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Honey chile, I was bred, born and raised in the deep south. LOL

Posted By: gourdpainter on 2008-10-25
In Reply to: 'The South Will Rise Again?" - sm




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South America...... Maybe Chile or Peru. sm
No special reason.... Just always wanted to go to SA.
As a born and bred
Chicago baby, I can say you are 100% right!
The deep south was on target ;-) nm
 
and I live in the deep south so do not know any autoworkers - nm
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Born and raised in Chatta
Left there years ago but still visit some, went to high school there, Red Bank. I still get the News Free Press on line to make sure everything on the up and up there.
He was born to a Muslim father and raised Muslim
for a time. You don't get to choose to drop out of that religion. Doesn't matter if you were born into it and didn't choose it to begin with. Leaving earns you a death sentence, especially such a public conversion to another religion.  Why does he get to be a Christian now and nobody in radical Islam is calling for his head on pike?  Unless.......
He is Muslim, born Muslim, raised Muslim
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It doesn't matter WHERE he was born. He was born to an American citizen so he is sm
a native American.
Obama was born in US, his FATHER was born in Kenya, check it out and sm
Do you really think the campaign would have gotten this far if he was born in Kenya? Did Hannity tell you that? LOL!!!!
natural born does not mean you have to be born physically in the US -
My daughter was born in Germany, but because I am an American she is an American. She has no problems and is considered natural born - that just means you did not have to go through the hoops to become an American citizen.
The South

If all you intelligent people from other areas think the South is so rotten then why are you all flocking here?  If the Northeast, Northwest, Midwest, and the left coast are full of enlightened tolerant individuals then why come to the ignorant, racist backwater South?


Truth is, you've screwed up your own homeplaces with such nit picky liberal rules and extreme taxation it's unbearable, but you'd never admit that. 


BTW, 3/4 of the my neighbors are black, and they are the best neighbors I've ever had!  We've got each other's backs 


The song doesn't pertain to racism and violence it talks about pride in where you come from, and telling people where to get off when they judge you on blantantly ignorant generalizations.


Lastly, I'm not a racist, and I'm not violent, and Sweet Home Alabama is one of the greatest rock songs ever, period!   Deal with it!


What about South Dakota
SD has always been a very conservative state, and they voted down an abortion law. This had nothing to do with voting republican or demacrat, conservative or liberal. This was a vote on a law to totally outlaw abortion, and it was voted down.
I live in the South too s/m
I bet if you start researching you'll find displaced auto workers in your area.  A lot of them have settled in NW Arkansas to take advantage of work with Wal-Mart and their suppliers.  You people who love to research via Fox News and Youtube might do well to get out there and research with people who have BTDT.  Then you might get the TRUE picture.  I doubt you'll find a single WORKER who gets paid for playing checkers...now the upper brass might be a different story.
'The South Will Rise Again?"
Obviously you've never lived in the deep south.

The only thing folks down here are going to 'rise' is the welfare ranks.

Too stupid, too poor, and too lazy to organze a war.
Besides, the guys with all the nerve are already in Iraq.
Chinese buying up south CA

They don't want to buy any more of our debt, as our $ is almost worthless.  They've been buying up homes in southern CA big-time.  They already know that this most liberal "plan" will make the US self-destruct.


Those who voted for this man and refused to listen to many of us who said h'ed do this, don't cry to me.  This is merely the beginning.


NK wants to take back South Korea

I think that's part of the problem. They have "unification" parties all over the north. The people in the north don't get any outside news except what NK wants them to have. At least that's my take on it.  I hope their missles do fizzle out. I'm sure the nitwit will definitely push it to the brink.


As he states (and did we REALLY start the Korean War?):


"This is another foul product of the U.S.-led international oppression to disarm the DPRK and to suffocate it economically for forcing the Korean people to give up their idea and system.


If the U.S. imperialists start another war, ignorant of the ignominious defeat they had sustained in the past Korean war, the army and people of Korea will determinedly answer "sanctions" with retaliation and "confrontation" with all-out confrontation, the counter-measure based on the Songun idea, wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all and achieve the cause of national reunification without fail."


"The truth about South Ossetia"

Remember in the last couple of months when McCain announced, "Today, we are all Georgians"?


I think Putin is taking a "wait and see" approach to the new USA President.  Bush has certainly heated up the "Cold War" during his eight years in office.  While there is not much reason to trust Putin, there's even less reason for Putin to trust the USA.


We can't forget the conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia and, more importantly, the sequence of events related to that conflict.  I would encourage anyone who has forgotten that Georgia was the aggressor (with our help) to click on the link below.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/31/russia-georgia


 


Yes, but families are in Mexico and South America.
That was my point. Of course, I have no idea what prices are down there. Never been.
We are in deep doo doo!

