Right on! We paid off our modest house/cars. We
Posted By: saved and worked to do it! intelligent enough?nm on 2008-10-29
In Reply to: sm - I take offense to that
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BT, I am sooo with you, we also finally paid the mortgage, the cars are ours....sm
and no more credit, bad debts and loans killed the economy and Wall Street. Just providing for our 3 kids and making ends meet is the daily challenge, but we have each other and a good extended family, I so hope that the good thing that comes out of this crisis is LESS MATERIALISM in this country, back to simpler living and being happy with less!
House, car paid for, no kids at home, investments secure.
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He is neither modest or genuine - sm
And he doesn't live modestly. He lives in a mansion that uses 20 times as much electricity as the national average. Maybe that's modest to you. I call it glutton. I don't care about his personal life with his wife and kids. People's personal lives with their families differ much. Gore has been and always will be a con man. And he IS a phony.
First of all......GM cars are not
crappy cars. I've had several GM vehicles that I've run the wheels off of. My whole family buys nothing but GM vehicles and we all prefer them over other vehicles. Secondly, the reason GM started to build bigger vehicles that used more gas was because gas wasn't so expensive then and that is what the consumers wanted was bigger SUVs, trucks, etc. People didn't start to complain until gas prices went through the roof.
GM was fine until the economy took a crap. When the economy was booming they could afford big salaries for CEOs and paying the union loads of money, etc. They could afford the legacy costs, health care, and pensions. Now since no dealer is having much luck selling vehicles, it is kind of hard to pay for all those expenses when people can't buy vehicles, are too afraid to buy vehicles, or are dumb enough to buy foreign pieces of crap instead.
Candidates cars
This was fun to read
http://www.newsweek.com/id/160091
JM = 2 cars registered; CM = 11 cars registered ------->> sm
John McCain can't even raise his arms above his shoulders to comb his hair. He barely drives, if at all. Cindy does most of the driving, as she has said in the past.
Cindy is a multimillionaire. John is not.
So what?
Doesn't anyone wonder how Barack and Michelle Obama gets to and from work and kid stuff with only one car?
My bet is someone has limo service paid by the tax payer.
Maybe JM does too, who knows and who cares??????
This story is a whole lot of nothing, designed to make all the little people (of which I am one, although doesn't bother me).....up in arms because someone with a rich wife has a lot of money and a lot of cars.
SO WHAT!!!!!!!
Sheesh.....like this is really newsworthy......
Chinese cars....
Did anyone see the video of the chinese car crash test? Don't think I will be buying any Chinese made car. The crash test dummy was demolished. the car crumbled like a tin can in a can crusher.
Foreign cars are not better or cheaper.
If they are cheaper it is because they are literally that....cheaper cars. You pay for what you get. I've seen so many American made cars throughout my family where they have put 200,000+ miles on vehicles and they keep going. I've driven so many different types of vehicles since my husband runs a car dealership and I have to say that American trumps foreign any day in my opinion. I will NEVER own a foreign car. Ain't happenin. You will more than likely see my happy butt in a Chevy of some type. I'm currently driving a Chevy Uplander and I friggin LOVE it! I have no problem telling someone their vehicle is a foreign piece of crap. In fact, I recently told my best friend's sister that was what her Honda was. LOL!
Toyota and Honda build cars in the USA
Didn't you know that? They have been here for years. Do you hear them begging for a bailout? Nope. Because they build decent cars.
The 3 big ones didn't bother to take heed during the last gas crunch and didn't learn a dang thing. If they did, we would have good cars now. GM built a good motor; the V6 3 liter engine. Our Old's Delta 98 (big luxury car) V6 got 30 MPH. Our Buick LeSabre gets 28 MPH. Why didn't they put those engines in all their cars?
Because the AMERICAN PEOPLE wanted big, bad SUVs and V8 engines. So...if you want to sell cars, you build what people want.
Just like political arena, as soon as something goes wrong in America, they blame the president. As soon as high gas prices hit, they blamed the car companies and turn their backs on them and now they're in a mess. BUT, it doesn't mean they shouldn't have been working on alternate energy cars. Prius, made by Toyota, has been out for a few years now; 48 MPH. Can't buy one now because that's what everybody wants. Yet when they first came out, hardly any takers.
