we just say well, thanks anyway, go with Allah?


Enhanced interrogation techniques or torture, if you will, is a necessary evil in this perpetually dark and dangerous world we live in. 


His plans are just that....plans.
Besides, I don't think he can actually even try to do any of his plans with the way things are now.  The economy just won't allow it.  We can't afford any government programs or universal health care.  The USA has no money.  Even if he just taxed the rich more, which I doubt it will just limited to the rich, that still wouldn't be enough money to pay for these government programs.  It won't happen....it can't and if it does, we will all pay for it because all taxes will go up.
Cheaper plans -- $107 to $220
There are cheaper plans for the child, just checked and they range from 107 with 1000 deductible up to 220 for HMO.  I had to go without health insurance for a long while after getting divorced and getting my life back together, did not ask the government to come in and save me and at an older age, have a lot more chance of medical problems than young kids.  When I was a kid there was no health insurance, hardly went to the doctor.  I just feel that middle income people (over 80,000) can afford to support their kids with insurance.  Do not carry it on yourself and cover your kids if you feel so adamant about it.  And as for the cigarette tax covering it, once they find out the administation cost of it, then they will have to tax the rest of us to fund it.  Also every government plan starts out great and then they cut the benefits to the doctors as they don't have the money and pretty soon there are no doctors that will accept those patients.  Seen it time and time again.   But like someone else said, give a credit to the family once they pay the premiums for their kids.   Government taking care of us is not the answer, at least to me it isn't.
Plans for CHANGE! LOL
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me too - who else plans to quit
Why work. There are no incentives. Why should I work when my money will be taken and given to people like Peggy Joseph who stated she won't have to work to buy gas and she won't have to work to pay her mortgage.


I did not say I did not agree with his plans -
I said we are not all looking for handouts... Of course, some people believe that is what he is going to do - I for one do not believe he is going to give "handouts".

I also don't consider tax cuts handouts, I don't consider helping people go to school handouts.

And, I very much LOVE the idea of not rewarding companies for sending our jobs overseas and for giving tax incentives to the companies who keep our jobs in the states.

I love the fact that I will not have to itemize my taxes to get to count my mortgage interest off on my taxes - why should some people be able to claim that credit and others not be able to?

I love the fact that he stands for a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body...

I love the fact that he is going to work toward getting affordable insurance for all people and not have to depend on an employer to provide you some type of coverage...

I never said I did not agree with his plan - just that I interpret his plans different than you.


Congress looks at Big 3 plans...... sm

Congress has looked at the Big 3's plans to cut costs in order to "qualify" for a bailout, the amount of which has now grown to $34B.  Nancy Pelosi seems to be in favor, so my bet is they will get it. 

Some of the concessions the auto makers are ready to make is slashing the executive pay, getting rid of executive bonuses, postponing employee merit raises for next year, suspending health care payments into a union health care plan, and possibly getting rid of the controversial job banks. 

Ford said they only wanted a standby line of credit with the government in case the other two go belly up.  GM seems to be the one hurting the most. 

I really have to wonder, will a bailout REALLY help or will it just postpone the inevitable with the rest of the economy dying the way it is???? 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97737508&ft=1&f=1001