This country is crying out for help.  Government spending is WAY out of control.   This is one major reason that I am not voting for Obama.  In his charismatic talk of change, he is wanting to spend more money on these so called programs to help the poor and the middle class.  Raising taxes will not bail our country out of the situation we have found ourselves in.  All I hear about nowadays is how Bush has dragged this country down and now all republicans are bad.  Congress is controlled by democrats.  They are just as guilty in all this government spending crap.  All politicians are to blame for this.  Stop the outrageous spending!!!!!  Stop padding your pockets full of money while the rest of the country struggles to live!  All politicians care about is getting in office and making money for themselves.  Do they really stop to think about our country and the long-term effects? 


I don't know that McCain has all the answers to help pull us out, but at least I have more faith in him.  At least he isn't wanting to create government programs that will up the spending and will ultimately fail to achieve anything.  Universal healthcare is not the answer.  Doesn't work for other countries....why would it work for this one?  Everyone keeps saying how Obama will cut taxes....all of these government programs will not cut taxes.  They will increase them.....simple as that.


The true evil here is government spending.  STOP THE GOVERNMENT SPENDING!!!!  They can tax us until we have absolutely no money left whatsoever and the government would just spend it all and that is the problem.


Now there you go, off the deep end
as a person for a change, not a Republican, not a Democrat, just another person trying to make this a better place to live, trying to follow her heart.
Off the deep end a bit, are we?
we should not hand over the keys to the kingdom over to those who would turn us all into Disneyland denizens.
You need to take several deep breaths

you have let your perceptions get the best of you.  I was not aware, until this thread that Carla had lost someone in Iraq this year.  Some of us have not been here as long as others and don't read the hundreds of threads to pick these little nuances up.  I'm sorry you have such a huge chip on your shoulder, and if I offended Carla and you I'm sorry, but it still does not change my opinion on the larger issues at hand.


You really have blown some issues out of proportion, most definitely this one.


Someone here fell off the deep end
But that's OK, the moderator knows individual people are making these posts.  And one always has the option of emailing a poster privately and getting a response if they were truly concerned about someone's identity.  I suppose its easier on the ego to think one person is making these observations, instead of realizing several people are agreeing, lending more validity to the point.  I've had muliple posters disagree with me before, and never once jumped to the conclusion they were all the same person.  It caused me instead to ponder perhaps I was in the wrong...but I guess we all handle these things diferently, huh?
You mean like his mom and grandmother who raised him?
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This is the question being raised? Where would
nm
Going off the deep end, gt, getting even more bizarre as time goes by. nm

Fact remains...your guy is in just as deep...
and dirty, and McCain at least tried to head it off, while your guy became their #2 recipient. Now THAT is an INCONVIENIENT truth. lol.
You know better deep inside, which is why you're
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It's not hate, is deep concern
I don't hate Obama. I think he's a fine person. Great with giving speeches and beautiful family. Personally I will enjoy hearing his voice give a speech over McCains voice and was really getting sick of hearing "my friends" in every other sentance of a speech McCain gave. So it's not that I or others hate Obama. Unlike the hate we have seen from the other side.

What it is is very deep concerns that everything we have worked for and everything we aspire for and live for and save for and teach our kids is going to change for the worse. I do not think Obama is qualified to be president. I don't and that is my opinion. Evidently other people do feel otherwise and therefore he became president (which I still have doubts that a president is really elected by the people - I think he was already picked a long time ago). But my gut feeling is the same exact feeling I had for Clinton. He promised us so much while he was campaigning and once he got in he screwed the country royally. This is the same feeling.

I hope I am wrong and honestly if I am wrong and if he does do good things I WILL be on this board and admit that I am wrong. But at the same time when I hear and read that he is doing somthing wrong, not fullfilling (sp?) his campaign promises I will also be on this board posting too.

I will admit that I am not always right, but when I feel strongly and when I feel I am right I speak my mind.

My main concern is his redistribution of weath. I'll tell you if my taxes go up so that people like that girl (forget her name) who said it was a historic moment and never in her whole life did she ever think she would not have to work to pay her mortgate and would not have to work to buy gas - if my taxes go up so that way she can pay her rent and gas and bills because I had to put in an extra 10 hours of work to pay the extra taxes for HER!!!!! You can bet your you know what I'm going to be on this board screaming and shouting.

