I too do not put much faith in polls.
Posted By: sm on 2008-10-23
In Reply to: I'll believe polls when - sm
Did these polls have John Kerry ahead at this time during the last election. They also showed the Nixon was ahead of Kennedy. We will find out when we find out. Just go vote for who you think is best and hope for the best.
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If you believe in polls good for you - The King of Polls said
So the polls only poll a few small areas with certain demographics. You trust that. Sure maybe they only poll Hollyweird and the other liberal cities. They also reflect all the phone voter registrations, so maybe to your cat and cartoon characters it matters that Obama is ahead. Me - I'll wait for election day to find out the truth about who is ahead in the race. I've said it before and I'll say it again (and glad to know Mr. Rassmusin backs me up on this one) - polls do not matter and do not reflect a real vision of who is ahead in the race.
The polls that supply that electoral map are just that....polls...sm
Polls mean less than nothing to me. Polls intimidate and mislead the voters, in my opinion. Thanks for asking.
I didn't talk down your faith but your faith
Get over yourself already. He shows the kindness and tolerance of a true Christian and not all the hating and intolerance like you and a lot of people here. Just because you are a Christian doesn't make you any better than anyone else
Take a look at these polls.sm
Just to give you an idea, take Denver's Rocky Mountain News poll (the state is very conservative) below, and look at the results. Almost every poll I have seen shows large percentages of Americans think the same way as the theorists.
http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/rockytalklive/archives/2006/08/the_government_and_911_2.html#more
Here is another one from Ed Schultz at Air America with a 50/50 split.
http://www.wegoted.com/index.asp
Polls
Make that alter-ego. Changing names according to post content = literary license. I'm sure you've heard of it before, being so intimately acquainted with the literary world and all. Makes things a bit more intriguing. Enables one to dial back rabid mad-dog rhetoric.
Case in point. You don't launch into your "5-paragraph volleys" unless you think you are talking to GT. As BW, I enjoy the luxury of not having to drag out an entire arsenal of put-downs just to make myself understood, since you can’t quite figure out who you are talking to. Usually I am pretty good about revealing the aliases eventually, but not always. That is another prerogative of free speech.
BTW, when you lift content and ideas from somebody else's post, it's customary to use quotes. Disciple? Shades of the gospel according to Saint Hannity. Another suggestion would be that when you plagiarize thought or content, at least be careful not to put it into responses addressed to the original author.
Yes, Congress has a lower rating than Bush. He wields a powerful weapon that empowers him to obstruct, stall and reverse any sort of viable legislative initiatives. It's called the veto pen. In this last session, he has used it 8 times but Congress has managed to override him on 4 of those vetoes. They at have at least shown more ability than Bush to cross the aisle and engage themselves in effective bipartisan initiatives and convince them to vote against their fearless leader.
You and the pubs make no excuses for being too inept at reaching consensus (a decidedly American concept). Obstruction, stalling and reversals are akin to dodges, deceive and deflections. They are the strategies used by petty dictators and their parties in a setting of “might makes right,” that divide and conquer approach, rather than taking the high road and exerting the effort or harboring the desire to create a representative government body. Bipartisanship has never been his forte anyway. No surprise there.
Polls are interesting, but not terribly reliable, given the problems that arise when you start to consider the source, sift through bias, skewing and the like. More than likely, the polls offer the most reliable reflection of public opinion would be the approval ratings of the candidates, not that status quo that is destined to be decimated come November. Most dems are just about as frustrated with the whole mess as you are. On that we can agree. But my take on approval ratings, at least in terms the current state of affairs in Congress and the executive branch, is that the low numbers reflect a much more deep-seated frustration and anger toward being lied to about the war and the incalculable costs in terms of human life as well as tax dollars, the state of the economy and the perception that nobody anywhere is doing anything, typical of a lame duck in a campaign year. The nation as a whole is in a really bad mood, to be sure. They simply don't approve of anything, at the moment.
More than likely, this will play itself with a major overhaul on both sides of the aisle. Who comes out on top in Congress in terms of numbers is anybody’s guess.
Polls are even at 42%
per a CBS poll taken on Wednesday, so this does not include Palin's speech or McCain's acceptance speech.
Polls & More
Remember, this is the party that prides itself on being "tolerant." Yeah, sure. How tolerant have they been of anything a conservative has to say? This why they lie in wait here, so the few times I even bother to take the time (more like waste it) to post something, I try to make the subject line not stand out as a "right-winger" view.
This board is no better than DailyKos, HuffingtonPost, etc. Go to those sites and see how well the libs behave. I look at this forum very seldom now after seeing what the bulk of my industry thinks and how totally nasty they behave. They make having a cat fight look like a tea party.
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How much do you believe polls?
