Your version of the truth is skewed.
Posted By: FeFiFo on 2009-01-01
In Reply to: So, you don't have the guts to comment on - sm
The Lebanese militia executed the people in the camps, though Israel took the blame for it. Why don't you go whine about the Lebanese, instead of transposing all your vitriol on Israel? Like most of the world, you seem to have given the Lebanese Phalangists a free pass. If you were so 'outraged' about S&S, why don't you actually hold the people who did the killing accountable?
Or are you unsure of the difference between Israel and Lebanon?
And isn't it odd that hardly anyone in the Arab world gave a rip about Sabra and Shatila? While in Israel there were protests and the Israeli government itself conducted an inquiry. (Which proved that, at most, we were only guilty of not forseeing the potential for the LEBANESE MILITARY to do what they did.)
And 3000 is ridiculous. The Lebanese reports were 450 or something, and the Israeli inquest reported 800 (of which I think 35 were non-soldiers). But it sounds better for your propaganda to make it THOUSANDS, so knock yourself out.
And let's not forget that the S&S massacre, by the Lebanese militia, was in retaliation for the murder of the president of Lebanon. Once again, the Pakistani brought wrath down on themselves and then claimed to be the victims.
And I noticed you didn't mention the ྑ attacks on Palestinian refugee camps.
Why? Oh, I know.
Because those were carried out by Muslims, and that just doesn't suit your cause, does it? So the PLO (Palestinias!) can massacre 2000 people and you're fine with that.
But Israel defends itself by returning fire on the Palestinian enemy and you condemn them.
Curious, don't you think?
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Excuse me, but I don't need your skewed
description of what I care about, and of course I care about fighting terrorism. If Bush cares so much about it, why did he thumb his nose at the 9/11 Commission?
And I don't just care that Bush lied about warrants and violated his oath to uphold the Constitution. I care very much that Bush has done nothing BUT lie since the day he entered the White House, if not before.
I can't trust a liar, and I can't trust Bush. Sometimes he scares me more than the terrorists he claims to care so much about fighting.
By the way, can you tell me how letting people carry knives on airplanes again is helping to combat terrorism?
Sp be it, but your line of reasoning is skewed
What if a sex offender was running loose in your neighborhood. What if he had raped a child 10 years ago, went to jail with a slap on the wrist (like what happens these days), and got out in ten years. He shows up in your neighborhood, and you see him out on his porch everyday when the school bus arrives and leaves. Not only is he leering at the school kids he's making outrageous comments on a daily basis. Would you say, *Oh, he went to prison. He did his time. Hopefully, he's rehabilited. Yes, he's a little strange and outrageous, but so far, as far as we know, he's not touched a kid again so we need to leave him alone.*
Would you trust this guy? Especially if you then found out he has a *rape room* in his house? What if his sons were running around the neighborhood reeking havoc and doing the same things but in a more merciless way and you found out they were going to inherit his house when he died?
Well, this correlates very well with Saddam. Almost too closely in fact. Like many of you say here on a daily basis, the world is our neighborhood, and in many neighborhoods there are bullies, and they don't quit being bullies until you take them out. It's just the way the world works.
Here's a better version
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=i2naSzb1psU&feature=related
so your version
of freedom of speech is to allow anonymous people to go on and on and on and on about rumours and innuendos and twisty plots, but when someone expresses a thought that disagrees with yours, they are condemned as drug users. Whole lotta gaul, there binky.
O is just a younger version of the....sm
good ol' boys club, really. Young and vital, yeah, okay. Clever, no.
If he was really clever, and had something of value to offer me, I'd be voting for him.
We should start calling Obama, O'Same.
Anon's version is better.
Gee, I posted the pub version of this
a couple of weeks ago and nobody saw the humor.
My take on the subject, the short version.
Every country has some form of socialized medicine. Ours is comprised of the poor, the elderly, and those giving service to our country (military and political of which number in the millions) both past and present that encompasses their family members as well through different benefit packages depending on where they fall within the system. I believe the major argument is about extending those benefits in a social manner outside of what is already in place.
Reader's Digest version....