But DH and I were talking and we said maybe it is someone like Obama who will finally be able to do something right and fight for Americans. One never knows. So if he does I will come on and admit I was wrong.
This is off the deep end and it serves no useful purpose
If that is what you want to believe, so be it. I agree with absolutely nothing you have said and I also feel confident that I understand exactly what he meant and who he is.
How about something original...your wonder boy is in deep crap...
and he knows it...just 2 weeks in and already can't remember what he promised. The coming 4 years are going to be great to watch; the Messiah implodes, millions who have been hoodwinked will have their eyes opened and they will STILL blame Bush.
You know you'll drown in the deep end
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Another deep political thinker
Obviously, one of those mindless lemmings the Democrats count on so very much, who will follow the Big BO right over the edge of the cliff, chirping merrily away all the way down to the bottom.
Recruitment is low because they RAISED their quota. And, they
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from his teens on he was raised by maternal

I just read he was raised by his maternal white grandparents from his teen years to adulthood and all thru college....


But that's not what I meant.....I meant when he is campaigning (I should have made that more clear in the last post) - in every state - I see a predominance of white people.  I do not believe white people are a majority today and if so many like/love Obama, how come from state-to-state I MAINLY see whites?  Again, this is strictly a curious question and not the least bit racist intended........I'm white....


I know black people who are voting for him, personally and famous, voting for him - but on TV and in the campaign only state-to-state, I only see whites...


She has raised most all her kids while in some form...
of public service. I think she is fully capable of raising this one. I see no evidence to the contrary.

Come on now...are you saying that if the Obamas had a down's child and he was elected that Michelle should just stay in the white house and raise him and not do what the first ladies normally do? They travel, they give speeches, yada yada.

Palin's husband will be of help. It's not like she is going to be in DC, just she and Trig with no help whatsoever.

Yes, he is a down's baby, but he is perfectly healthy in every other way.
Well, so far the Dems have raised as issues...
Sarah palin's pregnant daughter and her pastor. Anyone who talked about obama's pastor got sliced and diced. Talk about gutter politics. And glaring double standard.

Whatever Palin is, she is NOT a Marxist/socialist, and it is patently obvious the change Obama wants...as David ALinsky stands by and cheers.
In reply to the concerns you raised.
My first reaction when reading your post was one of curiosity. I was an IC during the latter Clinton years and I do not recall paying 40% of my earnings to tax. What I remember was an aggregate tax payment composed of income tax, social security tax and self-employment tax, which essentially represented a burden I shouldered as an IC that compensated for the lack of employer contribution to SS, Medicare and FICA. To my knowledge, this tax structure has not changed since then for ICs. I also remember paying my taxes quarterly, and being responsible for calculating enough tax not only to cover my required amounts, but also to pay in extra each time if I wanted to generate a return at the end of the year. I made a decision NOT to be an independent contractor because I was a single parent with a mortgage. The self-employment levy felt like double tax to me as compared to what I had been accustomed to as an employee and, most definitely the total percentage of tax burden as an IC was greater than that of a full employee status.

On checking my returns from those years (which I still keep in the house) I find the total tax burden I had for all the components of my tax liability amounted to 27%. I am wondering if you did not get a return back then because you did not contribute more than the minimum rate during the course of the year and that later on, your contributions did allow you to have a return. Also, to account for the lower rate during Bush years, did your family situation change between Clinton years and Bush years, did you get married, have children, add an earned income tax credit deduction, add dependents, start itemizing your taxes. All these changes would account for a lower percentage rate of your tax liability, thus allowing for a return.

I am also wondering why you would look back instead of forward when assessing the issue of whether or not you will be "taxed more." Have you read Obama's tax plan? If not, please go to this link and take a look. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#tax-relief
Essentially this is what you will find (please excuse the format challenges of cut and paste).
Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.
• Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
• Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less than $50,000: Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This proposal will eliminate income taxes for 7 million seniors and provide these seniors with an average savings of $1,400 each year. Under the Obama plan, 27 million American seniors will also not need to file an income tax return.
• Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.

It also might be worthwhile to check out the plan on the economy here
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
Scroll down to At a Glance and browse the links of interest to you.

Here's the link for healthcare
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Again, scroll down to At a Glance and select links of interest.

I have provided Obama website links because you expressed doubts about democratic policy. McCain's website also should have similar information available on these issues as well for your comparison. After reviewing the information (if you were not already familiar with it), ask yourself where the information is coming from that is making you fearful that your taxes will be raised. I would really be interested in any response you may feel inclined to post in this regard. On a personal note, I will not be trusting McCain with the economy or with handling my HARD EARNED tax money. I do NOT want one more single penny to be used to fund the war, bankroll Israel's apartheid and nuclear weapons arsenal, prop up our struggling corporations or trickle up into the pockets of the richest among us in the form of continued Bush tax cuts to the rich, which McCain has openly stated he will continue if elected.
So what? I know people that were raised as practicing -
witches. Doesn't mean they're all gonna drop a house on someone.
He was raised by his "white" grandmother.
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Congratulations, you have obviously raised your daughter right.
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My children have always been raised with boundries . . . s/m
and consequences, and that's why they are exceptionally ethical, compassionate young adults, straight-A students, and, in general, wonderful human beings well on their way to being productive, responsible grown adults.  I am their parent first, always.  I have instilled them with the information and tools to make wise decisions, and this seems to be working well for me and them.
Lurker, Raven, you really went off the deep end this time. sm

This is from Dean's World, which is a liberal website, by the way.  Even this liberal doesn't agree with you. Your Bush Derangement Syndrome has taken an even darker and deeper turn.  You might want to spend more time watching the animals and contemplating where all this hatred comes from.  


