and "the polls" said Kerry was winning on election night
Posted By: Reality check on 2005-08-23
In Reply to: Oh please - gt
but you probably still think those polls were correct, so I just wasted my breath.
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Kerry would win if election was now
Poll: Kerry Would Top Bush Today
NEW YORK, Nov. 5, 2005
 President Bush delivers his speech after being sworn into office for a second term, as Sen. John Kerry looks on, at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, Jan. 22, 2005. (AP) |
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(CBS) If last year’s presidential election were being held today, the results might well be different than the results of a year ago. 41% of registered voters say that if the 2004 election were being held today, they would cast their ballot for Democratic candidate John Kerry, while 36% say they would vote for President George W. Bush. 13% say they would vote for someone else, and 6% wouldn’t vote at all. IF 2004 ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY…
(Registered Voters) John Kerry  41% George W. Bush 36% Someone else 13% Not vote 6% In this poll, 12% of registered voters said they didn’t vote in 2004. Among those who did vote, 45% said they voted for Kerry last year, and 46% said they voted for President Bush. 2% reported voting for Nader, and 7% won’t say for whom they voted. If the election were held this year, both candidates would retain more than eight in ten of the voters who supported them last year, according to this poll. But President Bush would lose about 3% of those who said they voted for him last year to his Democratic opponent. And although none of those who supported Kerry last year would now vote for Bush, 13% say they would support another candidate. But among voters who either didn’t vote in 2004 or voted for another candidate, or refused to say for whom they voted, Kerry leads Bush by 34% to 11%. IF 2004 ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY…
(Registered Voters) In 2004, voted for: Kerry John Kerry 81% George W. Bush - Someone else 13% Not vote 4% In 2004, voted for: Bush John Kerry 3% George W. Bush 84% Someone else 7% Not vote 3% In 2004, voted for: Other/didn't vote John Kerry 34% George W. Bush 11% Someone else 23% Not vote 16%
For detailed information on how CBS News conducts public opinion surveys, click here.This poll was conducted among a nationwide random sample of 936 adults, including 828 registered voters, interviewed by telephone October 30-November 1, 2005. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample and the sample of registered voters could be plus or minus three percentage points.
Anyone catch John Kerry's speech last night?
Scathing against McCain. Fabulous speech. He echoed some of my thoughts on McCain, about how much he has changed to pander to the base and get the nomination. Here is a snippet:
Candidate McCain now supports the wartime tax cuts that Senator McCain once denounced as immoral. Candidate McCain criticizes Senator McCain’s own climate change bill. Candidate McCain says he would now vote against the immigration bill that Senator McCain wrote. Are you kidding? Talk about being for it before you’re against it.
I'm a left-leaning independent who thought I may vote Republican this time around if McCain ran. Well, he did, and as time went on I could see how much he has changed his positions to pander to the far right and I have lost most of my respect for him. I'll give him credit for being a veteran and a POW (a point that while it was once a powerful emotional point for him is now abused by him as an excuse for just about everything is sadly becoming a joke of his own making), but candidate McCain is NOT the same as Senator John McCain. Anyway, great speech by Sen. Kerry.
Hello. Early polls ARE the first phase of the election.
These are Americans. They were alive when they voted. A vote is a vote is a vote is a vote. They evidently took their citizenship very seriously. They should be afforded at least the respect to be taken seriously and be counted along with the rest of us. You, on the other hand...would you say this about your own mother or daughter? What is wrong with you?
Polls mean nothing. Wait till election day, to see who wins.
Nope. We won't know until election night.
Kerry was supposed to win until the actual voting came in. Everyone was shocked. We'll see what happens. Your side certainly didn't hesitate to yell voter fraud in Florida and Ohio when they lost did they? Pot kettle...lol. Sigh.
