sooo Hillary is pushing for this electronic
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not sure exactly what she means by that but that sounds scary for our profession. Anybody got the 411 on this?
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Van Os files suit against TX SoS re: electronic voting...see msg.
PRESS RELEASE
June 14, 2006
Democratic Attorney General nominee David Van Os joined with the NAACP, two Travis County voters, and the Texas Civil Rights Project today in filing a lawsuit in state district court seeking to block the use of electronic voting machines that do not produce paper receipts. Attorney Jim Harrington, Director of the Texas Civil Rights Project, represents Van Os and the other plaintiffs.
Democracy belongs to all the voters. When every voter cannot be sure that a machine recorded his or her vote the way he or she intended, democracy is not fulfilled. These paperless machines are a direct threat to Constitutional democracy. We must have paper ballots.
The lawsuit claims that the paperless machines violate the public's right to a secure election and the purity of the ballot box under the Texas Constitution.
More than half the states have enacted legislation that requires voting machines to print a paper ballot when the voter casts his or her vote. The voter reads his or her ballot to make sure it recorded the vote he or she intended and then casts both the electronic and paper ballots.
The paper ballot can be counted in the all too often case when electronic ballots vanish into thin air or when there is a discrepancy between the number of people who voted and the number of votes recorded. Having a paper trail also makes fraud less likely.
For further information contact David Van Os at (210) 332-7070.
Please report to ACORN headquarters for your electronic ankle bracelet.
And please turn in your hand grenades.
sooo...you WERE there, and you DO know?
If you will do search, there are a lot more snippets and sermons to be found on the internet. If you will read up on black liberation theology...which is the cornerstore of Trinity Church....if you really care that is, you will see what Obama is about. Wright thinks Louis Farrakhan is a great man. Know much about the Nation of Islam? About Farrakhan? Does Obama's associations with radical leftist socialist not bother you? Does the fact that he believes in redistribution of wealth (socialist to the point of being Marxist) not concern you in the least?
RON PAUL IS SOOO RIGHT!
This is why the powers that be behind the scenes made sure Ron Paul didn't get proper media coverage and couldn't get his message out there........too many agendas in governments around the world. We do need to keep our butts out of this......no matter what happens, the middle east will always and has always been fighting. Surely the U.S. doesn't think WE will be able to suddenly stop all that. All we are doing is making matters worse by taking sides at this point. If Israel feels the need to counter attack or invade the gaza strip, regardless, we need to stay out of it. Let them do what they need to do and we need to stay out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08gTWqWrI4M
That is SOOO cute!
Kinda like the one about the redneck that starved to death because he hid his food stamps under his work boots? Oh yeah, that's just WAAAY too funny!
LOL and sooo true!
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I am sooo sick of hearing...
that Obama will do things "because he's black." What kind of reasoning is this? Did we forget that he's just as much white as he is black? What makes him more black than he is white? Did anyone notice that he was raised in a white environment, with little contact with his father? Is he not a product of his environment? Calling this man black OR white discredits his heritage and does nothing but show the racism that is so obviously alive and well in the US!
Canning is sooo easy.
Just moved from a city with a population of around 4 millon to a suburb in Oregon. I live about 1 to 4 miles away from 6 farms and we have lots of Farmer Markets around. I pick all my produce and flowers from these farms during summer and fall months. I have learned how to can strawberries, peaches, blackberries, marionberries, raspberries, pears, plum jam, fig jam, tomatoes, pickles, and applesauce. Also have plenty of nuts.
I also have a huge pantry now stocked with paper products, canning good, potatoes, staple items. I tend to worry about inflation coming or even a depression.
I have been told I am a "horrible mean hoarder" on this board, but in reality, I love to help others. In fact, I am a member of the CERT and help out neighbors, family, and friends and my community, ESPECIALLY during a time like this when we know of special people and families who are hurting because of job layoffs. Our neighborhood has families with all kind of special skills and if we need to, ever down the road, we can all come together and what do you call it, bartering? We have mechanics, doctors, IT, nurses, financial, business owners, police officers, etc., and we all come together to help each other out.
