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I beg to differ on all three of the companies you labeled make crappy cars...

Posted By: MtMommyof2 on 2009-03-06
In Reply to: - which will be well-deserved, for making gas-guzzlers - that cost too much & wear out too soon.

I have had 2 Ford's in my life, my husband has had one and they are most reliable cars ever..the same goes for Chrysler and GM...I happen to live in Ohio where we have Ford, Chrysler and GM within a 20-mile radius of my house...it is sad because it is really affecting the economy around here with them closing...I for one would never buy a foreign car...My Dad retired from Chrysler and my Grandfather retired from Ford...


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If you thought oil companies make big profits...

Note these were 2005 figures....no telling what they are raking in now.  It is not about choice for Planned Parenthood.  It is about MONEY.


Planned Parenthood Reports Record Profits, Abortions Performed     


Received largest amount of taxpayer funding to date, nearly $273 million.







Planned Parenthood Federation of America released its 2004-2005 Annual Report on June 1, revealing a record income of $882 million and Planned Parenthood’s second-highest profit of $63 million. The organization also set a record number of abortions performed in one year¯255,015¯ and an all-time low in adoption referrals: 180 abortions were performed for every one woman referred to an adoption agency.


The organization is using these alarming numbers to promote their services and gain customers.


“Planned Parenthood will use any means or any claim to lure more customers and money,” said Wendy Wright, President of Concerned Women for America (CWA). “It insists that the morning-after pill will reduce abortions. Yet Planned Parenthood posts its highest number of abortions committed at the same time as its aggressive campaign promoting and selling the morning-after pill.”

On top of its $63 million profit, Planned Parenthood last year received its largest sum of state and federal taxpayer funding ever: $272.7 million, making Planned Parenthood the recipient of $3.9 billion of taxpayer money since 1987.

"During that time [Planned Parenthood] has surgically aborted more than 3.8 million babies in the womb. Just think of all the positive programs that could have benefited from our tax dollars had they not been wasted on such destructive efforts," said Jim Sedlak, the director of STOPP International, an organization specifically created to counter or “stop” Planned Parenthood, in a statement.

These funds, however, have not impeded any efforts for further government funding from the government.

“Planned Parenthood must assume that elected officials can't read a simple annual report,” said Sedlak in LifeNews.com, criticizing the organization for its perpetual “begging” for government funding despite its large profits. The organization’s greed may be because without the federal government to give them taxpayer dollars, the overall general public would not support them.

President Ronald Reagan in 1983, on the 10th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, wrote:


Our nationwide policy of abortion-on-demand through all nine months of pregnancy was neither voted for by our people nor enacted by our legislators-- not a single state had such unrestricted abortion before the Supreme Court decreed it to be national policy in 1973.

Planned Parenthood’s desperation is currently seen in South Dakota, where it is seeking support from Washington, D.C., to counter the abortion ban signed into law by Gov. Mike Rounds (R) on March 6. The law makes it a felony for doctors to perform an abortion, except in order to save the life of the mother, and it is the most extensive abortion ban since Roe v. Wade.


The Planned Parenthood Web site that serves Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota denounces the abortion ban, stating, “This unconstitutional law is too restrictive and does not reflect the values of most South Dakotans nor most Americans.”


Wendy Wright disagrees. “If the South Dakota ban did not reflect the views of South Dakotans, then Planned Parenthood could rely on those citizens to fund its attempt to overturn the law passed by the majority of its representatives and signed by the governor,” she said. “But never shy to demand money from taxpayers, corporations, customers or donors, its affiliate director crossed the country to pass the hat among Washington, D.C., elites.”

South Dakota has paved the way for other states to create similar measures. Operation Rescue reports that five other states, Indiana, Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio and Kentucky, have introduced similar bans in their legislatures.

The Louisiana Senate just passed a conditional ban on abortion that would automatically be effective upon the overturning of Roe v. Wade or enactment of a constitutional amendment prohibiting abortion. The law makes exceptions to save the life of the mother or to prevent any permanent or critical injuries. Once the law is effective, those who perform abortions could be subject to up to 10 years in prison and be fined as much as $100,000.

Planned Parenthood is misguided to think that most people are ready and willing to combat current trends by states to ban abortion. Its eagerness in appealing to elected officials in Washington for continued taxpayer funding reveals Planned Parenthood’s inability to appeal to the American people for direct support.


“With Planned Parenthood’s record profits, it is funding a campaign to drum up opposition to abstinence programs and demand more government money,” said Wright. “Americans should use Planned Parenthood’s Annual Report to show government officials that as tax dollars given to Planned Parenthood have increased, so has its number of abortions.”