'Twas the night before the election.........sm
*'Twas the night before elections*
*And all through the town*
*Tempers were flaring*
*Emotions all up and down!*
**
*I, in my bathrobe*
*With a dog in my lap*
*Had cut off the TV*
*Tired of political crap.*
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*When all of a sudden*
*There arose such a noise*
*I peered out of my window*
*And saw Obama and his boys*
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*They had come for my wallet*
*They wanted my pay*
*To give it to the others*
*Who had not worked a day!*
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*He snatched up my money*
*And quick as a flash*
*Jumped back on his bandwagon*
*With all of my stash*
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*He then rallied his henchmen*
*Who were pulling his cart*
*I could tell they were out*
*To tear my country apart!*
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*'On Fannie, on Freddie, *
*On Biden and Ayers!*
*On Acorn, On Pelosi'*
*He screamed at the pairs!*
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*They took off for his cause*
*And as he flew out of sight*
*I heard him laugh at the nation*
*That wouldn't stand up and fight!*
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*So I leave you to think*
*On this one final note-*
*IF YOU DON'T WANT SOCIALISM*
*GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!*
dem stacked polls mean nothing...wait till the election and we'll see....nm
If you believe in polls good for you - The King of Polls said
So the polls only poll a few small areas with certain demographics. You trust that. Sure maybe they only poll Hollyweird and the other liberal cities. They also reflect all the phone voter registrations, so maybe to your cat and cartoon characters it matters that Obama is ahead. Me - I'll wait for election day to find out the truth about who is ahead in the race. I've said it before and I'll say it again (and glad to know Mr. Rassmusin backs me up on this one) - polls do not matter and do not reflect a real vision of who is ahead in the race.
The polls that supply that electoral map are just that....polls...sm
Polls mean less than nothing to me. Polls intimidate and mislead the voters, in my opinion. Thanks for asking.
I thougth you signed off for the night with a good night to all
Welcome back. Yeah, I saw the same flip off he gave Hillary - nice gesture and respect to a woman who fought hard to get where she is at. Such disrespect.
BTW - I don't know anyone who uses their middle finger to scratch their face.
like we would have been better off with Kerry nm
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You are so right, we are winning and
It will be a better world with Obama. He will restore our image around the world and loosen up our finances a bit, ensure we have health care, etc. Nobody has ever addressed these important issues. It's refreshing and touching, encouraging and a long time coming.
John Kerry...sm
He was coined a flip flopper in the 04 election, but he has been saying the same thing ever since and it is making more and more sense every day.
STEALING is not winning!!!
Blogger responses to the rigging of Ohio's voting system:
The law growls a bit but comes up toothless for the common man most of the time--at all levels. Take the Supreme Court (please! as Henny Youngman would say). It was right down there in the gutter, snarling over the bone, which it wrested away in the 2000 election and handed over to George W. Bush. Democrat John Kerry did not attempt to even test this right-leaning court (with its Bush appointees) over the foul voting-day thievery in Ohio that cost him the election in 2004--his resolve no doubt already weakened by the vicious "Swift Boat" slander that had had been slathered over him during the preceding months. Consider, if you will, the eventual condition of our court system all across the country due to the appointment of federal judges at all levels. It's bad enough after 8 years of George Bush. Do we want another 4 or 8 years at the hands of McCain and/or Palin? Start by considering the decisions concerning just the environment--pollution, land-use, etc. They come up on a regular basis. We are fortunate to still have some long-time judges with integrity who date from earlier times. But this, too, could pass. Palin, in addition to being a Creationist, also doesn't believe in Global Warming. McCain, despite his inane campaign remarks, is right there in the hip pocket of big oil, opposes alternate energy sources (check his Senate record) and isn't really much concerned about the melting of the polar ice cap and glaciers everywhere. Not to mention the extinction of species (eventually our own?) and old-growth timber, the conversion of the Pacific ocean into a floating garbage dump that is a bird and fish killer. The country and the planet just can't stand the theft of another election by the Republicans.
Man alive.....there's no winning!
Now it's the republicans fault the bailout went through. Now, if they had held firm and NOT voted for it, and things continued to look bad for a while, you would have blamed them for NOT voting for the handout.
You just can't make up your mind.
obama winning
scares me in so may different ways... this would be one of the many reasons.
SEATTLE, WA — Joe Biden says he’s certain that if Barack Obama is elected president, there will be an international crisis to test his strength within the first 6 months of his presidency.
“Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America.” he told a fundraising crowd in the Pacific Northwest on Sunday. “Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
“He’s gonna have to make some really tough - I don’t know what the decision’s gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it’s gonna happen.”
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/biden-if-elected-the-world-will-test-obama-with-a-crisis/
Yes, exactly...By winning over the moderates
O minimizes and weakens the power of the terrorists. The voice of the people (the moderates)is a very strong voice.
sorry, I meant Gore, not Kerry....(nm)
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Obama winning BECAUSE he's black?
Do you hear yourself? You need a time out.
You just described John Kerry and Ted Kennedy!! LOLOL
Kerry and Kennedy rich, for sure - selfish, not.
