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I'd appreciate it if you would leave my daughter out of your agenda.

Posted By: MM on 2005-07-20
In Reply to: So you and your daughter have no problem with people who wish for people and their children sm - Really??

I mentioned nothing of her political opinions or what she "thinks." I merely said I baby-sit for her occasionally and use her computer.  for you to try to drag her into your accusations is typical of what I have seen happen on the other board.  It's inflammatory and untrue, but it's how you people seem to create your "facts." I can assure you that my daughter has her own political opinions, and she and I don't always agree, unlike you, but we at least respect each other's right to their opinion and often have respectable, interesting, informative debates with each other.  She was taught respect and learned it very well. You can't hold a candle to the intelligent, respectful young lady that she is, so don't even try because you're way out of your league. As far as going back to the conservative board, thanks, but no thanks. I've already explained my reasons for not going back there any more. People are much more respectful of differing opinions on this board.


My post to gt was simply to tell her that I understand what it's like to be accused of all sorts of things simply because you post on a board.  It happened to me on the conservative board on my first (and last) visit there, which is why I won't return.


Do I think some of the things gt said were over the top?  I sure do.  Do I understand why she said them?  My guess is that she was trying to communicate with you in the only way you seem to understand, since civil attempts don't seem to work with some of you people.  I think I can "understand" her motives, just like some of you "understand" why Eric Rudolph murdered innocent people. And between the two, I'd much rather try to "understand" gt than "Eric" (as he appears to be affectionately referred to elsewhere on this board).




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    They have the same agenda. The only thing different sm
    about Democrats and Republicans are the issues, and the issues are what divide us. The issues cause arguments, which distract us - the old divide and conquer tactic better known as the false left right paradigm. The Bush and Clinton families are quite friendly, even vacation together.
    I merely posted who they are and what their agenda is...
    that is not attacking the messenger. That is presenting the other side. Why do you object to presenting the other side?
    Behind the Obama Agenda....sm




    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/546-behind-the-obama-agenda
    a bold agenda

    and worthwhile getting started but I believe you have to be dead 100 days or 100 years to get a national holiday. Something about historic prespective or some such.


     


    Radical Agenda...

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/25/boxer-seeks-ratify-treaty-erode-rights/


     


     


    Since you seem to know, just what is the "conservative agenda", please? sm
    ..and kindly provide references from the conservative sources themselves, not from liberal sources that are a little too prone to misinterpretations and mischaracterizations.

    Thank you. I apologize in advance if this request imposes a burden on you to get your facts straight, but you'll be better informed for having made the effort.
    I do not understand what the agenda
    is when scientists around the world have already declared their findings do not support gore's. We are not doing anything to effect melting of ice caps on jupiter. The sun has just entered its new 11 year sun spot cycle with the peak about halfway through and as a ham operator I know what this does to communications. why is this myth persisting. what a bunch of youknowwhat. take the old nursery rhyme of "black sheep, black sheep have you any wool" and change it to black sheep, black sheep, have you any bull. yes sir, yes sir, 3 bags full". and before anyone even goes there, I have heard that in my mind for years and it has nothing to do with O. I do have a question for someone: On my phone bill since I came up to stay with Mother, I am being charged $5 a month for NOT using long distance. This is now taxed city, state and federal. Does this seem legal?
    Americans tired of GOP agenda.
    From pensitoreview.com where full story can be read:

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
    Sen. Nelson: Americans Are Fed Up with GOP
    Posted October 5th, 2005 at 10:06 am by Jon

    Boston.com:

    The nation has become fed up with Republican leadership and the United States can still free itself of foreign oil in 10 years if it focuses on alternative fuel like ethanol, Sen. Bill Nelson said Tuesday.

    In a wide ranging interview with reporters, Nelson, D-Fla., cited Republicans’ intervention in the Terri Schiavo case, the skyrocketing federal budget deficits and the war in Iraq as reasons why public opinion is turning against the GOP.

    “It started with Terri Schiavo,” Nelson said. “I think what you’re seeing is a reaction — that people are saying I have enough of this intolerance and trying to cram their agenda down the people’s throats. People are getting tired of that.