And here is something I did not know...check the quote below by Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood....red font.  I was appalled.


EDITORIAL: Planned Parenthood targets blacks



Monday, August 25, 2008



 

Abortion protesters call on politicians to reject donations from Planned Parenthood and other such groups.


Planned Parenthood, a self-styled "health care provider" and "informed educator" on women's sexual health, has been promoting abortion since its inception in 1916. This has had a devastating affect on America.


Since the 1973 Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade, which overturned most state and federal laws outlawing or restricting abortion, an estimated 48,6 million babies have been aborted, according to the National Right to Life Committee. In particular, blacks are disproportionately impacted by abortion. Is Planned Parenthood deliberately acting to reduce the black population? Is it practicing a form of eugenics?


According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit organization focused on sexual and reproductive health research, 13 percent of the U.S. population is black, but 37 percent of all abortions are performed on black women. More than 10 million black babies have been aborted since 1973. Black women are 4.8 times as likely as white women to have an abortion. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also indicates that one out of every five white pregnancies ends in abortion, whereas one out of every two black pregnancies ends in abortion.


In a July op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, former Bush speechwriter and current Journal columnist William McGurn, rightly called upon the NAACP to be more active in providing alternative organizations for pregnant black women - institutions that will support them rather than speedily eliminate the unborn. He cites the moving words of Alveda King, a niece of the Rev. Martin Luther King, who had two abortions and subsequently changed her perspective: "I remember when I was pregnant and considering a third abortion. I went to Daddy King [her grandfather]. He told me, 'that's a baby, not a blob of tissue.' Unfortunately, 14 million African-Americans are not here today because of legalized abortion. It's as if a plague swept through America's cities and towns and took one of every four of us."


Fortunately, Miss King and others - such as the Rev. Clenard Childress, founder of Black Genocide.org, Day Garner of the National Black Pro-Life Union and Levon Yuille of the National Black Pro-Life Caucus - are bringing attention to Planned Parenthood's deliberate focus on minority neighborhoods. One-third of all abortions performed by Planned Parenthood in 2007 were on blacks, and a majority of Planned Parenthood's clinics are in minority neighborhoods.


A recent video on YouTube showed a Planned Parenthood development director eagerly taking money specifically to be earmarked for the elimination of black children. One caller said he wanted to do this because there are "definitely too many black people in Ohio." And the receptionist simply said, "O.K." Similar incidents in seven other states have sparked a call for a congressional investigation of Planned Parenthood - and we concur.


Congress must also put an end to the $300 million in tax dollars given last year to Planned Parenthood - the nation's leading abortion provider. The phone calls were made by California pro-life advocates in order to test the theory that Planned Parenthood deliberately targets the black population.


Margaret Sanger, who founded what is now Planned Parenthood, wrote a letter in 1939 to Clarence Gamble, with whom she was partnering to promote birth control and abortions in the black community: "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."


In a protest outside a Planned Parenthood office in April, the Rev. Jesse Peterson, a conservative black minister from Los Angeles, told the crowd "before you go to bed tonight, more than 1,500 babies will be killed in a black woman's womb."


Planned Parenthood has also been accused of targeting other minority groups, including Hispanics, Asians and Native Americans. Approximately 30 percent of American women are nonwhite. However, acccording to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, 60 percent of all abortions performed annually are on African American, Hispanic and Asian women. A Hispanic baby, for example, is three times more likely to be aborted than a white baby. Abortion rates among Asian women are twice that of white women. Planned Parenthood insists it does not target nonwhites. Defenders of Planned Parenthood argue that the disproportionate rate of abortions among nonwhite women is due to the fact that white women have less "unintended pregnancies."


Abortion is a tragedy regardless of the ethnic or racial composition of the victim. But when a specific population is targeted for elimination, it is an abomination. Congress should stiffen its moral spine.


Verryyy interesting.


Yeah, real weird. The left would say she was crappy if if she was funny...
Not surprising.

By the way, maybe she wasn't funny because SNL gave her a crappy script.


Ever think of it that way? They hate her too, ya know....
Well, it's official my day is shot. Obama was inaugerated AND I'm getting crappy dictation!
I just can't win today! 
Fillibuster is a crappy way to do business, no matter which party you are, JMHO.
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First of all......GM cars are not

crappy cars.  I've had several GM vehicles that I've run the wheels off of.  My whole family buys nothing but GM vehicles and we all prefer them over other vehicles.  Secondly, the reason GM started to build bigger vehicles that used more gas was because gas wasn't so expensive then and that is what the consumers wanted was bigger SUVs, trucks, etc.  People didn't start to complain until gas prices went through the roof. 


