But the fact remains...she has more executive experience than your #1 guy.
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-01
In Reply to: i was stunned - BDAyes
That is indisputable. In fact, more than her running mate and your #2. To say she is inexperienced only shines the same light on Barack Obama. That is not a slam, it is a fact.
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Fact remains, she has made executive decisions for a year and a half...
as governor, and before that as a mayor. He has made none. Zero, zilch, nada. The only time she will "legislate" is if she has to vote to break a tie Not hardly the same thing as running a state...or a country.
She's the only one of the four with executive experience
Obama has little experience even as a legislator, but you believe this smart woman with executive leadership experience is less qualified to be president should it come to that? No, I don't think so.
She already has more executive experience than your guy...
and he is 1st chair. All those negatives you posted are positives for a lot of people. THe state ethics committee investigation is not over yet, and frankly, a state trooper who tasers an 11-year-old (oh he asked me to) SHOULD be fired in my humble opinion. And a state trooper who threatens the life of his estranged wife and her parents should not be wearing the uniform of a state trooper. But that is just me, I guess.
I am sure the people of Alaska are thrilled to hear that the Democrat supporters of Obama are marginalizing them into nothing because they have smaller population than Austin, Texas.
All this kind of post does is show how petty, vindictive and mean people can get when their backs are up against the wall and they think they might lose.
The DNC should have thought about all this before they took on the Clintons. Howard Dean messed up big time.
Executive experience is a big zero
You showed up late today so rather than repeating everything that has already been said on this imponent executive experience media mantra thing, please catch up on your reading. Also, the issue of her not running has been exercised in light of the very real possibility that she would be positioned to take over sooner rather than later. Besides, the Bimbos Unite! cult sure seems to think she is running for president. You will notice just how absent McCain has been from the spotlight since yesterday morning. The notion that our party is somehow fractured or not strongly unified is more of your delusional thinking. McCain took care of that when he decided to insult most of thinking women in this country by selecting a token female he met once to save his sinking ship. Strategy is lame, transparent and has actually created an angry backlash from Hillary supporters and women in general that will make Hurricane Gustav look like a a flushing toilet. You got no idea what you are talking about when you try to analyze the democratic party but please do us all a favor and continue to feed your delusions. theonly thing that's going to come back and bite bigtime is what's-her-name calling Hillary a whiner and McCain calling US economic refugees whiners. We do agree on one thing here. Sweeeeet!
You must have EXECUTIVE experience
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Obama's take on his own executive experience...
Obama: Running campaign counts as executive experience
Tuesday September 2, 2008
Talk about resume padding! He compares his experience running a campaign (which, btw should come as a surprise to his campaign manager) with her experience as mayor and totally ignores her experience as governor and Cooper lets him get away with it.
COOPER: And, Senator Obama, my final question -- your -- some of your Republican critics have said you don't have the experience to handle a situation like this. They in fact have said that Governor Palin has more executive experience, as mayor of a small town and as governor of a big state of Alaska.
What's your response?
OBAMA: Well, you know, my understanding is, is that Governor Palin's town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We have got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year.
You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month.
So, I think that our ability to manage large systems and to execute, I think, has been made clear over the last couple of years. And, certainly, in terms of the legislation that I passed just dealing with this issue post-Katrina of how we handle emergency management, the fact that many of my recommendations were adopted and are being put in place as we speak, I think, indicates the degree to which we can provide the kinds of support and good service that the American people expect.
Maybe he should practice this response a little more before he plants it with another reporter.
BTW, Hot Air has the unedited transcript if you are interested in how he really sounded when he answered the question. He is quite liberal in his use of "uh." For someone with a reputation of being articulate, he sure uses a lot of them.
Update: Here's the McCain campaign's response:
"For Barack Obama to argue that he's experienced enough to be president because he's running for president is desperate circular logic and it's laughable. It is a testament to Barack Obama's inexperience and failing qualifications that he would stoop to passing off his candidacy as comparable to Governor Sarah Palin's executive experience managing a budget of over 10 billion dollar dollars, and more than 24,000 employees." --Tucker Bounds, spokesman John McCain 2008
McCain has no EXECUTIVE experience
"I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war. And he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility," said Clark,
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/index.html
She does have more executive experience than McCain has...
