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So what? And to not let your daughter listen to

Posted By: his music because he's gay? -sm on 2009-06-09
In Reply to: Adam from American Idol is gay. - Upset

How bigoted is that? Children should be taught tolerance, not HATRED.


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my daughter is getting

her Master degree in business.   She has a beautiful little 4-year-old son born in wedlock. I a progressive politically.  Boggles the mind doesn't it.


 


I would say that if my daughter...(sm)

did a study group at home but couldn't accommodate parking without bothering her neighbors, then she needs to get her behind out and go to a library or something.


I'm not saying that it's the neighbor's fault.  At this point what all of us know about this case is speculation, and that amounts to squat.  So at this point we don't know if they just had mean neighbors, or if the couple was in a war with the neighbors, or if it was or wasn't a hit against christianity, or about 100 other things that could have played into it.  That is the point of my post....to point out that this could be the result of a lot of things, not necessarily just to get at christians.  I think way too much has been assumed in this thread about the situation.


I have a soon to be 9-year-old daughter and
pregnancy and the allowance of it most certainly does concern me especially when McCain is in his 70s and not in the best of health already.  Yes, I was raised with family values and yes this absolutely does concern not only me but my husband as well.  Yes, this is a big focus right now on Governor Palin and her family values.  I'm only one voice, but one voice that is concerned about this teenage girl and it being "allowed" and "accepted."  This goes against any core family values I've learned my entire life.  Does this mean it's okay for her daughter?  Does this mean that this candidate will just "ignore" issues if she had to step in as President blaming us the country and not herself for her own misjudgements or her own "oversites?" 
God bless your daughter..
for having the bravery and the courage to serve and protect us!  May God keep her safe and protected and return her safely home!
My daughter had to take out loans
and work to save money for school. No Pell Grant for her because we make too much money. I guess my money went toward your schooling. Why didn't you just take out loans instead of being handed money from government?
If his daughter is allergic, they may have to get
hypoallergenic trait in poodles and some other breeds is dominant and carries over to the cross-bred offspring.

I think a big, Standard Poodle would be a great First Dog! They are so much fun, yet calmer than the small dogs, and not yippy. Easily trainable, too.

But it would be cool if they could get a shelter dog. Talk about good fortune for some poor, down-and-out dog... to go from the Pound to the President's dog!
My 14-year-old daughter.
The girls were together one night at a friend's house. They heard it through school that Obama family do not believe in Christmas gifts to the girls nor do they believe in giving Birthday gifts. There are also questions if Obama family believe in Thanksgiving.

Looked on line (Google) and cannot get a straight answer, just that muslims do not believe in this either. Do not know that to think and so I asked.
Hmm, and just how would you treat your daughter
if she said she was gay?
I'd appreciate it if you would leave my daughter out of your agenda.

I mentioned nothing of her political opinions or what she "thinks." I merely said I baby-sit for her occasionally and use her computer.  for you to try to drag her into your accusations is typical of what I have seen happen on the other board.  It's inflammatory and untrue, but it's how you people seem to create your "facts." I can assure you that my daughter has her own political opinions, and she and I don't always agree, unlike you, but we at least respect each other's right to their opinion and often have respectable, interesting, informative debates with each other.  She was taught respect and learned it very well. You can't hold a candle to the intelligent, respectful young lady that she is, so don't even try because you're way out of your league. As far as going back to the conservative board, thanks, but no thanks. I've already explained my reasons for not going back there any more. People are much more respectful of differing opinions on this board.


My post to gt was simply to tell her that I understand what it's like to be accused of all sorts of things simply because you post on a board.  It happened to me on the conservative board on my first (and last) visit there, which is why I won't return.


Do I think some of the things gt said were over the top?  I sure do.  Do I understand why she said them?  My guess is that she was trying to communicate with you in the only way you seem to understand, since civil attempts don't seem to work with some of you people.  I think I can "understand" her motives, just like some of you "understand" why Eric Rudolph murdered innocent people. And between the two, I'd much rather try to "understand" gt than "Eric" (as he appears to be affectionately referred to elsewhere on this board).


My daughter has shunted hydrocephalus
When she was 5 years old, she had totally unexpected abrupt failure when were out of town, and required a Medflight back home and immediate surgery with her neurosurgeon. I can't imagine if we had to wait for an MRI or CT scan with her. Universal health care scares me to death.
Good luck with your daughter! sm
I have kids are older than yours and while there has not been a pregnancy, there have been other issues we have worked through that floored me and shocked me, but we got through them.