GM was fine until the economy took a crap.  When the economy was booming they could afford big salaries for CEOs and paying the union loads of money, etc.  They could afford the legacy costs, health care, and pensions.  Now since no dealer is having much luck selling vehicles, it is kind of hard to pay for all those expenses when people can't buy vehicles, are too afraid to buy vehicles, or are dumb enough to buy foreign pieces of crap instead.


Candidates cars
This was fun to read

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160091
JM = 2 cars registered; CM = 11 cars registered ------->> sm
John McCain can't even raise his arms above his shoulders to comb his hair. He barely drives, if at all. Cindy does most of the driving, as she has said in the past.

Cindy is a multimillionaire. John is not.

So what?


Doesn't anyone wonder how Barack and Michelle Obama gets to and from work and kid stuff with only one car?

My bet is someone has limo service paid by the tax payer.

Maybe JM does too, who knows and who cares??????

This story is a whole lot of nothing, designed to make all the little people (of which I am one, although doesn't bother me).....up in arms because someone with a rich wife has a lot of money and a lot of cars.



SO WHAT!!!!!!!


Sheesh.....like this is really newsworthy......



Chinese cars....
Did anyone see the video of the chinese car crash test? Don't think I will be buying any Chinese made car. The crash test dummy was demolished. the car crumbled like a tin can in a can crusher.
Foreign cars are not better or cheaper.

If they are cheaper it is because they are literally that....cheaper cars.  You pay for what you get.  I've seen so many American made cars throughout my family where they have put 200,000+ miles on vehicles and they keep going.  I've driven so many different types of vehicles since my husband runs a car dealership and I have to say that American trumps foreign any day in my opinion.  I will NEVER own a foreign car.  Ain't happenin.  You will more than likely see my happy butt in a Chevy of some type.  I'm currently driving a Chevy Uplander and I friggin LOVE it!  I have no problem telling someone their vehicle is a foreign piece of crap.  In fact, I recently told my best friend's sister that was what her Honda was.  LOL!


Right on! We paid off our modest house/cars. We
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Toyota and Honda build cars in the USA

Didn't you know that? They have been here for years. Do you hear them begging for a bailout? Nope. Because they build decent cars.


The 3 big ones didn't bother to take heed during the last gas crunch and didn't learn a dang thing. If they did, we would have good cars now. GM built a good motor; the V6 3 liter engine. Our Old's Delta 98 (big luxury car)  V6 got 30 MPH. Our Buick LeSabre gets 28 MPH. Why didn't they put those engines in all their cars?


Because the AMERICAN PEOPLE wanted big, bad SUVs and V8 engines. So...if you want to sell cars, you build what people want.


Just like political arena, as soon as something goes wrong in America, they blame the president. As soon as high gas prices hit, they blamed the car companies and turn their backs on them and now they're in a mess. BUT, it doesn't mean they shouldn't have been working on alternate energy cars. Prius, made by Toyota, has been out for a few years now; 48 MPH.  Can't buy one now because that's what everybody wants. Yet when they first came out, hardly any takers.


So, it's not all the fault of the president or car companies. Think about it.


 


Stop importing foreign cars won't help a bit

People in this country want them because they get better gas mileage. Like I said before, Toyota has plants here in America and they are doing good.


The problem with the big 3 is they sat back and forgot about the past (1970s gas crunch), not into the future. They got a winner with those big SUVs and decided, "Hey, let's concentrate on all the big SUVs, big V8s, etc. That's what the American people want" and they did want them.


Car dealers are falling by the wayside in large numbers because of the problems, too. Lots of them are closing because they can't hang on any longer.


People have been buying foreign cars
for years.  What does that have to do with losing our jobs due to fewer patient visits to doctors or hospitals?  Actually, a lot of so-called American-made cars are made in Mexico, like the PT Cruiser.  In fact, a lot of cars are made in Mexico because of cheap labor, including VW.
Once against falsely labeled
I have called no one three stooges.  It aint me, babe..do..do..do..it aint me, babe, it aint me you are looking for, babe.  Was not I.
They labeled themselves once SP entered the mix.
Feminists for Life of America, a bipolar schizoaffective collection of right-wing fringers who delude themselves into believing they can call themselves feminists and still be telling the truth.
Don't see anything labeled "Christianity Day"
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Here is a link. Proud to own american made cars.

http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2008/11/05/auto-makers-look-good-for-bigger-govt-bailout/


 


 