Nancy Pelosi is Catholic, Joe Biden is Catholic. Nancy Pelosi made some comment about the Catholic Church being vague on the issue of abortion (those are not her exact words, the jist of it). Anyway, immediately one of the Catholic Church hierarchy said there was nothing vague about the stand of the Catholic Church (and printed what the stand is) and said if a Catholic supported abortion they should not take Communion. It was mentioned again in Denver when someone asked the Archbishop of Denver about it, as Joe Biden does profess to be Catholic, and the Archbishop said that the Catholic Church believes abortion to be wrong and he would speak to Mr. Biden personally. Bottom line, the Catholic Church defines life begins at conception, they are against abortion, and these Catholic higher-ups are saying that if you publically support abortion you should not take Communion. If you Google Pelosi abortion catholic church you can find a lot of it.
I am not Catholic, by the way. Just answering the question. So I can't get into a shouting match with people about what the Catholic church believes or what they should or should not do. I do agree with them, however, that life begins at conception.
And with that, I will finish.
So I guess what the article meant was that the last thing the Obama campaign wants to have to answer is abortion questions when his veep is catholic and the speaker of the house is catholic and they are being spanked by the church over abortion stance? That would be my take on it. I guess now we will see if Biden will throw his catholicism under the bus too?
Here's a funny (and quieter) version:
 Maybe the commercials should all be done by mimes, as well. Then you wouldn't have to hit "MUTE" on your remote every time one of them came on TV. And it might even be interesting!
Reader's Digest version....
where do you think the dirt on Joe came from? a background check instigated by the governor of Ohio. Which tramples all over Joe's civil rights.
Now let's make that pertinent to you. If YOU went to a John McCain rally and placed yourself at a rope line for the sole purpose of asking a "hard" question...and you did ask the hard question...which he answered...and then his answer was not becoming so to do damage control the governor of the state launched a background check of you and made all the information from that public...would YOU not be angry and sue? I darned sure would. As big as liberals are on civil rights, and the ACLU is not in sight, and you certainly aren't defending Joe's civil rights either are you?
I guess that only matters to you when a liberal's civil rights are violated?
sorry came out off center. Fixed version.
I decided to post this at the top since things get lost in the shuffle so quickly here.
Right now there are single, low income mothers (and fathers I would assume) who by the time they get the earned income credit and claim head of household do not owe taxes and actually get back more than they paid in to begin with. So why haven't you been carrying on about that all along? (And when people without children are contributing to this with their tax money, why isn't that considered socialism?)
I don't get all the chaos over this issue.
nope not referring...but Bob's version is better.........NM
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I was thinking too, that the right wing version of Christianity...sm
does not necessary practice much *tolerance* much less acceptance or embracing of other religions and/or cultures itself. They should expect to get as good as they give.
Revelations, King James Version
Loved the "TV guide" version
Thanks for the countdown to Hillary's speech. Put some comedy into this which is what is needed. I also loved the other post that said a whole Xanax affords you a 2-hour nap. I'm gonna have to get me some of that.
I have learned a few things during this "race". Hillary is driven by power and greed and she won't stop at anything. I've never liked her. Well actually I used to like her when she and Bill were campaigning before he was elected the first time, and I liked her for about a month after she became first lady. Then her true self started to come out and DH and I would be mystified saying, wait a minute...this is not the same lady. I also heard that whenever they hosted dinners at the white house they would tell everyone to be there at a certain time and then they would purposely wait one hour and have everyone gather at the bottom of the steps so they could make their grand entrance for everyone to watch. They seemed to forget they were living in America and the were the president and first lady, not living in England being the King and Queen. So looks like her attitude hasn't changed much. Hillary has always been after uniting the world into a one-world government (or at least Mexico, US & Canada being one country) with her being the leader. Nothing less. I never expected her to end her campaign. After all you never know when such tragedy will hit and she needs to be standing there ready to sleeze in. In the beginning I listened to her because I wanted to know what her plans were if she were to be elected, and it seemed to be more of the same socialist programs she has been trying to pass since being first lady. So I have learned the best way to avoid the stress of listening to her drone on is to hit the mute button as soon as her face "graces" my TV. Now I'm pretty good and can usually hit the channel changer first before a sound from her is even uttered.
Anyway...loved your post. and yes, grilled peach salad doesn't sound too good.
I prefer the Dorothy Parker version
(Look it up, they prolly would not let me use the words here....)
The truth sounds rude when put bluntly but still is the truth. nm
!!!! hahaha
Stimulus plan...the short version....no one talks about....
