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But they didn't offer racism and bigotry....

Posted By: don't ya know? MSMT on 2008-10-15
In Reply to: Point being: Couldn't he find a church that offers those things sans the racism and hate mongeri - My church has all the same ministries

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Everyone on this board jumps on racism, bigotry
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Bigotry is bigotry. And "sin" is a subjective concept.
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Oh didn't you know...racism only pertains to
 
stop with the bigotry
I never hate or love because of a persons income..It is what they give back to society and the earth that matters..Frankly, I have heard the republicans hate and fear the poor and lock themselves away in gated communities so they dont have to deal with reality..So which bigoted opinion is true..NEITHER..OMG..Stop with the generalizations, the hate filled bigoted attacks..We democrats/liberals do not hate any one type of person..frankly, from what I have seen, experienced and learned over my 30+ years of democratic activisim, we dont hate anyone..we just want peace and prosperity for America and a fair chance for all, whether you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth or not..
Ignorance and bigotry are something to be
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Which flavor of bigotry do you find
Is it the slimey racial undertones, the doubt-casting, hypocritical Christian hate-mongering arrogance or the ethnocentric cultural "other-worldliness" innuendoes that you find so appealing? One thing is for sure here. You can cite 1000 of these articles every single day between now and November 4, and it will not budge your candidate's sinking poll percentages one single iota.
Sorry you misconstrue facts for bigotry.
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BIGOTRY is ugly, even when camouflaged

Bigotry is blind as you have so eloquently illustrated.
Canadians, progressive Americans, Pakistanis, the French, Saudis and a whole bunch of other folks understand that we now live in a global community. The internet has been a great equilizer...where anybody anywhere can weigh in and get the respect they deserve, even when they are "diffefrent" from us or when they disagree. The global community is a nice place to live. It's in the here and now, not mired in the past. Why don't you get with the program and try it out sometime? It beats the heck out of fear and hate.
Careful, now. Your ignorance and flaming bigotry is showing.
Does this mean that only Zionists are allowed to identify with tragedy? In all the years I have associated with Moslems (both Shia and Sunni), Arabs and Iranians, I have never once encountered any Taliban. The only Nazis/facists I have ever encountered were on this forum (yourself included, though you do not seem to understand the meaning of the term). I confess, I have known a few Sudanese in my time. I encountered Sudanese women during the course of my volunteer work with refugee outreach who were seeking asylum in flight from female circumcision/mutilation. They did not really qualify for your "guerilla" sterotype. Seems to me that Zionists know a thing or 2 about serial killing. Child molesters? No logical context there. You are ranting again. Suicide bombers versus Assault rifles, submachine guns, machine guns, sniper rifles, shotguns, pistols,
Semi-automatics, breach grenades, SWAT rifles, Isherman, Sho't, Magach, Sabra and Merkava tanks, Davidka, Makmat and Soltam M-66 mortars, Soltam, Rascal, Sholef and IDF howitzers, cargo, sea scan, fighter and trainer aircraft, Shaldaq, Dvora and Super Dvora patrol boats, Sa'ar 3, 4 and 5-class missle boats, Sa'ar 5-class corvettes, Gal class and Dolphin submarines, Trophy and Iron Fist protection systems, Flight Guard airborne countermeasures systems, Machbet anti-aircraft weapons, Barak surface-to-air missiles, SPYDER air-defense system, Arrow anti-ballistic missiles, Tactical High Energy Laser, Iron Dome short-range rocket defense system, David's Sling medium-range rocket defense system, B-300 and Shipon shoulder-launched missiles, shoulder-lanched multipurpose assault weapons, FGM-172 SRAWs, MAPATS, Spike, Nimrod and LAHAT ATGMs, Shafrir, Derby and Python air-to-air missiles, Gabriel naval anti-ship missiles, Popeye air-to-surface missiles, LORA theater and Jericho ballistic missiles, Nimda, Trail Blazers, IDF Nagmachon, IDF Nakpadon, IDF Puma, IDF Achzarit, Namer IFV, Nemmera ARV, AIL Storm, Plasan Sand Cat, Wolf Armoured and Golan Armored fighting vehicles, IMI Mastiff, Casper 250, IAI Searcher, IAI Hary, IAI I-View, IAI Ranger, IAI Heron, IAI RQ-2 Hunter, Elbit Skylark, Elbit Hermes and Aeronautics Defense Dominator unmanned fighter vehicles, Typhoon close-in weapon system, Kilshon anti-radiation missile launchers, Caterpillar D7/D9 armored bulldozers, Enhanced Tactical Computers, LITENING targeting pods, Spice EO-GPS PGM guidance kits, Shavit spaceflight launch vehicle, EROS earth observation satellite and Ofeg reconnaissance satellites. Oops, I almost fogot the WMDs, including chemical, biologic and, of course, the nukes.