Yahoo had some info on the Rasumussen Polls and I went to their website to check it out: www.rasmussenreports.com
They have an electoral college page that shows the current "vote" at 248-163 in favor of Obama. I'm going to have to do some research and see how accurate polls were in previous presidential elections. They have it broken down by state and it is pretty interesting, if numbers are your thing!
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/election_2008_electoral_college_update
For all who believe in polls
I don't believe in polls but a lot of posters like to use them to try to make some sort of point....
Today's Gallup poll (one of the most trusted) - Obama 49, McCain 47 -
Like I say....way to close to predict a winner. I also heard some students after last nights debate that said they were still undecided said if they had to vote right now they'd choose McCain. Goes to show not every single person/young person voting Obama.
polls
Thanks, it is
49.5 for Obama
42.7 for McCain.
Obama is 6.8 points ahead.
Faith. sm
There was a poster on this board not too long ago of the Jewish faith. He was here to discuss the situation in Israel. He was hounded from this board ruthlessly. And not by conservatives.
Faith
I am not here to discuss Israel, just replying to an abortion post. I really don't care if I am hounded by anyone. Happens all the time :-)
I have faith
and am not ashamed to express it. Seems to me democrates place their hand on the bible just like rebublicans when taking the oath of office. Do you wonder about that too?
I think it does but I do have faith there are
good people out there too like you. So thank you for saying that. I tune in to CNN a lot of it has come up a few times that it matters. It is just depressing to me that it does still matter.
take care.
Keep the faith. No one knows what is going,,,sm
to happen with the economy or in the world over the next few months. At least we have a glimmer of hope with Obama.
Got that right, but keep the faith.
we can get through anything. We will come out in a much better place if we simply get our collective acts together and realize that change is coming (and I DON'T mean the campaign slogan) because it has to. WE have a choice. We can take charge of the situation and face those challenges as a united front or stay sidelined and wait for our leaders to show us the way. Clearly, I know which side of that decision I come down on.
According to your faith...(sm)
Christians were at one point persecuted, and they pushed and pushed until they got their way. I guess it was okay to do that back then.
Well, actually there are polls to confirm this
I don't believe the word "sick" was part of the poll but it comes pretty darn close to the majority of America's current view of this administration and this war.
These polls are so fickle.
Up and down, up and down.
I just don't know if he can stand the heat. I have so far not been impressed with Obama. Right now it seems that people are using him against a Hillary vote and not necessarily for anything he says or stands for. Is it just me, or does the man lack conviction or passion of any kind? He doesn't ever really say anything of substance and not very good at defending what positions he has taken a stand on. I'm not sure if I want someone of so little experience as President.
This is how I would like to see it play out: HIllary elected and breaks some of the ice by implanting some changes followed up by either Edwards or Obama at the next election to implement more changes. I say this because I believe people inherently don't like change and they especially don't like fast change. So if Obama or Edwards were to beat out Hillary and try to implement such sweeping changes, I don't think those changes could sustain themselves. Obama doesn't strike me as being very forceful and may buckle, and Edwards comes across as too forceful and I think would have trouble during their administrations amongst their peers.
I don't put much stock in polls....
however, McCain is the first to break the 50% mark. And I trust Gallup and rasmussen more than I trust Fox polls, CNN polls or other media outlet polls. Although CBS did show McCain with a lead too. Still, it is encouraging, and a pretty big whoop...lol
If polls are samples of what is to come...
that is very good for McCain. Still ahead in the popular vote and making big gains in swing states. So...great. If polls are a sample of what is to come...it is good news for McCain.
Polls as of today....
Gallup:
Gallup Daily: McCain 47%, Obama 45%
McCain retains a three-point advantage for the third straight day, 50% to 47% (see recent daily results).
Real Clear Politics
RCP Average 09/05 - 09/13 -- McCain 47.5 Obama 45.2 McCain +2.3
McCain has also diminished Obama's lead in many of the "swing states" and is even within 2 points in Pennsylvania, which is unheard of. Pennsylvania nearly always goes democratic. McCain leads in Ohio. He has gone into the lead in New Mexico and Nevada. That has been steady for several days now.
All that being said...the polls said Kerry should have won many states handily...but he didn't. Polls can be very misleading. We won't know until election night...although this is the first time in how long that a Republican was leading in the polls at this point?
It is a very interesting campaign, that's for darned sure.
Polls are usually wrong. I don't put much
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latest polls
SP sinking . . . losing her "oh look at the shiny new object" diversionary value. Obama on the upswing . . . and these were before the latest financial fiasco which McCain and Gramm had a hand in by deregulating financial institutions.
latest polls
Obama up in swing states FL and PA due to financial crisis.
Polls don't mean didly
Unless you only keep track of them when your candidate is up. However, don't know where you got this poll, because the one I saw today said FL is very tight with McCain leading by 4%. They also added not to get to comfortable with that because polls change on an hourly basis. But in all the polls they put up there McCain was ahead by at least 4 points or more in most of the states. But like I say, polls are polls and they don't mean diddly.