Obama: I'm going to give you a one-time $500 tax rebate check.
I'm also going to give those people who don't work for a living, or pay into the system, a $500 check too.
Oh, did I forget to mention.....
You're going to owe the govt. $10,000 in taxes, once I can get away with asking you all to foot the bill for my stimulus package.
Stimulus plan...the short version....no one talks about....
Obama: My trillion dollar stimulus package, very dire, we must do something NOW, right now, before it gets worse. Therefore I'm going to......
I'm going to give you a one-time $500 check.
I'm also going to give those people who don't work for a living, or pay into the system, a $500 check too.
Oh, did I forget to mention.....
You're going to owe the U.S. govt. $10,000 in taxes, once I can get away with asking you all to foot the bill for my stimulus package.
When you have a bipartisan version of the bill to view...please enlighten us. nm
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Site with the latest version of the stimulus bill. sm
Here is the link to the bill:
http://appropriations.house.gov/
Apparently, they are not going to have enough time to read it before the final vote. It is 1,071 pages long and Ms. Pelosi is going on vacation somewhere for eight days.
http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=43478
Stimulus plan...the short version (fine print)....no one talks about....
Obama: My trillion dollar stimulus package, very dire, we must do something NOW, right now, before it gets worse. (I can sell anything...just tell me what to say.....) Therefore I'm going to......
I'm going to give you a one-time $500 check.
I'm also going to give those people who don't work for a living, or pay into the system, a $500 check too.
Oh, did I forget to mention.....
Each one of you taxpayers are going to owe the U.S. govt. $10,000 in taxes, once I can get away with asking you all to foot the bill for my stimulus package. (2 years down the line or so.....when we have to become fiscally responsible)
Liberal truth vs. Conservative truth.
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The truth, the whole truth and nothing but...It's probably the biggest...sm
reason why I am voting democrat...they seem more honest than the the republicans and it looks like people are starting to get smart and *bailin' Palin*... We don't need to keep hearing her *greatest hits" version of her acceptance speech over and over and McSame's POW story...that was then, this is now...we need REAL change and we need it NOW. I don't need someone to push the red button, I need someone to fix the economy!
Truth? The truth is she is nuts!
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Truth
give me a freaking break, okay? The truth needs to be posted over and over and over again.
the truth
So true and so well put.
You could not be further from the truth. NM
...
Now, now, now... let's tell the TRUTH, which is NOT:
His first guest on his first show was Madalyn O'Hair (very appropo, since he is himself an atheist).
History IS important. Check yours.
Phil Donahue is a Catholic.
Where's the truth in the above?
It's just your fantasy of wanting Bush to get caught getting a B.J....and quoting Marey Carey, a former porn star. Any credibility you had you just flew out the window.
The truth is that no one really knows the truth about 911.sm
I think their secrecy surrounding the matter is creating oddball theories. I do not know if I would call them a subculture, but I know the 911 truth movement is quite large (millions). This will even be used as a political platform for a few running for office. One that comes to mind is Robert Bowman running for Congress.
Truth.
If you believe –
That the Bible is the inspired Word of God
That Jehovah God is a God of integrity and it is impossible for Him to break covenant because of His character,
That Jesus Christ is our example, and we are to follow Him,
Then there is no Biblical alternative to supporting Israel and the Jewish people.
Are you all nonbelievers here?
We already know the truth. nm
nm.
The truth (as you see it)...sm
Quotes from Mizz Coulter:
Freedom of Speech
* They're [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment.
o University of Florida speech; October 20, 2005.
Immigration
* I'd build a wall. In fact, I'd hire illegal immigrants to build the wall. And throw out the illegals who are here. [...] It's cheap labor.
o Fox News; The O'Reilly Factor; Transcript via Media Matters; April 14, 2006.
o On illegal immigration
Liberals
* VESTER: You say you’d rather not talk to liberals at all? COULTER: I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days.
o (FOX News Channel, DaySide with Linda Vester, 10/6
New York Times
* My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.
o New York Observer article; August 26, 2002.