GIVE ME A BREAK.

So you can't translate this either? All you have to offer is
Please elaborate.
Can I offer you some Kool-Aid?
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Than offer something constructive...
instead of whining about what you don't like. That's all we hear is whining and complaining without any solutions or suggestion that you feel would be a better way to go. Not only that, are you privy to the same information that President and Obama and his cabinet are privy to? Are you qualified to pass judgment on anything that he does when you don't have all the facts? Would you like some cheese with your whine?
If the information she has to offer upsets you this much...
....perhaps you should debate with the folks on the conservative board who will agree with you and pat you on the back.  Perhaps your anger with gt is not about her, but about you (to paraphrase the mental health folks).
May I be the first to offer resounding bipartisan
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Every time we offer a suggestion
we get laughed at and told we are asking for handouts.

I still believe that the best way to revive the banks is to go through the homeowners. Isn't bailing out and giving money to the big buisnesses still essentially trickle down economics? It's going to take too long for this stimulus to reach the average citizen. By then too many people will be without a job/home/food, etc.


So you have nothing to offer when it comes to defending Bennett's statements...sm
as you posted earlier that they were taken out of context. When asked to enlighten us on the context, you instead want to take Zauber to task. I know why, because there is no defense for these statements and a sound minded person wouldn't even try. Even the dupes on capitol hill are criticizing the statements.
Yeah, I'll BET you "work with" them. You offer
away from any others that might be out there. I've seen your kind practicing what amounts to terrorism in front of our local Planned Parenthood clinic.

Based on all the propaganda you've been spewing the last week or so, I don't believe one word of what you just wrote about 'helping' women.

You so-called 'pro-life' enthusiasts are just a buncha self-righteous, old-world, Bible-belt hags, nothing more.


What facts did you just offer to encourage me to vote your way? nm
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In a prior post I made the following offer:

 


.....no amount of money would induce me to volunteer to be tortured (you know, beaten cut, burned - severe pain or harm).  But cut me a check (certified only, please) with a number followed by a whole lot of zeros and I would be waterboarded (strictly in the interest of science).  Our special forces are trained to withstand this and other 'harsh' interrigation techniques......  It's scary and unpleasant but way different from having your fingernails pulled out or a field generator and alligator clips used.


I had in mind more like $500,000, but yeah, for enough money I would certainly consider that an offer I couldn't refuse. 


 


dr's urge america to accept cuba's offer
Doctors Urge US To Accept Cuba's Offer Of 1586
Disaster-Trained Doctors

By Ken Thomas
Associated Press Writer
9-8-5


ATLANTA (PRNewswire) -- A prominent U.S. medical group
voiced deep concern over delays in health care and
epidemic prevention reaching Katrina victims, and
urged U.S. authorities to accept Cuba's offer of 1586
disaster-trained physicians to prevent a second wave
of sickness and death.
 
Latest reports indicate the U.S. State Department is
backing away from the offer, implying they are not
needed.
 
