I agree that we need to buy American made products, in particular cars...
Posted By: Just the big bad on 2008-11-08
In Reply to: Exactly. Need to BUY AMERICAN PRODUCTS - NOT FOREIGN MADE CARS.
but that entails the idea that we can make cars just as affordable as foreign companies. Right now we have the same problem here as we do with the oil industry. Huge tax breaks for foreign industry and we can't compete.
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I was brought up Buy American made products, keep American jobs.
Always bought American made cars and bought products from companies where my family was employed. Now look at America? We are definitely connected all around the world.
My feeling? Obama states he wants to start from the poor upward. Not the other way around like it has been for quite awhile. That to me does not necessarily mean just in America, but around the world by taking the poorest countries and working upward so America's pay wages and everything else will be so low and comparable to the poorest countries. After all, we are now connected together.
Cannot wait to see what will happen with the Swine flu this fall with the second wave and what it will do to the economy of all the countries combined at once.
Here is a link. Proud to own american made cars.
http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2008/11/05/auto-makers-look-good-for-bigger-govt-bailout/
Exactly. Need to BUY AMERICAN PRODUCTS
Part of it is our fault for buying foreign made cars. Yes, the 3 car companies need to make better quality cars. I have a post about the 3 car companies just 2 above this.
American made
I gladly pay more if necessary to buy American made but it is getting so hard to find anything made in America. Remember when Wal-Mart's slogan was "Buy American" and now it's "Bring It Home to America?" I don't shop there since Sam died and the whole goshdanged conglomerate changed. They sell JUNK made in China and everywhere but America. We need to start thinking American jobs and to do that we have to quit buying just "cheap" and as someone else said, you usually get what you pay for. I wouldn't think of buying fruits and vegetables from Wal-Mart anyway, they're imported and there is something just disgusting about stuff that is grown with human fertilizer!
American made
and fuel systems. He does not work directly for one of the big 3 but his company ( very large, world-wide) has been feeling the trickle down for years. You are right that there are not perfect alternatives available currently to solve all of our problems but there are alternatives to help reduce the impact of the $4/gallon gas prices (that have gotten a lot of us in a mess). There are also many alternatives to the giant SUVs that the American makers push with the interest rates and financing. Why do you think the Hummer became so common place? Because they were thinking of stopping production but decided to lower the price, create a smaller version, and market it as being a family car. Now after a couple years people are finding it is still a gas guzzling SUV.
My husband and I have seen trouble brewing in automotive for the past 5-6 years. He's a creature of habit, I would have gotten out of the field while I could...but that's a whole other story.
It has been obvious in the discussions that he has told me about his through his employer that many did not want to sink a lot of money into technology and fuel system alternatives. They thought this was a fad that would blow by and society would stick with the (cheaper production) gas systems.
As you can tell, I am very bitter toward the industry and this mess that I feel they have gotten themselves in. A company does not go bankrupt in 30 days. 3 major companies all sinking at the same time? Coincidental to me.
Personally I hate to see it could potentially impact our life greatly if my husband loses his job but my overwhelming opinion is that these companies have been bad for a while and maybe 1 or 2 need to fade away to give the remaining strength to survive.
And plenty of American-made weapons!
It's a shame when the only place you can find "Made in the USA" any more is on weapons!
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/CNN_U.S._weapons_create_Gaza_civilian_0102.html
Totally agree, American Woman!
Happily too they seem to congregate in easily identifiable groups - too risky to be a lone liar apparently:) I like your name by the way, hehe.
I agree. cow poop is made by cows.
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I agree with that, she made an 'evil pact'..nm
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I agree. thought she made a total
jerk of herself, and did she imply he did not work hard for every advance he has made in the military! These people should learn to have some civility. It apparently is the going thing now to demoralize and humiliate people. I wonder why our kids are turning into rabid packs at their schools?
I wonder if contraception products
will be the next thing to be outlawed. 
I agree, I was responding to some of the ugly remarks made below nm
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Agree. The booing from the crowd today made me
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Again my point is made - you just like arguing and bashing people that don't agree with you
Your bringing up a dead subject while shouting it at us. You started an abortion post on 8/25 and bashed everyone who didn't agree with you, and you were bashing people on 8/22 about the same subject. Everytime someone brought up their viewpoint you be arguing or bashing them. The point I (and others) are making is you keep bringing this up again and again and again and again and when people don't agree with you you bash them, then when they come back to say something you bash them even more. Then when we finally get a break and have new topics, you start another post about the abortion thing again. The abortion issue is getting tiring for all. We know what abortions are, how horrible they are, and we know how babies are made and the stages of their lives (we are MT's and all took the course) but you feel the need to keep it up and up and up and it's getting real old. Besides that it looks like you are posting under other names and then answering yourself.