I agree that we need to buy American made products, in particular cars...
but that entails the idea that we can make cars just as affordable as foreign companies.  Right now we have the same problem here as we do with the oil industry.  Huge tax breaks for foreign industry and we can't compete. 
BT, I am sooo with you, we also finally paid the mortgage, the cars are ours....sm
and no more credit, bad debts and loans killed the economy and Wall Street. Just providing for our 3 kids and making ends meet is the daily challenge, but we have each other and a good extended family, I so hope that the good thing that comes out of this crisis is LESS MATERIALISM in this country, back to simpler living and being happy with less!
Wow, you don't even know me and you have labeled me. How fair-minded of you.
Can you even see how silly you are?  Probably not. 
I am in the same boat, labeled a hater.sm
All I want is accountability and truth.
Before I get labeled an anti-semite...
since I have already been branded with the B word...let me please invite everyone to read the entire thread between Maryland Gal, myself, and others.  I have never, nor would I ever, compare any of the Jewish race to Hitler, nor would I compare abortion to what Hitler did (other than in the general sense I believe both to be murder).  That being said, the point I was trying to make is that when morals decline and the moral compass turns and what used to be unacceptable and horrific becomes acceptable, people like Hitler can rise up and convince thousands of people that it is all right to exterminate a race of people simply because they believe them to be inferior or subhuman.  It happened once and it could happen again.  And it starts as people begin to rationalize things like abortion.  And assisted suicide.  And euthanasia (check out how Holland handles euthanasia right now today and you will see what I mean).  That was my only point entirely.  I certainly do not hate the Jewish people.  I certainly do not minimize what happened to them, nothing can compare with how horrific that was.  Many American soldiers died fighting to stop it.  That is what America does.  We point at what we believe to be wrong and say so.  At least we used to.  I am just concerned that the less we point and the more we turn our heads, the worse it will be for us, especially with the threat facing us today.  And what Maryland Gal needs to understand is I am not pointing at her and I am not pointing at the Jewish faith.  I am pointing at a practice I believe to be wrong, which I still believe to be wrong. 
yeah, plus you are automatically labeled a
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I see the left has labeled the right with yet another acronym....
Please provide your complete definition of "femocon"

I can only guess you mean feminist/conservative, but I really don't want to guess what's in your mind.

In the real world, it's a real word, for some kind of condenser for lenses in a camera. Look it up online.


Oh my. and here I was expecting to be labeled a "messiah." LOL
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It's kinda fun to watch you playing mental bumper cars
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No extremists like you have labeled him a jerk and racist

He hasn't proven anything.  To liberals accusation is a verdict.  Mr. Bennett has written a book of virtues.  Why don't you hold your accusation/label until you've read that book..not that I expect you will.  Anyone who knows Bennett and his work know he's not a racist.  He was taken out of context and that was that.  He stated a hypothetical situation and in the next breath said it would be morally reprehensible.


You  may think us conservatives are so illiterate that we would just believe the baloney taken from context, but you are wrong.


Geez, that is the first time I'm been labeled a psychopath

Just because I reported something truthful? Ya better watch the news. I've been called a red neck, bible totin' gunslinger or whatever I was called during the election phase, but never a psychopath. I guess I'll have to add psychopath to my resume.


All I'm doing is asking a simple questionable reason for this to be happening.  Don't need you're sarcasm.


Beg to differ

Actually, Robertson is probably part of the White House staff.


And actually Robertson probably broke a law when he threatened Chavez life.  That's not free speech anymore.


I beg to differ, try looking it up
PNAC is real and what American Woman posted is real. You need to learn to research things yourself instead of believing what you hear out of Bill O'Reilly or Hannity et al. Try Google someday and look it up. You might actually get ::gasp:: informed!
I beg to differ

 


  My point in bringing this up was not about stem cell research, was not about Democrats or Republicans using people as props, it was simply and only about 1 man ridiculing another. I saw the original Rush, I saw the MJF ad, I saw the Rush apology. I was reacting to the original Rush and I thought it was over the top cruel. Whether or not MJF was on meds or not on meds was not my point. My point was that a young man has Parkinson's and a person in a position to reach thousands ridiculed him and in watching the initial video I was really sickened. It was just so cruel. So that is my point, the fact that Rush did a despicable thing, in my opinion. That's all.  My post was not to address stem cell research or political pandering or any of the other ludicrous things people say and do to get into office. It was a mere statement that one able bodied man made fun of one who is not, in words and actions.


AS an aside, if MJF had made that ad for the other side, say he was on TV , appearing exactly as he did in the Democratic ad and he said something along the lines of **I have Parkinson's and although it is devastating as you can see, stem cell research is not the way to go.** would you have thought he was being manipulative or off his meds or acting. Would you judge him as harshly??