Up to this point, there been a clear need for more
medical help for Katrina victims, said Peter Bourne,
MD, Chairman of MEDICC and former special adviser on
health in the Carter White House and former Assistant
Secretary General at the United Nations. The Cuban
physicians are accustomed to working in difficult
third-world conditions without the resources and
supplies most of us are accustomed to. Since they are
just an hour away, it is a shame that they have not
been allowed to join our committed medical corps
already.
 
He is joined by other physicians, medical educators,
international health experts and a former U.S. surgeon
general associated with MEDICC, Medical Education
Cooperation with Cuba. From 1998 through 2004, MEDICC
has provided medical electives in Cuba for nearly 1000
students and faculty from 118 U.S. medical, public
health and nursing schools.
 
Cuba has been recognized by the UN, Oxfam and other
international organizations as a leader in disaster
response, expertise that could be saving lives now,
said Doctor William Keck, former long-time director of
the Akron, Ohio Department of Public Health.
 
A 2004 Oxfam Report, Weathering the Storm: Lessons in
Risk Reduction from Cuba, states that there are real
lessons to be learned from Cuba on how to safeguard
lives during extreme natural disasters, including
getting medical attention to vulnerable populations.
The report can be found at
http://www.oxfamamerica.org/cuba.
 
On Tuesday, August 30, Cuba first offered U.S.
authorities hurricane relief in the form of 1100
disaster-trained bilingual physicians, each equipped
with 52-pound pound backpacks of medical supplies,
including rehydration therapy, insulin,
anti-hypertensives, and medications for systemic and
topical infections.
 
On Saturday, September 3, Cuba increased the offer to
1586 doctors, ready for immediate deployment and
prepared to stay as long as necessary to help wherever
needed. A Cuban spokesperson said that as of today
there has been no official response from the U.S.
government.
 
Cuban disaster relief experience spans 45 years,
mainly in hurricanes faced by the Caribbean island and
in coping with disasters confronted by other
developing countries. Another nearly 25,000 Cuban
health professionals provide longer-term health care
services in 68 countries, under
government-to-government agreements.
 
Cuba trains 10,500 medical students from 27 countries
at its Latin American Medical School -- 65 of them
from poor and minority communities in the USA. (See
The New England Journal of Medicine, 2004;
351:2680-82.)
 
What an irony that the first U.S. MD to graduate from
the school this August is a young African American
from New Orleans, said Diane Appelbaum, RN, NP, MS.
He just passed the U.S. medical boards and is eager
to fulfill the commitment he made in exchange for his
free education from Cuba to serve the very
poverty-stricken areas now devastated.
 
For additional first-hand reports and interviews from
Cuba, please see MEDICC's on-line journal, MEDICC
Review at
http://www.medicc.org, Archives, Vol VI, No.
3, 2004 Disaster Management in Cuba: Reducing the
Risk.
 
MEDICC (Medical Education Cooperation with Cuba) is a
non-profit organization based in Atlanta. MEDICC is
committed to maintaining institutional and educational
links between the U.S. and Cuban medical communities.
MEDICC publishes the English-language journal MEDICC
Review, reporting on Cuba's medical and public health
programs, available at
 
http://www.medicc.org. 
 


Remarkable how a child's viewpoint can often offer wisdom
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You call that an excuse? There are plenty of churches that offer those things!! nm
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So we offer substandard wages and attract more people to welfare???...sm
More of your tax dollars are being spent there than at McDonalds or whatever, if we do not get more people working, we also have LESS people paying into the tax system, both federal and state, which subsidises OTHER necessitites. And people complain about the immigrant workers taking jobs? Because of substandard wages and the increased benefit of being on Welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing, and Medicaide, it seems only immigrants WANT to do these insultingly low-paying jobs. I am talking about a wage where a family can be together, both parents are not working two jobs, and thus not taking care of the kids, another social problem, and employed taxpayers are also CONSUMERS who drive the economy, but if you are not making a living wage, you cannot participate in the economy. How is this wrong?
Racism

Racism does not have to be whites not accepting blacks.  It can also be blacks not accepting whites.  And that does happen.  I would not approve of anybody that was trying to be a leader of this great country siding with one or the other.  They need to accept both blacks and whites.  Obviously, Obama does not think that way.  So what, if he was a teen when he wrote these books.  They should never have been published if he does not agree with what is in them. 