    He also points to the White House not responding quickly enough when Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans and Mississippi and failing to work with oil companies to reign in rising gas prices.

    “I can’t tell you how many Republicans have come up to me and said ‘I am off the reservation because of the fiscal policies of this administration, spending so much money like a drunken sailor,’” Nelson said. “All of these things are coming home to roost.”
    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    Better late than never, I guess - now all we have to do is get rid of those hackable electronic voting machines and we can do something constructive about it.
    No, it's not an evil agenda...I agree...sm
    And in a perfect world America would be 100% Christian and we all would believe and think the same way, but we don't. Along with bringing their faith, our leaders have to bring the wisdom on how to be a leader for 100% of the people, and that includes the 49% that didn't vote for him.

    Go to Obama's web site to see his agenda. sm
    There you will find very detailed solutions that he lays out for America.  Of course experience is a good thing, but the trouble is the longer a person is embedded in the political establishment the more entrenched they become in "business as usual." Business as usual has netted little in this country, especially regarding the middle class.  I can't say Obama is the magic bullet here, after all he too is a politician, but a little less entrenched, and maybe it's worth a shot to see if someone with a little less "insider experience" could start to turn the country in a different and better, direction.  What do we have to lose?
    And LOUDLY indicative of O's agenda! nm
    nm
    my daughter is getting

    her Master degree in business.   She has a beautiful little 4-year-old son born in wedlock. I a progressive politically.  Boggles the mind doesn't it.


     


    I would say that if my daughter...(sm)

    did a study group at home but couldn't accommodate parking without bothering her neighbors, then she needs to get her behind out and go to a library or something.


    I'm not saying that it's the neighbor's fault.  At this point what all of us know about this case is speculation, and that amounts to squat.  So at this point we don't know if they just had mean neighbors, or if the couple was in a war with the neighbors, or if it was or wasn't a hit against christianity, or about 100 other things that could have played into it.  That is the point of my post....to point out that this could be the result of a lot of things, not necessarily just to get at christians.  I think way too much has been assumed in this thread about the situation.


    Freedom agenda in the Middle East?

    Did Bush campaign promising a freedom agenda in the Middle East?  I must have missed that during the debates.  In fact, he specifically said he was against nation building when he debated Gore, although in all fairness, he didn't say he was against nation wrecking.


    I guess he doesn't understand that the decider created more suiciders than he got rid of.


    I can't wait to see how his base spins the long awaited truth from Bush's own lips that there were no WMDs and that Iraq had no ties to 9/11.


    May God help us all.


    Bush had a personal agenda for this invasion.
    Al queada is in 80 different countries, mostly Pakistan.

    No, this is about the children. Because if we cannot get this country straightened out now, it could send the entire globe into a recession since it is a dollar based economy world wide for the most part. Imagine: Tube socks at Wal-Mart costing 55.00 rather than 5.99. Imagine, a dollar having the value of a nickel.
    Imagine empty store shelves. This is what is at stake.

    You need to read more books from both sides. Tune into all stations. I force myself to listen to Bill O'really and Rush ::gags:: when major events take place just to see what their perception of events are.

    There really is two Americas and you and I, we live in the same one. McCain doesn't consider a person rich unless they have 5 million dollars - doesn't that say something?

    did you watch the 9-11 coverage on national geo? Did you see the errors made prior to the attacks and during the attacks? It was due to an unsophisticated system which the military used. Two fighter jets were out over the Atlantic ocean while the 2nd jet flew into the 2nd tower. "We were confused" "fog of war" how many lives that would have saved.

    No, militarily the U.S. is weak and just about every general has said this that wasn't hand picked by Bush as a puppet. And have you heard: Iraq has a 63 billion dollar surplus but is not paying back the U.S. because "they destroyed the country." What????

    Beating a dead horse. I can hear you now.

    There are even wealthy democrats who would like to see McCain win - for the tax cuts. I am very suspicious the delegates who voted for Obama may have considered that. Even Keith Obermann, who actually read Obama's speech minutes before he hit the stage, ruining the ability for the audience to experience a thoughtful speech. He read it off like it was a lunch menu. And he is supposed to be a liberal democrat.

