Because I pointed out the TRUTH, that...
Posted By: Marmann on 2009-04-18
In Reply to: What you just said is basically racist. - -but you dont even recognize it, do you?nm
...the majority of African-Americans voted for Obama? That "majority" was actually 97%. http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/politics/2008/November/Obama-Victory-Sealed-by-Minorities--Women.html
Because I pointed out that the largely hyped "tea parties," estimated to bring in millions of people, only actually brought in a couple hundred thousand? Because I pointed out that these tea parties don't have much to offer Democrats (including African-Americans, other than the resurgence of hate groups like the KKK, skinheads, etc.)? Or because I pointed out that Michael Steele was rejected by his OWN PARTY to speak at the Chicago tea party?
I did provide corroborative links for each statement I made, unlike some on this board who just throw out names, invent fiction and pretend it's true.
I wasn't being racist. If anything, I was being "classist" because I was referring to an entire class of people, including white people, as well, that has been hurt over the last eight years by corporate welfare. In case nobody has noticed, under the Bush administration, the middle class almost became extinct, so our society now mostly consists of rich and poor, regardless of race.
Please tell me SPECIFICALLY what was racist in my post, and then we can have a discussion. Of course, if a discussion really isn't within your realm of interest, then, please, by all means, just continue the juvenile name calling.
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you pointed something out...
We *MUST* have auto insurance or we are prohibited from driving our cars.
We *MUST* have homeowners insurance on our homes or we are disallowed having a mortgage.
*BUT* it's fine for an American citizen to go without insurance, even forced to go without when it's impossible to afford, yet we are still "citizens" of America and are forced to pay taxes...
...hmmmmmm....
They were also pointed out....(sm)
by other citizens as the US was offering rewards for ANYONE. Think about what kind of incentive that is to someone in that region with no money who's trying to feed their family.
As has been pointed out before,
having a 135 IQ, and obviously thinks it's pretty special. The rest of us realize that it is no more worthy of praise than the eye color or height we happen to have inherited. Much better to take credit for something we have actually accomplished, rather than what's in our DNA.
Most of us were IQ tested somewhere back in our school years, and yet do not have the score printed on our business cards. How many actually feel it necessary to share that number at the drop of a hat? Me neither.
I will do so when you do so. You pointed a barb at me....
"sometimes I think..." and when I fed it back to you, you complain. YOU stick to the issues and keep the barbs out, and I will do the same. If you dish it out, be prepared to take it.
Have a nice day, now. :)
there should be FINGERS POINTED
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Like Kendra pointed out............sm
it is foolish to enlist in the military and think you won't be sent into war. They are full aware of this when they enlist. That is like taking a job as a baker and thinking that, at some point, you won't burn your hand on the hot stove.
Yes and it must be pointed out that McCain
McCain's speech, while gracious, was given to a smallish "invite only" crowd, made of up largely white people, mostly white males. Obama had half a million people from all walks of life. That speaks volumes.
I did not see the *real* America represented in the crowd of McCain's supporters... that is NOT the same thing as saying those people are not real Americans - only that HIS crowd did not reflect the truth about our diverse American citizenry.
Because, as has been pointed out, several times here....
he is still in charge. Obama isn't even in the White House yet, but you seem to think it's fine and dandy to talk about him. I can see Russia from my house, also.
Sarah was pointed out....(sm)
because a) it was funny; b) she is a female; and c) she herself just got a raise (by a committee she formed for just that purpose) just since the election while Alaska is taking a big hit financially because the price of oil went down.
As I pointed out before...that fellow is not entirely honest either...
and Bush did not lie. While the bill does not explicitly state it will cover families to $83,000, it opens a loophole that will allow New York to again ask for the $82,600 raise and under the new bill would probably get it, because the stipulation preventing it was being removed. So basically what Bush said is true...he should have worded it differently.
Here are some things that were not brought forward that are also bad things about the bill:
Bush had good reason to veto SCHIP
By Grace-Marie Turner
Article Launched: 10/14/2007 01:33:38 AM PDT
Is President Bush a liar who hates children? That's what many of his critics now are asking in the opinion pages of major newspapers across the country. Why else, they say, would he refuse to sign a bill providing health insurance to poor kids?