All this mess that is going on now did not start with George Bush.  Congress controls this country, with the president having veto power.  The Dems have been in power insofar as Congress goes for the last two years.  But it started even before then. 


Wake up, America!  You think with all our news media announcing to the world what we are getting ready to do that if Iraq had WMD they would not have known what was going on over here and what our plans were and most likely would have moved the WMD to another country. 


 


 


Now I know there isn't any racism in
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Racism

Will racism play a major roll in this election?  You betcha.  However, you cannot say that people not voting for Obama are racist.  Some of them are, but not all of them.  How many Obama supporters are voting for him just because he is black?  Probably a heck of a lot....so you have racism on both sides here.


Yesterday someone posted and used Barrack Obama's middle name and they were called racist for doing so.  I do not see how this is racist.  It is the man's name.  How can someone be racist for calling him by his name?


I seriously am tired of people playing the race card.  Yes, racism is out there and it will play a part in this election but that most definitely goes on both sides.  You have your wacko people yelling "kill him" at a McCain rally.  The media tried to say it happened again at a Palin rally, but that is untrue.  It was only yelled during a McCain speech.  That was wrong and crazy people like that are way out of line.  They are also giving good people who are McCain supporters bad names.  Then you have Obama's supporters.  There are many good people who are on Obama's side and yet there are those crazy wack jobs on his side as well who are only voting for him because he IS black and most certainly will be screaming racism if Obama should lose.


Both sides are guilty of racism.  Some are afraid of the crazy people yelling "kill him" and others are afraid of crazy Obama supporters rioting if he should lose.  It goes both ways.  So stop blaming one side or the other.  They both have nut job racists.  I'm just tired of hearing about this.


Racism
I can't help but wish that everyone making less than $50,000 a year who opposes Obama would take a few moments to sit quietly and really question him/herself about the racial question. If those folks were honest with themselves, really honest, I bet they'd be quite surprised. I can't think of any other reason why folks making $50,000 or less (much less) a year would support the Republicans, just simple racism.
Racism
And white folks haven't been raising their children to judge people by the color of their skin since, well, way back before Jim Crow--and DON'T get me started on Jim Crow. All thru my working life (40-plus years) I've been seeing sneaky racism in the legal and medical fields thru a white woman's eyes and, frankly, I'm thoroughly disgusted with those of us on the paler side of the makeup counter.
There is no racism in America, no way!

Al Sharpton doesn't have to look far for fuel...see the following story on racism in America.

On June 28 2007 a young black defendant Mychal Bell was found guilty of aggravated assault against a young white man by an all white jury despite conflicting testimony from witnesses.

His defense lawyer was incompetent at the very least and didn't even call the only adult to witness what happened to the stand. This man's testimony could have concievably blown the prosecuters case out of the water.

Originally the prosecuter tryed to charge Mychal and others with attempted murder for being involved in what was basically a fight and only backed off because of a worlwide public out cry. Learn more about the case from documents sent to me by Alan Bean, the founder of Friends of Justice a group dedicated to making sure all people are given a fair trial. You can read the documents by clicking the links below:


If you want a definition of racism...
read the creed for Obama's church...and read some of his pastor mentor's sermons...and some of the speeches and quotes of their friend Louis Farrakhan. That, my friend, is the very definition of racism. When you read the creed of the church, substitute the word "white" everywhere the word "black" is used and tell me it is not racist. We do NOT need a racist in the White House.
Racism is on both sides......not just one
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Racism....that is a bit of a stretch....
because vanilla is white? LOL. The point was that if you are preaching change, and you pick the guy who has been a senator for 30-some years and may not LIVE in DC but is certainly part of the DC establishment...that is not change, it is picking "vanilla" meaning generic, and Joe Biden is definitely a generic DC liberal. Definitely not a change from DC politics...which is exactly opposite from what Obama has been saying he wanted to do..get away from politics as usual in DC.
There is no racism in my tone......
I am just sick of nuts like him standing up there and making absolutely insane remarks, such as the "messiah" thing. And what is even worse, he has weak followers if they don't see this man for what he is. HE is a RACIST man. I have no problem calling him out on that one. He is racist, his comments are racist, and he loves to divide the races. If you don't like it, too bad. The facts aren't prety are they?


Nice racism, lis!
You should be ashamed of yourself!
I believe YOU were concerned about racism...
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Of course racism is alive and well...sm
One explanation, and I know many people who did this....people wanted to be able to say that they voted in the first black man into the white house. And that is all well and good, but they did it only to be able to say they voted him in. Period.

Obama is long on style, short on substance....and extremely short on experience.

We've elected someone who's about to get on the job training.




I have not seen any racism here. You are making
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You seem to be an expert on racism.....
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It goes MANY ways. For example, I see racism
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Ah, yes. Racism. Now it's all because of color.
People were very lavish with their criticism of Bush as a 'cowboy' etc.  He walked with a 'swagger'.  He talked funny (said nucular).  I guess these criticisms showed covert 'texism' ?  
It does not matter how racism is born...
racism is racism. All whites did not enter into the slavery trade nor discrimination nor condone it, and if it had not been for some fed-up white Republicans like Abe Lincoln slavery would not have been abolished as quickly as it was. And if it had not been for some fed-up white Republicans shoving through the Right to Vote act in the 60's, oppression would certainly be worse still today. So I would be very careful about saying all whites oppressed anyone. And that is what racism is...condemning an entire "race" for perceived injustices or perceived inferiority. To the Nation of Islam, apparently to Obama's church, to Black panthers...there is no good white person. Exactly the way the old south was in reverse. Defend it if you like...it is still virulent racism and should not be condoned for ANY reason.

So, my friend, when you talk about quotas in jobs, quotas in scholarships, being put ahead not because of hard work or actually qualifying for something like a job or a scholarship, please don't whine about how blacks or minorities are oppressed. In today's culture it should strictly be on merit, not on the color of your skin, be that white, black, yellow, red or chartreuse.

And, frankly, your last sentence sounds pretty racist itself.
Really? I would hate to see your criteria for racism

See below:


 


As a young broadcaster in the 1970s, Limbaugh once told a black caller: "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back." A decade ago, after becoming nationally syndicated, he mused on the air: "Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

In 1992, on his now-defunct TV show, Limbaugh expressed his ire when Spike Lee urged that black schoolchildren get off from school to see his film Malcolm X: "Spike, if you're going to do that, let's complete the education experience. You should tell them that they should loot the theater, and then blow it up on their way out."

In a similar vein, here is Limbaugh's mocking take on the NAACP, a group with a ninety-year commitment to nonviolence: "The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

When Carol Moseley-Braun (D-IL) was in the U.S. Senate, the first black woman ever elected to that body, Limbaugh would play the "Movin' On Up" theme song from TV's "Jeffersons" when he mentioned her. Limbaugh sometimes still uses mock dialect -- substituting "ax" for "ask"-- when discussing black leaders.

Such quotes and antics -- many compiled by Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR) for our 1995 book -- offer a whiff of Limbaugh's racial sensibility. So does his claim that racism in America "is fueled primarily by the rantings and ravings" of people like Jesse Jackson. Or his ugly reference two years ago to the father of Madonna's first child, a Latino, as "a gang-member type guy" -- an individual with no gang background.


because these statements do demonstrate racism
and I people should be aware they were made. As I said, but you obviously didn't take the time to think about, I am against ANY racism.
YOur ignorance and racism is showing
OBAMAJAD? Could your side please give the "he's a Muslim" chant a rest?