I want to read people's opinions and questions of issues we are facing. Abortion is not one of them for most of us. Let it go and move on. What I am trying to say is that while I'd like to hear your viewpoints on other issues enough with the abortion and try and not be so argumentative all the time.
Yes, we all have the right to post things, but it looks like you are posting just for the sake of arguing and we're all getting tired of it.
So go ahead bash me some more.
Better than the waste products of your posting...
gutter level would elevate them. And to think that I annoy you...frankly makes my day. Thanks for sharing.
How about we tax the PRODUCTS that make people fat, sm
rather than "fatness"? Modified food starch, high fructose corn syrup, soy oils hidden in products? Imagine how much $$ we could make for so-called children's health programs if we actually taxed the items (like SODA POP and crappy snacks) that are MAKING THEM FAT in the first place!
So businesses can use foreign labor for their products and services? nm
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First of all......GM cars are not
crappy cars. I've had several GM vehicles that I've run the wheels off of. My whole family buys nothing but GM vehicles and we all prefer them over other vehicles. Secondly, the reason GM started to build bigger vehicles that used more gas was because gas wasn't so expensive then and that is what the consumers wanted was bigger SUVs, trucks, etc. People didn't start to complain until gas prices went through the roof.
GM was fine until the economy took a crap. When the economy was booming they could afford big salaries for CEOs and paying the union loads of money, etc. They could afford the legacy costs, health care, and pensions. Now since no dealer is having much luck selling vehicles, it is kind of hard to pay for all those expenses when people can't buy vehicles, are too afraid to buy vehicles, or are dumb enough to buy foreign pieces of crap instead.
Candidates cars
This was fun to read
http://www.newsweek.com/id/160091
JM = 2 cars registered; CM = 11 cars registered ------->> sm
John McCain can't even raise his arms above his shoulders to comb his hair. He barely drives, if at all. Cindy does most of the driving, as she has said in the past.
Cindy is a multimillionaire. John is not.
So what?
Doesn't anyone wonder how Barack and Michelle Obama gets to and from work and kid stuff with only one car?
My bet is someone has limo service paid by the tax payer.
Maybe JM does too, who knows and who cares??????
This story is a whole lot of nothing, designed to make all the little people (of which I am one, although doesn't bother me).....up in arms because someone with a rich wife has a lot of money and a lot of cars.
SO WHAT!!!!!!!
Sheesh.....like this is really newsworthy......
Chinese cars....
Did anyone see the video of the chinese car crash test? Don't think I will be buying any Chinese made car. The crash test dummy was demolished. the car crumbled like a tin can in a can crusher.
Any child born to American parents is an American -
I am sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you - any child born to American parents is an American even if they are born overseas. The birth has to be registered with the United States, but they are still an American even if they are born in the foreign hospital.
I have 2 cousins who were born in Japan and they have no problems at all being "American".
Foreign cars are not better or cheaper.
If they are cheaper it is because they are literally that....cheaper cars. You pay for what you get. I've seen so many American made cars throughout my family where they have put 200,000+ miles on vehicles and they keep going. I've driven so many different types of vehicles since my husband runs a car dealership and I have to say that American trumps foreign any day in my opinion. I will NEVER own a foreign car. Ain't happenin. You will more than likely see my happy butt in a Chevy of some type. I'm currently driving a Chevy Uplander and I friggin LOVE it! I have no problem telling someone their vehicle is a foreign piece of crap. In fact, I recently told my best friend's sister that was what her Honda was. LOL!
Right on! We paid off our modest house/cars. We
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Toyota and Honda build cars in the USA
Didn't you know that? They have been here for years. Do you hear them begging for a bailout? Nope. Because they build decent cars.
The 3 big ones didn't bother to take heed during the last gas crunch and didn't learn a dang thing. If they did, we would have good cars now. GM built a good motor; the V6 3 liter engine. Our Old's Delta 98 (big luxury car) V6 got 30 MPH. Our Buick LeSabre gets 28 MPH. Why didn't they put those engines in all their cars?
Because the AMERICAN PEOPLE wanted big, bad SUVs and V8 engines. So...if you want to sell cars, you build what people want.
Just like political arena, as soon as something goes wrong in America, they blame the president. As soon as high gas prices hit, they blamed the car companies and turn their backs on them and now they're in a mess. BUT, it doesn't mean they shouldn't have been working on alternate energy cars. Prius, made by Toyota, has been out for a few years now; 48 MPH. Can't buy one now because that's what everybody wants. Yet when they first came out, hardly any takers.
So, it's not all the fault of the president or car companies. Think about it.
Stop importing foreign cars won't help a bit
People in this country want them because they get better gas mileage. Like I said before, Toyota has plants here in America and they are doing good.
The problem with the big 3 is they sat back and forgot about the past (1970s gas crunch), not into the future. They got a winner with those big SUVs and decided, "Hey, let's concentrate on all the big SUVs, big V8s, etc. That's what the American people want" and they did want them.