If your going to go by polls then use more than just the ones that favors
As of today - Taken from polling websites and CNN
Gallup -
Obama 47, McCain 44
Rassmussen -
Obama 38, McCain 58
Battleground Tracking - Obama 46, McCain 48
American Research Group - Obama 41, McCain 53
In Ohio CNN poll gives McCain a 3 point lead (48-45)
In NC McCain has a 10-point lead
In Indiana McCain has a 6 point lead
Wisconsin has voted for dems in the last four elections, this time Obama only has a 3 point lead
My point is whether McCain or Obama is ahead it doesn't mean diddly and by posting only the polls which favor your candidate while ruling out the others is just another spread of propaganda and does not validate your claims.
Polls mean nothing. Don't trust them. - sm
Polls have always been used by the media to sway people to vote one way or the other. I have no idea how they can even count them as reputible. The real poll is when people vote and I have never heard anyone say that they are voting a certain way because of the polls. What we are hearing on the news is made up to fit whichever news station you ware watching and from what I see and read on the internet the polls change hourly.
I'll believe polls when
I see how many illegals are in them.
The polls are not accurate...
slanted for obama like everything else the liberal media tells you. People (myself included) tend to believe what they want to believe
Yeah? I saw polls where they were only
2 points away from each other. I've seen polls where they were 5 points away all in the same day.
Don't count on the polls for the decision and I don't think you should be so smug about it. He may still lose. Then what are you going to say?
does anyone know anything about registering at the polls?
I just got a call from my daughter who lives in Arizona. She went to vote this morning and was told she was not registered, even though she has voted there before! So they went and had her register on site but then told her she could fill out a "provisional ballot" but that her vote would not count! What??? Does anyone know anything about provisional ballots or the whole "registering at the polls situation? Please, reliable info only. No bashing! I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
Well, when you look at the national polls
and see that 37% of Americans are in favor of the bill, I guess you can say that *most* people don't want this stimulus!
i dont believe those polls
How do u know those polls, any of them can be trusted? You don't.
again, I really dont believe ANY of those polls.
It's kinda like how they were saying our economy is fine but we all could feel that it wasn't. 
Yes, I am very derogatory about faith. sm
Thank you for noticing. Let me respond.
You wrote:
>>yet I think it takes much more "faith" in a ridiculous theory that a one-cell amoeba crawled out of a mucky ocean somewhere and through "evolution" became man. You can't "prove" that, scientists can't "prove" that, but you believe it...because somebody said and it wrote it down...sound like the Bible? lol. That too is "faith." >>
Well, first of all you're mistaken. Scientists can prove evolution and have. The only people left still trying to deny evolution are doing so because it challenges or threatens their religious beliefs. For the rest of the world it's clear there is overwhelming evidence for biologic evolution and natural selection as the way that life developed and continues to develop (or become extinct...) on Earth. Please, read up on it. Fossils. Dinosaurs. It's facinating.
Note that I'm not talking about the *origin* of life, about how it all get started. Neither science or religion can answer that question. Religion says God made everything but it doesn't answer the question of who or what made God. And evolution doesn't answer the question of how the universe and our planet came to exist in the first place, just how life evolved here on Earth. (Though I think it's entirely possible science will eventually be able to answer this question.)
Second, what you wrote is not a valid arguement because religion and science are not on equal footing. They're two completely different things. You're trying to compare apples and oranges. Let me give you a nice long quote from one of my favorite authors, Richard Dawkins (which should come as no surprise to you) because he explains it far more eloquently than I can:
'(Religious) fundamentalists know they are right because they have read the truth in a holy book and they know, in advance, that nothing will budge them from their belief. The truth of the holy book is an axiom, not the end product of a process of reasoning. The book is true, and if the evidence seems to contradict it, it is the evidence that must be thrown out, not the book. By contrast, what I, as a scientist, believe (for example, evolution) I believe not because of reading a holy book but because I have studied the evidence. It really is a very different matter. Books about evolution are believed not because they are holy. They are believed because they present overwhelming quantities of mutually buttressed evidence. In principle, any reader can go and check that evidence. When a science book is wrong, somebody eventually discovers the mistake and it is corrected in subsequent books. That conspicuously doesn't happen with holy books.'
Now to your next question:
>>And I do not understand why you have to protest against something so strongly that you feel does not exist. Why would you bother? Why does someone having a life-changing experience bother you so much?>>
The part that bothered me was not someone having a life-changing experience. What bothers me is religion. I should think that was clear. What irritated me was the comment made in the post about athiests. It was an opinion presented as fact. That irritated me enough to cause me to respond. (BTW, did you read the whole thread, or just that part? We were talking about the bible.)
