She has raised most all her kids while in some form...
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-01
In Reply to: We're talking about a brand new baby born with Down's...there is NO comparison at all...nm - come on now
of public service. I think she is fully capable of raising this one. I see no evidence to the contrary.
Come on now...are you saying that if the Obamas had a down's child and he was elected that Michelle should just stay in the white house and raise him and not do what the first ladies normally do? They travel, they give speeches, yada yada.
Palin's husband will be of help. It's not like she is going to be in DC, just she and Trig with no help whatsoever.
Yes, he is a down's baby, but he is perfectly healthy in every other way.
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pays her own kids way? I think that Alaska pays her kids way! nm
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In rare form, I agree with you...nm
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Like women who are resistant to every form of BC
Before you start preaching to me about adoption, been there, done that. Easy for you to say from your ivory tower pulpit. Try it once of twice, like I did, and then come back and tell us all how right it is for "everyone concerned." Blinded to your own gender by right-wing dogma. Not exactly the perfect example to follow. Stay out of other people's business unless you know what you are talking about.
Yes. I also know that Buffet is a rare form of CEO.
Man of principle, to be sure. Drives you crazy, doesn't it?
Then why does your opinion always form on the left?????? (sm)
I doubt you really truly watch Fox News and Fox programs as you much as say you do. You are seem far too liberal to do so with any regularity. They are definitely middle and more towards left, than right, in their attempt to be fair and balanced.
Same goes for a lot of O'Reilly. Two left views for one right view.....
Really wish there was a real and true conservative network out there. Fox ain't it, anymore, honey.
Now Rush....ever listen to Rush? He's a true, blue righie, that's for sure. Nice to have someone with the guts these days to be consistently on the right of everything.
Wow, JTBB. You are in top form today.
Keep 'em coming. I couldn't improve on this thread if my life depended on it.
ROFLMAO --- I am in no way, shape or form
Sam who posts on this board, but thanks for the laughs.
I don't usually post on this board that often because it's usually a waste of time, but I was bored last night.
It is definitely some form of prejudice! So if not racism...
To say someone's administration is a failure 3 months into a 48 month term is pre-judging. Prejudging is another word for prejudice.
No matter what kind of sanctimonious spin they want to put on their words, the bottom line is their are prejudiced.
"Flattery is the sincerest form of fla"
Were you trying to say "IMITATION is the sincerest form of flattery", perhaps?
If so, it's one of those stupid bits of "common wisdom" that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Go stand in front of the gorilla cage at the zoo and you'll see what I mean...unless, of course, you consider that the gorillas are flattering you.
You mean like his mom and grandmother who raised him?
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This is the question being raised? Where would
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True to form, if you can't refute, attack. nm
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True to form...if you can't refute, attack. nm
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Everyone Obama appoints appears to be some form
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Words in the form of an executive order
If you are content to subscribe in all this voodoo spell casting and foreboding pronouncements to nowhere, be my guest. I prefer to stay grounded in the reality of the moment and give time for the plan to unfold.
Recruitment is low because they RAISED their quota. And, they
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from his teens on he was raised by maternal
I just read he was raised by his maternal white grandparents from his teen years to adulthood and all thru college....
But that's not what I meant.....I meant when he is campaigning (I should have made that more clear in the last post) - in every state - I see a predominance of white people. I do not believe white people are a majority today and if so many like/love Obama, how come from state-to-state I MAINLY see whites? Again, this is strictly a curious question and not the least bit racist intended........I'm white....
I know black people who are voting for him, personally and famous, voting for him - but on TV and in the campaign only state-to-state, I only see whites...
Well, so far the Dems have raised as issues...
Sarah palin's pregnant daughter and her pastor. Anyone who talked about obama's pastor got sliced and diced. Talk about gutter politics. And glaring double standard.
Whatever Palin is, she is NOT a Marxist/socialist, and it is patently obvious the change Obama wants...as David ALinsky stands by and cheers.
In reply to the concerns you raised.