    When the rich are against the poor, a country ends up corrupt. And that is what McCain is representing, the wealthy class.

    Republicans = the rich and the fools.
    What exactly was President Bush's agenda for locking them up?

    Somebody has to pay for 9/11.  Somebody has to pay for the USS Cole.  The right people are locked up.  Excuse me for not crying about their civil rights or worrying about how they are interrogated.  National security is why President Bush locked those terrorists up, national security and justice. 


    And I do have a grip -- a firm grip on reality.  I don't live in Obama-land.


    Ending the Hidden Agenda Behind Tax Cuts

    by: Joe Brewer, t r u t h o u t | Perspective


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    The way that taxation is viewed by the public has a lot to do with the way politicians frame the debate. (Artwork: inventions-guide.com)



        Something as simple as a metaphor can mean the difference between shared prosperity and widespread suffering.

        It's time to tell the truth about tax cuts. This phrase dominates political discourse and is coughed out every time a conservative public figure opens his mouth. It is treated like the basis of sound reasoning, yet no one points out what should be obvious - that "tax relief" and "tax cuts" are just code words for destroying the capacity of government to serve the public.

        We've heard over and over again that the source of society's problems is the government. The solution that follows is to "trim the fat," "cut out the waste," "shrink the government" and provide "relief" to millions of citizens who suffer the burden of exploitation by Washington elites. This story flies in the face of the facts, yet it makes sense to a significant portion of the US population. How can this be?

        The answer has to do with how we make sense of things in the world. Our experiences shape what seems legitimate by reinforcing (or undermining) our ideas about the way things work. So, for example, a progressive politician may speak honestly and forcefully about the positive role of government in our lives. But this will fall on deaf ears if our typical experience is at odds with such claims. This observation demonstrates a key element of what George Lakoff and I have dubbed the Cognitive Criterion for Public Support:

        An effective policy must be popular if it is to stand the test of time and it must be popular for the right reasons, namely because it promotes the right long-term values in the minds of citizens, reinforced through the lived experience.

        The reason many people accept conservative claims about taxation and government is that they hold up for many common experiences, especially when conservatives are in control of the government. Conservative officials enact policies that make life worse for people while claiming that things will get better. Then they draw upon these negative experiences to advance their agenda. No Child Left Behind is an excellent example. The strategy works like this (a more detailed analysis can be found here):

    1. Declare that the agenda is to "improve" public education.


    2. Pass legislation that cripples public schools.

    3. Cry out for "reform" when people see how bad our schools are doing.

    4. Get rid of public schools and replace them with private schools, especially schools that teach conservative ideology (e.g. elite charter schools, religious schools, etc.).


        This strategy demonstrates how *cognitive policy* works. Emphasis is given to how people understand what is happening. The goal is to ensure that our experiences are interpreted through a conservative lens. It is not literally the case that taxation is a burden (a provocative metaphor), but rather that our common sense is influenced by a combination of our experiences in the world and the interpretive filters that give them meaning. (A key feature of how the political mind works, as I discuss in The Great Political Blind Spot.)

        Back to the hidden agenda behind tax cuts; we can apply this insight to see that conservatives *want* people to have negative experiences with government. Why? Because it supports decades of propaganda - and an underlying belief that stems from their worldview - that government is the problem. In the early 1970's, conservative elites started investing heavily in the creation of idea factories to spread their views far and wide so that they eventually became the new common sense of our culture. They had to work tirelessly for years to change the underlying values of American citizens because our long history has been devoted to advancing our most cherished values, which happen to be progressive. But, as we can see by the pervasiveness of their ideas today, this effort has been catastrophically successful.

        Now is the time to nip their bankrupt idea about taxation in the bud. The way to do it is simple. Take their reasoning to its logical conclusion and see what happens if it is applied to the real world. We can test the conservative belief about taxation against our own and decide what's best by looking at the outcomes.

