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I personally dont see O as the "anti-Christ",but

Posted By: he is pandering and does NOT stand up for USA.nm on 2009-06-06
In Reply to: Geez, what garbage you spew, sm - Proud of my president

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The new slur - "anti-semite"
...because apparently traitor and liberal weren't working anymore! LOL! Cindy Sheehan's clearly just a simple woman from hometown USA who doesn't know much about history and is grieving the loss of her son. She isn't using her son's death for anything. He died. She wants to know why. Bush refuses to answer. Rove set the attack dogs loose. That's about the whole story up to now far as I can see.

All this effort to make her into some sort of Abby Hoffman-Karl Marx-Castro-Michael Moore-Jane Fonda-Stalin-Hitler character is just stupid. All you have to do is LISTEN to her to know she isn't naturally a political animal. I mean come on, she has all the natural commanding presence and political macho of a bunny rabbit.

I think the (f)Right is really making itself look bad on this one. Judging by recent poll numbers, I'm not the only one who thinks that. Turning the whole massive grinding and destructive fury of the Rove smear machine on one little fuzzy bunny rabbit with tears in her eyes for her lost son?

Must be pretty worried, huh:)


She took it personally because she was attacked personally. Plain and simple.

Where did you get your debating skills?  On the south side of Chicago in some street gang?  Because if you did, it shows.


In a REAL debate, there is no room or tolerance for personal attacks.  Yet, that's all you people know how to do.  You can't stay on the issue.  You MUST attack the poster personally, claiming to know not only what they think and feel but also claiming to know what every liberal ever thought or did, what they're thinking and doing right now and what they will be thinking and doing for the next 1,000 years.  In fact, you seem to know everything about anything that ever existed on the planet, exists now or will exist into infinity. 


As I (and others) have said repeatedly and you just can't seem to grasp, if you constantly treat people badly, they're not going to want to associate with you.  Lurker was very gracious in her posts to all of you on your board, but even she, in the end, couldn't tolerate your continued, nonstop, personal attacks any more (as she indicated in her responses to the attackers).  If you ever stop knowing it all and become interested in the proper way of debating someone, you could learn a lot from Lurker.  You see, having *thick skin* is only important if you're a thug in a gang somewhere.  It's irrelevant when it comes to treating humans like humans, and in that area, you have a lot to learn. 


As for me, I like to learn from intelligent, friendly people with different political views, so I visit boards where those kinds of people are found.  Not all conservatives are angry, rude, come out swinging and need to personally attack 1,000% of the time.  Some of them are actually quite nice and informative, and they can be found on other forums.  Too bad they can't be found on MTStars.


Have a pleasant evening.


Dear Miss Thang. If you dont like it, dont watch.
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rational to one is irrational to another..dont like it, dont read it
Rational posts?  Well, maybe you would think that, however, I disagree..but, what the heck, from your continual posts attacking me over the past few months, it is obvious that we dont agree on anything.  Gotta tell ya, no one chases a person from a chat board..that is a lame excuse for someone who obviously was not able to hold his/her own with the smart liberals who post on this  liberal board.  So gt chased her/him away.  On please!  If a poster is getting to you, you just ignore their posts..dont click on them..Viola!  It is that easy!  Or dont come on the liberal board if you do not like liberal ideology!  Viola!  It is that easy!  So, Im here all the time am I?  Well, punkin, I see your handle always on both this board and the dinosaur board..er..I mean conservative board.  Is this what your debating has gotten down to?  Lets count and see who is here more often?  How ridiculous, how childish, how so....republican.  **BIG HUG**
I dont hate Obama. I just dont see him as qualified
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You dont get it. Most dont want O to fail, they feel
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Yes, I think Christ himself
a great deal of their **holier than thou** hate-speech caca. After all, he was the very essence of love and forgiveness, knew the hypocrites all too well and said, *Judge not lest ye be judged* Funny how His own words somehow are forgotten, huh? What about the hypocrisy of taking from the poor to give to the wealthy? Was Christ as a humble, poor person himself not a champion of the poor? I sure don't remember a that he said *Blessed are the warmongers*
Obviously you don't know much about Christ
He did speak out against wrong doing and sometimes LOUDLY and with force. Don't forget the moneychangers' tables. Maybe you don't know what that was about but that was a HUGE thing in Jesus' time and doing so took great courage. Are you saying he hated because he disapproved of what they were doing? He never said let wrongdoing continue. I guess you would call him judgemental, huh? He said love those, regardless, not take part and go along with them and their beliefs.