* Of course I regret it. I should have added 'after everyone had left the building except the editors and the reporters.'
o rightwingnews.com; June 26, 2003.
o On her (above) statement concerning Timothy McVeigh
* [Learning difficulties are a cover for] rich parents with dumb kids...That's why 'Pinch' Sulzberger, the publisher of The New York Times, is alleged to have dyslexia - because he's retarded.
o The Independent; August 16, 2004.
o Arthur O. Sulzberger, Jr., publisher of New York Times
Stevens, Justice John Paul
* We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens's creme brulee. That's just a joke, for you in the media.
o Philander Smith College January 26, 2006 [6]
Women
* I think [women] should be armed but should not vote...women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it...it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care.
o Comedy Central; Politically Incorrect; February 26, 2001.
* It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted.
o [8]; May 17, 2003.
* I think the other point that no one is making about the [Abu Ghraib] abuse photos is just the disproportionate number of women involved, including a girl general running the entire operation. I mean, this is lesson, you know, number 1,000,047 on why women shouldn't be in the military. In addition to not being able to carry even a medium-sized backpack, women are too vicious.
o Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; May 5, 2004.
Voting
* I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote.
o Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; August 17, 1997.
Liberals hate religion because politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition.
* Slander (2002) ISBN 1400046610, p. 194
Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now.
* Slander (2002) ISBN 1400046610, p. 5-6
I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo.
* Her column; December 21, 2005
* Governmental responsibility
* We were terrified that Jones would settle. It was contrary to our purpose of bringing down the president.
o Uncovering Clinton: A Reporter’s Story (1998), pg. 183.
o Paula Jones
* If those kids had been carrying guns they would have gunned down this one [teenage] gunman. ... Don't pray. Learn to use guns.
o Politically Incorrect; December 18, 1997.
o Heath High School shooting (where a gunman killed 3 students at a prayer meeting at the school). When she said Don't pray, Coulter may have been asked whether she approved of praying in school.
* [A] cruise missile is more important than Head Start.
o From a speech, November 2001, rebroadcast by C-Span in January, 2002.
o Education spending vs. defense spending
The list goes on:
These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband's deaths so much. -on 9/11 widows who have been critical of the Bush administration
We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee. That's just a joke, for you in the media.
Liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole.
There are a lot of bad republicans; there are no good democrats.
We need to execute people like (John Walker Lindh) in order to physically intimidate liberals.
Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.
Liberals are stalwart defenders of civil liberties -- provided we're only talking about criminals.
We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.
Press passes can't be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the President.
The swing voters -- I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don't have set philosophical principles. You're either a liberal or you're a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster.
How about this truth.
All life is sacred or no life is sacred, no exceptions.
Once again, not really the truth
I'm starting to get irked. What is with all the manipulation of the truth? Why can't you guys stick with fact? Nixon denied what he had done, LIED blatantly for a long time until there was so much evidence against him that he FINALLY had to come clean. Yes, much like Clinton. I don't need to change historical facts to fit my own agenda like you do, e.g., also the Summerby comment.
Your claims are ridiculous and I don't know why you are making them. You seem too intelligent for such complete hogwash. Really.
I don't know why to tell you the truth....
...and I don't think it is a "Republican" site per se. It is definitely a conservative-leaning site. I am not a registered Republican except in primary years. I do not owe my alliegance nor vote to any political party. But I admit, the further left the Democratic party goes, the less likely I will ever vote democratic again. I have in the past. But it is doubtful that I ever will again. But...I digress.
I hear you about the complete bashing and name calling. And yes, you can make your points, counter the points of others, without bashing and name calling. I get angry too, and i think some of the things I see posted here at me...lol. But I get up, walk away, bite my lip, and then try to post after that initial wave of &(A(& passes...lol
Have a good night, kiki :)
Why not tell the truth for once?
You introduce an issue, someone does not agree with you, and then the attacks start. Eight, nine, ten bashing posts to my one. Now who does that seem like is monopolizing the board. THis is not a dem board. It is a political board. You do not tolerate any dissenting opinions. You should really try to actually be democratic...that is your party name after all.
Ain't that the truth!! nm
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Actually he DID tell the truth once...
when he said the big O was not ready to be President as it did not lend itself to on-the-job experience. He hit that nail square on the head.
Here is your truth. sm
Guess Olbermann is wrong about date - JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#26798219
not sure how much truth there is to this
i've heard it's not over.. hill may still run with obama
Not quite all the truth ...
Palin didn't kill the bridge to nowhere. She supported it and then, when CONGRESS said NO to it, she still took the money. Just a wolf in sheep's clothing there.