McCain has no executive experience. None of them but Palin do. McCain does have more experience in the Senate and with foreign affairs, the military, et al, than Obama has. Much more. Those are the two running against each other. Joe Biden also has more experience than Obama has. Obama has the least experience of the 4. Obama has been a state senator and has spent most of his US senate career running for President. He is the least experienced of the 4, and he will be in the chair day 1. I don't feel real good about that possibility, especially in the war on terror. I really don't think he gets it. Talking to O'reilly about radical islam he kept saying something about factions, and you have to figure out what faction you are dealing with...that is talking like a senator. Have a committee and discuss it for 6 months. We can't afford that, in my opinion. I agree with Biden, and I don't mean to make fun, I'm serious...he is not ready for the job, IMO. That is one reason I am not voting for Obama.
Very funny. NOT! Executive experience!
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She has more executive experience than the #1 candidate on the other ticket...
she is, in fact, the only one of the 4 who has executive experience. SHE is not running for President. Obama IS. You decide where you would rather have limited experience, the #1 seat or the #2 seat. But of course i know the answer. ITs ok if he doesn't have any executive experience...after all, he has biden to fall back on, right?
As far as John McCain...he has more years of experience as a senator than Obama, he has years more experience in foreign policy than Obama, he does not bow to the Republican Party, Obama does bow to the Democratic party, McCain has bucked the Republican Party, Obama has never and I would guess will never buck the Democratic party, it is clear his first allegiance is there. Both McCain and Palin have demonstrated that their first allegiance is to the American people. She has an 80% favorability rating in Alaska...I am relatively sure 90% of Alaska is not Republican. Obama has never had an 80% rating...well except from NARAL, who gave him 100%. For me, McCain is more experienced and I want someone who is interested in what is best for me, not what is best for his political career and his all-important party.
Executive experience = running a government...
McCain hasn't, Obama hasn't, Biden hasn't. She HAS. Bill Clinton had only been a governor before he was elected President. Double standard alive and well on the left?? Of course it is.
Yeah, Obama's executive experience
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JOHN MCCAIN HAS HAD NO EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE
"I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war. And he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility," said Clark, a former NATO commander who campaigned for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004.
(Ret) General Wesley Clark
"I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war. And he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility," said Clark, a former NATO commander who campaigned for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004.
"I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war. And he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility," said Clark,
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/index.html
Executive experience media mantra no answer.
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The fact remains....sm
On the whole, republicans give more than Democrats.
Just ask Joe Biden. Just ask the Clintons. They only gave to their own foundation, which didn't do much of anything, except pay themselves.
Warren Buffet, billionaire liberal democrat, gives next to nothing. He's leaving his billions to Bill Gates foundation....but what did he give away during his lifetime?
The list goes on and on.
Fact remains that
whether you believe the Constitution's language regarding church and state or not, ours is a secular nation. I will not take the time to answer this viewpoint since I do not buy into it, but I have read the same wacko blogs and sites that promote this nonsense.
There are so many of America's true traditions that were eroded (some beyond recognition) during W's reign, and blurring the lines between church and state is high on that list. Do not look for that minority initiative to survive much longer. Most Americans understand the wisdom in the concept. Get all indignant and outraged if you like. Flame away. It won't change the fact that theocracy is a Middle Eastern concept that is not likely to "catch on" stateside anytime soon.
The fact remains as you so artfully ignored...
Clintons laid the groundwork for outsourcing to India and the rest of the hierarchy of your party blocked any attempt to stop said outsourcing. Where does the majority of outsourcing of MT work go? India. Lame, lame comeback, GT. That is so simple even YOU could get it, to use your own words.
When you are proven wrong on one point, counter with another. You can complain all you want about the Repubs...I could care less. Not my party. Like I said...Dems lite. However, the law being what it is, you have to register as SOMETHING to vote, if I in my ignorance
remember correctly. And you won't see me registering as a Democrat in this lifetime...because you, my friend, are indicative of what it has become and again...NO thank you. lol.
But the fact remains, old timer...it is they..
we are fighting now, and she was speaking about soldiers being deployed now. So her answer was correct.
Fact remains...your guy is in just as deep...
and dirty, and McCain at least tried to head it off, while your guy became their #2 recipient. Now THAT is an INCONVIENIENT truth. lol.
The fact remains....Joe is NOT the issue.