The very fact that you use Christian and "hate" in your responses over and over tells of your true feelings.
Anyone bombing anything in the name of Christ
needs to rethink who they say they are "in the name of". I do not believe a true Christian would harm anyone to prove a point or say that it was in the name of Christ. These people have their ideas twisted. We are to hate the SIN of abortion, not the abortionist. God will deal with them in His own time, it is not for us to do.

Remember, God doesn't NEED us to do anything.


The anti-christ??
Please-with all the damage done by Bush, and Obama is the anti-christ to you?? He is a Christian man with a lovely, loving family, strong values, and wants what is best for America. And he hasn't even been sworn in yet? What is with you folks that see it necessary to act like Obama is the devil incarnate! I have prayed for my country, the my prayers have been answered. He takes office in January.
Christ as in Christian
tells us this behavior is "abominable." Dysfunctional and disgusting is in the same category. Saying something is disgusting or bad or wrong is not judging. It's stating a fact. Tell me how to love my fellow man who insists on being labeled as a sinful behavior that I'm required to hate. Hate the sin, love the sinner doesn't fly in the homosexual community. Can we hate murder but love the murderer? Can we hate stealing but love the thief? Tell us all how to do that when it's hard to separate the two, especially if someone wants to be labeled as a particular sin. Impossible, I say.
Christ himself preached against sin sm
but loved the sinner. A PERSON is not labeled as a particular sin, they have committed a particular sin, big difference.

May be hard to separate the two, but it is what Christ commanded. If you take on the name of a Christian you are commanded to be Christ like. We are human and we fail, but if you consistently have this attitude, it makes me wonder if Christ is just in your head or really in your heart.
Those of us who take Jesus Christ as our saviour.
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PLEASE take Jesus Christ as your Savior >>>
Take him the hell out of everyones politics, you narrow-minded ignoramus.
That was lame.............Christ on a cracker!
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Why are "Christians" so judgmental when Christ wasn't that way
shame on you gay haters
It is easy to label someone the anti-Christ..

if you have enough time on your hands.  Here is an article asking if President Bush is the anti-Christ.  People will believe what they want to. 


http://markswatson.com/bushac.htm


Christian does mean to follow Christ Jesus. SM

 You know, Jesus, the son of God, God in human flesh?  Jesus, who answered Pilate "you say rightly I am king," Jesus, who answered the high priest when asked if he was the Christ "Yes, it is as you say."  If anyone knew what Father God was thinking, it was Jesus Christ, God in human flesh.


Sheesh, at least try to know what your talking about with your retorts.


If we as Christians believe we have the truth, and that following Christ is the true way......sm
why are so many Christians so insecure? Why so paranoid? Don't you think Jesus will take care of it all? Where does it say that "we" have to be "dominant", Christianity is a lifetime philosphy, a way of life, a calling for the soul, why do you think we must be the most populous in the country? When Christianity started out it was a tiny, obscure "and left wing" type of religion, even labeled an insane cult, but it cretainly thrived, even with rabid Roman prosecution....God even put His seat on earth, supposedly, in Rome, is that no irony, and does it not show the might of the Lord? Perhaps the percentages will change in the future between the major religions, but in the end, belief of a higher power, belief in goodness, honesty, truth, kindness, charity, love, equity, righteousness, morals....all fo that was not "copywrited" from the Christians. Jesus, his family, his followers were all Jews, Jesus NEVER renounced Judaism, just the hypocritcal sects that had grown up in the temples, and the apostes saw Christianity as an addition of rules and precepts from the Master IN ADDITION to their Jewish heritage.....If we are strong in our faith, we should not worry about what percent of population is Christian.
Two more and I'm done! Q. What's the difference between Jesus Christ and Barack Obama?