        First, we'll need to be very clear about just what conservatives and progressives mean by taxation. Then we can apply these understandings to the world to see their consequences. (The insights that follow come from linguistic analysis of cognitive "frames" that shape political thought.)

        Taxation as Conservatives Understand It

        I've already alluded to an interesting metaphor that helps make sense of conservative thought about taxes, which I'll call Taxes Are a Burden to make it explicit. The understanding of taxation that follows from this metaphor can be seen in this story:

        Hard-working Americans are in need of some tax relief. Years of mismanagement by tax-and-spend liberals have taken money out of the hands of working people and put it into bloated government programs that serve special interests. We need to cut taxes, return fiscal responsibility to government, and put money back in the hands of taxpayers who know best how to spend it.

        This perspective is grounded in two beliefs: (1) The world is comprised of individuals; and (2) People are inherently bad and must learn right from wrong through self-discipline. I like to call this the "Me First" perspective because it assumes that people must help themselves before thinking about others. It can be summarized with the declaration, "You're on your own!" The Me First perspective assumes that any assistance from the community would be "coddling" or "spoiling" us. This claim is asserted as truth in the conservative worldview.

        Taxation as Progressives Understand It

        Progressives have a different understanding of taxation that can be expressed through a variety of metaphors: Taxes Are an Investment, Taxes Are Membership Dues, Taxes Are Pathways to Opportunity, Taxes Are Infrastructure and Taxes Are a Duty. (Read more about progressive taxation in "Progressive Taxation: Some Hidden Truths") Reasoning that emerges with these metaphors can be seen in this progressive story:

        Our great nation was founded on a promise of protection and opportunity. Through our shared wealth, pooled together by taxation with representation, we have invested in the public infrastructure that makes possible the creation of new wealth. We have a sacred trust to keep this promise alive throughout our lifetimes, expand it as we are able, and pass it along to our children.

        This perspective is grounded in the beliefs that (1) Individuals are influenced significantly by our communities; and (2) People are inherently good and benefit from cooperation with others. I like to call this the "People First" perspective because it assumes that people must help each other in order to enhance their ability to help themselves. It can be summarized with the declaration, "We're all in this together!" The People First perspective assumes that we are greater than the sum of our parts and that new opportunities emerge when we make wise investments with the common wealth we share.

        Truth and Consequences

        Now that we have a clear sense of what taxation means to conservatives and progressives, we can see what happens if these different ideas are used as governing principles for shaping society. This analysis accomplishes two purposes. First, it reveals key truths about taxation that complicate arguments made by conservatives, truths that don't get talked about nearly enough. And second, it exposes a covert agenda that deceptively exploits real concerns of people to advance an otherwise unpopular agenda.

        What happens if the Me First perspective is applied to taxation? Just look to the world we find ourselves in today. A problem defined as "too much spending" leads to budget cuts. This results in a diminished capacity to provide vital services. Public goods like education, civil and criminal courts, road maintenance and fundamental scientific research are too costly for individuals - or even multinational corporations - to afford. So these services are cut and people lose their jobs. Thousands of teachers no longer cultivating young minds. Countless construction workers laid off when city and state governments halt infrastructure projects. Graduates with advanced degrees unable to find work because public agencies are "tightening their belts" and cutting back on grants to academia, nonprofits and the private sector.

        Beyond the direct human suffering of disrupted lives, there is substantial reduction in government programs that protect the public against harm. The FDA cannot staff enough inspectors to keep toxic peanuts out of the food supply. The EPA lacks capacity to keep drinking water clean in cities and towns across the country. The SEC is unable to keep a watchful eye on runaway speculation and our economy spins wildly out of control. Bridges crumble and levies break because funds are in short supply.

        The consequence of conservative ideology is a self-fulfilling prophecy. People are forced to be "on their own" with no protection against serious threats and no assistance to get them beyond their current means. When disasters strike, there is widespread suffering and death because the tapestry of society - our precious safety net - has withered and decayed. Think I'm exaggerating? I'll just say one word - Katrina.

        And despite their claims to the contrary, conservative leaders want this to happen.