Specifically, the president has vetoed a bill expanding the State Children's Health Insurance Program designed to provide health coverage to lower-income children. One nationally syndicated columnist went so far as to call Bush's rationale in vetoing the bill a "pack of flat-out lies."
This kind of rhetoric is wrong and misleads readers about the facts of this important issue.
There is no debate over whether to reauthorize the SCHIP program so it can continue to provide insurance to needy children. That's a given. The debate is about whether children in middle-income families should be added.
The president is absolutely right in insisting that SCHIP focus on its core mission of needy children. When SCHIP was created in 1997, the target population was children whose parents earned too much for them to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to afford private insurance. The president wants the program to focus on children whose families earn less than 200 percent of the federal poverty level. In today's dollars, that's $41,300 a year.
About two-thirds of the nation's uninsured children already are eligible for either Medicaid or SCHIP, but aren't enrolled. Raising the income threshold won't solve this core problem. Congress should require states to focus on the 689,000 children whom the Urban Institute says are uninsured and would be eligible for SCHIP if eligibility were limited to the $41,300 income level.
The other big problem is that, across the country, states are using SCHIP dollars to insure adults.
Fourteen states cover adults through SCHIP, and at least six of them are spending more of their SCHIP dollars on adults than on children. For example, 78 percent of SCHIP enrollees in Minnesota are adults, 79 percent in New Mexico, and 72 percent in Michigan.
With these statistics in mind, the Bush administration issued a ruling in August requiring states to demonstrate that they had enrolled 95 percent of eligible needy children before expanding the program.
Yet the bill that Congress passed, and which the president vetoed, nullifies that ruling and effectively refuses to agree that needy kids should get first preference. Instead, the congressional measure would give $60 billion to the states over five years to enroll millions more "children" - although many of them will, in fact, be adults. Others will be from higher-income families.
New York, for instance, could submit a plan that would add children in families earning up to $83,000 a year to SCHIP. New Jersey could continue to cover kids whose parents make up to $72,000. All the other states would be allowed to cover kids in families with incomes up to $61,000.
Most children in these higher income families are already covered by private insurance. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 77 percent of children in families earning more than twice the poverty line have private health insurance now.
No one doubts that SCHIP is a vitally important program for needy children, and that our nation needs to do a better job of helping working families afford health insurance. But giving the states incentives to add middle-income kids to their SCHIP rolls will prompt families to replace private insurance with taxpayer-provided coverage.
This is completely backward. The goal of SCHIP should be to provide private coverage to uninsured children. If Congress would send the president a bill that does that, he says he would sign it in a minute.
And when things are pointed out, people are bashed.
What's the use? Anyone who doesn't believe the O will do what he states is bashed. It was a joke (maybe), but jeez. Get a life.
The truth sounds rude when put bluntly but still is the truth. nm
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Liberal truth vs. Conservative truth.
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The truth, the whole truth and nothing but...It's probably the biggest...sm
reason why I am voting democrat...they seem more honest than the the republicans and it looks like people are starting to get smart and *bailin' Palin*... We don't need to keep hearing her *greatest hits" version of her acceptance speech over and over and McSame's POW story...that was then, this is now...we need REAL change and we need it NOW. I don't need someone to push the red button, I need someone to fix the economy!
Truth? The truth is she is nuts!
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Truth
give me a freaking break, okay? The truth needs to be posted over and over and over again.
the truth
So true and so well put.
You could not be further from the truth. NM
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Now, now, now... let's tell the TRUTH, which is NOT:
His first guest on his first show was Madalyn O'Hair (very appropo, since he is himself an atheist).
History IS important. Check yours.
Phil Donahue is a Catholic.
Where's the truth in the above?
It's just your fantasy of wanting Bush to get caught getting a B.J....and quoting Marey Carey, a former porn star. Any credibility you had you just flew out the window.