A. Jesus could assemble a cabinet.


 


Q: How many Obamunists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None.  It's enough to hope that it gets changed.


 


  I'm waiting to be called a racist.  I'm sure somewhere in that those jokes, some Obamunist will find racism.


I dont WANT war. Dont judge me!
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I find it hard to believe that anyone would ever endeavor to speak for Christ. Nuff said. nm
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True Christians strive to be Christ-like, loving, tolerant...sm
nonjudgemental, understanding, washing the feet of the lowliest citizen, feeding the hungry, living life without always saying me, me, me. I could think of a lot of adjectives that would describe what being a Christian means to me but I am seeing none of that here from people whose greatest claim is that they are devout Christians. I hear only fear, lies, hate, biogotry and defensiveness instead of love, truth, hope and light in Jesus name.
I came across this scripture today when I was studying. These are the words of Jesus Christ

from the book of Matthew Chapter 10 Verse 28:


Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in he!!.


What was it that Oprah called Obama again?  The One?


 


I read the one only true Testament of our Lord Jesus Christ, who was infallible Lord....sm
and I am not, and thank you for calling attention to that; I was paraphrasing Paul in his letter to the Hebrews, but my point is still from my heart, the deceptions that went on during the former administration are still causing ruin and death as we speak, and if you chose laugh at me, that is fine, The flamers on this board love to feign superiority, which I belive is against the Bible as Pride, one of the 7 deadly sins, no? I was asking if posters who want to make inflammatory, ridulous remarks could just TRY to confine their comments and posts to pure facts, and then political discussions can bear fruit and have some intelligence and merit. I am working hard as I am writing this, so forgive me if distracted. It is all just noise, rhetoric, and one-upmanship otherwise, while the country crumbles further. Thanks for correcting me, I will double check Mr. Dunniger's quotes.
I think it all shows that Christianity is valued with the love of the dollar, not the love of Christ
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This what I'm personally going to do

In every place I go where the pledge is recited ballgames mostly when we got to the words under God it's amplified UNDER GOD!!!  That's what I intend on doing even if it becomes illegal.  I don't care if they outlaw the word God period I'll shout it from the mountaintops.  First of all to glorify my God, and second of all to irritate those who think it's a curse word.


Go ahead sue me...hang me...chop my head off.  The best is yet to come for me anyway. 


I personally think that

the McCain campaing has set Palin up to be the attacker of Obama's character and let McCain talk about what they will do if they are elected. 


As for Palin lying, I do believe that Obama has not been 100% truthful with things brought out about him.  He has changed his story several times on different associations and issues and that makes me not trust him. 


I do find it interesting that a lot of times what an Obama supporter can say about Palin....a McCain supporter can say about Obama.  LOL!  Kind of makes you wonder what the heck all of us are thinking really. 


One thing that holds true for me in the case of Sarah Palin is that she cut spending in her state.  I truly do believe that for the sake our country....we need to cut back on the government pending and this just reinforces my trust in McCain and Palin to do just that.  Obama...on the other hand....I believe will not cut back on spending as he has endorsed more pork in his short term in senate than McCain has his entire career.....and that to me says a lot.  And that has nothing to do with him being a POW and having the scars to prove it.  LOL!


Personally, you hit on one of her best...
attributes. I like the idea of a VP who could lock and load with the Secret Service if need be. Shove those guys out of the way and take care of herself. Hooah! lol.
Well, I personally am a
right-leaning Libertarian who registered Republican last time McCain made an attempt, just so that I could vote for him in that primary.

This time around he has morphed into something so frightening that I'm voting for Obama, & I haven't voted for a Democrat in 30 years.


Well, personally s/m

I could  not care less so long as they don't mess around with the constitution.  I do think, however, that there is much ado about nothing.  As for the alleged tax breaks...when my husband and I married we asked my CPA about tax ramifications.  He said we would be better off to marry.  When we filed our first joint return, the same CPA said he didn't realize how much our income was and that in fact, marrying was the worst thing we could do tax-wise.  So if gays/lesbians want to marry for tax purposes, they had better take a good hard look at where the marriage will put them.


I don't know that there's anything legal/illegal about it but I expect that in the case of serious illness or injury a significant other would not be kept from the bedside. 