Anyway, canning is very, very easy. Should try it. It is fun and I also have canning goods that I give away as Christmas gifts and people in my area and family and friends outside of the state of Oregon just LOVE these as gifts. It really saves money too all the way around.
I agree, sooo, then why is all the work
It is cheaper too.
Those doggone Israelis are just sooo touchy...
I mean they get angry just because Hamas randomly shoots missles into their cities  so I understand the outrage from the media.
I agree with this commentary
"This is really so completely ridiculous. For days the Muslim Hamas goons in Gaza launch rockets at Israeli civilians. The "Arab world" is quiet. Then Israel retaliates and the "Arab World' suddenly goes nutso. How long do we tolerate this asinine double standard?
Where was the Arab world when those rockets were being fired at innocent Israelis? Sitting on their butts and shutting the h@!! up, that's where .. and the same goes for much of the oh-so-enlightened European Union. Then Israel retaliates and the world is coming to and. Everybody tells Israel to be careful about causing civilian casualties. Do any of you remember "the world" telling Hamas to be careful about where they aim those rockets? Did "the world" warn Israelis about civilian casualties among the so-called "Palestinians?"
Hamas tells Israel that if they don't stop their assault then Hamas is going to resort to suicide bombings. Are you believing this? Hamas feels free to fire rockets indiscriminately into the Israeli civilian population. They're telling Israel that if it tries to stop them from playing with their rockets, they'll move on to suicide bombs. In other words ... the message is that Israel just has to endure the rocket attacks and do nothing in return. 
Israel is to be admired here. They have a civilian population to protect, and the h@!! with world opinion. When "the world" shows as much concern for innocent Israelis dying under Hamas rocket barrages as it does for Palestinians, then maybe Israel will listen.
BT, I am sooo with you, we also finally paid the mortgage, the cars are ours....sm
and no more credit, bad debts and loans killed the economy and Wall Street. Just providing for our 3 kids and making ends meet is the daily challenge, but we have each other and a good extended family, I so hope that the good thing that comes out of this crisis is LESS MATERIALISM in this country, back to simpler living and being happy with less!
sorry: ....a-r-e pushing....n/m
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I am not pushing my beliefs on you...
I am merely standing for what I believe in, just as you do. You seem defensive, and when people are defensive, that generally means they feel guilty. If you believe in a woman's right to choose to abort a child, that is your right, and you do not need me to endorse that. Just as I do not need you to endorse my feeling that life does begin at conception, I believe the soul begins at the same time. I do not believe a child growing in the womb is soul-less. We agree to disagree.
you are pushing secularism on me
every time I hear that there is no God and that abortion is not murder or should be legal or that we cannot pray in public or that the 10 commandants should be taken out of the government buildings, or God off of the money, I am getting secularism pushed onto me. So how is that different? Is that supposed to be okay to???? Where are my rights?
The only thing I'm pushing for
is the right to do with MY body what I see fit. I don't care what your religion is, where you pray, etc. I just simply don't think what I do with my body is YOUR decision.
At least now we know why he has been pushing so hard
Vote early and vote often.
JBB won't read anything.....too busy pushing
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At first I thought these people pushing the b/c issue
were just plain ole MTs with inquiring minds, however, wrong they might be. The poster above who said "put your money where your mouth is" finally got a light bulb to come on in my brain. These people have an agenda, whatevier it may be, but it is NOT the Constitution or they would have trampled Bush a long time ago. I doubt they are MTs. I believe they have an agenda that is way darker than the birth certificate issue and I am going to keep posting to their posts so that hopefully unsuspecting, well-meaning MTs might THINK and see them for what they are.
Public schools are NO place for pushing the
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They aren't pushing a "gay agenda"...(sm)
They're pushing TOLERANCE.....something you could obviously use a lessen in.
I agree. No one should be pushing their ideals in public schools.SM
Just the regular math, science, drama, choir, social studies works for me.
Parents are responsible for educating on religion, sex (though a little sex ed is not a bad thing), politics, etc.
Exactly...but Obama is still pushing his Global Poverty Bill.....