        Contrast this with the People First perspective. Again, we can let experience be our guide. A decade of rampant deregulation, perpetrated by a conservative mindset about the relationship between government and the economy, led to the great stock market crash of 1929. A visionary progressive leader, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, stepped in and vastly expanded a wide variety of public programs. The flood of revenues accompanying this expansion was enough to put millions of unemployed back to work. New programs that embody the spirit of progress emerged in the decades that followed. Social Security, the GI Bill, Medicare and the FDIC are a few examples of the legacy this pooling of resources delivered to the American people.

        Along with this massive investment in societal infrastructure, Americans experienced tremendous growth of shared prosperity. For the first time in our history, an entire generation of children from working-class families moved up the economic ladder with college degrees in hand. Home ownership skyrocketed. Literacy rates went through the roof and new skills emerged to expand the capacity of markets. And two generations of people experienced the benefits of cooperation in their daily lives, codifying the ethic that we're all in it together as a bedrock of sound reason.

        I can attest to this from personal experience. Both of my parents came from working-class families. I was the first to get a college degree. Federal and state scholarships delivered me from the rural farm to the hallowed halls. And now society gets to benefit from the fruits of my labor as I work to transform our political system for the betterment of society. The cognitive policy of the People First perspective is a foundation of my identity in the world.

        The Hidden Agenda Exposed

        The progress of our nation is being held hostage by a malicious metaphor. Treating taxation as nothing more than a burden is tantamount to declaring that citizenship is nothing more than getting all you can for yourself … everyone else be damned. Conservative elites have undermined the responsibilities we have to one another to advance their agenda. They are fully committed to crafting the world in their image, as we've seen all too clearly these last eight years and throughout the current debate about economic recovery under the Obama administration.

        I say enough is enough. Let's call this tactic out for what it is. People are hurting in every corner of the land and they're looking for help where they haven't dared to look for quite some time - in the service of our representatives in the federal government. Conservatives will try to convince us that our hardships are caused by excessive government. The truth is that we are suffering under excessive conservative ideology of governance, which is a very different beast. They continue to claim that we can't get ahead because we're overtaxed. This claim is absurd!

        Not a single home foreclosure throughout this crisis has been caused by excessive taxation. The misfortune of illness in a dysfunctional health system has burdened people with horrendous debt. Where did this problem come from? Profit-driven health care created under the Nixon administration.

        Banks haven't failed catastrophically through oversized personal W-2 forms. Radical deregulation is the culprit. Who deregulated the market? Conservative ideologues from both political parties. (This is what the word "centrist" really means - conservatives who've infiltrated the Democratic Party.)

        Companies haven't been driven to huge layoffs because their tax burden is too high. They are victims of an unraveling market. What undermined the integrity of the global economy? An extremist philosophy of governance that is blind to the role of the regulatory frameworks that give stabilizing structure to our markets.

        What can we do to stop the conservative agenda? Call it out for what it is. When someone says, "People need tax relief," respond by letting them know that "We really need to invest in one another." Make it clear what the consequences of tax cuts really are - the destruction of our mechanisms for protecting and empowering one another. And let's stop taking their language for granted just because everyone is doing it. That logic didn't make much sense in middle school. It's all the more dangerous to follow as adults. Challenge the conservative meaning of taxation directly. Declare that we are decidedly NOT on our own. Point to the benefits we've taken for granted too long, things like education and schools and roads and courts.

        We mustn't stop with a critique of their ideas either. We need to fervently argue for our own. Together we are greater than the sum of our parts. A prosperous community is a place where neighbors pool their efforts for the greater good. Taxes provide resources for investments larger than anything we could build on our own. And these benefits create a space for new ideas to take hold and expand our wealth.

        Ideas matter. Words are important. We cannot afford to let a radical minority set the tone of public debate any longer. The time is ripe for moving beyond the era of misguided individualism. Let's take the momentum we've built in the last few years and place the United States back on a course that resonates with our deeply held values - caring for one another, expanding freedoms to the marginalized, and recognizing that our shared prosperity is at the core of our success as a nation.