My first reaction when reading your post was one of curiosity. I was an IC during the latter Clinton years and I do not recall paying 40% of my earnings to tax. What I remember was an aggregate tax payment composed of income tax, social security tax and self-employment tax, which essentially represented a burden I shouldered as an IC that compensated for the lack of employer contribution to SS, Medicare and FICA. To my knowledge, this tax structure has not changed since then for ICs. I also remember paying my taxes quarterly, and being responsible for calculating enough tax not only to cover my required amounts, but also to pay in extra each time if I wanted to generate a return at the end of the year. I made a decision NOT to be an independent contractor because I was a single parent with a mortgage. The self-employment levy felt like double tax to me as compared to what I had been accustomed to as an employee and, most definitely the total percentage of tax burden as an IC was greater than that of a full employee status.
On checking my returns from those years (which I still keep in the house) I find the total tax burden I had for all the components of my tax liability amounted to 27%. I am wondering if you did not get a return back then because you did not contribute more than the minimum rate during the course of the year and that later on, your contributions did allow you to have a return. Also, to account for the lower rate during Bush years, did your family situation change between Clinton years and Bush years, did you get married, have children, add an earned income tax credit deduction, add dependents, start itemizing your taxes. All these changes would account for a lower percentage rate of your tax liability, thus allowing for a return.
I am also wondering why you would look back instead of forward when assessing the issue of whether or not you will be "taxed more." Have you read Obama's tax plan? If not, please go to this link and take a look. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#tax-relief
Essentially this is what you will find (please excuse the format challenges of cut and paste).
Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.
• Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
• Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less than $50,000: Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This proposal will eliminate income taxes for 7 million seniors and provide these seniors with an average savings of $1,400 each year. Under the Obama plan, 27 million American seniors will also not need to file an income tax return.
• Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.
It also might be worthwhile to check out the plan on the economy here
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
Scroll down to At a Glance and browse the links of interest to you.
Here's the link for healthcare
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Again, scroll down to At a Glance and select links of interest.
I have provided Obama website links because you expressed doubts about democratic policy. McCain's website also should have similar information available on these issues as well for your comparison. After reviewing the information (if you were not already familiar with it), ask yourself where the information is coming from that is making you fearful that your taxes will be raised. I would really be interested in any response you may feel inclined to post in this regard. On a personal note, I will not be trusting McCain with the economy or with handling my HARD EARNED tax money. I do NOT want one more single penny to be used to fund the war, bankroll Israel's apartheid and nuclear weapons arsenal, prop up our struggling corporations or trickle up into the pockets of the richest among us in the form of continued Bush tax cuts to the rich, which McCain has openly stated he will continue if elected.
So what? I know people that were raised as practicing -
witches. Doesn't mean they're all gonna drop a house on someone.
He was raised by his "white" grandmother.
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Congratulations, you have obviously raised your daughter right.
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Born and raised in Chatta
Left there years ago but still visit some, went to high school there, Red Bank. I still get the News Free Press on line to make sure everything on the up and up there.
My children have always been raised with boundries . . . s/m
and consequences, and that's why they are exceptionally ethical, compassionate young adults, straight-A students, and, in general, wonderful human beings well on their way to being productive, responsible grown adults. I am their parent first, always. I have instilled them with the information and tools to make wise decisions, and this seems to be working well for me and them.
Form email from John Kerry and my reply
...and my response. (Warning: It's lengthy.)
This is our moment of truth. You and I have to make it absolutely clear that we won't stand for Republican Swift Boat style attacks on Jack Murtha.
Yesterday, an extraordinary congressman, former Marine Drill Sergeant and decorated Vietnam veteran, spoke out on the war in Iraq. He didn't come to that moment lightly. He spoke his mind and spoke his heart out of love for his country and support for our troops. No sooner had the words left his lips than the vicious assault on his character and patriotism began.
Today, in a statement on the Senate floor, in interviews with the national media, and in this message to you, I am seeking out every opportunity to defend a brave American hero that the Republican attack machine has set their sights on.
I urge you to do the same. Whether you agree or disagree with Jack Murtha is irrelevant. These despicable attacks on Jack Murtha's patriotism and courage must be met with an enormous public outcry. Call your local talk radio show, write a letter to the editor, phone your members of Congress - join me in acting now to reject these Swift Boat style attacks on Jack Murtha.
