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Don't forget to stock up on those tin foil hats!

Posted By: nm on 2008-11-26
In Reply to: I'm done - Feel like I'm talking to the walls. - Kaydie

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Talk about your tin-foil hats............sm
That's probably the craziest thing I have heard here, GP, and quite frankly, I'm surprised at you. That would be like me saying that the Probamas here are not actually MTs but agents sent by the government to overtake dissenters, track down their IP addresses and have them arrested as potential traitors. Give me a BREAK!

Like I said before and will say again, there is a much larger force at work here and it involves more than most folks can probably even imagine. The only "darker agenda" at work is that of Obama and his puppeteers.
Take the tin foil hat off.........
I live and see the complete opposite of what you are spewing (hate). I have noticed how much happier and confident people are. You need to tune into the real world - I don't see anything of what you say in my city or on my freaking TV. You need to remove the tin foil hat, get some cable and try to purge that seed of hate that is eating your brain.
I don't think there will be top hats, but as for
I am sure there will be some with the name of Alice at the tea party. I will be carrying a sign "Save the trees, stop printing money." Another sign carried by my son, "Don't mortgage our future." My husband's sign, "We the people... now owned by the Chinese."

Hopefully the government and Obama will see not all the people agree with the "CHANGE."
I hope you are wearing a hat lined with tin foil
 so the rays do not penetrate your brain.  I'm convinced that people who can sit through one of his speeches have already been 'assimilated.'  (Oh, and remember to blink occasionally too.) 
hold on to your hats

The bottom is starting to drop out of this thing.  I am positive the media (who are angry already about the phony "bias" attack by McCain) will NOT let SP's silence go unnoted. 


 


oh boy...... Hang on to your hats! sm
Gonna be a long and bumpy ride, I do believe.

Good to see you back, GP! You have been missed!
Oh, I laughed at the first 10,000 "tin foil hat" posts I read.
Then it got to be sort of, what's the word I want - morose? No. Moose? No. Masonry? No. Oh yeah, now I got it - MORONIC.
Hold on to your hats. I just heard that

the democrats are going to put on a medial blitz regarding the stimulus package. They supposedly are going to blame the republicans for not wanting to pass this package, stating they don't care about the American people. (Serously, I think the pubs care more than the dems-but that's just me.)


I kept hearing about "honey bees" in this package but couldn't find it. I was listening to CSpan today. The senators are debating the package. McCain stated we don't need to spend %150M on "honey bee insurance." What?


We don't need a water park, ATV trails, etc. These can be done later.


Also, he feels we should lower the income taxes immediately by 5%; i.e., if you pay 15%, you'd be paying 10%; if you pay 10%, you'd be paying 5%. It would only cost $275B to do this, but would get things moving again. I didn't see anything in the stimulus package about that either but, of course, I didn't finish reading it yet. Senator DeMint also wants the taxes lowered on individuals.


One senator from MD wants jobs brought back home.


They expect to vote on this package by Friday. Hopefully, they'll get all the crap taken out....which will probably take it back to 4 pages.


From point #1: "Anyone who believes otherwise is a tin-foil hat fringe conspiracist."
Ah, those pinko lefty Presbyterians!!! They hate America,are unpatriotic, traitorous, out-of-touch, terrorists....did I forget anything?

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20060814&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=608140369&SectionCat=&Template=printart



Monday, August 14, 2006

9/11 book from church publishing house causes uproar
Author claims U.S. orchestrated attacks
By Peter Smith
psmith@courier-journal.com
The Courier-Journal


By Peter Smith
psmith@courier-journal.com
The Courier-Journal



The official publishing house of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) has printed a new book about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that has outraged conservatives in the church and elsewhere.

The book, Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11, written by David Ray Griffin, a professor emeritus at Claremont School of Theology in California, accuses the Bush administration of carrying out the attacks as a pretext for expanding America's demonic imperial power.

Griffin argues, among other things, that the World Trade Center towers collapsed because of secretly planted explosives -- he quotes eyewitnesses who claim that's what it looked and sounded like -- and not because airliners crashed into the buildings, causing fires.

Writers on conservative Presbyterian Web sites have been responding by saying officials of the Louisville-based denomination are out of touch with members and by calling for a boycott of Presbyterian Publishing Corp.