    They aren't pushing a "gay agenda"...(sm)
    They're pushing TOLERANCE.....something you could obviously use a lessen in.
    I have a soon to be 9-year-old daughter and
    pregnancy and the allowance of it most certainly does concern me especially when McCain is in his 70s and not in the best of health already.  Yes, I was raised with family values and yes this absolutely does concern not only me but my husband as well.  Yes, this is a big focus right now on Governor Palin and her family values.  I'm only one voice, but one voice that is concerned about this teenage girl and it being "allowed" and "accepted."  This goes against any core family values I've learned my entire life.  Does this mean it's okay for her daughter?  Does this mean that this candidate will just "ignore" issues if she had to step in as President blaming us the country and not herself for her own misjudgements or her own "oversites?" 
    God bless your daughter..
    for having the bravery and the courage to serve and protect us!  May God keep her safe and protected and return her safely home!
    My daughter had to take out loans
    and work to save money for school. No Pell Grant for her because we make too much money. I guess my money went toward your schooling. Why didn't you just take out loans instead of being handed money from government?
    If his daughter is allergic, they may have to get
    hypoallergenic trait in poodles and some other breeds is dominant and carries over to the cross-bred offspring.

    I think a big, Standard Poodle would be a great First Dog! They are so much fun, yet calmer than the small dogs, and not yippy. Easily trainable, too.

    But it would be cool if they could get a shelter dog. Talk about good fortune for some poor, down-and-out dog... to go from the Pound to the President's dog!
    My 14-year-old daughter.
    The girls were together one night at a friend's house. They heard it through school that Obama family do not believe in Christmas gifts to the girls nor do they believe in giving Birthday gifts. There are also questions if Obama family believe in Thanksgiving.

    Looked on line (Google) and cannot get a straight answer, just that muslims do not believe in this either. Do not know that to think and so I asked.
    So what? And to not let your daughter listen to
    How bigoted is that? Children should be taught tolerance, not HATRED.
    Hmm, and just how would you treat your daughter
    if she said she was gay?
    EPA slants analysis to favor Bush's agenda

    Report Accuses EPA of Slanting Analysis
    Hill
    Researchers Say Agency Fixed Pollution Study to Favor Bush's 'Clear
    Skies'



    By Juliet Eilperin
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Saturday,
    December 3, 2005; A08


    The Bush administration skewed its analysis of pending legislation on air
    pollution to favor its bill over two competing proposals, according to a new
    report by the Congressional Research Service.


    The Environmental Protection Agency's Oct. 27 analysis of its plan -- along
    with those of Sens. Thomas R. Carper (D-Del.) and James M. Jeffords (I-Vt.) --
    exaggerated the costs and underestimated the benefits of imposing more stringent
    pollution curbs, the independent, nonpartisan congressional researchers wrote in
    a Nov. 23 report. The EPA issued its analysis -- which Carper had demanded this
    spring, threatening to hold up the nomination of EPA Administrator Stephen L.
    Johnson -- in part to revive its proposal, which is stalled in the Senate.


    The administration's Clear Skies legislation aims to achieve a 70 percent cut
    in emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide after 2018, while Carper's and
    Jeffords's bills demand steeper and faster cuts and would also reduce emissions
    of carbon dioxide, which are linked to global warming. The Bush plan would also
    cut emissions of neurotoxic mercury by 70 percent, while Jeffords's bill reduces
    them by 90 percent.


    Although it represents a step toward understanding the impacts of legislative
    options, EPA's analysis is not as useful as one could hope, the Research Service
    report said. The result is an analysis that some will argue is no longer
    sufficiently up-to-date to contribute substantially to congressional debate.


    The congressional report, which was not commissioned by a lawmaker as is
    customary, said the EPA analysis boosted its own proposal by overestimating the
    cost of controlling mercury and playing down the economic benefits of reducing
    premature deaths and illnesses linked to air pollution.