I have several friends whom are excellent parents, involved, church going, teach values ...could not ask for more.

guess what???

Their kids drink, try drugs, have sex and yes, indeed, some have gotten pregnant. I am not saying ALL teenagers do, because that is not true, BUT many, many do.

IMHO, embracing it and loving your child when something like this happens is called unconditional love. It does NOT mean that you condone it or approve. But what is done, is done.

p.s. (joke)
just how do her parents "allow it?"

Question about McCain's daughter
What is really necessary for her to look up on the internet whether or not she was adopted???   Maybe looking in the mirror may have given her a clue!   And I thought Chelsea Clinton was hard on the eyes.  At least Chelsea is educated and a good speaker.  McCain's daughter looks challenged - and I don't be sport's challenged!!   How about Cindy's hair color - ain't that pretty?   
Lets her daughter get pregnant ????
I don't know ANY mother who would get up one day and say, "Gee, I would love to LET my daughter get pregnant". What do you think she should do, handcuff herself to her daughter and follow her around all day and night? Give me a break!!! There are mothers who are home all day with their daughters and they get pregnant. Who you wanna blame now!!!!

Her daughter getting pregnant does not imply sexual abuse at all....I see two hormone driven teenagers. Lets not get so carried away that just because a teenage girl gets pregnant you jump on that stupid bandwagon of believing she was abuse. I feel pretty confident in saying she was probably a willing participant....now they both have to deal with the consequences just like others from the beginning of time......
Congratulations, you have obviously raised your daughter right.
xx
Would love to be a fly on the wall if your daughter
got knocked up despite being "taught not to get pregnant". Especially if that mistake were to end up tying her for 18 years of her life to some loser guy, and all the problems that can bring.

So what exactly do you think will happen if the earth's population continues to grow at the rate it's been for the past 50-100 years? What kind of world does that leave your grandchildren? It's too crowded now - how horrible will it be when the earth's population doubles, then triples? Standing-room-only?
Can't have your cake and eat it too, don't you want your husband, son, daughter...sm
etc. to be paid what they are worth, to be paid enough they can save up and buy a home AND make the mortgage and insurance payments? Afford to feed their family without food stamps? We area a family of five, homeowners, trying to help our eldest with student loans to become a teacher, live VERY modestly, work overtime whenever we can, drive well-used cars that we OWN, and some weeks we have to put off buying medication or shampoo because we spent the family budget until the next paycheck. More working people, able to be consumers paying taxes, is one of the long-term fixes to any economy, we are not all George Bush's Halliburton and corportate/oil buddies, Japan made its working force world class by implementing higher wages, providing better benefits to workers, etc. America is way behind the times, and that is why we are in a boatload of trouble.
Her daughter is not in politics - take it to the gab board
Gloating about the sadness that some kids are going through belongs on the gab board. Her daughter and daughters bf never ran for a political position. It's bad enough to see the Palin bashing continue past the election (get over it), but to gloat about someone's misery is shameful, especially when they are not in politics. The OP was obviously gloating and it's disgusting to know there are people so spiteful that they can't let it go with Palin, they have to drag her kids (soon to continue to her family soon) into the bashing too and express their happiness about the awful circumstances her kids are going through - real nice!!! Take the gossip to the gab board.

And if you look below you'll see many posts by me. I'm not a coward to use my moniker I've always been using.

The father of the Marine daughter also said the same thing. sm
I guess they are all just misguided and brainwashed.  In fact, a lot of the military is saying this. But it doesn't shut people up, does it. Didn't in Vietnam either.  Well, freedom of speech works both ways.  But the left never seems to get that either.
Maybe Palin didn't know yet that her daughter was pregnant when
That is a possibility. The daughter might have tried to hide it until she started showing. I don't know the circumstances around Palin and don't pretend to know, but I knew of girls in high school with me who hid it from their parents well into their 5th or 6th month. Not until they started showing did they tell.
Maybe they'll get their dog when Sarah Palin's daughter
x
oops typo, *Not Without My Daughter* (Sally Field).....
xxx
Did Palin's daughter actually give birth to the child?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223



 


of course he lied - but no one died - he had a young daughter to protect...
All men would lie - when, in fact, it was nobody's freakin' business........that was Hillary's problem
Palin's Wasilla has 42 meth labs and her daughter's new mother in law to be sm
got arrested for drugs.