My husband and I used an attorney to draw up papers (forget what they are called) that directs everything that could possibly be foreseen and the cost was something like $350.  That would work just as well for gays/lesbians I would think.


We  have a gay couple in our community, also biracial.  They moved here from another state.  Both wear wedding rings, I have no idea what it symbolizes, haven't asked.  One is rather elderly and has relatives here but they accept the significant other and everyone just goes about their business.


Gay/lesbian relations are not new, it goes all the way back to biblical times.  I don't lean in that direction myself so I do not know anything about it, whether it is a choice or people are born with that bend.  I just have a hard time with God saying that it is an abomination for a man to lie with a man as with a woman and then that He would turn around and cause people to be born with this kind of sexual orientation.  That being said, let them do what they will, it is between them and God.  Like religion and politics, they don't need to try to shove it down the throats of the majority who are heterosexual.


I personally don't know anyone......... sm
with voter's remorse right now, but I can guarandangtee you there will be a whole bunch of folks in about 6 months to a year or so who will rue the day they cast their ballot for the O.
perhaps you just don't personally know anyone
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Personally
I think it's all of the above and then some.
I have never personally used that phrase myself. sm
But then, I am sure someone will expend a huge amount of energy to prove me wrong.  
I personally feel

that Jesse Jackson is a detriment to the black community.  Surely there has to be someone better to represent and stand up for the black community.  If a white person made the general comments that Jesse Jackson does......the black community would scream racism.  His own son spoke negatively about his father and his comment. 


I personally don't feel that there will ever be equality between the races because people are constantly wanting to point the finger at the other race.  Do I want equality....yes...of course I do.  I have many black friends who are great people that I care about.  But until we stop pointing the finger at the other race, it won't stop.  Prejudice and racism is on both sides.  It isn't just the white folks or the black people.....it is on both sides and until people stop and realize that and learn to forgive and forget and be accepting.......it won't change.


As for Bill Cosby, I loved watching the Bill Cosby Show when I was younger, but the more I learn about Bill......the more I think he is a huge bigot.


Once again, did he personally call you
to say he would quit HIS job and be at home with the kids? Oh wait, I KNOW! The oldest pregnant one can watch ALL of them! Now, There is an idea! Furthermore, yes, you ARE bashing US, by saying we have a 1950's mentality, just because we want to ACTUALLY RAISE our OWN kids, instead of a DAY orphanage! What a concept? Raise your own kids! Dr. Laura people, you all should listen to her...
I personally feel that
neither McCain nor Obama will be able to really pull us out of this horrible economic situation.  They will be able to help or make it worse, but no one president is totally going to pull us out of this horrible situation that we find ourselves in today.  I personally put the blame on everyone....dems and repubs alike.  Our president is currently republican but the congress is controlled by the dems and quite frankly I haven't seen a whole he11 of a lot out of either group to start pulling us out.  We are too busy flinging mud between parties to really focus on what our country needs and that is a shame as well as scary. I hope and pray that people in Washington will get their heads out of their butts and consider the future of our country instead of how much money they can line their pockets with and that goes for both dems and repubs.
I personally feel that this

failure in our government is a failure on both sides.  This isn't strictly dems, although dems control the congress, and this isn't strictly reps even though the pres is a rep.  I think they should all stop pointing fingers as what is done is done and find a solution that will benefit the tax payers and not line the crooks' pockets with money anymore than they already are.


As for McCain....no matter what....at least he had the balls to say....HEY...we have a problem here.  That is more than other politicians have done who benefited from FMFM money.