It disgusts me that a bunch of guys who have never put on the uniform of their country have aimed their venom at a marine who served America heroically in Vietnam and has been serving heroically in Congress ever since. No matter what J.D. Hayworth says, there is no sterner stuff than the backbone and courage that defines Jack Murtha's character and conscience.
Dennis Hastert -- the Speaker of the House who never served -- accused Jack Murtha of being a coward. Well let me tell you, Jack Murtha wasn't a coward when he put himself in harm's way for his country in Vietnam and earned two purple hearts -- he was a patriot then, and he is a patriot today. Jack Murtha's courage in combat earned him a Bronze Star, and his voice should be heard, not silenced by those who still today cut and run from the truth.
Instead of letting his cronies run their mouths, the President for once should stop his allies from doing to Jack Murtha what he set them loose to do to John McCain in South Carolina and Max Cleland in Georgia.
The President should finally find the courage to debate the real issue instead of destroying anyone who speaks truth to power as they see it. It's time for Americans to stand up, fight back, and make it clear it's unacceptable to do this to any leader of any party anywhere in our country.
I urge you to join today in a massive public outcry that rejects the attempt to demonize and destroy anyone who dares to disagree with George W. Bush's aimless stay for as long as it takes policy on Iraq.
Please act now. Call and email your elected officials. Flood talk radio with calls rejecting these vicious smear tactics. Send a letter to the editor.
Express your outrage about the tired old Rovian Swift Boat style attacks on Jack Murtha.
Sincerely,
John Kerry
MY REPLY:
Dear Senator Kerry:
I absolutely agree with everything you wrote, and I have been posting my views on political message boards, as well as emailing Duncan Hunter, and I've written a four-page letter to Congressman Murtha himself.
Now I must address YOUR response to the attacks on Congressman Murtha.
I thank you for your defense of him; however, I felt it was very, VERY weak. (By the way, please pass this on to Senators Clinton and Reid so they might get a clue into what makes the majority of Americans tick).
For years now, Democrats, including yourself, have openly expressed their opposition to the Iraq war, but you haven't had one single idea to fix the problem, and when asked WHY you voted for it (before you voted against it), you all give some lame, limp, meaningless excuse.
NOW is the time to aggressively defend Congressman Murtha and his plan for leaving Iraq. Bush HAS NO PLAN. MURTHA DOES. It's really quite a simple concept.
Although I'm beginning to lose patience with you all, let's regroup and start over. Today is the first day of the rest of our lives.
I realize that most of you fell down on the job and didn't really scrutinize the Bush intelligence (this term is found in the dictionary under oxymoron and/or just plain old moron).
You were probably busy and didn't have time to read thousands of pages of documents. That's understandable. What's even more understandable is that as President of the United States, there's a preconceived notion that this person is, in fact, ethical and honorable. We now know that is not the case. We now know that he possibly took America to war on the blood of thousands of 9/11 victims simply to insure a successful Presidency. NOW is the time to admit that you, as well as every intelligent, thinking American and the entire WORLD, were FOOLED by this man because he was so blatant and aggressive in his pursuit of this war, it simply never occurred to any of you that you were dealing with a man who planned on attacking Iraq before he was even (s)elected President. (See
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20...went_to_war.php,)
NOW is the time to expose the true character and motives of this prior alcoholic who never received professional help for his addiction. He comes across as a simple man because he IS a simple man, in every sense of the word. His simplicity extends to the largest deficit in American history, and his tactics remind me of a teenager who recklessly maxes out Daddy's credit card because he has no responsibility for the bill, given that Daddy will pay it.
NOW is the time to embrace Congressman Murtha's plan, since it DOES make sense, reflects an actual THOUGHT PROCESS taking place, and is the thing that most Americans want. This man is not some 5-deferment draft dodger or Air National Guard absentee. He's a decorated Purple Heart recipient, who has devoted his entire life to helping the military and veterans.
NOW is the time to reveal an administration who would place the lives of a CIA agent in jeopardy and with everyone who ever worked with her, simply because her husband exposed the TRUTH.