The truth is that no one really knows the truth about 911.sm
I think their secrecy surrounding the matter is creating oddball theories. I do not know if I would call them a subculture, but I know the 911 truth movement is quite large (millions). This will even be used as a political platform for a few running for office. One that comes to mind is Robert Bowman running for Congress.
Truth.
If you believe –
That the Bible is the inspired Word of God
That Jehovah God is a God of integrity and it is impossible for Him to break covenant because of His character,
That Jesus Christ is our example, and we are to follow Him,
Then there is no Biblical alternative to supporting Israel and the Jewish people.
Are you all nonbelievers here?
We already know the truth. nm
nm.
The truth (as you see it)...sm
Quotes from Mizz Coulter:
Freedom of Speech
* They're [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment.
o University of Florida speech; October 20, 2005.
Immigration
* I'd build a wall. In fact, I'd hire illegal immigrants to build the wall. And throw out the illegals who are here. [...] It's cheap labor.
o Fox News; The O'Reilly Factor; Transcript via Media Matters; April 14, 2006.
o On illegal immigration
Liberals
* VESTER: You say you’d rather not talk to liberals at all? COULTER: I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days.
o (FOX News Channel, DaySide with Linda Vester, 10/6
New York Times
* My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.
o New York Observer article; August 26, 2002.
* Of course I regret it. I should have added 'after everyone had left the building except the editors and the reporters.'
o rightwingnews.com; June 26, 2003.
o On her (above) statement concerning Timothy McVeigh
* [Learning difficulties are a cover for] rich parents with dumb kids...That's why 'Pinch' Sulzberger, the publisher of The New York Times, is alleged to have dyslexia - because he's retarded.
o The Independent; August 16, 2004.
o Arthur O. Sulzberger, Jr., publisher of New York Times
Stevens, Justice John Paul
* We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens's creme brulee. That's just a joke, for you in the media.
o Philander Smith College January 26, 2006 [6]
Women
* I think [women] should be armed but should not vote...women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it...it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care.
o Comedy Central; Politically Incorrect; February 26, 2001.
* It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted.
o [8]; May 17, 2003.
* I think the other point that no one is making about the [Abu Ghraib] abuse photos is just the disproportionate number of women involved, including a girl general running the entire operation. I mean, this is lesson, you know, number 1,000,047 on why women shouldn't be in the military. In addition to not being able to carry even a medium-sized backpack, women are too vicious.
o Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; May 5, 2004.
Voting
* I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote.
o Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; August 17, 1997.
Liberals hate religion because politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition.
* Slander (2002) ISBN 1400046610, p. 194
Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now.
* Slander (2002) ISBN 1400046610, p. 5-6
I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo.
* Her column; December 21, 2005
* Governmental responsibility
* We were terrified that Jones would settle. It was contrary to our purpose of bringing down the president.
o Uncovering Clinton: A Reporter’s Story (1998), pg. 183.
o Paula Jones
* If those kids had been carrying guns they would have gunned down this one [teenage] gunman. ... Don't pray. Learn to use guns.
o Politically Incorrect; December 18, 1997.
o Heath High School shooting (where a gunman killed 3 students at a prayer meeting at the school). When she said Don't pray, Coulter may have been asked whether she approved of praying in school.
* [A] cruise missile is more important than Head Start.
o From a speech, November 2001, rebroadcast by C-Span in January, 2002.
o Education spending vs. defense spending
The list goes on:
These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband's deaths so much. -on 9/11 widows who have been critical of the Bush administration
We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee. That's just a joke, for you in the media.
Liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole.
There are a lot of bad republicans; there are no good democrats.
We need to execute people like (John Walker Lindh) in order to physically intimidate liberals.
Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.
Liberals are stalwart defenders of civil liberties -- provided we're only talking about criminals.
We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.
Press passes can't be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the President.
The swing voters -- I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don't have set philosophical principles. You're either a liberal or you're a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster.
How about this truth.
All life is sacred or no life is sacred, no exceptions.