It is designed to send BILLIONS of our hard earned dollars to Africa and other 3rd world countries to cut poverty there by half.
How can he cut their poverty by half?? He should be worrying about OUR poverty. Which is a telling point in my mind. Why is Obama so bent on giving OUR money away? I don't know about you, but I don't need the govt' telling what to do or not do with my money. I earned it, I have the final decision.
What I find wrong is that he's pushing his own ego-driven agenda
regardless of what anyone thinks. I think this is called FALSE reassurance.
Well, quit pushing the liberal religion down our throat in government...
schools, and universities and we'll be happy to call a truce until then...we'll fight you on ideals.
I guess it is the idea that in the spirit of Christmas the NRA is pushing their agenda...sm
Is nothing sacred? And that goes beyond politics.
Santa with a gun. Right over baby Jesus. Insinuating that Muslims want to blow up Christianity. All in the name of being able to bear arms.
I can't name ONE act of terrorism in American history in the last 100 years that a citizen bearing arms would have saved ONE person from a terrorist.
A gun wouldn't have helped anyone in the trade center, can't take them on a plane so wouldn't have saved any of the passengers, Oklahoma bombing, nope a gunn wouldn't have helped those victims. Just another scare tactic, exploiting 9/11 to push their agenda that was here before waaaayyy before the fact.
One nation, under Stalin....right....you keep pushing that unity thing and we'll be completely
Keep trying to convince yourself.
It's Putin, and Chavez, and Castro that are so proud of us now.
That is, when they're not laughing at us behind our backs.
You are so naive.
Hillary
I've actually been thinking of voting for her if she runs. A year ago, I couldn't stand her. I don't know if she's changed or if I've changed, but what I mostly think it is, is that the further right the neocons go, the further toward center she seems to wind up.
As far as respect, let's see... She has the ability to articulately and intelligent form SENTENCES using the English language. That in and of itself is worthy of much more respect than what we've currently got.
She seems to have enormous strength without being a bully. I can't recall her telling the rest of the world to "Bring it on."
I'm somewhere between being a Democrat and Republican. I tend to vote for someone because of issues, not because of party affiliation. I've registered as an Independent because of that, and I'm glad I did because these days of Republicans and skyrocketing deficits, increasing intrusion of government into the personal lives of American citizens, etc. leaves me wondering just what Republican and Democrat means any more.
Republican seems to now mean a particular, narrow brand of Christianity (rather than a brand of politics), lying as a regular and customary part of doing business with the American people and the world, destroying the lives of people who disagree with them, completely stalling and bringing science to a screeching halt, forcing regime change on weaker countries through war, while showing weakness and backing down from true threats, such as North Korea.
And Democrats -- well, I just don't know any more what they stand for.
Again, as far as Hillary is concerned, she left a bad taste in my mouth when she seemed to put down stay-at-home moms with her comment about choosing her career over staying home and "having teas." I feel being a mother is probably the most important job there is, and I didn't appreciate that comment. However, recently she's looking a lot better to me.
I also would like to see more from Giuliani. I think he demonstrated excellent leadership during the 9/11 tragedy, and he seems to be more moderate when it comes to the personal lives of people.
My DREAM President would have been Colin Powell. I can't recall seeing such grace, dignity and intelligence in a politician. He also has firsthand combat experience in foreign lands and might not be so hasty to jeopardize soldiers' lives as someone who didn't have the guts to put his own life on the line yet seems to find the lives of our young people readily disposable for nation building, rather than defending America.
I truly don't think we can do any WORSE than what we have now. If we can just all hold our breath and tread lightly, we just might be able to survive the next three years, not because of this president but IN SPITE of him.
Hillary just might be someone who would actually put Americans' safety and America, in general, FIRST. Wouldn't that be a nice change? 
If it had been Hillary...
Personally, I don't care what Laura did when she was 17, even if she was driving drunk. But, republicans are relentless and we can't let this go without mentioning the certain media frenzy if this had been Hillary who killed her first fiance.
If it had been Hillary:
Barbara Olson would have a best seller on it.
Ann Coulter would have a best seller on it.