The corporation funds itself from book sales and has editorial independence in deciding what to publish, although its board is elected by the denomination's legislative General Assembly.

But as word of the book spreads, some Presbyterians lament that it comes as the 2.3 million-member denomination struggles with financial troubles, declining membership and a controversial General Assembly vote to open the door to ordaining gays.

It is sad that at this time in the life of our denomination, yet another silly and inflammatory step would be taken by the church's bureaucracy, said the Rev. Michael Walker, executive director of Presbyterians for Renewal, a conservative group based in Louisville.

The Rev. Parker Williamson of the North Carolina-based Presbyterian Lay Committee asked how these wild accusations make it through the editorial process.

Davis Perkins, president of the publishing company, said the book's stances are not those of the corporation or of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.).

But in recent written statements, he defended the decision to publish the book, saying it is not an off-the-wall polemic but rather a considered work with 49 pages of extensive scholarly notes.

Perkins said Griffin's claims will not be universally accepted by his readers, but the arguments supporting those claims merit careful consideration by serious-minded Christians and Americans concerned with truth and the meaning of their faith.

The publisher would not say how many of the 7,500 copies of the book have been sold since its publication last month.

The book was published under the corporation's prestigious Westminster John Knox imprint, which produces works on theology and popular spirituality from a range of scholars, including liberal and evangelical Christians and also Jews. It also produces popular works such as The Gospel According to The Simpsons.

But Perkins said such works haven't stirred controversy over whether they reflect the church's official position.

Publishing a range of views is what academic/trade publishers do, he said. The corporation publishes specifically Presbyterian works under a separate imprint, Geneva Press.

Griffin is part of a wider movement whose books and Web sites challenge the official version of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001. Similar claims by University of Wisconsin-Madison instructor Kevin Barrett have brought calls for him to be fired.

In his book, Griffin claims that the U.S. military could have intercepted the four hijacked jets if it had wanted to and that the hijacker accused of slamming an airliner into the Pentagon lacked the flying skills to do so.

Griffin calls on Christians to oppose the Bush administration's foreign policy, just as ancient Christians opposed the Roman Empire. He said that although he doesn't believe in literal evil spirits, such empires have demonic power to do great harm.

Our first allegiance must be to God, he writes. … If we believe that our political and military leaders are acting on the basis of policies that are diametrically opposed to divine purposes, it is incumbent upon us to say so.

Griffin is a member of another Protestant denomination, the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). The Presbyterian Publishing Corp. has published several of his books on theology.

Griffin said in an interview last week that for the first year and a half after Sept. 11, he believed the attacks simply were carried out by Arab terrorists angry about American foreign policy. I didn't think … even the Bush administration would do such a thing, he said.

But skeptics of the widely accepted accounts convinced him that the attacks were an inside job used to justify the administration's expansion of military powers and the adoption of the doctrine of pre-emptive war, the basis of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Griffin has written two previous books on this theme under different publishers. The third book seeks to rally church groups into challenging the official accounts.

Griffin said he's heard the recent criticisms from Presbyterians but not from anybody who's actually read the book.

It's remarkable how certain people can be that this idea is wrong, he said.

Reporter Peter Smith can be reached at (502) 582-4469.

Sheeple, wake up or put your socialist hats on!
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Hold on to your hats! Dow 7552.29 today

It dropped another 444.99 points. S&P was down to 753.59 and NASDAQ down to 1315.01.  CitiGroup is down to less than $5 a share! Dell is down to $10.50 a share. Oil is under $50 a barrel (so why is gas in my area still $2.34/gallon?)


I have a feeling it all had to do with not supporting the big 3 bailout among other things..


The government is calling for another $1.2 TRILLION to try to shore up the markets. It's a losing battle and they can't see it.


Me thinks this is the start of the big D.  Hope all of you are prepared. Stock up now. Our store had a nice sale on flour, sugar, pasta, tuna, and canned veggies and I went early this morning and spent $70. We have our beef side coming today and our pork coming next week. I still need to get paper products, especially the paper products you just can't do without, if you know what I mean.


Not sure I'd put much stock in

a not-very-scientific poll of under-18s.  I imagine they think it's...like... totally way-cool to be a hyphenated-American, whether they actually are, or not.  African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic-American,  Native-American, Vulcan-American..ya' know?  What ever....  