Obama's answer to the question is the issue. No one held a gun to his head and forced him to answer it. He could have walked awawy with one of his nonanswers like he has done before, but he chose to answer it. And he gave an honest socialist answer. Because he is a socialist. Try to deflect it to Joe....but the fact remains. Obama gave a socialist answer because he is a socialist. Period, end of sentence.
I suppose you think it is fair that a person asks a question and then state law enforcement does a background check on them?? What if you asked McCain a tough question in a townhall and they didn't like it and had you investigated and publically lacerated??
THAT will hurt Obama as much as his socialist answer.
Yes, I know, but the fact remains my question has still not been answered. SM
How is it that people feel they can make these kind of egregious statements about someone so effortlessly and not support those statements with facts. Pardon me if I am a little insistent that credible proof be provided that Laura Bush was drunk when she was involved in the accident that killed her friend.
But oldtimer...the fact remains...if those 94 democrats...
had voted yes, it would have passed ANYWAY, no matter what the Republicans did. enough Republicans voted for it that the 94 democrats would have made the difference. It would have passed. Not all republicans voted against it.
liberal fuzzy math....the fact remains....
she has a higher approval rating than most of the governors in the lower 48...quite possibly THE highest. Nice try...no cigar.
The fact remains, she gave the correct answer.
and Gibson did not expect her to even know what NATO was. Point, Palin. Obama has been interviewed numerous times by the liberal press. Not a one of them asked him about foreign policy other than the chance to talk about how he was against the war in Iraq. No one asked him about his experience. No one looked him in the eye and said are you ready, and he is running for the #1 spot.
There is the video where he himself said he would not be ready to run in 2008. Biden said during the primaries he wasn't ready. That makes two of them, and I agree 100%.
Fact remains....McCain saw this meltdown coming....
and the Dems would not listen. They did not want to upset the golden apple cart. And we the people are left holding the bag. Do I want one of them in the white house while we are trying to work our way out of this? No way, no how, nobama.
The fact that an article was written does not make it fact. I hope you know that. nm
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It remains to be seen if
they will no longer be here. I personally don't believe they will leave.
However, since their alleged departure, the Conservative board is a much more serene, friendly place to visit. There is actually intelligent discussion happening there now, and people's views are being respected and not attacked any more by those three. Hopefully it will encourage more intelligent debate. I even felt free to post there today, because in their alleged absence, I don't feel I will wind up in the middle of a war zone.
You refer to someone wishing a poster to "burn in hell." That's a horrible thing to say to anyone, but I think a bigger question is, how much goading and attacking does it take to get someone to that point?
The Conservative board has almost 1,900 posts on it. Most of these aren't intelligent debate. They're attacks by these three, wherein they attack a single poster 3 to 1, then come back to "high-five" each other after stomping the poster so far into the ground, they just give up. More like a street gang mentality than loving, tolerant Christians.
Though there are also attacks on this board, many of them are provoked by one or more of this "gang." If you take a close look at the Conservative and Liberal boards, the more intelligent, tolerant debate, hands down, is found on this board.
I agree with you that we should move on. I also feel that we shouldn't feel too secure in the peace and serenity that is currently being felt, because I personally believe it will be short lived. I believe in my heart they will be back, because they obviously are "pets" of the owner of this board, and I truly doubt that there's another forum out there that would tolerate them. They seem to harbor too much hatred and rage and anger to be content to stay away from here for too long. Just my personal opinion. I have respected yours. All I ask is that you please respect mine, as well, and then maybe we CAN move on to engage in intelligent, thoughtful, open debate, which presumably is the reason for these boards to begin with. 
I think that remains to be seen.
he's off to a pretty good start with this particular issue and I am so looking forward to having the shame of the shrub's years replaced by the pride I can take in a president who takes that document seriously.
Take a 2nd look. She has more executive
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This still remains the unanswered
was evaded through the entire campaign and never answered. There is no tax cut for 95% of Americans as 52% of them were led to believe (and naively did so), just a welfare check issued out those who do not pay income taxes to begin with!
This still remains the unanswered
was evaded through the entire campaign and never answered. There is no tax cut for 95% of Americans as 52% to 53% of them (which is a far cry from a landslide win as some would have us believe) were led to believe (and naively did so), just a welfare check issued out those who do not pay income taxes to begin with!