Once again, not really the truth
I'm starting to get irked. What is with all the manipulation of the truth? Why can't you guys stick with fact? Nixon denied what he had done, LIED blatantly for a long time until there was so much evidence against him that he FINALLY had to come clean. Yes, much like Clinton. I don't need to change historical facts to fit my own agenda like you do, e.g., also the Summerby comment.
Your claims are ridiculous and I don't know why you are making them. You seem too intelligent for such complete hogwash. Really.
I don't know why to tell you the truth....
...and I don't think it is a "Republican" site per se. It is definitely a conservative-leaning site. I am not a registered Republican except in primary years. I do not owe my alliegance nor vote to any political party. But I admit, the further left the Democratic party goes, the less likely I will ever vote democratic again. I have in the past. But it is doubtful that I ever will again. But...I digress.
I hear you about the complete bashing and name calling. And yes, you can make your points, counter the points of others, without bashing and name calling. I get angry too, and i think some of the things I see posted here at me...lol. But I get up, walk away, bite my lip, and then try to post after that initial wave of &(A(& passes...lol
Have a good night, kiki :)
Why not tell the truth for once?
You introduce an issue, someone does not agree with you, and then the attacks start. Eight, nine, ten bashing posts to my one. Now who does that seem like is monopolizing the board. THis is not a dem board. It is a political board. You do not tolerate any dissenting opinions. You should really try to actually be democratic...that is your party name after all.
Ain't that the truth!! nm
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Actually he DID tell the truth once...
when he said the big O was not ready to be President as it did not lend itself to on-the-job experience. He hit that nail square on the head.
Here is your truth. sm
Guess Olbermann is wrong about date - JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#26798219
not sure how much truth there is to this
i've heard it's not over.. hill may still run with obama
Not quite all the truth ...
Palin didn't kill the bridge to nowhere. She supported it and then, when CONGRESS said NO to it, she still took the money. Just a wolf in sheep's clothing there.
Probably a lot easier to have an 89% to 93% approval rating when you hardly have any residents to please!! LOL
McCain's cheating is just that: Cheating. It's not something you do - it's what you are -- a cheater. Even psychiatrists and psychologists will tell you that a person who cheats once is all the more likely to repeat that behavior. Cheating comes in all forms.
So, now if you're gonna forgive McCain's past badddd behavior, you must forgive Obama's past uglies, too.
If you want to hail Palin as some kind of maverick or new breed, make sure you give appropriate kudos to the other side who are doing things in a new light, too.
Oh, and by her a thesaurus. She needs to learn a little new lingo. Tired of every conversation out of her mouth being about the bridge to nowhere (which she supported and then took the money on) and being a maverick (hmmm, wasn't the Wild West full of mavericks who behaved badly and got away with it?) and putting that jet on ebay (which did not sell - someone else had to sell it and it came at a $600K loss in value - a loss to taxpayers) and all the same things in her first speech at the convention. Not a new word since. Not a new original thought since. Bush speechwriters writing for her. LOL
You sure you want to see the truth.....
And, you can't say it was all made up lies. The poor kid standing there pointing out the facts with his own mouth. How sad you think ACORN is such a great group. Look who they take advantage of. Probably the same ones they claim to want to help better themselves. Now, watch carefully....
http://www.newsnet5.com/politics/17703748/detail.html
Thanks for some more truth about
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Well, to tell the truth
I'm not sure if it is the left or the right driving this b/c thing into the ground. I thought it was the right. I know I'm sick of hearing the same ole same ole over and over and over. It has gotten to the point that it just makes me angry. There may be a few exceptions but I think maybe regular posters find nothing new to discuss so they may just go away. One poster swore that he/she would keep bringing the b/c issue to the top and by golly, he/she has done so. I have noticed that when a new topic is introduced there is no one who seems interested in discussing anything not connected with the b/c so that leads me to the above conclusion. If there happened to be some new information regarding the b/c or lack thereof, I would certainly be interested in reading it but there is not a shred of proof that the b/c is not legitimate and having examined it on the internet, which is about as close as any of us are going to get, the issue is resolved to my satsfaction. I just wonder when the group flogging this dead horse will ever give it up and move on. I enjoy debating issues with fellow MTs but not issues that have already been proven to be nonissues. I doubt the SC will hear the case brought by that ignoramus lawyer. If they do they are dumber than him.