Kennedy has stayed in public service for these many decades as has Kerry, when they could be doing something else. But instead of spending their time in Congress creating new ways to make themselves richer and thinking up new ways to take over the country and bully all opposition into fascist submission, they actually serve their constituents and take a stand against the rampant Republican pilfering and self-serving crony capitalism. It's that old noblesse oblige thing that old money has, you know? - totally and conspicuously absent in the peon Republican gamebook.
Where are your *facts* please. Kerry has more mansions and holdings by himself
than Bush and Cheney have combined. Cheney hasn't BEEN with Halliburton in years. I know it will probably take a lobotomy to get that connection out of your mind, but it's so. Please try and get YOUR facts straight.
Wisdom and humor too. A winning combination.
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Let's face it, he stands no chance of winning. However, with the
econmy in mind, he would definitely be the guy to fix this horrible situation we find ourselves in. My whole intention in giving my vote to Mr. Nader is this: I am not going to give up my right to vote, I will be at the polls and I will cast my vote. That being said, I am sick and tired of being lied to and manipulated. I am tired of having my intelligence insulted over and over again by politics as usual in Washington. I will cast a vote and send a message. I know that my tiny vote and its tiny message won't be heard, but I will have satisfaction in knowing that I followed my heart and I did not vote for any Washington liar. We need a change alright and neither McCain or Obama is going to bring it.
Your forgetting B. Franks, J. Kerry, N. Pelosi and
all the others in the senate who voted for it. You should listen to that youtube economic expert talking in the post Economics I can understand. He was right on.
Do you think these guys would be crying for John Kerry's daughters to go if he had won?
Somehow, I seriously doubt it.
They can't even combined touch Kerry's wealth. Get real.
 on your own bad self.
Form email from John Kerry and my reply
...and my response. (Warning: It's lengthy.)
This is our moment of truth. You and I have to make it absolutely clear that we won't stand for Republican Swift Boat style attacks on Jack Murtha.
Yesterday, an extraordinary congressman, former Marine Drill Sergeant and decorated Vietnam veteran, spoke out on the war in Iraq. He didn't come to that moment lightly. He spoke his mind and spoke his heart out of love for his country and support for our troops. No sooner had the words left his lips than the vicious assault on his character and patriotism began.
Today, in a statement on the Senate floor, in interviews with the national media, and in this message to you, I am seeking out every opportunity to defend a brave American hero that the Republican attack machine has set their sights on.
I urge you to do the same. Whether you agree or disagree with Jack Murtha is irrelevant. These despicable attacks on Jack Murtha's patriotism and courage must be met with an enormous public outcry. Call your local talk radio show, write a letter to the editor, phone your members of Congress - join me in acting now to reject these Swift Boat style attacks on Jack Murtha.
It disgusts me that a bunch of guys who have never put on the uniform of their country have aimed their venom at a marine who served America heroically in Vietnam and has been serving heroically in Congress ever since. No matter what J.D. Hayworth says, there is no sterner stuff than the backbone and courage that defines Jack Murtha's character and conscience.
Dennis Hastert -- the Speaker of the House who never served -- accused Jack Murtha of being a coward. Well let me tell you, Jack Murtha wasn't a coward when he put himself in harm's way for his country in Vietnam and earned two purple hearts -- he was a patriot then, and he is a patriot today. Jack Murtha's courage in combat earned him a Bronze Star, and his voice should be heard, not silenced by those who still today cut and run from the truth.
Instead of letting his cronies run their mouths, the President for once should stop his allies from doing to Jack Murtha what he set them loose to do to John McCain in South Carolina and Max Cleland in Georgia.
The President should finally find the courage to debate the real issue instead of destroying anyone who speaks truth to power as they see it. It's time for Americans to stand up, fight back, and make it clear it's unacceptable to do this to any leader of any party anywhere in our country.
I urge you to join today in a massive public outcry that rejects the attempt to demonize and destroy anyone who dares to disagree with George W. Bush's aimless stay for as long as it takes policy on Iraq.
Please act now. Call and email your elected officials. Flood talk radio with calls rejecting these vicious smear tactics. Send a letter to the editor.
Express your outrage about the tired old Rovian Swift Boat style attacks on Jack Murtha.
Sincerely,
John Kerry
MY REPLY:
Dear Senator Kerry:
I absolutely agree with everything you wrote, and I have been posting my views on political message boards, as well as emailing Duncan Hunter, and I've written a four-page letter to Congressman Murtha himself.