Or do you enjoy looking stupid?
Nothing you have said here can change the racism reflected
Two words...gag me.
T How Lame Are You/What a Joke RE: Racism

Where to start? I simply presented a logical argument predicated on definitions the original poster was obviously unfamiliar with. So far, there is nothing in this current post that even begins to address the challenge to show what part of that "dense" post was not prejudiced, bigoted and racist, seeing as how there is no proof presented here to back up these tiresome wild-eyed accusations.
I was 15 years old when the March on Washington occurred. My mom was a political junkie, a trait that I began exhibiting at around age 12, since I admired her so much...the same way that Obama obvious admired his own mother. So I began paying attention to the civil rights movement when they desegregated my school when I was around 11. You see, down South, they were a bit slow to comply with Brown vs the Board of Educaton..and in my state, they fought tooth and nail all the way up into the early 70s before complying with the order.
I also paid attention to all things racial, because I came from what would be considered an elite, privileged background and was raised by 2 black women (maid and nanny) and a black man (gardener) who were employed in my Highland Park, Dallas Texas household (BUSH country). Back then, it was not considered "fashionable" for the wealthy to do "hands-on parenting." So, I know a thing or two about racism, bigotry and prejudice first hand. I never understood why those 3 kind, wise souls (who I loved more than anyone else in the world and every bit as I loved my own parents) were treated so horribly every time we were out in public. Consequently, I took an avid interest in the civil rights movement at the tender age of 12, began reading everything I could get my hands on regarding the subject. At age 16, I started becoming active in those movements.
Now, these facts are for you. Obama was born in 1961. The march on Washington occurred in August of 1963. The Selma to Montgomery march occurred in 1965. Those marches were not exactly spontaneous events, but rather were a culmination of years of work and organization, and Obama's "blabby" in Selma abouthis parents is perfectly chronologically consistent, unlike your LAME attempt to educate me.
Beyond that, I refuse to address this racial diatribe. I learned at an early age to DESPISE racists and have very little to nothing to do with them. I will, however, confront racism whenever I see it, without fail. Over these last 5 decades, I have developed a keen sense that enabled me to sniff out the stench of racism 1000 miles away. You, dear, are a consummate prejudiced, bigoted racist and as such, have absolutely no credibility no matter how vehemently you doest protest.
One more thing. Prejudice, bigotry and racism is an anachronism that belongs buried far back in that shameful chapter of our history and is definitely a huge part of what kind of change voters are seeking in this election...the goal being to march forward, not backwards. I for one will be on that march forward until the day I take my last ragged breath.


Racism works both ways
You say your white relative may not vote for a black man but where I live racism is alive and well coming from the black community as well. It is taught to their children, which is very sad, and they bring it into the schools as well.


If you are bothered by the racism that this election

then what about mysogyny and sexism? 


There are some Obama supporters out there sporting some Palin-bashing shirts. 


If you dont' like Obama, you are probably a racist, right?  


Oh, but there is no hate thrown at Sarah Palin?  Take a look at the link below and see for yourself.


Now, I ask you, are all of you Sarah-haters mysogynists and sexist? 


Generalizations will get you nowhere.  Yes, I am sure people won't vote for Obama because he is black, and many blacks will vote for him JUST because he is black, REGARDLESS of his policies.  I think the huge majority of people that aren't voting for him are not in agreement with his policies or don't like his character.  THAT is NOT being racist.  THAT is seeing through the rhetoric and coolness for what he truly stands for and not taking his bait.  No thanks.  I'm voting McCain. 


See the link.  (Warning, adults only)


 


Wanna talk racism?

The link below is to a radio show -- no film -- just talk.  These people could care less about the stances of either candidate or their running mates, they just want O to be elected, maybe because of his color?  They certainly don't give any other justifiable reason.



http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3


A Sharpton on TV speaking of racism still against
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