So, it's not all the fault of the president or car companies. Think about it.
Stop importing foreign cars won't help a bit
People in this country want them because they get better gas mileage. Like I said before, Toyota has plants here in America and they are doing good.
The problem with the big 3 is they sat back and forgot about the past (1970s gas crunch), not into the future. They got a winner with those big SUVs and decided, "Hey, let's concentrate on all the big SUVs, big V8s, etc. That's what the American people want" and they did want them.
Car dealers are falling by the wayside in large numbers because of the problems, too. Lots of them are closing because they can't hang on any longer.
People have been buying foreign cars
for years. What does that have to do with losing our jobs due to fewer patient visits to doctors or hospitals? Actually, a lot of so-called American-made cars are made in Mexico, like the PT Cruiser. In fact, a lot of cars are made in Mexico because of cheap labor, including VW.
Here is a link. Proud to own american made cars.
http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2008/11/05/auto-makers-look-good-for-bigger-govt-bailout/
I agree that we need to buy American made products, in particular cars...
but that entails the idea that we can make cars just as affordable as foreign companies. Right now we have the same problem here as we do with the oil industry. Huge tax breaks for foreign industry and we can't compete.
I beg to differ on all three of the companies you labeled make crappy cars...
I have had 2 Ford's in my life, my husband has had one and they are most reliable cars ever..the same goes for Chrysler and GM...I happen to live in Ohio where we have Ford, Chrysler and GM within a 20-mile radius of my house...it is sad because it is really affecting the economy around here with them closing...I for one would never buy a foreign car...My Dad retired from Chrysler and my Grandfather retired from Ford...
It's kinda fun to watch you playing mental bumper cars
NM
GMAC Resumes Sub-Prime Loans In Order To Sell Cars
So, let's see. I know that I have been known to lapse into a coma from time to time, but haven't we been here before - making subprime loans in order to stimulate sales and to hell with what happens next?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please, but I'm having such a strange sense of deja vu here.
That's right. He was paid but he
drove a used car and made about 10K a year. Apparently, he didn't do it for the money, so what's your point?
And those that do less, get paid less....
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And you really think HE paid for them?
Hate to break it to you hun, but in the end, we still paid for them. He works in the GOVERNMENT. Meaning he is paid with TAX dollars. OUR tax dollars.
They are running a campaign. Obviously, image is everything. Otherwise you all wouldn't be hating on the fact that John is an old man or that Sarah is a beauty pageant winner.
I'm so glad this is an important issue. If you want something donated to charity, contact O and tell him to sell his jet and give the money to hungry children.
Sheesh.
You PAID them? Gee, let's put you in DC
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No stress here. If anyone is getting paid here...
it would seem to be the dem attack machine. thanks for your concern tho.
She paid for the tanning bed herself...
not the taxpayers. Maybe we should go in all the gov mansions in the lower 48 and see who installed what. Sheesh! lol.
As to the rape kit thing...you act as if Wasilla, Alaska is the only city who did that. It is common practice in the lower 48 as well. That does not make it right, but it is not isolated to Sarah Palin. And it you look closer, the Wasilla Police Department AND the State police (not under her jurisdiction) were actually paying for the testing, and then passing the cost on to the patient, which prompted the STATE, because of the state troopers billing as well, to ban the practice. So if you are going to take Wasilla to task for it, add several towns in the lower 48 to the list.
Yes, and the devil will be paid. n/m
It's not about what she wears. It's about who paid
of the populist appeals to the no frills, no elites allowed "working folks" who they are trying to dupe into believing they give a rat's butt about. If they are so cavalier with their campaign contributions, no telling what they would be willing to do if they ever got their hands on taxpayer money.
I am not b*tching about how little MTs are paid....
and we the people DO pay for union contracts with higher prices on goods. Union dues DO NOT pay for their benefits. Employers DO, who pass that on to consumers. I know you know that.
You don't have to tell me about Sam. I grew up in Sam country. I know a few blue haired ladies who started in the first store built in my little town who are rich today because of the profit sharing.
Yes, I shop at Wal-Mart. As do many millions of Americans. And not all their products are cheap knock-offs.
Oh I see...doesn't matter who someone associates with or what he does, or what a union does illegal or not, as long as it benefits the union members. I can see why Obama is not a concern to you.