Now I must address YOUR response to the attacks on Congressman Murtha.
I thank you for your defense of him; however, I felt it was very, VERY weak. (By the way, please pass this on to Senators Clinton and Reid so they might get a clue into what makes the majority of Americans tick).
For years now, Democrats, including yourself, have openly expressed their opposition to the Iraq war, but you haven't had one single idea to fix the problem, and when asked WHY you voted for it (before you voted against it), you all give some lame, limp, meaningless excuse.
NOW is the time to aggressively defend Congressman Murtha and his plan for leaving Iraq. Bush HAS NO PLAN. MURTHA DOES. It's really quite a simple concept.
Although I'm beginning to lose patience with you all, let's regroup and start over. Today is the first day of the rest of our lives.
I realize that most of you fell down on the job and didn't really scrutinize the Bush intelligence (this term is found in the dictionary under oxymoron and/or just plain old moron).
You were probably busy and didn't have time to read thousands of pages of documents. That's understandable. What's even more understandable is that as President of the United States, there's a preconceived notion that this person is, in fact, ethical and honorable. We now know that is not the case. We now know that he possibly took America to war on the blood of thousands of 9/11 victims simply to insure a successful Presidency. NOW is the time to admit that you, as well as every intelligent, thinking American and the entire WORLD, were FOOLED by this man because he was so blatant and aggressive in his pursuit of this war, it simply never occurred to any of you that you were dealing with a man who planned on attacking Iraq before he was even (s)elected President. (See
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20...went_to_war.php,)
NOW is the time to expose the true character and motives of this prior alcoholic who never received professional help for his addiction. He comes across as a simple man because he IS a simple man, in every sense of the word. His simplicity extends to the largest deficit in American history, and his tactics remind me of a teenager who recklessly maxes out Daddy's credit card because he has no responsibility for the bill, given that Daddy will pay it.
NOW is the time to embrace Congressman Murtha's plan, since it DOES make sense, reflects an actual THOUGHT PROCESS taking place, and is the thing that most Americans want. This man is not some 5-deferment draft dodger or Air National Guard absentee. He's a decorated Purple Heart recipient, who has devoted his entire life to helping the military and veterans.
NOW is the time to reveal an administration who would place the lives of a CIA agent in jeopardy and with everyone who ever worked with her, simply because her husband exposed the TRUTH.
NOW is the time to reveal the administration's press secretary's Plamerizing of John Murtha. NOW is the time to acknowledge that you truly have connected the dots, and the picture of a lying, unethical administration has emerged. If you do this NOW, most forward-thinking Americans will probably forgive you for now just catching up with everything they've known for months.
NOW is the time to publicly condemn Friday's histrionics of the House of Representatives. I, as a taxpayer, resent having to pay for that crap.
Sadly, you've pretty much already proven that you don't have many original ideas. NOW is the time to attach yourselves to John Murtha's coattails and hang on for dear life.
In case you haven't figured this out yet, you're up against an administration who will stop at NOTHING to transform this country into a theoracy, who will brag about the impending freedom for all Iraqis, while simultaneously slowly removing the freedoms of Americans, as his narrow-minded base pursues control over every single American regarding when we're born, who we love, which God we're allowed to worship, and when and how we die.
NOW is the time to expose the evangelical recruitment taking place in the Air Force in Colorado and the accompanying ridicule and persecution of soldiers who have different religious beliefs.
NOW is the time (albeit it four years LATE) to prove you care about the safety of Americans and aggressively pursue the security of our borders so that al Qaeda members cannot come into America from Mexico and KILL US.
Above all else, NOW IS THE TIME to reveal this President as the one who is truly aiding and abetting the enemy by providing them free, complimentary OTJ training in Iraq where they can hone their craft while killing our American soldiers.
NOW is the time to STOP being quiet and milquetoasty and to aggressively pursue this Administration's lies (I know they're numerous, ongoing, and difficult to keep track of) and reveal them for what they truly are.
MOST OF ALL, NOW is the time to honestly express what Congressman Murtha REALLY said when he outlined his plan to leave Iraq. It was a very thoughtful, sensible plan, and the fact that administration henchmen are maliciously mischaracterizing it should be revealed and aggressively FOUGHT.
If you truly foresee a future for your party, NOW is the time to embrace and advertise something the Administration doesn't have: A PLAN for Iraq. Although you might be able to win some elections by simply being the least worst party, is that really the future you envision for the Democratic party?