JBB, you may have a point, so hard raising a daughter these days!! (Cute!) :-)........nm
nm
Three months after birth of baby Trip, SP's daughter and boyfriend kaput!
Now did anyone see that coming or is that just something out of the blue? My goodness, would have never believed that. They really seemed like good heads on their shoulders, graduates, college bound, career-minded, responsible. Really shocking to me.
As if you would listen. I might as well
nm
Don't listen to him either
I put him in the same boat as Rush, although I have to admit not as bad as Rush. Some of Savage's ideas I like, some I don't agree with. I like how he takes someone who is spewing utter garbage and puts them in their place with facts to back it up. He is pretty smart in that regard. Once we heard him and some caller was going on and on and Michael Savage told him he didn't know what he was talking about. They guy was getting so irate and Savage called him a rabbid dog foaming at the mouth then hung up on him. I can't tell you how hard we were laughing in the car thought DH was going to drive off the road.

I'll tell ya though. If I'm in the car and they are on the radio we will listen to them. We do take everything with a grain of salt because they all have motives.
Listen,

I was NOT the one who posted this.  Someone else made that connection and posted it, or they were a reader and are bringing it up again.  To give them the benefit of the doubt, I posted the link so they could see the issues and everybody up in arms about a simple word post, to try and quell the discussion, GOD forbid they attack that OP like you all did me.  My post was about the names and letters in the names and NOTHING trying to link the two.  JUST a name.  Get over it.


I already apologized for offending anyone.  Get over it.


By the way, maybe YOU should apologize for calling your fellow MTs "stupid" in your post.  That's real nice.  Any intelligent person can make their own mind up when it comes to the candidates, and they are not going to base it on their name.  That would be ignorant of them, now wouldn't it?


 


No sam, listen to me. I am only going to say...sm
this one more time and then I will give up. Last week when Bush presented the initial bill, wonder of wonders, would you believe it, the democrats where anxious to prove they were bipartisan and could have passed the bill he requested, not agreeing with everything but trying to come together for the good of the country. The republicans said no, we want some input, dems agreed and the conditions were added that the repubs asked for, now they are voting against a bill that has what they asked for in it, a bill that their republican president is asking for.
No one will listen until something happens to them. sm
They also rely too much on mainstream media instead of independent media. The media plays a huge role in keeping people divided, distracted, and deceived.
You are right, BT, listen up on the
to go will be the talk radio shows like Glenn Beck, Laura Ingrahm, you know the ones. The ones who have the audacity to mention the God word and other stuff like that.
Okay, listen up.
These people just got new jobs, just got their salaries, most probably top salary for them.


I know I don't make $100,000 or more a year.


And yet his first day, he is freezing their pay.


What is wrong with this scenario, you might ask?




What for it....




















No one probably gets a raise for at least a year anyway or more.




This is just a ploy, to satisfy us little peons in the moment.




Good grief. Get real people.
Oh, so you were there to listen? Really now
nm
If you listen all the way to the end.......... sm
he talks about starting a tae party in Chicago and basically inviting anyone who wants to be a part to attend. At least, that's the jist I got.
Listen to this guy. sm
He is a Iraq war vet giving a speech at a freedom rally. He is a great speaker, and sounds like he could be a future leader.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOp_9VfR6o
So because I would listen to a gay

person's music....that instantly makes me accept a lifestyle that I find to be disgusting?  That just doesn't make sense.  For someone who preaches God's Word and claims to live by them, you seem to have no problem judging someone for their sins.  You think people should hide their sins because they are ashamed of them but you can't hide your sins from God.  The only thing you can hide your sins from or at least try to hide them from are other people and that just makes you a hypocrit in my book.  Yes, we lead by example but we also have to show people that we too make mistakes and can overcome that.  Hiding our sins just makes us fake. 


If a gay person puts out a good song....I'm going to jam to it and that doesn't mean I condone their lifestyle.