Of course, I personally don't have a problem with
any of it. I don't look to the debates to help make up my mind, they are for entertainment value to me. I simply was putting out there what I had read. I too agree, the VP debate is going to be the one everyone wants to see.
I personally believe that they are both good men...sm
We are lucky to have two such good men to vote for. That being said, you need to do your own research at reliable places, keep an open mind, and take nothing at face value. In the end, we all vote with, hopefully, our brains/hearts/instincts. The issues are what really matter. Who honestly represents your values and who is going to help the ordinary person, the middle class, the poor, the rich, whatever is your agenda.
What makes you think that I personally don't?

pub or dem, who benefited from this should be the ones financially responsible to repair it.  But that isn't going to happen and I'm sick of hearing about who's responsible for it.  What about the homeowners who applied for these mortgages that they knew they couldn't afford?  I hold them responsible.  What about the banks who gave them the loan, knowing they could never repay it, but didn't care because they were just going to sell it?  I hold them responsible.  What about the CEOs who made millions on their severenace packages when they walked away from these failing companies?  I hold them responsible.  I don't care what party they are affiliated with.  But the fact is, no one person is going to be held accountable.  As a whole, the taxpayers will be made to be responsible.


You talk a good game and some of what you say makes sense.  Unfortunately, you have to read through all the pub/dem cr@p to really get to what you're saying.  Are you going to try to tell me that not 1 single pub had anything to do with any of this?  That it all rests on the individual dems?  Come on -- that's a load of bull and you know it.


And I respect yours. Personally,
if I had to be in a foxhole with someone, it would be McCain no question.  I have a feeling that Obama would look out for himself. 
Personally, I think she meant (Lou
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i personally don't care much for either of them

Madeline Halfbright was Clinton's Sec. of State.  Don't even get me started on her.


No matter what, I give nobody a free pass just by the R behind his/her name.  Look at Olympia Snow & Susan Collins!  Talk about embarrassments!


I personally think that we should drop

everything except for American.  We need to unite and come together and we need to drop the extra titles.  That doesn't mean we should forget where we come from or our heritage.  It just means that when we lose focus on us all being Americans and just Americans....we start to categorize and stereotype and segregate ourselves.


Besides, I really don't want to be call an Indian-German-Scottish-Hungarian-American.  I'm an American and I'm proud of that.


I personally think Palin has now
Joe Biden has been in politics for a very long time.  Palin and McCain in no way answer any question directly.  Palin took a shot at the media through an interview with Brian Williams.  When asked to state the examples of the bashing she feels are wrong, she only gave one, and then didn't want to talk about it anymore.  I have to say that even though you feel Joe or Obama faced with a real problem are under the gate and squealing, you'd better look at the examples of McCain and Palin interviews first.  Pretty much all I hear out of McCain's mouth is "I'm sorry."  JMO, of course.
To Gourdpainter: I want to personally s/m

thank you for your many insightful posts on this board during this whole election process.  Your posts along with sam's posts have very accurately paralleled the glaring differences between these two candidates, yours being ones of depth of knowledge, integrity, tolerance and a true desire for change for the better, whereas, the other one's posts have been largely based on garbage gleaned from questionable websites, blogs and other biased sources that have accomplished nothing other than to incite hatred and intolerance in support of a candidate who has based his whole campaign on filthy lies and evil smear tactics in pathetic attempts to discredit his opponent who has risen above this display of low-down politics.


So, my hat's off to you, Gourdpainter, for setting an exemplary example for all of us to aspire to!!  


Personally, I tried 6 times and still

can't get away from them. Even this tax probably won't help. You name it, I've tried it except Chantix (sp) but I need a doctor to prescribe it and I don't have a doctor yet.


My mom smoked until she was 79. Died 4 months later. DH doesn't care if I don't quit after that because his mother died 6 months after she quit. Doesn't make sense, but it did happen.


I personally feel that this is

the natural cycle of our planet.


It still amazes me how AL Gore can go from place to place on a his private jet telling others we should be concerned about global warming.


How does this affect me personally?

AIG is losing more and more money every day...  we all know that.  My story is that my BF is on Worker's Comp for an injury.  He will never be back to what he was, but is as good as he is going to get until he can have a knee replacement, which they will not because of his young age.  So we are thinking it is time to settle with the insurance company - who is backed by AIG...


They are already offering us a lot less than what we expected because they say they don't have money to give, but what happens if we hold out and then the company goes belly up?  Do we just lose out completely then?


Can WC go belly up?  I mean, is it backed by the government since it is mandated by the government and he will keep getting his benefits if he does not settle or are we looking at maybe losing even his weekly check and medical benefits and so we need to take what we can get while we can?