Peggy Noonan would have a best seller on it.
Laura Ingraham would have a best seller on it.
Laura Schlessinger would have a best seller on it.
David Limbaugh would have a best seller on it.
Christopher Hitchens would have a best seller on it.
Dick Morris would have a best seller on it.
Bob Woodward would have a best seller on it.
Christopher Ruddy would have a best seller on it.
Ben Stein would have a best seller on it.
Gail Sheehy would have a best seller on it
Neal Boortz would have a best seller on it.
David P. Schippers would have a best seller on it.
David Maraniss would have a best seller on it.
Mike Barnacle would claim he was in the car with Hillary.
Joe Klein would write a best seller on it, but swear he didn't
Judas Stephanopolous Maximus would have a best seller on it.
Joe Eszterhas would fabricate quotes from Hillary's vagina.
Michael Isikoff would swear the conversation was "off the record"
but then turn around and print every word (plus some he made up.)
Kenneth Starr would write an impeachment referral over it.
Susan McDougal would still have to do time in prison,
and Julie Hiatt Steele would still lose her house.
The vulgar Pigboy would pound on her 15 hours a week until 2009.
O'Reilly would pound on Hillary for months and years.
Hannity would pound on Hillary for months and years.
(and Colmes would remain silent while he did...)
Paula Zahn would pound on Hillary for months and years.
Brit Hume would have weekly "Special reports" called "Accident? You Decide!"
Juan Willaims and Mara Liason would agree Hillary belongs in prison.
CNN would create a spin off network to cover it 24/7.
Tim would mention it every Sunday until he died.
Chris would pound on Hillary for months and years,
but no guest would ever get to answer any questions about it.
Cokie Roberts would mention it every week, then giggle.
Henry Hyde would scream, "The flag is falling."
Richard Mellon Scaife would pay David Brock $80,000 to talk to the cops who were paid $80,000 to say "We thought we smelled liquor, but everyone in Arkansas knows there'd be hell to pay if we wrote this up as a drunk driving accident."
The American Spectator would then run a front page story on it, and somehow Paula Jones would run into the spotlight screaming, "Hillary was trying to kill me - and missed," then the
mainstream media would've made Paula a star on this story instead of the other one.
Then every night, Larry King and his "panel of experts" would search for the connection between Hillary's accident and Clinton's penis - as he always does.
...but since it was Bush's wife, Karl Rove gave orders not to bring it up. 
Better keep an eye on Hillary as well...
Ironically, Hillary – who is evidently now opposed to military action – said in February that "no option can be taken off the table" when dealing with Iran.
"U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal,” she told a crowd of Israel supporters. “We cannot, we should not, we must not permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. In dealing with this threat ... no option can be taken off the table."
Either she has flip-flopped or she was pandering to the pro-Israel crowd to get their votes. Which was it I wonder?
Hillary
I do not think Obama has enough experience to be president. Two years in the senate, spent his third year on the campaign trail, not enough experience for me. Also do not believe he sat in a church for 20 years and never heard the preacher say the things we heard on the TV. He also talks but never explains how he will do things. Not sure about the black issue. Would have voted for Colin Powell if he had run back sometime ago. Some people will never vote for a black person, just like some men would rather vote for a turnip rather than vote for a female. It is a man thing.
Hillary
I am not happy with any of the candidates. That being said, I do think Hillary should be in the White House. I detested her at first but compared to Obama (all smoke and mirrors, no substance) and McCain (Mr. Ego personified) I believe she truly does love this country. I also feel when another terrorist attack occurs on us, and I feel it will, she will be a good person in office to deal with this. Obama would be a disaster with his inexperience.
Anyone else getting fed up with Hillary?
I used to have a lot respect for Hillary, and while I favored Obama for the nomination I was fine with her being the nominee instead. Now she is on this "crusade" to make the votes of MI and FL count as they are, in her favor of course. Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that if those states had favored Obama that she wouldn't be down there pushing hard for the votes to count? She keeps trying to spin this as not changing the rules or not about her, but it's about the voters being heard! Funny how she didn't have any complaints when the ruling was first made that their votes wouldn't count. She insults everyone's intelligence with her arguments and I am just fed up with her.