I already suggested that but maybe she will listen to you. nm

I listen to my own soul
I dont speak for other people.  I speak for myself..If others do not agree with me, great, that is the beauty of America..they have that right..I do not walk in lock step like brainwashed republicans do.  I choose what party to belong to, whom to vote for, how to believe..It is all up to me.so other democrats do not agree with me?  Wonder how you have the inside on how other democrats believe..however, that is okay..they can believe any which way they want.. 
Listen, GIRLFRIEND....
No I am not kidding you. They may have fought him tooth and nail on everything, but what got passed got passed because they voted it in. Bill Clinton in and of himself did nothing except cigar toast Monica Lewinsky and bomb an aspirin factory. He alone could do NOTHING. Why you cannot get that, I don't understand. You need to get a library card and USE it and look at how the federal government actually works. And as to impeaching him...if those same Republicans had voted like they SHOULD have, he WOULD have been impeached, and you can thank them for THAT TOO, "girlfriend." And impeached he SHOULD have been! He BROKE THE LAW. He committed felony perjury. Lied under oath. A crime in all 50 states. Look THAT up in the library as well.
I do not dispute that...listen to what I am saying...
if he honestly did not want to be portrayed in that way, why would you he use an elaborate rock star set for his speech? JFK spoke to a huge crowd too but it didn't look like a Hollywood production. If he wants people to think he is just one of the guys, why not dial it back a notch? That is all I am saying. I am not saying he has to "say" anything. Actions speak louder than words. It is the fact that he keeps denying he wants that status and acts completely the opposite. As far as hs ability to run the country...that has been in doubt with me for a long time and has nothing to do with his rock stariness.

I don't know what George Clooney has to do with it...or what the title sexiest man in the world has to do with it...?


They wont listen anyway, Sam.
nm
okay peeps -- listen up, anyone not

thread below, just check this synopsis.


Sam thinks that no one is blaming the dems enough for this situation and it's not fair to the pubs that they don't get their fair share of lynching.


Everyone else is more concerned about the effects of this economic crisis on their lives. 


Maybe you should listen to what your own candidate said about
him when he was pressed.  He said 'he is NOT a socialist, he is NOT a Marist, he IS a good man."  With that from McCain's  own mouth, looks like you could at least agree with your own candidate and get over it.
Don't you listen to him talk every day? sm
Try googling his speeches and press conferences of late, specifically that "it's going to get worse, before it gets better" type of thing. He is "warning" us daily of how bad things are and are to come, especially if we don't pass all his plans and policies ASAP.


It's all a ruse, to enact all his social programs under the guise of fear. We can pay the bill later, doncha know.






Child, listen up.
You have no idea who you are talking to, yet you seem to believe you know all about me. I have voted in 12 presidential elections in my lifetime, the first one being when Barack Obama was 8 years old. I've been active in politics for nearly 45 years, take my vote very seriously and keep myself well informed on all issues from both sides of the aisle.

Your simplistic dismissal of the jobs loss problems as being atrributable to the illegal immigrants only demonstrates how superficial your understanding is on the subject and speaks volumes about the sources for your information. You, my dear, are the follower, not me.

My support of Obama is based on the emergence of the right man at the right time for the job. I did not cast my vote this time around on my own behalf, like years past. This time, I did it for the sake of my son and the kind of world in which I want to see him live out his years and I can assure you, I do not envision that world being handed over to the divisionist viewpoints you have expressed where its okay to single out any given group on which to dump responsibility where it does not belong.
Then again, how man of us really listen to Joe Biden??? .....sm
He may have great foreign policy experience and lots of years in the Senate, but this man, nice as he might be, has hoof and mouth disease. I hold my breath every time he opens his mouth, he spouts off all the time without thinking...dangerous!
This is the man the pubs listen to.
Beck began his radio career when he won a local radio contest to be a DJ for an hour, and was eventually granted a part-time job. He hosted Christian radio on Saturday, rock on Sunday and country on weeknights. In the mid 80s he worked at WRKA radio in Louisville, Kentucky as a morning-drive DJ. His show was called Captain Beck and the A-Team.

After graduating from high school, Beck pursued his career as a Top 40 DJ. By the time he was in his 20s, Beck was on WKCI-FM (KC101), a Top 40 radio station in Hamden, Connecticut, hosting the local morning show with Pat Gray. Originally the show was billed as the Glenn and Pat Show. When Gray left the show, Beck continued with co-host Vinnie Penn. While working in Connecticut, he appeared and sang background vocals on The Delrays' Red, White and Blues CD, a fund raising effort by then Governor John Rowland produced by guitarist Tom Guerra. The CD was well received and was promoted by a series of live appearances.Years later, he began to explore the world of talk radio with a three-hour program on KC101's sister station, WELI. Beck then worked at Tampa, Florida's WFLA-AM and launched The Glenn Beck Program during the afternoon drive, filling the slot held by Bob Lassiter after the station's new owners, Clear Channel, fired him. Beck hosted the new radio show, combining politics and comedy. In the first year, The Glenn Beck Program moved from 14th place to the #2 position.