The ball is in your court. Don't let this one get away.... again.
Americans are losing patience.
If the McCain/Palin ticket has any chance of winning...sm
the election, they need to about face, stop the negativity, stop talking about Obama, and tell the American people how life would be better if he were elected president. If he doesn't, he does not have a chance. John McCain needs to stop pandering to the religious right and go back to the maverick that he used to be, representing middle America.
Who was rude? I just said she sounds young. You are just mad cuz Obama is winning
so everything i say is hateable from your point... well you can kiss my grits lady...you cannot come to my victory party... no snotty argumentative loser rednecks allowed.
I don;'t think McCain/Palin are the ones winning by hook or CROOK,
That would be Obama/Biden
Why does Obama winning make Americans clueless?...nm
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Yes, last night was party night.
I was actually very disappointed in the Obama party. I thought we were going to discuss issues and where Obama stood on the issues, but the lady from the Democratic Headquarters that came to give that information only passed out papers that were printed directly off of his website - already read that. The other thing I was disappointed in was that it seemed everyone there was a Hillary supporter and talked endlessly about her rather than Obama (no, I didn't get snarky and remind them that she was not running=). Unfortunately, I don't really feel like I learned more than what I did off of his website. It was nice to chat with my friends and meet some new people, but other political-wise, it was a waste of time. That's not to say that all Obama parties would be that way and I do encourage anyone who gets invited to one, whether you're Republican or Democrat, to attend - the person in charge of that one might be more knowledgable than the one from the party I was at. Thanks again to all who sent me websites to check out beforehand!!!
Bill Clinton believed it, so did Hillary and so did John Kerry.
So did a great many in the congress else they would not have said so! How is it possible that you have such selective memory? I wish I could do that.
To "the truth is out there"
I tried to email you and don't think I had a problem, but please check your email to see if you received anything from me. (Hope so.)
Will be leaving the computer for a bit but will be back later this afternoon.
Have a great day! 
"The great unwashed??"
American citizens practing their right to free speech.
Jon Stewart - "The Miami Seven" sm
http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/06/26/tds-the-miami-seven/
Describing Sam as "the pub bully" says all I need
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In "The World According to Sam", the Dems are
They caused the 9/11 attacks. They caused World War II. They caused Jesus to be crucified. They even caused the extinction of the dinosaurs. When the sun finally burns out and implodes upon itself, that'll be the Democrats' fault, as well.
"The wisdom of the Clinton Presidency..."
ohhhhh to quote reville guffaw guffaw GUFFAW guffaw lol
"The Living Dead" Yes, perfect!
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I remember "The Grit!" It was a great
little newspaper, akin to USA Today. He used to sell it at the neighborhood grocery store when he was about 10. He was a real go-getter and really funny. He died in 1997, miss him, but I want to thank you for the memory :)
Obama truly believes he is "the one". McCain would
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Oprah calls O "The One". The man is a politician,
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"The truth about South Ossetia"
Remember in the last couple of months when McCain announced, "Today, we are all Georgians"?
I think Putin is taking a "wait and see" approach to the new USA President. Bush has certainly heated up the "Cold War" during his eight years in office. While there is not much reason to trust Putin, there's even less reason for Putin to trust the USA.
We can't forget the conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia and, more importantly, the sequence of events related to that conflict. I would encourage anyone who has forgotten that Georgia was the aggressor (with our help) to click on the link below.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/31/russia-georgia
Bush, "The Decider" still has time
to use them, to create even more havoc, wars, etc.
I'll feel much safer after Obama takes his oath of office (assuming he actually has the opportunity to do so).
O'Reilly, etc. are not "the regular news."
Try watching the morning news at 6 a.m. or during the day until 5-6 p.m. That's the news I'm talking about.
O'Reilly and the others are like Chris Matthews, Keith Oberman, and all those other fellas. They are more like a political talk shows. That's not news.
I meant I saw "the" post below - oops
Try getting out on the other side of the bed is right.
I was referring to the posts saying "Please do not feed the troll", and "Back under the bridge, Troll".
But guess you just like to plagarize what other people write.
John "the fundamentals of the economy
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John "The Economy is doing Well" McCain? nm
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Right. "The people" that he cares about so darn
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Intense public scrutiny?
Wed, 09/10/2008 - 16:38 — Anonymous (not verified)