Wonder how much Google is getting paid
Now that Google is tracking your search of symptoms put in by those who think they might have flu, they will send that info to the government and let them know where flu outbreaks may be? Now, of course, there will be those that think that is wonderful but those of us who do understand our privacy should be a freedom in this country, we know this is an out and out invasion of our privacy. Google has no privacy safeguards in place, so if Google is giving the government information on things we google, as they already have, you still think your government is wonderful and looking out for you? Google should be ashamed.......they are selling us out. There will be more and more companies invading our privacy as the government invades more of our private lives and these companies do their bidding.......
It probably will not be paid back.
Besides, we already owe China and now more? We still need to pay back the first debt. Looks like United States will be sold soon.
I think that if you truly paid attention
to the complaints on this board, you would realize that what we are complaining about is not the fact that our money is going to government programs to help people who need it. Most of us are upset because these government programs are being abused and misused by dishonest people who would much rather not work and be lazy just to receive government assistance. I have no problem helping people who need it. I think Clinton did a good thing by reforming welfare and I think it is a shame that Obama is undoing that. Welfare is supposed to be a hand up.....not a hand out.
Not wanting to help people in need is not the issue here and I wish that you guys could understand that. We aren't being heartless here. We are just sick and tired of people mooching off of the government when they could work and make a living for themselves.
If the dishonest people who are abusing the system could be taken out of the welfare equation, just think of the extra money we would have to really help those in need. Think about it.
Maybe if they ALL paid their taxes....
instead of hiding money in their freezers, offshore accounts and various tax shelters.......THEY ARE ALL GUILTY IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
It is probably not an MT and a paid blogger. sm
They are on all the political boards. The first hint was CV. You brought up some topics that are a no-no. I know it is hard, but try to ignore and not respond to posts attacking you. People need to question. I hope people do their research and there is some discussion on these topics. It is crucial that everyone understand the monetary system.
He was paid, the firm wasn't. SM
Either way, he could have said no and he didn't. Mind you, I have a limitation on what I think gay rights should extend to, but I won't go into that here because I will get slaughtered.
He paid with his own earnings? Oh how awful.
And what was your point? Wouldn't you tend to trust a candidate more who paid for his campaign with his own money, rather than taking bribes from special interests that he has to pay back later by stealing more freedom and cash from you?
And if your point was that his take on the case was so high that he could finance a whole campaign with it, again, so? - A jury of your peers made that award and likely you would have too had you been on the jury and had a chance to hear the facts. If he had been representing you in a case in which your child was disemboweled by a defective piece of equipment which the manufacturers knew full well tended to disembowel children but they sold it to you anyway, would you think the jury awarded too much or the lawyer might get paid too much?
Or instead of actually thinking about the need to have lawyers represent people who have been egregiously harmed by incompetent and negligent companies, and the need to have juries hear the facts and make appropriate awards when justified, is it just easier to nod at the bullcrap propaganda which says you don't NEED to be protected because look how much money the lawyer makes?
When it's your turn you're going to want that lawyer and you're going to want that jury to hear your story. So what is the problem you have with holding villains accountable and seeing other people get the settlements they deserve?
Yeah, I forgot, he never paid
*No child left behind* either....remember that...Yeah, silly me, he would never do that. My sincere apologies....javascript:editor_insertHTML('text',' ');
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again...as usual...paid no attention...
The taking one more shot post appeared LONG before your cease fire....you just had not seen it yet. But it would not have mattered. I didn't read this latest diatribe...too tired and really don't give a darn. And I will give you a clue dear, one of those 4-letter words...I did not say the GOP then does not resemble the GOP now....in fact I agree whole-heartedly. The GOP has turned into Democrat lite. Which is why I don't belong to the grand old party anymore. Only register as Repub in primary years because if I didn't, I couldn't vote, and I want to have a say, no matter how small. You should really ask questions before you jump off the deep end...but you don't care, because you are always right, aren't you? Speaking from that high horse of moral authority. You must have the word "bigot" in your shortcuts, you sure invoke it enough. LOL. Really too bad that just you typing it here doesn't make it true....or maybe it is, the gospel according to Globetrotter....LOL geezzz.