Hillary
Love Hillary. Hope she gets VEEP!
And so she should be. I am not a Hillary fan...
but they messed her over big time. To quote reverend wright...the chickens have come home to roost!
Hillary did it too....sm
Seems to me I read about people from Mass or NY being bused in and out of the NH or VT democrat primary....to vote for Hillary, or so I heard.
Gee, that story got buried real quick, as I recall.
Not a big Hillary fan but it looks like...
she really got a major hatchet job sent her way....
http://www.lynettelong.com/my_weblog/2008/07/are-superdelega.html#more
No wonder a bunch of Hillary supporters are ... shall we say...angry?
Hillary C
Campaigning in Lansing, MI for Obama Sat morning.
While I am not a Hillary fan -
http://www.democrats-against-obama.org/sept2008.html
Ha ha! I wonder if Hillary sent Roberts a thank you
All she has to do is point out that Republicans want to go backwards in time, want women barefoot, pregnant and inferior to men. This is probably the best thing to happen to a Democratic campaign n a long time! Gotta love it!
Seems no one wants a piece of Hillary :)
GOP Challenger to Sen. Clinton Quits Race
By Chris Cillizza Special to The Washington Post
Thursday, December 22, 2005; Page A05
Westchester County District Attorney Jeanine Pirro (R) ended her campaign against New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Wednesday, bringing to a close a brief and decidedly rocky attempt to unseat perhaps the country's most famous Democratic officeholder.
Even as she announced she would shutter her campaign against Clinton, Pirro jumped into the state attorney general's contest. A recent independent poll showed her trailing the two Democrats seeking that office.
In a statement released by her campaign, Pirro said her law enforcement background better qualifies me for a race for New York State Attorney General than a race for the United States Senate.
Pirro's exit leaves the Republicans adrift for now, with only two obscure candidates vying for the nomination: former Yonkers mayor John Spencer and tax lawyer William Brenner.
From the start of Pirro's Senate campaign in mid-August, she was beset by questions about her fundraising ability and readiness for such a high-profile contest.
Pirro is the second Republican to drop a bid against Clinton, who is seeking a second Senate term next November. New York City lawyer Ed Cox, the son-in-law of President Richard M. Nixon, left the contest Oct. 16 when New York Gov. George E. Pataki (R) announced his support for Pirro.
We know at some point the Republicans will sort out this process and choose a nominee, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said.
Cillizza is a washingtonpost.com staff writer.
I feel the very same way about Hillary.
I remember several years ago hearing some pundits speculate about political royalty and how the Bushes and Clintons would be basically the only *families* in the White House from here on out.
Given Bill's sudden closeness to and *adoption* by Bush, Sr. and Hillary's refusal to take a stand, as you said, it kind of makes me wonder if maybe they didn't hit the nail on the head.
She's been listening to Hillary too much. :) nm
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Hillary on immigration...
not sure why you are asking me; I didn't post anything about Bush and immigration...I don't happen to agree with him on that. Apparently Hillary does though...see article:
WASHINGTON --Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a potential White House candidate in 2008, said Wednesday some Republicans are trying to create a "police state" to round up illegal immigrants.
Alerts Clinton, D-N.Y., spoke out on the U.S. immigration policy after largely staying away from an issue that has roiled Congress in recent months and spurred a number of conflicting proposals.
Speaking at a rally of Irish immigrants, Clinton criticized a bill the House passed in December that would impose harsher penalties for undocumented workers.
"Don't turn your backs on what made this country great," she said, calling the measure "a rebuke to what America stands for."
The House measure would make unlawful presence in the United States, which is currently a civil offense, a felony.
Clinton said it would be "an unworkable scheme to try to deport 11 million people, which you have to have a police state to try to do."
That sounds to me like she is supporting amnesty from the back door saying that it would not be possible to round them all up.
You will also notice that the Republican congress wants to make it a felony to be here illegally...good for them. Hillary does not agree, and neither does Bush. As I stated...I do not agree with Bush on this issue.