November 29, 2003



Obnoxious


One of the more shallow memes of the current war goes like this:


Isn't it shameful that President Bush hasn't attended the funerals of very many of the service men who have fallen in this war?


Anyone who thinks very hard about this knows this is an incredibly shallow criticism. Otherwise, the great Generals and Presidents of history, such as Roosevelt, Eisenhower, MacAurther, Patton, Lincoln, and Grant would have never done anything with their time except attend funerals.


Still, if you need to know what history shows, then ask a veteran. As Gulf War veteran John Cole notes, no President has ever regularly attended military funerals.


That's right. Franklin Roosevelt didn't. Harry Truman didn't. Dwight Eisenhower didn't. John F. Kennedy didn't. Lyndon Johnson didn't. Richard Nixon didn't. Ford and Carter didn't. Reagan attended more than most Presidents ever did, but still usually didn't. Bush the Elder usually didn't. Clinton did a couple of times, but mostly didn't.


What if we go all the way back to Presidents like Abraham Lincoln, or George Washington? Turns out that they didn't either.


Why? Because if they did, they would do almost nothing else.


The President of the United States is the leader of hundreds of millions of people. Part of his job is to command hundreds of thousands of people in the military. The next time you vote for a President, I hope you think very hard about that, because that's one of the most important things any President ever does.


But one thing he generally doesn't do is attend the funeral of every fallen service man. Mind you, a good one wishes he could attend every such funeral. A good one feels it like a knife in his gut every time a soldier falls. But he can't be there every time a soldier falls. He just can't.


If you don't understand that, then, to be blunt, you lack maturity



Yep, the above-mentioned was just put on MSNBC. Hardly digging deep for
exist, as you said, and I was hoping to alert someone to that with my post. Thanks for the support.
It's called your brain. It's somewhere in that deep skull (nm)
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And you are so deep in denial a forklift couldn't....
drag you out. Repeat after me: ohhhhbaaaamaaaa.

Gag me is right!!
Very sincere here, I know the country is in deep trouble with the ......sm
constantly-growing unemployment lines, the banking crisis, stock market debacle, fall-out of our gross national product, growing mortgage crises, etc., but as much as I support our President and feels that he has the initiative, the drive, the intelligence, altruism, the humanitarianism, etc., to get this country turned around (and boy do we need a total 180 degree here), I really feel it is being pushed way too aggressively and hastily,.....haste makes more waste, and boy we do not need more of THAT.  I see many good ideas in the O plan,  and we certainly need a change in the banking laws, corporate tax structure, etc., but I have been reading as much as I can, and I have to agree with the moderate Republicans (is the sky falling yet?), there is a lot of JUNK in the Obama Solution that is really just contributing more to our national debt, and will not do anything substantial for the common folk, which is supposedly what this whole Bill is about.  There is suffering and people are desperate, but if we pass the wrong plan, we will be living with even more misery and debt that our great-grandchildren will not even be able to pay off.  Good solid social programs, yes, educational programs, yes, work programs, yes, help with our medical system, yes, but man, there are so many pet projects in their it looks like a lobbyist's dream.  Slow down a bit, think a lot more, and perhaps we can really trim that "baby" into a truly successful plan!!  Okay, off the , call me SCARED and confused, yes democrats have open minds and limits to spending!
Well my son is being raised in an all white family (stepdad)
I don't know how Obama was raised but maybe it has something to do with it.
and he was raised by his radical islamic stepfather

Be very aware..........


and if his wife is a member of the CFR - trust me, he's involved too.....


New World Order - New American Century - Skull and Bones - read up on it.........


You're confused - she was raised in Idaho
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I was raised by very conservative, strict parents. - sm
But once you get beyond high school, and into college or out into the working world, you meet so many different kinds of people. I'd be lying if I said I got along with all of them (or even maybe most of them?) But in my own experience, beginning back when I met the first gay person I ever knew (he had his own horse, and he let me ride it all the time), my personal friendships have been good ones. I wouldn't trade any of them for anything, and feel sad when I think they sometimes have to live certain aspects of their lives as ƈnd-class' citizens. Especially when each and every one contributes so much to society, and to life in general. So I really have no idea, as well.