Car dealers are falling by the wayside in large numbers because of the problems, too. Lots of them are closing because they can't hang on any longer.
People have been buying foreign cars
for years. What does that have to do with losing our jobs due to fewer patient visits to doctors or hospitals? Actually, a lot of so-called American-made cars are made in Mexico, like the PT Cruiser. In fact, a lot of cars are made in Mexico because of cheap labor, including VW.
BT, I am sooo with you, we also finally paid the mortgage, the cars are ours....sm
and no more credit, bad debts and loans killed the economy and Wall Street. Just providing for our 3 kids and making ends meet is the daily challenge, but we have each other and a good extended family, I so hope that the good thing that comes out of this crisis is LESS MATERIALISM in this country, back to simpler living and being happy with less!
I beg to differ on all three of the companies you labeled make crappy cars...
I have had 2 Ford's in my life, my husband has had one and they are most reliable cars ever..the same goes for Chrysler and GM...I happen to live in Ohio where we have Ford, Chrysler and GM within a 20-mile radius of my house...it is sad because it is really affecting the economy around here with them closing...I for one would never buy a foreign car...My Dad retired from Chrysler and my Grandfather retired from Ford...
It's kinda fun to watch you playing mental bumper cars
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GMAC Resumes Sub-Prime Loans In Order To Sell Cars
So, let's see. I know that I have been known to lapse into a coma from time to time, but haven't we been here before - making subprime loans in order to stimulate sales and to hell with what happens next?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please, but I'm having such a strange sense of deja vu here.
So, you're not American?
I see the trap you're setting here...and this conversation is over.
Did you know that the American
Indian was ***bestowed*** citizenship in 1924. Until that time I guess he would be described as an illegal. Since so many Indians had died in WWI the government was publicly embarrassed and so made the indigenous people citizens of their own land.
I don't know why I put the moccasin article on the other board. I guess, being an optimist, I thought this was 1 thing we could agree on, but alas, tis not true. I might add that $21 is incredibly cheap. Handmade moccasins made the traditional way, sewn by hand with sinew and leather strips usually cost around $50 to 75$ for the most plain design. I hope some of you will do this. It would mean more than you know.
I'm with you there.....BUY AMERICAN!!
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Sure, that's the American way.
Having lost some $30,000 in the stock market, I'm not exactly thrilled with the change that brought that about. Wouldn't mind seeing some "change" there.
If you are an American
Then you should support the American president. If you do not support the American President for any reason at all, any reason at all, you are not patriotic, you do not stand for this country, you should not benefit from it, and you should leave. One America under God.
American....
I don't like Obama and that doesn't MAKE me anything one way or another, except this is not the man for the job IMO. I didn't trust him before and I certainly have absolutely no faith in him now after he has sunk this country to the tune of trillions, which my children and their children will be paying for dearly! Thanks for nothing, Obama!
I have strong feelings against both parties because they have forgotten what they were put there to do; it has turned into a free-for-all up there. They look out for their OWN interests....definitely not mine.
You are right. WE are the government and we are allowing this. Those sitting on their cushy little bums every day drawing huge paychecks think they are thing to rule us, the American people, like we need to be showed how to live, how to raise our children, how to think for Heaven sakes! I'm sick to death of it. Even seeing the posts on this board prove to me how complacent people have become and will turn a blind eye to anything.
My gut feelings told me this guy was not right to lead this country and I believe it more and more every day.
I still say Ron Paul was the only one with the right path and the only one who really showed true character and leadership for this country....not what was in it for him!!!
SHE is Un-American. We need to get rid of her.
Come on people in California, you voted for her. Please get her out ASAP.
She is coddling ILLEGAL immigrants while Americans are living in tents and lining up at soup kitchens.
She should be ostracized!!
What do you mean by REALLY AMERICAN?
Do you not understand that what you are saying here is blatant discimination?
Are YOU a REAL American?
If so, then you MUST BE AN INDIAN, one of those with the feathers on your heaad.
What are you talking about?
If you had to take the American citizenshiptest, you would flunk it!
Of course we all want the American
dream but what you fail to realize is that everything this administration is trying to do will crush the American dream. It is knocking the middle class down. Obama was already rich to begin with. It is the people who are in the middle bracket who are trying to reach that American dream and they can't now. The more money they make, the more government will take away and all these taxes that the government is talking about now.....it will hurt even you whether or not you continue to keep drinking the kool-aid or not. Wake up!!!!!