NOW is the time to reveal the administration's press secretary's Plamerizing of John Murtha. NOW is the time to acknowledge that you truly have connected the dots, and the picture of a lying, unethical administration has emerged. If you do this NOW, most forward-thinking Americans will probably forgive you for now just catching up with everything they've known for months.
NOW is the time to publicly condemn Friday's histrionics of the House of Representatives. I, as a taxpayer, resent having to pay for that crap.
Sadly, you've pretty much already proven that you don't have many original ideas. NOW is the time to attach yourselves to John Murtha's coattails and hang on for dear life.
In case you haven't figured this out yet, you're up against an administration who will stop at NOTHING to transform this country into a theoracy, who will brag about the impending freedom for all Iraqis, while simultaneously slowly removing the freedoms of Americans, as his narrow-minded base pursues control over every single American regarding when we're born, who we love, which God we're allowed to worship, and when and how we die.
NOW is the time to expose the evangelical recruitment taking place in the Air Force in Colorado and the accompanying ridicule and persecution of soldiers who have different religious beliefs.
NOW is the time (albeit it four years LATE) to prove you care about the safety of Americans and aggressively pursue the security of our borders so that al Qaeda members cannot come into America from Mexico and KILL US.
Above all else, NOW IS THE TIME to reveal this President as the one who is truly aiding and abetting the enemy by providing them free, complimentary OTJ training in Iraq where they can hone their craft while killing our American soldiers.
NOW is the time to STOP being quiet and milquetoasty and to aggressively pursue this Administration's lies (I know they're numerous, ongoing, and difficult to keep track of) and reveal them for what they truly are.
MOST OF ALL, NOW is the time to honestly express what Congressman Murtha REALLY said when he outlined his plan to leave Iraq. It was a very thoughtful, sensible plan, and the fact that administration henchmen are maliciously mischaracterizing it should be revealed and aggressively FOUGHT.
If you truly foresee a future for your party, NOW is the time to embrace and advertise something the Administration doesn't have: A PLAN for Iraq. Although you might be able to win some elections by simply being the least worst party, is that really the future you envision for the Democratic party?
The ball is in your court. Don't let this one get away.... again.
Americans are losing patience.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of communication. Keep it up. You are good at it. nm
I guess it's not bad form to ignore moderator requests
It is the original long form birth certificate
that usually has more information about parents, their address, occupation, baby weight etc., on it, as opposed to the abridged version which only will have DOB and parents names,for example.
Why wont Obama just show his long-form
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ROFL. You're in top form tonight, JTBB.
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Well my son is being raised in an all white family (stepdad)
I don't know how Obama was raised but maybe it has something to do with it.
and he was raised by his radical islamic stepfather
Be very aware..........
and if his wife is a member of the CFR - trust me, he's involved too.....
New World Order - New American Century - Skull and Bones - read up on it.........
You're confused - she was raised in Idaho
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I was raised by very conservative, strict parents. - sm
But once you get beyond high school, and into college or out into the working world, you meet so many different kinds of people. I'd be lying if I said I got along with all of them (or even maybe most of them?) But in my own experience, beginning back when I met the first gay person I ever knew (he had his own horse, and he let me ride it all the time), my personal friendships have been good ones. I wouldn't trade any of them for anything, and feel sad when I think they sometimes have to live certain aspects of their lives as ƈnd-class' citizens. Especially when each and every one contributes so much to society, and to life in general. So I really have no idea, as well.
I am not afraid of a black man raised by whites. sm
Flame away, but.....What I AM afraid of is people who cannot see the forest for the trees, those who are so bamboozled by his smoke and mirrors and snake oil, how this "black man raised by whites" is going to pay for all the pie-in-the sky promises he is making. We all know socialized medicine does not work. Look at all the Canadians coming here for their medical procedures etc. How much money can he take from the "have's" to give to the "have not's?" So if I make over $250K, then I have to give money to somebody who doesn't work and will never work? And don't even get me started on his stand on the abortion issue. Conversely, McCain does not have all the answers either. I don't know who would or who does, but I do know this: It is not Obama.