Back in the ླྀ's a friend of mine spent one summer with a mission group on an Indian reservation, and thereafter tried to pass herself off as full-blooded Sioux (which is unlikely when you're a blonde.)  It was just more interesting than being a white chick.


And why don't Caucasians get to use the hyphen?  Hardly anybody claims to be Irish-American, German-American, French-American, British-American (that sounds weird).


Maybe we should march and demand our rights.  Two!  Four!  Six!  Eight!  We wanna hyphenate!   Whitebread!  Whitebread!  Yeaaaaah!


I don't put much stock in polls....
however, McCain is the first to break the 50% mark. And I trust Gallup and rasmussen more than I trust Fox polls, CNN polls or other media outlet polls. Although CBS did show McCain with a lead too. Still, it is encouraging, and a pretty big whoop...lol
stock market
Everybody was playing on the fear factor. Panic sets in and everybody starts selling. According to what I have heard, there are now great stock buys and that is what they are seeing.

Everybody gets so wrapped up in this "sky is falling" mentality and that is what the government hopes.

All their little nay sayers trying to scare the sense out of everybody but what they are hearing from their constiuents say do NOT say yes to the bill. The people do not believe that everything is going to h@ll in a hand basket if they vote NO to the bill.

I'm sure a lot more votes would have been yes yesterday if it had not been for their constituents faxing, calling, and e-mailing telling them they oppose such bailout.
Well here we go. Stock market -411.30 plus

Barney Fife writing proposal now to bail out the automakers with $25B stipulating GOVERNMENT OWNERSHIP.


The government is backing away from buying troubled mortgages and now are going to put it in an investment program taking capital. The facts changed.  His approach is to give banks enough cash to keep homes on the books and keep cash in the banks.


They will not bail out those people who shouldn't have taken out the loans in the first place.


American Express is jumping on the bailout wagon requesting $3.5B.


They really opened a can of worms here.


So the stock market's down.... sm
How bad is it?  According to the article linked below...........

With Thursday’s rout, $8.3 trillion in stock market wealth has been erased in the last 13 months.

For more info......  http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/business/21markets.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
Stock Surge

March 13, 2009 8:42 AM


Citi Execs Make Killing On Stock Surge


Posted by Daniel Carty

 


Citigroup's recent upbeat news about its profitability has driven Wall Street's surge this week, but it also generated $2.2 million for four executives who bought millions of shares of company stock nine days ago, reports Bloomberg.

According to regulatory filings, director Roberto Hernandez bought 6 million shares on March 2 for an average price of $1.25. The stock touched a record low of $0.97 on March 5, but five days later CEO Vikram Pandit issued an internal memo saying the bank turned a profit over the first two months of the year. That news drove Citi shares up 47 percent to its Thursday close of $1.52, giving Hernandez a $1.7 million profit on paper, reports the news agency.

"You’re supposed to buy when everyone else is selling,” Bruce Foerster, a former Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. managing director who now runs South Beach Capital Markets in Miami, told Bloomberg. He said banks have internal monitoring systems to keep an eye on executive trades and prevent abuses.

Other executives include Latin America CEO Manuel Medina-Mora, who bought 1.5 million shares on March 3 at an average price of $1.24, Vice Chairman Lewis Kaden with 100,000 shares and controller John Gerspach with 65,000, reports Bloomberg.

In the last year, Citi's stock value has plummeted 95 percent as the company has suffered five straight quarters of losses.

Hernandez said he plans to step down from Citi's board after the bank's annual meeting in April but will keep his non-executive chairmanship of the company's Mexican bank, Banamex, reports Bloomberg.


So what!!!! Where were you when the stock market went down
Haven't you learned your lesson yet. You only comment on a good day and remain silent with the rest of the crats on a bad day.

How many people on this board have been telling you to quit commenting every time the market hiccups. But you feel this need to only comment when it goes up.

Your post is not worth the time reading.
Where women are little more than breeding stock???
If some women were a little more discerning about who they slept with and a little more careful about taking precautions, we would not have to fix 2000+ "oopses" in a day. So go right ahead...fund irresponsibility, infanticide, and baby killing. Knock yourself out. Make planned parenthood richer. don't you think there is something sick about making a profit from killing babies??
Hm-m-m. Anybody notice the stock market is up, and

financial gained 16% today. That's curious. Can someone explain why?


I just think it's because the stocks were so low yesterday that it was a buyer's market.