American Woman
American Woman, Dont leave, Im the one *they*, whomever (I frankly dont care..smile) tried to ban..Im the one they reported like back in grade school..oooohhhh..gonna tell the teacher..Im still here and NO ONE is gonna get rid of me or my opinions or beliefs unless they ban me and then I will move onto another political board..Dont leave, American Woman..I enjoy your posts and think you are an intelligent person who shows she cares through her posts..We need that here..heck if you leave, I probably will end up leaving, so will Lurker, Observer and all the rest and then what will become of this board..Please stay..Ya know what I do when it gets too much, I spend a half hour or so on Bill Mahers board (they are so friendly)..What you post about is the truth in America, dont deny others of reading the truth that you post..Please stay.
Hey, American Woman!!
Glad to read ya! Come back here, we all must maintain the liberal site, no matter what, ya know? I have been posting at Bill Maher's site, GCT is my *handle*. I usually go into the Current Events arena. I posted a hi to you on Bill Maher's site about one week ago. I didnt see your post, was focused on posts concerning crazy lady Barbara Bush mostly, LOL. Tell ya what, put a clothing pin on ya nose and come back here. I alternate between here and Bill Maher's site.
To American Woman
Dont ya know when I get off this board, I feel like I need a shower after dealing with the attack conservatives? It bugs the heck out of me at times..however, I enjoy reading what other democratic liberals are posting and knowing we are the future for America, the liberal people..There is no way the me-me, lock me behind a gated community, who cares about you, I got mine society will exist..It is not workable in an expanding world. So, as much as sometimes the conservatives, for some reason or another cannot stay on their own board and bug the heck out of me, I check back here every once in a while..I wish you would too. We need you here as a compassionate sane poster..I was on Bill Maher last night in Current Events, talking about jury duty, which I have to do in October..Blah!!
you mean Brunson/American
you might get challenged to a duel.
Hi American Woman!
Hi American Woman! Come on back here regularly. We have some really good liberal posters now. Yes, Im in CA. The fires are all around me but havent come to the desert yet (where I am). They have been moving towards the ocean instead (opposite direction). With a change of the wind, though, the fires could change direction, then they would come over the Sierra Nevada Mountains to get to the desert. About two years ago a fire came up over the mountains and you could see it from my house and the air was thick with smoke and soot. Was quite scary..but the firefighters were able to get it out. Yup, CA, the land of mudslides, wildfires, earthquakes, torrential rains (when it does rain..smile). So good to hear from ya..Come on back here. The board isnt the same without ya. :o).
P.S. American Woman
I should have included this in my last nights post..thank you for thinking of me and praying for me and my family. You are so kind. :O)
gt: Where's American Woman??
I haven't read too far yet tonight but is she back? And don't know what you're referring to in terms of your family but please let us all know if there is anything we can do to help?
To Kill an American...sm
Disclaimer: Not sure if this is a true story or not, but it is a great write.
To Kill an American
You probably missed it in the rush of news last week, but there was actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, any American.
So an Australian dentist wrote an editorial the following day to let everyone know what an American is . So they would know when they found one. (Good one, mate!!!!)
An American is English, or French, or Italian, Irish, German, Spanish, Polish, Russian or Greek. An American may also be Canadian, Mexican, Puertorican, South American, African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Iranian, Asian, or Arab, or Pakistani or Afghan.
An American may also be a Comanche, Cherokee, Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, Seminole or one of the many other tribes known as native Americans.
An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim.
In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan . The only difference is that in America they are free to worship as each of them chooses.
An American is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.
An American lives in the most prosperous land in the history of the world.
The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence , which recognizes the God given right of each person to the pursuit of happiness.
An American is generous. Americans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need, never asking a thing in return.
When Afghanistan was over-run by the Soviet army 20 years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country!
As of the morning of September 11, Americans had given more than any other nation to the poor in Afghanistan . Americans welcome the best of everything...the best products, the best books, the best music, the best food, the best services. But they also welcome the least.
The national symbol of America, The Statue of Liberty , welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed. These in fact are the people who built America .
Some of them were working in the Twin Towers the morning of September 11, 2001 earning a better life for their families. It's been told that the World Trade Center victims were from at least 30 different countries, cultures, and first languages, including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.
So you can try to kill an American if you must. Hitler did. So did General Tojo, and Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung, and other blood-thirsty tyrants in the world. But, in doing so you would just be killing yourself. Because Americans are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, is an American.
I don't think every American wants democracy. sm
In fact, I know they don't. There are more than a few Americans who think we deserved 9/11. Nancy Pelosi is one of them. Now look where she is.
Somehow, American Girl
something tells me we are preaching to the choir here. See posts below. 
American is clearly a threat to some
America is clearly a threat to many countries, especially seeing what we have been doing for the past four plus years and how we have fueled the hatred and terrorism around the world by chosing to invade and kill instead of holding diplomatic sessions..the thinking mans way of handling a disagreement/problem..no not cowboy Bush, he thinks nothing of sending over our loved ones to fight his illegal, immoral so wrong war, just as long as his daughters and the children of the lawmakers dont have to go.
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