Please address the 4 key points raised in terms of
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Hubert Hoover raised taxes
during an economic recession and that lead to The Great Depression. Obama is the one wanting to raise taxes here. He wants to raise taxes on companies who are already hurting right now because of the financial crisis. This will lead to less jobs and more companies closing and going out of the country. FDR introduced several new deals which were government assistant programs that were supposed to help people during the great depression and those new deals have actually been proven to lengthen the duration of the great depression.....not help it. Obama wants to introduce new government assisted programs. To me....Obama will be the absolutely worst thing for this economy.
As for Sarah Palin....at least she has run something which is more than I can say for Obama. He may have been a community organizer but the buildings in his region that were for low-income families, like the ones owned by Rezko, were often without heat and were horrible living conditions. Sarah Palin has run a state where she is very popular. She has cut spending in her state. She has no problem standing up to her own party. These are very admirable things. Yes, Obama has been on the senate but he hasn't been on there very long. His experience of running things and making executive decisions is seriously lacking. Instead of cutting back government spending, he wants to raise our taxes. Gee....that sounds like change, huh. A man looking out for us little people.....whatever. Obama has never once stood up against his own party. His own running mate said he didn't have the experience. The amount of pork Obama has spent government money on is just outrageous. The key to this whole thing is to get government under control and stop the spending.....not let government get bigger and control more of OUR money.
Just stop the conspiracy by showing your long form BC...HMMM
He has shown a short-form fraud piece of garbage. I
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Suggest independent researching of the issues raised here...
they are valid and should be looked at. Thanks for posting.
Obama raised as practicing Muslim - see link
This is not in ancient times. He was a practicing Muslim as an adult. Question is, is he still a practicing muslim hiding as a Christian. See link.
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/obama-grew-up-muslim-half-brother.html
Raised by a Muslim father and Christian mother
It is a crock, it was refuted. You live in a very small world with no understanding of other cultures. That picture shows me that when he returned to Kenya to meet his father's family, he put on clothing that other Kenyan men wear...Christians and Muslims alike. When I lived in the Middle East with my husband and his family, I wore Hijab and covered my head out of RESPECT for them and for the people whose country I was visiting. Respect obviously is a foreign concept to you. Christiane Amanpour is a Christian who travels to the Middle East and when she does, she covers her head and wears hijab, like she did when she made God's Warriors. Barbara Walters wears a head cover when traveling in the Middle East. She is a Christian. I will not waste my time citing any other examples to support my claim that you are so small minded, bigoted and misinformed it borders on the criminal.
Democrats See Dream of ག Victory Taking Form ...see link
see link
Too bad McCain can't form a sentence w/o gagging, slurring, making faces
That is his problem. Obama is eloquent... oh well
Whatever. How about addressing the actual issues I raised in my post for a change? (NT)
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What available information suggests Sarah palin's children will be raised...
by a succession of nannies?
Those are ethnic Alaskan names, part of her heritage and where she was raised...
do you REALLY want to get into a discussion about ethnic names when your candidate is named Barack Hussein Obama?
Can we please dump this ridiculous issue? He was named because his parents were proud of their heritage. So are Sarah Palin's children.
Good grief!! Unbelievable!!
Just stop the conspiracy by showing your long form BC, why hire three law firms...HMMM
Honey chile, I was bred, born and raised in the deep south. LOL
His Kids
I know the "C" story is true. As far as the kids go, he has 7 from what I understand. Two boys in the military and 1 or 2 adopted kids. I stated an opinion about his daughters because any man that would disrespect women the way he has (letting "H" be called the "B" word, laughing and not speaking against it, and then calling his wife a "C" publically), has no respect for women (which include his daughters). Then he comes out with this fake persona that he respects women and he welcomes their vote. Please --- anything to win.
We really would not have know about the kids other than
Palin herself putting them before the public like she did, kept the smaller 1 out of school and people questioned as to why they were not in school. Oh, now it is ne're-do-well beau. I remember what a warm reception he got from John welcoming him into the circle. All white trash, both sides.
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