I beg to differ....
Marines Discover Terror Training Camp Near Baghdad
Wednesday, April 16, 2003

BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. forces came upon a recently abandoned terrorist training camp on the outskirts of Baghdad where recruits were apparently taught how to make bombs and what to do if they got captured, the Marines said Wednesday.

The extensive camp consisted of about 20 permanent buildings on 25 acres south of the city and was operated by the Iraqi government and the Palestine Liberation Front, said Marine spokesman Cpl. John Hoellwarth.

Among the documents found were filled-out questionnaires that included such questions as "What type of missions would you like to carry out?" according to Hoellwarth. He said many recruits wanted to carry out suicide missions.

The camp included an obstacle course and what appeared to be a prison, to teach terrorists what to do if captured and interrogated, Hoellwarth said.

Recruits were also apparently taught how to make bombs, he said. The Marines found chemicals, beakers and pipes.

Hoellwarth said uniforms and gas masks were also left behind, along with bread and other food, suggesting the place had been used fairly recently.

And more:
Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2003 11:10 p.m. EDT
Press Reported Extensively on Iraq-9/11 Links

Confounded by a recent Washington Post poll that showed 69 percent of Americans now believe that Iraq had a hand in the 9/11 attacks, journalists are pressing the Bush administration to deny the notion unequivocally - in an apparent bid to undermine what for many was the most compelling rationale for making war on Baghdad earlier this year.

That why reporters this week questioned Vice President Di*k Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and even President Bush on whether they believed that Iraq had anything to do with the kamikaze attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

But if reporters really want to know why Americans see ties between Baghdad and 9/11, they need look no further than their own archives, where they'll find repeated and as yet undisputed reports documenting compelling evidence of Iraq's role in the attacks.

A Lexis Nexis search for the three months after 9/11 turned up no fewer than 85 mainstream news reports describing, for instance, activities at the terrorist training camp Salman Pak.

Here's what the New York Times said about the camp six weeks after 9/11:

"New information does suggest that Mr. Hussein was actively training terrorists to attack American interests throughout the 1990's.

"One example is the testimony of Sabah Khodada, a captain in the Iraqi army who emigrated to Texas in May after working for eight years at what he described as a terrorist training camp at a bend in the Tigris River just southeast of Baghdad."

According to the Times, Khodada described the camp as "a highly secret installation" where "non-Iraqi Arabs from Persian Gulf countries, including Saudi Arabia" received training in "assassinations, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, hijacking of buses, hijacking of trains, and all other kinds of operations related to terrorism."

In comments unmentioned by the Times but covered by PBS, Khodada said that when he saw the twin towers fall he thought to himself, "This was done by graduates of Salman Pak."

Here's how National Public Radio characterized Iraq's link to the 9/11 attacks in a report the same month:

"The case against Iraq is based on three things. First, Mohamed Atta, believed to be the key organizer of the September 11th attacks, met earlier this year with an Iraqi agent in Prague.

"Second, Iraq's stockpiled anthrax as a biological weapon.

"And third, recent allegations that there's a camp in Iraq where foreign terrorists are trained. The allegation about the terrorist training camp comes through a recent Iraqi defector. According to this story, the camp is located near the town of Salman Pak, southeast of Baghdad, and it contains a Boeing jetliner that could be used to train hijackers how to seize a plane."

Charles Deulfer, former Deputy Head, U.N. Special Commission for Iraq, told NPR, "There were lots of places in Iraq where training of non-Iraqis, or things, which by our lexicon would be considered terrorism, was taking place. That's why Iraq is on the terrorist list. Having a large aircraft, a 707, in a peninsula, completely visible from the air or from satellite, with no airline runways nearby, that's not there by accident."

"Meet the Press" host Tim Russert, who last week claimed that "no one" believes in an Iraq-9/11 link, was also singing a different tune in December 2001.

Interviewing Vice President Dk Cheney, Russert cited the then-recent comments of former CIA Director James Woolsey.

"We know that at Salman Pak, on the southern edge of Baghdad, five different eyewitnesses - three Iraqi defectors and two American U.N. Inspectors - have said - and now there are aerial photographs to show it - a Boeing 707 that was used for training of hijackers, including non-Iraqi hijackers trained very secretly to take over airplanes with knives."

Russert then displayed satellite imagery of Salman Pak for his audience, telling Cheney, "And we have photographs. As you can see that little white speck – and there it is, the plane on the ground in Iraq used to train non-Iraqi hijackers."

Then the NBC newsman asked incredulously, "Do you still believe there's no evidence that Iraq was involved in September 11?"