    EPA estimated the administration's plan would cost coal-fired power plants as
    much as $6 billion annually, compared with up to $10 billion in Carper's measure
    and as much as $51 billion for Jeffords's. It calculated that Bush's proposal
    would produce $143 billion a year in health benefits while Carper's would
    generate $161 billion and Jeffords would yield $211 billion. Carper's measure
    would achieve most of its reductions by 2013, while Jeffords's bill would enact
    even more ambitious pollution cuts by 2010.


    EPA spokeswoman Eryn Witcher said the agency based its cost estimates on
    mercury controls by gathering comments from boilermaker workers, power companies
    and emission control companies, whereas the Research Service used a single study
    to reach its conclusions on mercury.


    Clear Skies delivers dramatic health benefits across the nation without
    raising energy costs and does it with certainty and simplicity, instead of
    regulation and litigation, Witcher said. Because of our commitment to see this
    become a reality, EPA went above and beyond to provide the most comprehensive
    legislative analysis of air ever prepared by the agency, so it does a real
    disservice to this discussion to have a report that largely ignores and
    misinterprets our analysis.


    But aides to Carper and Jeffords said they felt vindicated by the
    congressional study.


    The CRS report backs up a lot of what we initially said about EPA's latest
    analysis, that it overstated the costs of controlling mercury and understated
    the overall health benefits of Senator Carper's legislation, said Carper
    spokesman Bill Ghent. The report clearly states that there's no reason to settle
    for the president's Clear Skies plan because the legislation doesn't clean the
    air much better than current law.


    © 2005 The Washington Post
    Company

    Well at least the blame agenda is still alive in the liberal movement. sm
    Nice to see some things never change. 
    What I find wrong is that he's pushing his own ego-driven agenda
    regardless of what anyone thinks. I think this is called FALSE reassurance.
    Okay, but you didn't answer the question... What was Bush's agenda?
    ?
    If you leave our board, I'll leave your board.

    My daughter has shunted hydrocephalus
    When she was 5 years old, she had totally unexpected abrupt failure when were out of town, and required a Medflight back home and immediate surgery with her neurosurgeon. I can't imagine if we had to wait for an MRI or CT scan with her. Universal health care scares me to death.
    Good luck with your daughter! sm
    I have kids are older than yours and while there has not been a pregnancy, there have been other issues we have worked through that floored me and shocked me, but we got through them.

    I have several friends whom are excellent parents, involved, church going, teach values ...could not ask for more.

    guess what???

    Their kids drink, try drugs, have sex and yes, indeed, some have gotten pregnant. I am not saying ALL teenagers do, because that is not true, BUT many, many do.

    IMHO, embracing it and loving your child when something like this happens is called unconditional love. It does NOT mean that you condone it or approve. But what is done, is done.

    p.s. (joke)
    just how do her parents "allow it?"

    Question about McCain's daughter
    What is really necessary for her to look up on the internet whether or not she was adopted???   Maybe looking in the mirror may have given her a clue!   And I thought Chelsea Clinton was hard on the eyes.  At least Chelsea is educated and a good speaker.  McCain's daughter looks challenged - and I don't be sport's challenged!!   How about Cindy's hair color - ain't that pretty?   
    Lets her daughter get pregnant ????
    I don't know ANY mother who would get up one day and say, "Gee, I would love to LET my daughter get pregnant". What do you think she should do, handcuff herself to her daughter and follow her around all day and night? Give me a break!!! There are mothers who are home all day with their daughters and they get pregnant. Who you wanna blame now!!!!

    Her daughter getting pregnant does not imply sexual abuse at all....I see two hormone driven teenagers. Lets not get so carried away that just because a teenage girl gets pregnant you jump on that stupid bandwagon of believing she was abuse. I feel pretty confident in saying she was probably a willing participant....now they both have to deal with the consequences just like others from the beginning of time......
    Congratulations, you have obviously raised your daughter right.
    xx
    Would love to be a fly on the wall if your daughter
    got knocked up despite being "taught not to get pregnant". Especially if that mistake were to end up tying her for 18 years of her life to some loser guy, and all the problems that can bring.