You also asked why I would bother to protest about something I don't believe exists. Are you kidding me? Look at the board we're on. It's a political board. I don't believe God exists, but religion sure does and I don't want its influence in our government. I don't have time to list all the reasons I have for protesting, but that's probably the biggest - the fact that I don't want to live in a theocracy. I don't want a president who believes God talks to him and tells him what to do, for example. I want religion to stay out of our goverment, at every level. This country is not only about freedom OF regligion, it's about freedom FROM religion.
I SO agree and we are not of the same faith
I do not think Chronicles is in my bible - I have to go check that....but regardless, I totally agree with you. It says in my bible something like when chyt hits fan, it's gonna happen from the inside out.....this, to me, would be IT. I'm so not voting for him......nothign really against him, per se, but he's saying he's gonna fix every single problem in the USA - well, our economy sux....so where is the money coming from? Rhetorical question bears no answer - because it's going to come from us. Another thing - he does not have the amount of experience (governmental and the rest of it) for me to be comfortable with him as president. he ain't no JFK who came from a HUGE heavy background of experience(s). No offense meant to anyone but personally, I hope he loses - and Michelle said a month ago or two, *we are only going to do this once, and if we don't win, we are not going through this again* - I'm so praying for that to occur. y opinion, please no flames.....to each his/her own about who they want in office. 
I'd prefer someone than anyone who was running for this....but that's not gonna happen, unfortunately!!
We shall see. I never put much faith in blogs...
but, perhaps those who go to Obama will be replaced by those who come to McCain from the other side. Sorry...nothing will dampen this for me today. :)
I person of faith
who pubically ridiculed the Bible in a speech. A man who has sketchy associations. A man who attended a school in Indonesia were his school records list his religion as muslim and yet he denies ever being a muslim. A man who allowed his children to be baptized and attend a church where the pastor preached hate messages. A man who supports partial birth abortions......
Please excuse me while I vomit!
Isn't that what's known as 'blind faith'?
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Blind faith.....
In a way it is. I have faith that God is there for me. That doesn't mean things are sugar and honey all the time, because they're definitely not.
Jesus ask of to just have the faith of a mustard seed. He is asking us to have no more faith than that of the size of a mustard seed, which is meniscule, and you will be surprised where that will take you. You know, we are asked to ask questions of God, to seek him, and ask Him to prove Himself. What better way for God to show us his love than to ask Him to prove himself?
You might just see great things happen in your life.
Having respect for faith all around?
I do. Faith and religion, two different things. I respect everyone's right to pray. I just don't think it should be made into a political issue like it has been done on this board. If it was truly a prayer request, why wasn't it on the prayer request board and the faith board?
Who put faith in what government?
Who put faith in what government? I for one put NO faith in Bush from day one....he was a disastrous governor in the Lone Star, and I knew by the time he got finished with America and Americans, that we would barely be able to recognize it. You are right. The shrub did inherit at least something he should have been able to work with, but evidently it was beneath his pay grade to pay attention to such things since he had wars to wage.
Obama wants to restore a little balance...another thing the shrub monkeyed around with...especially his notorious distain for judicial powers and addiction to executive privilege. We need to take out that generic "government" reference and replace it with republicans failed us. The more power they get, the more they will fail us. Voters get that now.
Why are you lying? Obama wants stricter gun controls. He cannot take your precious guns away from you without a constitutional amendment. Defend yourselves against what? You really are a paranoid bunch, aren't you? Uh, oh....your argument just fell apart. So I ask again, can anybody explain Reagan's rambling incoherence?
Oh ye of little faith. Go to the top of the page.
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Right. Why cant he have faith in the people rather
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THIS IS NOT THE FAITH BOARD.
This is the POLITICS BOARD.
And those of different faith are probably praying
Everyone, regardless of their personal religious beliefs, is worshipping the "true" God, the one that is "true and living" to them.
No religion is better or "truer" and more "living" than another.
Your creator is "true and living" to you. Someone else's creator might be just as "true and living" to them.
No, it's called faith
and you really have to have an open mind for that. ;-)
I actually don't really care what his faith is...
and I don't care whether or not he carries on an 8 year tradition--that is between him and his God. What I don't understand is why the big announcement. If you don't care to do it, don't do it, but why make a big deal of announcing that you don't care to hold a prayer. It is almost as silly as making a big deal about eating at a burger joint.
you are still placing faith in what you sm
have done and not the finished work of Christ on the cross. You are not your own "god" which is where you are placing yourself. If you have not accepted Jesus as your Savior you will be told "depart from me ye workers of iniquity, I never knew you."
The "christian religions" that have rejected the teachings of he** will also be held to account. Again its not about religion but about salvation which is contained in the Bible, the Holy, innerrent word of God.
I pray you reconsider.
You don't know me or my faith - so don't assume
And looks like the saying is true about people who assume things.
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