His theme song back in the Tampa days was a copy of the song, "AM Radio" by the band Everclear. "You got Glenn Beck on your AM radio... AM radio."

Within 12 months, Premiere Radio Networks offered Beck the opportunity to go national. In January 2002, The Glenn Beck Program launched nationally; by May 2008, it had reached over 280 stations as well as appearing on XM Satellite. With over six and a half million listeners, it was ranked 4th in the nation.[2] In January 2006, CNN's Headline News announced that Beck would host a nightly news-commentary show in their new primetime block Headline Prime; the show, simply called Glenn Beck, began in May 2006.

On November 5, 2007, The New York Times reported that Premiere Radio Networks was extending Beck's contract. Two sources with knowledge of the deal said the five-year contract was valued at $50 million.[citation needed]

On July 21, 2008, Beck filled in for Larry King on the show Larry King Live.[3]

In 2008, Beck won the Marconi Radio Award for Network Syndicated Personality of the Year.

On October 16, 2008, it was reported by the Drudge Report and The Politico that Beck has signed a contract with the Fox News Channel to host a weekday show at 5pm ET beginning January 19 2009, as well as a weekend version. Because of his new deal, CNN immediately discontinued the show on October 17, 2008 and replaced it with a news hour anchored by Jane Velez Mitchell.

Is this the best this goofball has to offer you pubs...pitiful doesn't begin to cover it!
Okay, listen up - see message
You and others never once credited Bush with the good things he did. Believe it or not there was good he did in his Presidency (one example is finally getting my (and and many others) tax bracket down from 38% that was in when the Clinton (democrat president) was in office to 23%. Now that Obama is in my taxes are starting to skyrocket and I'm getting back up into the high 30 percentage again, unfortunately my pay hasn't gone up though. Like Obama, Bush walked into a "boatload of crap" that was left over from the Clinton administration. Sure he was not perfect, no man is perfect. He made mistakes - what man has never made mistakes. But he tried the best he could. Why didn't any of you give him a chance? You were too quick to condemn him. There is much he did I didn't agree with, but he was our President, and like you say "get over it".

What I am seeing here is anytime someone says they don't agree with an issue that's happening they are called racists or Obama bashers. We are not Obama bashers or racists, we are loyal United States Patriots concerned about our future, our children's future, our jobs, or homes, our lives. You think everyone is supposed to be happy happy joy joy about seeing the country being destroyed and not say anything??? This has nothing to do with the Captain incident, this has everything to do with the direction (dark hole) he is taking our country. When I see my job and my friends jobs going away, when all the campaign promises he promised us he is going back against (which none of you will ever comment on that), yeah we're pretty upset. You think we should all just walk out of our homes, and just go sit on a street corner hoping someone will throw us some change so we can get something to eat and be happy about it?

I didn't see the show with Newt Gingrich, but you know what, talking about the new dog is a stupid thing to talk about on a show when most Americans who are very concerned and upset about what is happening and how that is going to affect our lives - well you know what, we give a rats you know what on what kind of dog or what they name the dog. They want to have a dog, fine, who cares. Most Americans trying to save themselves from being foreclosed or losing their jobs do not care about the dog. Just like we didn't care about the first President Bush's dog. Obama wants to write a book about his dog, fine, but I don't tune into the Sunday political shows to listen about their pets.

You are mistaking "contempt" with "concern about our futures".

We are wanting to talk about the direction our country is going, issues, the mistakes that are being made and how can they be fixed. The damage being done to our country. If you don't like it - too bad!
Well I just had a chance to listen

to this and you kinda misrepresented what he said.  Surprise surprise.


He said he hated about 10 people out of the 3000 plus 911 victims' families who won't stop complaining, then he compared the people in New Orleans who were making it hard on everybody else there by not cooperating to those same type of people who are never satisfied no matter how much people are trying to help them.


I completely agree with everything he says on this.  I never really felt sorry for the people in New Orleans who refused to leave when they knew way ahead of time that a disaster was looming. 


Wow - people in this country actually LISTEN
ugh. DOUBLE ugh.