Hillary is wonderful
Hillary is wonderful so is every other democrat running..ANYONE is better than the tired old men running as republicans. I would vote for my dog before I would vote for a republican. We need four years of peace and prosperity and building our reputation in the world and healing this country and fixing all the destructive things this administration has done here and abroad. Hillary, when she worked as a lawyer, was one of the top five lawyers in America. Her IQ is higher than Bill and that has to be quite high as Bill is quite an intelligent man. Contrast that to the person in the WH now. I think his IQ must be around 75 to 90.
Hillary Exposed? Not quite....
I took the time to watch the trailer of Peter Paul's Hillary Exposed trailer again this morning, took a few notes, and did a little internet research. It is my conclusion that this is mostly fabrication with a stab at Hillary because he is angry that his investment/ideas didn't go as he had planned.
The 2000 Hollywood Gala was a farewell for Bill to garner his favor in supporting him on a business venture, with the added benefit as a fundraiser for Hillary. Paul also gave fundraisers for others. For whatever reason, this didn't go as he had planned. Paul specifically stated that he only gave the fundraiser for Hillary to get to Bill. There is no evidence suggesting that Clinton told Levin to seduce Oto to oust Paul to destroy him and SLM.
The phone call to SLM from Hillary says nothing other than that she is pleased with what they are doing for her and thanking them. I do not believe that she helped plan the gala whatsoever nor knew the full details.
Is being a fundraiser the same as campaign contributor? If you are shelling out money for the affair, is that considered a campaign contribution? I didn't have time to dig into that this morning.
As David Rosen was Hillary's finance director, if he falsified documents, whether on his own or told by someone else to do it, he is the one culpable.
Digging into Peter F. Paul's past doesn't lend much to his credibility. I am loath to believe anything from such a person. I think he is just trying to save his own butt and trying to get back at Bill through Hillary. His stint in Brazil and being put in jail was of his own doing.
In essence, there is just not much substance here when you start digging. This is the first of many attacks that are just beginning for Hillary as well as the other presidential candidates and should not be taken at face value.
Should Hillary step down?
I've heard people say she should step down before things get worse within the party. That it would be the best for the Democrat party.
Thoughts, opinions, comments?
Is Hillary for real?
Talk about being out of touch with Americans. She cannot relate to what we go through at all. She came from a weathly family yet she portrays in her ads that she is like everyone else. Then on top of that seems like every state she campaigns in she says she is from. So I'm confused...Is she from Arkansas, New York, Pennsylvania, now Indiana? Give me a break! She's so full of it. She came from a wealthy family, married a wealthy guy and she's never had to worry where the money for her food is coming from. She's never had to pump her own gas (by her own admission). This is all a "photo stunt" into making people think she's out there pumping gas and dealing with the problems and issues we are facing. She didn't even know what a gallon of gas cost before just a couple days ago. I'm sure she also doesn't know what a gallon of milk or loaf of bread cost. And her gas stimulus or whatever it is she's trying to pass off as some great program. Basically it boils down to you will get one free fill up for your vehicle for the day. Right - like that's going to solve the problems. The sooner that hag loses the better for America (also the better for my blood pressure to finally resume its normalcy).
Poor Hillary
So Bill is now coming out saying people are picking on Hillary.
Oh the poor baby. Wasn't she the one who said "If you can't stand the heat....."
Whether I like her or not is besides the point. This is an election and Bill & Hillary need to realize if you want to win you have to work towards it. It's not going to be handed to you.
Yes, I realize she is working hard, but so is Barack Obama. Do you hear him crying when she makes a racial statement about him about how nobody "white" is going to vote for him?
Grow up Bill & Hillary!
Hillary concedes!!!
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He should pick Hillary
They are two peas in a pod. It was evidenced by his speech tonight he thinks she such a great person. I could just feel the love he has for her. Seriously...they voted alike on almost everything. I think his speach tonight was more of him trying to pull her votes away from Barack to vote for him.
Yeah, Hillary,
thanks for finally conceding after a 15-month battle. So now she's hoping for VP or for help with her campaign expenses? Is that what I heard?
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