New York Times columnist William Safire went even further, detailing in late October 2001 extensive ties between bin Laden, his henchmen and Saddam's intelligence service leading up to 9/11.

"Faruq Hijazi, in 1994 Saddam's secret service director and now his ambassador to Turkey, has had a series of meetings with bin Laden. These began in Sudan, arranged by Hassan al-Tourabi, the Sudanese Muslim leader, and continued in Afghanistan. The conspiracy was furthered in Baghdad in 1998 between bin Laden's No. 2 man, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Saddam's vice president, Taha Yasin Ramadan."

Safire continued, "To strengthen Saddam's position in the Arab world during his 1998 crisis with the U.N., bin Laden established the 'World Islamic Front for Jihad Against the Jews and the Crusaders.' The Muslim-in-name Iraqi dictator reciprocated by promising secure refuge in Iraq for bin Laden and his key lieutenants if they were forced to flee Afghanistan."

More from Safire:

"Bin Laden sent a delegation of his top AL Qaeda terrorists to Baghdad on April 25, 1998, to attend the grand celebration that week of Saddam's birthday. It was then that Saddam's bloody-minded son Uday agreed to receive several hundred Al Qaeda recruits for terrorist training in techniques unavailable in Afghanistan.

"That Baghdad birthday party, according to an unpublished spying report, celebrated something else: Uday Hussein's agreement with bin Laden's men to formally establish a joint force consisting of some of Al Qaeda's fiercest 'Afghan Arab' fighters and the covert combatants in Iraqi intelligence unit 999."

With the exception of Mohamed Atta's meeting with Iraqi intelligence in Prague, none of the above information has ever been disputed. In fact, in May of this year, Manhattan U.S. District Judge Harold Baer ruled that Iraq played a material role in the 9/11 attacks in a case brought against Baghdad by families of two World Trade Center victims.

But for a mainstream press that now seems primarily interested in making the case that President Bush made war on Iraq under false pretenses, these old reports and dozens more like them are suddenly very inconvenient. That's why they've disappeared down the media's collective memory hole.

Unfortunately, President Bush gave reporters a giant helping hand in perpetuating their cover-up when he said on Wednesday that even he didn't see any evidence tying Iraq to 9/11.

The White House is said to be reluctant to press the issue because CIA Director George Tenet has dismissed all evidence of a connection. The Salman Pak defectors, for instance, were reportedly treated dismissively in interviews with CIA debriefers who showed no interest in pursuing a possible Iraq-9/11 link.

Selective memory is a wonderful thing, ain't it??
Beg to differ on this.
In this regard, I don't think that 30 years of experience is a political liability, nor do I think choosing him is contradictory to the progressive change message. An example (of many) would be Biden's expertise in foreign policy, though certainly that is not all he brings to the table. This is one of the areas where change is most urgently needed. Fareed Zakharia interviewed Obama on his GPS program last weekend. For those fortunate enough to hear it, any doubts that Obama is right for this role would have been dispelled. He spoke with eloquence, confidence and strength about his rich understanding of Islamic principles, parties, politics and cultures. He, more than any other politician (including Biden) in recent times, expresses and manifests the VISION our country needs to turn the politics of war into the politics of effective diplomacy. As a perfect complement, Biden brings the bricks and mortar needed to transform this vision into a reality that, not only will clean up the mess we currently find ourselves in, but will also, in the long-term, help to restore the credibility and respect we have lost in the international community during the past 8 years…something that comes in mighty handy in the war on terrorism, that is of course, if peace on earth is the goal.

Joe Biden helps mitigate right-wing accusations of elitism by bringing his appeal to the middle-class worker into play. Washington DC is not Joe Biden's comfort zone. To borrow a few media buzz words, the kitchen table politics as exercised in coffee shops along the way by a daily AmTrak single father/husband/family man commuter are more his style. His dedication to domestic violence initiatives over time resonates strongly among those whose lives are directly impacted by this tragedy. This issue is not exactly a top priority among upper crust elitists. He helps to energize some of our country's most disenfranchised, whose turnout to vote could play a pivotal role in the outcome of this election.

Not enough experience versus too much experience. Some can find fault on opposite ends of any spectrum in their quests to generate discontent and doubt. What is important here (in terms of "change" and "hope") is whether or not an old-timer (or a relative newcomer, for that matter) has the capacity to approach the problems we face and the failures we must address in the spirit of finding new, fresh, inspiring and progressive proposals and the ability to gain consensus and MOVE FORWARD, away from the bipartisan bickering and politics as usual dogma that has brought us to this dark hour in our nation's history. Personally, I believe Joe Biden possesses all the qualities necessary to apply hard-earned lessons to a progressive agenda that are completely consistent with campaign message of hope and change.