Probably a lot easier to have an 89% to 93% approval rating when you hardly have any residents to please!! LOL
McCain's cheating is just that: Cheating. It's not something you do - it's what you are -- a cheater. Even psychiatrists and psychologists will tell you that a person who cheats once is all the more likely to repeat that behavior. Cheating comes in all forms.
So, now if you're gonna forgive McCain's past badddd behavior, you must forgive Obama's past uglies, too.
If you want to hail Palin as some kind of maverick or new breed, make sure you give appropriate kudos to the other side who are doing things in a new light, too.
Oh, and by her a thesaurus. She needs to learn a little new lingo. Tired of every conversation out of her mouth being about the bridge to nowhere (which she supported and then took the money on) and being a maverick (hmmm, wasn't the Wild West full of mavericks who behaved badly and got away with it?) and putting that jet on ebay (which did not sell - someone else had to sell it and it came at a $600K loss in value - a loss to taxpayers) and all the same things in her first speech at the convention. Not a new word since. Not a new original thought since. Bush speechwriters writing for her. LOL
You sure you want to see the truth.....
And, you can't say it was all made up lies. The poor kid standing there pointing out the facts with his own mouth. How sad you think ACORN is such a great group. Look who they take advantage of. Probably the same ones they claim to want to help better themselves. Now, watch carefully....
http://www.newsnet5.com/politics/17703748/detail.html
Thanks for some more truth about
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Well, to tell the truth
I'm not sure if it is the left or the right driving this b/c thing into the ground. I thought it was the right. I know I'm sick of hearing the same ole same ole over and over and over. It has gotten to the point that it just makes me angry. There may be a few exceptions but I think maybe regular posters find nothing new to discuss so they may just go away. One poster swore that he/she would keep bringing the b/c issue to the top and by golly, he/she has done so. I have noticed that when a new topic is introduced there is no one who seems interested in discussing anything not connected with the b/c so that leads me to the above conclusion. If there happened to be some new information regarding the b/c or lack thereof, I would certainly be interested in reading it but there is not a shred of proof that the b/c is not legitimate and having examined it on the internet, which is about as close as any of us are going to get, the issue is resolved to my satsfaction. I just wonder when the group flogging this dead horse will ever give it up and move on. I enjoy debating issues with fellow MTs but not issues that have already been proven to be nonissues. I doubt the SC will hear the case brought by that ignoramus lawyer. If they do they are dumber than him.
What is it the b/c people want anyway? Do they think Hillary could just be declared the winner after all? Do they think McCain should be declared the winner? Do they want Bush to stay in office? With this country in such a mess, exactly what is it these people want to have happen? Someone has to be president, if not Obama, then who? I might give the whole thing a little more credibility if someone would take the time to explain to me exactly what it is they want to accomplish.....and PLEASE don't insult my intelligence by coming back with "he's not a citizen."
truth
Gourdpainter: As my father always told us when we were kids - "there are four sides of the truth - your side, the other person's side; and the side no one is telling but most important of all - God's truth, and when you figure out which truth to tell that is right, then you can come and talk to me.."
Just truth
The truth hurts, and anybody who can follow Obama after reading all of the facts checked on him, which are not in his favor and are abundant, really needs to ask themselves why. Obama is making promises he can't keep. Sometimes "change" isn't better. Obama supporters are looking at dollar signs, not using common sense. Come on now! As I said before, I used to follow Obama. I truly wish you would take ALL the facts and really ask yourself why you are voting for this man. Regardless of all the untruths being found about him, he's not experienced enough. Nobody is trying to scare anybody--it is just insanity to me that anybody could follow Obama. Don't get me wrong--I was almost swayed by his "charm," too. Really think about what you're doing here when you check his name on election day. Now look at McCain's strong character, his experience, his moral values (which are in line with our Creator), his patriotism. He puts our country first, isn't making candy promises, is realistic. Like McCain said "You're voting for a President, not a rock star."
You are right and that is truth.nm
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to tell you the truth, I do not know...
I wasn't attacking you, by the way, I just don't think that a lot of people realize that there has already been a proposition about this that passed in California before. I actually think that it is wonderful if it sticks. When I lived in California, I would be so upset to pass many propositions, only to have them overturned. It seems a little against the system.
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