 


 


The stock market went from +250 to -150 after the vote. nm
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Stock up on blankets and firewood...... sm
It's gonna be a looooong hard winter.

I'm thankful that I do have fireplace and I know how to cook on an open fire if I need to. I have 2 redneck sons who can go shoot us some vittles, that is until the gun police come and confiscate them. I really feel for those folks in the cities who have no alternative but electric heat and what they can cook on their electric stove.
Have you noticed how the stock market goes up
or how the media has been fueling that engine by pushing and pushing and obsessing over the cabinet appointments in search of dirt to dig up on them?

Obama has been trying to give voters a little reassurance, but I supposed lots of folks will find something wrong with that too.
The stock market will never, ever, see another dime of

Maybe you shouldn't put too much stock in left-

leaning polling companies, Mrs.  The fact, Obamanation's poll numbers are dropping and dramatically.  However, I don't think he cares a fig.  His real agenda is to destroy the economy, and when anarchy comes and his mask removed, he'll institute marshal law, and set himself up as dictator.  That's his plan and those who pull his marionette strings.  He is tooooooooooooo stoooooooooopid to do it on his own.  That's what he has surrounded himself with left-wing America hating "experts."  You'll be singing a different tune before long.


 


 


that's your problem. You put too much stock in a book written
Why do people say no flames please when they make inflamatory statements? You must like the attention.
Bush is NOT in charge of the stock market

Wall Street,. Nancy Pelosi, Barney Fife, and the others are making it worse with all their stupid ideas.


They WANT this to happen and give more stimulus checks to people so the people will think they are the greatest since apple pie. 


I don't see any of them trying to figure out what to do that will help us except throw money away to the groups that are keeping the money to pay their bonuses and take trips.


who cares about the stock market anymore? it's
my stock-based 401K is all but gone, and even if i had the money next year, or ever, not a cent of it will ever go back into the stock market's house of cards. so i personally dont give a rip what happens to it from here on out.
And the stock market LOVES it while Boy Wonder flits around!
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Excuse me? Sorry, I was diversifying my stock portfolio
don't care about the debate - just stated my opinion. And, yes, I like sitting on my butt and making money = "open your own company." Mmmm hmmm. Works like a charm, eh?
Senator Sold Stock Before Price Dropped

Martha Stewart comes to mind.


Shares Fell Two Weeks Later



By Jonathan M. Katz
Associated Press
Wednesday, September 21, 2005; Page A03



Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a potential presidential candidate in 2008, sold all his stock in his family's hospital corporation about two weeks before it issued a disappointing earnings report and the price fell nearly 15 percent.


Frist held an undisclosed amount of stock in Hospital Corporation of America, based in Nashville, the nation's largest for-profit hospital chain. On June 13, he instructed the trustee managing the assets to sell his HCA shares and those of his wife and children, said Amy Call, a spokeswoman for Frist.







 

 

 

 

 


 

Frist's shares were sold by July 1 and those of his wife and children by July 8, Call said. The trustee decided when to sell the shares, and the Tennessee Republican had no control over the exact time they were sold, she said.


HCA shares peaked at midyear, climbing to $58.22 a share on June 22. After slipping slightly for two weeks, the price fell to $49.90 on July 13 after the company announced its quarterly earnings would not meet analysts' expectations. On Tuesday, the shares closed at $48.76.


The value of Frist's stock at the time of the sale was not disclosed. Earlier this year, he reported holding blind trusts valued at $7 million to $35 million.


Blind trusts are used to avoid conflicts of interest. Assets are turned over to a trustee who manages them without divulging any purchases or sales and reports only the total value and income earned to the owner.


To keep the trust blind, Frist was not allowed to know how much HCA stock he owned, Call said, but he was allowed to ask for all of it to be sold.


Frist, a surgeon first elected to the Senate in 1994, had been criticized for maintaining the holdings while dealing with legislation affecting the medical industry and managed care. Call said the Senate Select Committee on Ethics has found nothing wrong with Frist's holdings in the company in a blind trust.


To avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest, Senator Frist went beyond what ethics requires and sold the stock, Call said. Asked why he had not done so before, she said, I don't know that he's been worried about it in the past.


An HCA spokesman said the company had no part in Frist's decision.