I beg to differ but there are

many mothers who work full-time jobs and have children.  In this day in age, it is very difficult to have only a one income family.  Your thinking of woman staying home to be barefoot and pregnant is so outdated it is not funny.  This reminds me of my mother's yearbook where each student had listed their life ambition and about every woman put "to be a housewife."  Things have changed since the 50s.


Once again, why is this only directed to SP?  Obama has young children.  Why is it so crucial to say that SP should stay home to take care of her children instead of running for VP and not say the same for Obama and running for president.  A dad is just as important as a mom....so if you use this against SP...the same can be said against Obama.


So let us return to the 21st century where women have careers as well as children.


Beg to differ
"only what is told to you in your buildings you visit each week to get your weekly dose of brainshwashing)"

Now that's bitter. I'm not sure what church you went to, but in the building I visit, we are not taught to hate others but to love one another, regardless of how they act towards you. BUT, that does not mean we are to lay down, roll over, and let someone take this country down a road to destruction and destroy the very thing where so many before us came in hopes of making their lives better,i.e., hard work with the hope of actually becoming profitable.

You are right though about Obama.......the the core he is a Muslim, and they don't believe in letting you be rewarded for your hard work.

"My Muslim faith" wsa enough except for those who refuse to see and he said with his own mouth he is a Muslim, and not just by birth.

You make a good point when you say they contradict themselves. They accuse Christians of hating gays but Obama says he is a Christian. O lovers do hate it when you back them in a corner.

I would beg to differ with
It's the democratic congress that has ruined this country. Bush DOES NOT have absolute power. Did you real this entire post from the OP? Did it not frighten you that God Almighty could very likely turn his back on our country? I know when I read the scripture quoted in this post, it literally brought tears to my eyes. It scares me! America needs to WAKE UP...
I beg to differ.....(sm)

*I certainly have no problem with atheists, agnostics or whatever posting their lack of religious views that affect their political views.*


Uhhhh...if that were true you wouldn't be raising such a stink right now...LOL.


I beg to differ
I would give no credibility to Youtube period.  I am not looking for anything to praise Obama for....yet.  Time will tell.  If time tells he has done a good job I'm sure it will be reported in the regular news.  If he does bad the same will happen.  Fox News will make sure of that!
I beg to differ.......... sm
Bringing in the link about Johnston's mother's drug charges were intended to further the case against Palin.

As for hostility, no, I'm not hostile. I'm just tired of seeing people raked over the coals again and again for things that are beyond their control. What good purpose does it serve? Does it make you feel somehow morally superior that your daugther is not pregnant without the benefit of marriage or that your child's boy/girlfriend's mother hasn't been brought up on drug charges?

Give it a rest and get a life already.
I beg to differ.
The points BB made and the issues she raised will remain burned in the memories of many those who suffered through his 8 years of h*ll on earth.
I have to beg to differ here........... sm
Government programs are fine for those who have fallen on hard times and are unable to care for their children, and granted, there are others who abuse the system. However, an unmarried woman who is on disability and already draws assistance from the government for the care of her existing 6 children should not go on to birth 8 more children and expect the government to take care of her and them. This was no accidental pregnancy, this was a carefully planned and executed pregnancy done by in vitro. While this does not make in vitro in and of itself wrong, it does show an extreme lack of common sense and good judgment by a woman who does it for selfish purposes, that being her own admission that she wanted children because they would love her and not leave her, and who obviously cannot afford the children she has, much less 8 more. It also shows a disturbing lack of concern for other people, people who will be footing the bill for her and her brood for a long time to come in a state where there is basically no money left and is having to lay off over 20,000 people as it is. How can you say that it is nobody's business but her own? Seems to me it is the entire state of California's business as they are the ones who will be supporting her.

I won't even go into the logistics of caring for 14 children, all under the age of, what, 6 or 7 and 8 of them newborns.
I beg to differ
I live in a small village in SW Iowa (population 8- though 1 is in a nursing home for now). Contrary to popular belief, some of us are actually quite literate, can punctuate and use proper English, both American and The Queen's. We don't all have wheat chaff between her lips, nor do we all chew tobacco. We don't all vote Republican and some of actually managed to get beyond the 6th grade. We don't all read the bible, nor do we all marry at 16.

So, please, stop assuming everyone whose conduct you don't approve is from the midwest. Obnoxious knows no geographical boundaries.
GMAC Resumes Sub-Prime Loans In Order To Sell Cars

So, let's see.  I know that I have been known to lapse into a coma from time to time, but haven't we been here before - making subprime loans in order to stimulate sales and to hell with what happens next? 


Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please, but I'm having such a strange sense of deja vu here. 


Just like the criticism of anything liberal gets labeled Bush lover
Those in glass houses best not throw stones.
Or disagreeing with Bush gets you labeled a terrorist sympathizer?

The most absurd label to date.


People who want less gov't interference in their lives (CONSERVATIVES) are being labeled..sm
Those who attend the Tea Parties are being labeled "right wing extremists." As an organizer of a Tea Party in my town, I am going to wear that label with pride. Below is the quote from the Dept. of Homeland Security:

On the eve of the nationwide tax day Tea Parties, Barack Obama's DHS has issued a "rightwing" threat assessment to warn of the "current economic and political climate fueling resurgence in radicalization and recruitment" for "rightwing extremism." Who are these extremists? According to the report, adherants are rimarily "hate-oriented" or "antigovernment" but also include "individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."

Personally, I think it is more than quite a coincidence that Obama's DHS is warning of the "rightwing" threat on the eve of the Tea Parties! This is a blatant attempt to taint the efforts of those who are standing for a patriotic, idea-based resistance.

Anything or anyone who does not toe the Obamarama line or has not drunk the kook-aid, is automatically considered a "right wing extremist."

There is a 10 page document put out by an office which is a branch of the Dept Homeland Security called "The Extremism and Radicalization Branch, Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division. Coordinated with the FBI.

There are 4 words that should make you very nervous....COORDINATED WITH THE FBI. Below is the link to download or read the PDF file.

http://api.ning.com/files/UNNlkOVukw8cXztJc4bDEq2ztrm9owekwvHofmLwYgxLlpwX8*h1av8amHehbYkmt3Qvxny16Gh1ob8gFYeRrw2HVq-joU7Y/hsarightwingextremism0904071.pdf

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Remember,Rome decayed from within.

Ok, off my soapbox.

It's interesting how radical liberals have labeled themselves "moderate"...
and anyone who is conservative has been labeled extreme. I really think that it depends on who you are. I feel that gay marriage is an extremely liberal thing to support, as do, apparently, the majority voters in California, yet the liberal left would have us believe that being against gay marriage is extreme and for it is moderate. Just something to think about.
This is where our beliefs differ...sm
*...and we need to support our country's efforts in Iraq and support the men and women who are there trying to keep just this thing from happening.*

Your Rush Limbaugh cup runneth over. Sure anything can happen in America, but it is ridiculous to believe that us pulling out of Iraq is going to be our death certificate. That somehow we will just lie down and surrender the USA to Arabs.

where our beliefs differ....
I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh on a regular basis (unlike some liberals, I am fully capable of forming an opinion without the help of others), and the opinion I stated is my own. Ever heard the old saying the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step...? Well, every time we pull out of somewhere or ignore an opportunity (like Bill Clinton did out of Somalia, like Bill Clinton did in NONreponse to HOW many terrorist attacks during his presidency) we lay the groundwork for defeat. What makes you think that the same waffling liberals now won't be the same waffling liberals who run to Canada or anywhere else they can if we are attacked here? Tell me, Democrat, why should I believe you or put faith in your party who want to run yet again, to NOT to just lie down and surrender the USA to terrorists? Please tell me how I can have confidence in that? Because you SAY you will?? You need to understand these people...every weakness you show empowers them. They would see us pulling out now as a great victory. Maybe YOU want to give them that. I DO NOT.
I beg to differ. The crowds were not as big...sm
as 2+ million but the excitement was exactly the same.
I beg to differ but Obama

does have an agenda and a long list of things he has promised already.  Just because he just moved in doesn't mean he can't make a moronic decision right now.  He is already trying to pass a stimulus bill that I feel won't do a darn bit of good.  I have a right to look at his promises and and see which ones I think are good and which ones are bad.  I have a right to watch him from day 1 to see what his intentions are.  It really bothers me that you people think we should just sit back and wait for something bad to happen before we start questioning things.  Things are going on now....yes...even in his first week.  This doesn't mean I'm not giving him a chance.  I accept that he is my commander and chief.  I have the highest respect for him for becoming the first African American president.  He is a good speaker....minus some of the uuuuuuuhs....and I think his two little girls are adorable. 


It is my job as an American citizen to take pride in my country and want what is best and in doing so....I have to watch and make sure that the people who have been voted into office are doing the right thing for America....not their own personal purses and wallets.  I have a right to question what he wants to do.  I have a right to contact my congressman and senators and let them know if I think they are idiots or not.  That doesn't mean I'm not giving them a chance....but I am watching closely.