This still remains the unanswered
was evaded through the entire campaign and never answered. There is no tax cut for 95% of Americans as 52% to 53% of them (which is a far cry from a landslide win as some would have us believe) were led to believe (and naively did so), just a welfare check issued out those who do not pay income taxes to begin with!
Executive travel
Executives who travel for business on private jets may actually be doing something line buy or sell a product, bring in revenue, broker a deal that will create jobs.
Politicians traveling that way are mostly being seen. Example: Was it truly necessary for O to fly to the Southwest just to sign a bill and stand in front of some solar panels? He doesn't have pens in the oval office? Does Pelosi really rate a government plane to get her back and forth to California? Not sure if she actually got the privilege, but know she requested it because she is sooooo important to the nation, being assistant president and all, that she has to travel efficiently.
Before you jump all over me with 'Bush did....' yes, I know, they ALL get face time this way. That was then, this is now. If we're supposed to be going 'green' how about cutting out politicians' needless self-promoting travel on our dime?
But the bigger question remains:
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"second thing" remains a mystery
I understand they were the arresting officer's words. I am just curious as to what the second thing is. Did he lose his train of thought?
While a fetus remains a part of MY body, is sure
And it will never be yours, or anyone else's.
Excuse me....the Presidency is an executive position...
Palin is the only one of the four who has executive appearance. She is as ready to lead right now as Obama is. Obama has zero international experience other than one trip to talk to the Germans in a political speech.
And I would think the fact that your #1 has less experience than McCain's #2 you would stay away from the experience thing...?
He picked her because she shares his ideals..wants change in washington. Obama wants that too. McCain picked a REAL Washington outsider. Obama didn't. Soooo..they are saying some of the same things Obama is saying, but when Obama says it is good, when they say it, it is bad?
Hello President McCain, and VP Palin!
Bush creates executive pay loophole.
Right up until the end, Bush is working hard for his "base." I can't wait to see this man leave -- if he leaves. 
Bush Administration created executive pay loophole
John Byrne
Published: Monday December 15, 2008 |
The Bush Administration inserted an eleventh-hour provision into the $750 billion bailout bill to protect executive bonuses, a single sentence that will torpedo efforts to reduce bonuses even as companies slash tens of thousands of jobs and use taxpayer money to gobble up other companies at fire-sale prices.
Pressured by constituents who worried that companies would take government aid and continue to pay their executives eye-popping bonuses, Congress inserted a provision that would penalize companies who took taxpayer money and shelled out outsized bonuses.
But at the last minute, Bush officials insisted on a one-sentence provision that stopped the measure in its tracks, according to congressional aides who spoke to the Washington Post.
The change stipulated that the sanction would only apply to firms that sold mortgage backed securities to the government at auction, which the Bush Treasury Department said would be the method they'd use to infuse troubled companies with bailout cash.
"Now, however, the small change looks more like a giant loophole, according to lawmakers and legal experts" who spoke to Post reporter Amit Paley. "In a reversal, the Bush administration has not used auctions for any of the $335 billion committed so far from the rescue package, nor does it plan to use them in the future. Lawmakers and legal experts say the change has effectively repealed the only enforcement mechanism in the law dealing with lavish pay for top executives."
"The flimsy executive-compensation restrictions in the original bill are now all but gone," Sen. Charles Grassley, a Republican from Iowa and ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, told Paley.
According to Paley, "The final legislation contained unprecedented restrictions on executive compensation for firms accepting money from the bailout fund. The rules limited incentives that encourage top executives to take excessive risks, provided for the recovery of bonuses based on earnings that never materialize and prohibited 'golden parachute' severance pay. But several analysts said that perhaps the most effective provision was the ban on companies deducting more than $500,000 a year from their taxable income for compensation paid to their top five executives."
This amendment to the Internal Revenue Code was the only part of the bailout measure that had an explicit enforcement mechanism.
Bush officials initially opposed executive compensation rules. Banks, in particular, had been taking heat for "golden parachute" cases, where top executives received lavish pay upon their departure even if they'd done a poor job leading their company.
It remains unclear whether the Administration ever intended to limit executive pay -- if perhaps they knew in advance that Treasury didn't intend to buy mortgage assets at auction all along -- as they'd told Congress.