If we were being paid bloated wages, maybe, but
if they want to go any lower than they already have gone (I had a truly insulting offer a few weeks back of 0.0625 cpl with 30 years experience), I say let India have it. MTSOs need to be going in the opposite direction and MTs might want to look into unionization themselves. Peronally, I think we are also worth $28/hr and do not consider that to be an exorbitant for MTs or for auto workers, given the COL. JMHO.
I paid attention and I ain't even republican
Now that your hope for racist remarks have no doubt been proven unfounded, you gotta start grasping at anything you can find, because those "racial" remarks were really all the democrats had going for them. Those mean 'ole republicans.
Are you really so racist that you don't think a black man may actually like McCain instead of Obama? Are you that deluded in your thoughts?
I have several black neighbors and they have made it quite clear they will never vote for Obama. They work their butts off and don't believe anyone has the right to their money!
I don't care where they came from, as long as he paid for them - nm
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If she paid a lot of money for the B-52's hair
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Palin's stylist paid twice as much as
http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=9234675&nav=HMO6HMaY
they went out to people who paid taxes, too.
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on-call is paid time
you do realize they would be paid to be on call. So they could be on call at home or on call at the facility. they would be paid either way. Are you familiar with on-call pay?
union people will still get paid for doing nothing.
Apparently you have paid NO attention.
This talk about NWO has been out there since Bush 41, almost two decades. Where have you been? But if it makes you feel better to blame Obama, have at it.
This election was bought and paid for by
P.S. We paid off our mortage last year
and DH's truck is free and clear also. It took us 15 years to pay the mortage and 4 years for the truck. If we want something, it will be in cash. We bought and paid for our cars and pickup truck with cash. We haven't had car payments since I was stupid enough to buy a brand new car back in 1985. If we can't afford a car with cash, we would wait. We're waiting now. I would love to have a newer car and DH really should have a newer truck because it's part of his business, but that's not in the cards. Maybe next year (saying this for 3 years now).
Maybe if the O appointees paid their taxes.....sm.
This is from the Washington Post. The name of the article is titled: Federal Insider: Staffing Shortage Hinders Treasury's Progressþ
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/09/AR2009030902807.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter
You're right - look elsewhere! I paid cash for my car
the current recession. (Also a nice used car.) I test-drove the car, talked them into letting me 'vet' it at my own mechanic, and when it passed, I showed up at the dealership with a cashier's check for $1.5K less than their 'bottom line'. I told them it was all I had. (It was the truth). The salesman went and talked to the manager, came back, and said 'You've got a deal.' (Also asked me 'where did you learn to buy cars?) I also talked them into a free extended warranty, radiator flushing and new coolant.
:D
Most beneficiaries draw out FAR more than they ever paid in.
I don't have time to hunt down the information, but I've heard for many years, from many different sources, that the average beneficiary collects every cent they ever paid into the system within something like 5 years, and every penny paid after that is a freebie from you and me, the folks currently paying into the system. Frankly, it's one great big inter-generational pyramid scheme.
In fact, when the retirement age was originally set at 65, way back when, the average life expectancy was UNDER that by a few years, so the system was designed for people NOT to collect from it.
My mother retired at 65, and she's going to be 88 next week. So that's something like 18 years the rest of us have supported her. She might also be getting some sort of widow's benefits; not sure about that, but if my dad were still alive, he'd be 96 (he died 15 years ago), and anything he paid into the system would have been paid out LONG before he died.
So, do I want to take away people's benefits, even if they're getting a freebie? No, of course not. They were promised this, and they're getting it, albeit at our expense. What I would like is for the rest of us to be given a choice to opt out, either entirely or for at least a percentage, because at this rate, my money would do better for me stuffed under the mattress than entrusted to the greedy hands of the politicians in Washington.
(And no, I don't stash cash in my mattress, so don't be coming over here to hunt for it! I'll sicc my psychotic killer gecko on you!)
I paid attention during history lessons. sm
El Duce and Fat Moose were Mussolini's nicknames. I would love to discuss the facts, not debate (argue) political viewpoints because it distracts everyone away from reality and the facts. That is precisely what they want us all do.
Bullhockey, illegals are paid in cash, there is NO tax being taken out. nm
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sounds like your vote is 'bought-and-paid-for'.
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