    So what exactly do you think will happen if the earth's population continues to grow at the rate it's been for the past 50-100 years? What kind of world does that leave your grandchildren? It's too crowded now - how horrible will it be when the earth's population doubles, then triples? Standing-room-only?
    Can't have your cake and eat it too, don't you want your husband, son, daughter...sm
    etc. to be paid what they are worth, to be paid enough they can save up and buy a home AND make the mortgage and insurance payments? Afford to feed their family without food stamps? We area a family of five, homeowners, trying to help our eldest with student loans to become a teacher, live VERY modestly, work overtime whenever we can, drive well-used cars that we OWN, and some weeks we have to put off buying medication or shampoo because we spent the family budget until the next paycheck. More working people, able to be consumers paying taxes, is one of the long-term fixes to any economy, we are not all George Bush's Halliburton and corportate/oil buddies, Japan made its working force world class by implementing higher wages, providing better benefits to workers, etc. America is way behind the times, and that is why we are in a boatload of trouble.
    Her daughter is not in politics - take it to the gab board
    Gloating about the sadness that some kids are going through belongs on the gab board. Her daughter and daughters bf never ran for a political position. It's bad enough to see the Palin bashing continue past the election (get over it), but to gloat about someone's misery is shameful, especially when they are not in politics. The OP was obviously gloating and it's disgusting to know there are people so spiteful that they can't let it go with Palin, they have to drag her kids (soon to continue to her family soon) into the bashing too and express their happiness about the awful circumstances her kids are going through - real nice!!! Take the gossip to the gab board.

    And if you look below you'll see many posts by me. I'm not a coward to use my moniker I've always been using.

    I guess it is the idea that in the spirit of Christmas the NRA is pushing their agenda...sm
    Is nothing sacred? And that goes beyond politics.

    Santa with a gun. Right over baby Jesus. Insinuating that Muslims want to blow up Christianity. All in the name of being able to bear arms.

    I can't name ONE act of terrorism in American history in the last 100 years that a citizen bearing arms would have saved ONE person from a terrorist.

    A gun wouldn't have helped anyone in the trade center, can't take them on a plane so wouldn't have saved any of the passengers, Oklahoma bombing, nope a gunn wouldn't have helped those victims. Just another scare tactic, exploiting 9/11 to push their agenda that was here before waaaayyy before the fact.


    The father of the Marine daughter also said the same thing. sm
    I guess they are all just misguided and brainwashed.  In fact, a lot of the military is saying this. But it doesn't shut people up, does it. Didn't in Vietnam either.  Well, freedom of speech works both ways.  But the left never seems to get that either.
    Maybe Palin didn't know yet that her daughter was pregnant when
    That is a possibility. The daughter might have tried to hide it until she started showing. I don't know the circumstances around Palin and don't pretend to know, but I knew of girls in high school with me who hid it from their parents well into their 5th or 6th month. Not until they started showing did they tell.
    Maybe they'll get their dog when Sarah Palin's daughter
    x
    oops typo, *Not Without My Daughter* (Sally Field).....
    xxx
    Did Palin's daughter actually give birth to the child?

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223



     


    of course he lied - but no one died - he had a young daughter to protect...
    All men would lie - when, in fact, it was nobody's freakin' business........that was Hillary's problem
    Palin's Wasilla has 42 meth labs and her daughter's new mother in law to be sm
    got arrested for drugs.

    JBB, you may have a point, so hard raising a daughter these days!! (Cute!) :-)........nm
    nm
    Three months after birth of baby Trip, SP's daughter and boyfriend kaput!
    Now did anyone see that coming or is that just something out of the blue? My goodness, would have never believed that. They really seemed like good heads on their shoulders, graduates, college bound, career-minded, responsible. Really shocking to me.
    so leave
    We make you sick but you just keep coming back and posting again and again and again. 
    I will leave that for you

    I will leave the hate for you and your warmonger group, you the one who says I will chain myself to the WH gates and blow myself up, you who says Im a satanist.  You are the one with the hate in your heart and soul and it comes through loud and clear. 


    Don't leave AW
    Dont' leave American woman. I am the original poster, and I don't care what someone who comes onto this board just to troll thinks in the least, it did not bother me at all, so hold on there, Quickdraw!