What is it the b/c people want anyway? Do they think Hillary could just be declared the winner after all? Do they think McCain should be declared the winner? Do they want Bush to stay in office? With this country in such a mess, exactly what is it these people want to have happen? Someone has to be president, if not Obama, then who? I might give the whole thing a little more credibility if someone would take the time to explain to me exactly what it is they want to accomplish.....and PLEASE don't insult my intelligence by coming back with "he's not a citizen."
truth
Gourdpainter: As my father always told us when we were kids - "there are four sides of the truth - your side, the other person's side; and the side no one is telling but most important of all - God's truth, and when you figure out which truth to tell that is right, then you can come and talk to me.."
Just truth
The truth hurts, and anybody who can follow Obama after reading all of the facts checked on him, which are not in his favor and are abundant, really needs to ask themselves why. Obama is making promises he can't keep. Sometimes "change" isn't better. Obama supporters are looking at dollar signs, not using common sense. Come on now! As I said before, I used to follow Obama. I truly wish you would take ALL the facts and really ask yourself why you are voting for this man. Regardless of all the untruths being found about him, he's not experienced enough. Nobody is trying to scare anybody--it is just insanity to me that anybody could follow Obama. Don't get me wrong--I was almost swayed by his "charm," too. Really think about what you're doing here when you check his name on election day. Now look at McCain's strong character, his experience, his moral values (which are in line with our Creator), his patriotism. He puts our country first, isn't making candy promises, is realistic. Like McCain said "You're voting for a President, not a rock star."
You are right and that is truth.nm
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to tell you the truth, I do not know...
I wasn't attacking you, by the way, I just don't think that a lot of people realize that there has already been a proposition about this that passed in California before. I actually think that it is wonderful if it sticks. When I lived in California, I would be so upset to pass many propositions, only to have them overturned. It seems a little against the system.
no one really knows the truth
The man is not yet in office. No one will know the truth of this until he is in office and actually does something. So give it a rest already everybody. Wait and see what he does before you jump on what "might" happen. If you don't like what happens -when it happens - that is the time to take some action. but all of this speculation is just that-speculation.
Aha! Now the truth comes out.
See my post below.
truth will out
a stitch in time
The truth is that...
You wouldn't know the truth if Hamas shot a rocket full of it and it landed in your living room. The correct information is available to anyone open-minded enough to get it. But some people, IMHO, would rather cling to bitter self-serving rhetoric.
Why are you so suprised that someone would have formed an opinion about you from your previous posts? I don't take anything you say to heart. Why do you care?
yep, saw that......which is exactly the truth
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Ain't it the truth?
and what a spectacle they are.
The truth? (sm)
The truth is that most children that are born into this circumstance have miserable lives from either living as an orphan, poor, or even homeless. The funny thing about this is that these are the same people that YOU do not want to give a tax break to. These are the same people that would benefit from some of the proposals in the stimulus package.
So, the truth of it is that you only want people to have these kids so you can feel better about yourself morally, with no thought whatsoever about the people who are actually in that situation.
Ain't that the truth! LOL
How quickly they forget.
...the Truth Comes Out
I realize you are not accustomed to hearing the truth but for at least the next 8 years you better get used to it.
You're right this IS getting good!!
Oh please, it's the truth....
no one, especially with 2 incomes, should have to put off buying even a 98 cent bottle of Suave shampoo. Unless, of course, your taste runs to the high end stuff, then you too would be so-called "snooty". Nothing snooty about my post; we also live with a budget and manage quite nicely, still eat out (I'm not talking fast food or buffets, ugh), still take vacations, go to movies, shop, etc. Believe it or not, not everyone is in a dire situation financially; we are not rich by any means but we don't scrimp here or there either. Please also define "snooty" for me, in your terms if you can.
SG DID say the truth... (sm)
...and said it in a very charming way: It's in the eye of the beholder.
How Michelle Obama looks is an opinion, not a fact or "truth."
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