Frist's father, Thomas, founded the company, and his brother, Thomas Jr., is a director and leading stockholder. The family is worth $1.1 billion, according to Forbes magazine.


HCA -- formerly known as Columbia HCA Healthcare Corp. -- has been a top contributor to the senator's campaigns, donating $83,450 since 1989, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.


The sale of the shares was first reported by Congressional Quarterly.



Guess that 1-day stock market rally didn't exactly
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The economy was ruined by corporate greed, stock
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They're the laughing stock of the journalistic community. LOL
nm
don't stock investors have a lot to loose if dems get in the white house again?
just asking because this company's business is investments and stocks
I saw Jim Cramer this morning too. I have J&J stock and my 401K through Merrill Lynch
I am really upset and not sure what to do.

Stock Market diving since Obama spoke today.
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McCain has fogotten the stock market crash, mortgage/credit crisis,
unemployment rates, job losses, stagnant wages, rising prices in gas, food, health care, etc, etc, etc.
Yes, AJ, don't forget the
**liberal media**. When all else fails, just blame them. I wonder how long before they start attacking Fitzgerald.
I will never forget what he said.

He conned me, just like he conned those in Congress who voted for the war against Iraq.  I believed him when he said Iraq was involved with 9/11, and I wholeheartedly supported his war against Iraq for the reasons he gave. 


But he didn't lie about his personal sex life, so his lies don't count to some people.


But don't forget -

Bush no longer cares about Bin Laden (and obviously Al Qaeda and the Taliban).


Also don't forget that Bush's reckless failure to nail 150 Taliban members is really Clinton's fault. 


Don't forget
Reagan and G.W. Bush also have been accused of rape.  Check it out.  Please don't say that the Democrats have cornered the market on this.  Even Eisenhower had a mistress.
Let's not forget...
:}
yea, and don't forget
--
Don't forget
the one I just used before reading your post..."airhead."  LOL. 
Lest we forget...

This is for those with poor memories:


http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv


But let us not forget
Harry Reid, who said "The War Is Lost."  How totally irresponsible, not to mention a total disgrace to our troops.  I have such respect for their selflessness.  I'm literally in awe of them. I  get that lump in the throat thing when I see them.  We owe them SO much!
Also, don't forget

his famous "signing statements," like when he signed the law against torture and then quietly came back later and basically added that he doesn't have to obey that law if he doesn't want to.


http://www.democracynow.org/2006/3/27/bush_signs_statements_to_bypass_torture


I also find it astonishing that some people really believe that Democrats run Congress.  The House may have a Democratic majority, but the Republicans still have the majority in the Senate.  The Senate needs 60 Democrats in order to avoid a Republican fillibuster, and to my knowledge, they still don't have that number, even though they picked up a few seats in this year's election, so the Republicans can still continue to control the "do-nothing Congress."


(I hope this post makes sense.  Not feeling well and need to take meds and go to bed. )


As always, let's just forget anything that
for Obama and move on to other issues, such as how we never gave President Bush a chance to succeed, we never showed showed him an ounce of respect but we demand it for Obama, yada, yada, yada....whatever. Just be sure and ignore anything about Obama that is a little iffy, shove it under the rug and bow down. But, of course, there is no bias here.
lest you all forget.....sm
The electoral vote has not yet taken place and will not taken place until ---shoot, no calendar so I may be off on the date, but I believe it is December 10th. Not that I would want to actually see a change to the outcome of the election because I can't even begin to imagine the chaos that would ensue, but nothing is yet concrete. Don't come blasting at me; I am not expressing an opinion, simply stating a fact.
How soon we forget about

Or whatever name the woman was dubbed for going on TV and shouting that after he's in office her..."mortgage will be paid...gas in her car...bills paid...yada, yada, yada"...how soon we forget about that huh?


I am saddened that most people cannot see past the fact that Obama is a black man, period. To some, that's all the qualification he needs. He may very well be the perfect man for the job, be he black or white, or whatever, but I'm afraid he'll never be given the chance to prove that because so many are just fixated on the fact that he's black...so sad.


I do have to add that I did not vote for Obama, not because he's black, but because I disagree with his views. Even my 10 YO son said today that it doesn't matter what color his skin is, it matters what kind of a man he is, and he is so right. Obama is much more than that, but most just can't see past his ethnicity and that's so sad and surely not what he (or MLK) would have wanted.