Words in the form of an executive order
If you are content to subscribe in all this voodoo spell casting and foreboding pronouncements to nowhere, be my guest. I prefer to stay grounded in the reality of the moment and give time for the plan to unfold.
The point remains...she might as well be running for president...McCain is...sm
a heartbeat away from the inevitable not just because he is old enough to be Palin's granddaddy but because of his medical history so with all that said...Palin is practically running for #1 and that's just the honest to God SCARY truth of the matter.
Executive power survey by presidential candidates.
In case you haven't seen this article, I am posting the link:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/12/22/candidates_on_executive_power_a_full_spectrum/?page=2
This is very enlightening for those who want to know their candidates thoughts about executive power.
She has 12 months in an executive position, actually running a government...
Obama does not. She is going to be 2nd chair, not 1st. If either of them is going to be training on the job, better it be 2nd chair. She also served as mayor, which is also executive work. She has more experience to be President now (and that is not the position she is running for) than he does. Just fact, based entirely on experience. And the only reason I posted that at all is that is the first criticism of her that surfaced here. Personally, with Obama's limited experience going into the first chair, not the second chair...I would think his campaign and his followers would want the conversation to avoid that...that make an issue of it. Just an observation.
Obama had no trouble signing 5 executive orders
if he is so opposed to bombing Pakistan, why did he give the order to do so? US drones bombing Pakistan. He is now in charge.....Bush can't call those shots.
Like I said, as long as Dems are in control, they suddenly have no problem with bombing ANYONE......just goes to show you what they will be doing to this country........just bend over and take it like a good little girl
Experience. (nm)
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I'm not sure how someone with no experience can
Experience
You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143
days of experience.
You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of
being a surgeon.
You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143
days of experience.
You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of
experience.
You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor
after 143 days of experience.
BUT....
'From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United States Senator, to the
time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he
logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the
Senate was actually in session and working. After 143 days of work
experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of
the Free World .... 143 days.
We all have to start somewhere. The senate is an okay start, but after 143
days, that's all it is - a start.
AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public is okay with this and
campaigning for him. We wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet
some are okay with this for the President of the United States of America?
Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol!
Please forward this before it's too late!
In my experience
I am ashamed to say I have a relative living off welfare. He and his wife use their 4 kids and one grandson to support themselves. They are part of the 40% who don't pay taxes at all. This past year they got around $2,000 in tax refunds. They bought a swimming pool and a trampoline. The rest was a down payment on their 3rd car. Every vehical is newer than what I drive. I have no problem with tax cuts for people who NEED them. Instead of giving people like this free money why not use it in a more deserving area. Maybe some of those truly needing welfare could use it for job training. Or put it towards the elderly who have worked there whole lives.
My experience...
First day, early voting. Walk into Baum Center, NC, to vote. Two feet from door, two chairs with end table between. What's on end table? Time magazine with SP on the cover. After standing in line and being made aware of this, I went over and promptly turned magazine over. Didn't want to make a scene. Called local board of elections, state board of elections, and local democratic party headquarters. Apparently, my first call did the trick. Within half an hour, I received a call from democratic party hearquarters that the magazine was no longer there for everyone to see as soon as they walked in to vote. Yeah for me! I did my job today. Let's all be observant. It may not seem blatant, but it really is.
my view on experience is...
I don't think experience is that big of an issue - nobody has "experience" at being the President of the United States until they get elected - and I don't think that the experience that Hillary claims is any real experience anyway.
I am excited at the prospect of having somebody in office who has no "experience" - maybe they will really want to "change" the way the "experienced" people have been doing things!
She has as much experience as Obama....
and she is second chair, not first chair. We get Obama's experience level in first chair. This argument really doesn't hold water. No wanting to start a fight...but she actually has experience running a state. He doesn't. So actually...she has more experience than he does. Don't really think, and I mean no disrespect...the no experience thing holds water.
She has more experience than your #1 chair...
has no reverend wright, has no William Ayers, is exactly the change Washington needs. I believe when comparisons start to be made, if change is indeed what you want...she is definitely NOT a washington insider and has a reputation for being a reformer. I thought your candidate wanted change from Washington politics. Has that changed? Oh...it is good when he says it, but here is someone who is exactly what he said Washington needs...oohhhhh but she is not a Democrat. Got it.
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