If McCain were elected and fell dead, I would hate to see Palin try to run a country with her wild
Posted By: pc on 2008-10-07
In Reply to: So he should win just because - sm
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Voting for McCain-Palin. Not reading any more hate
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I want to live in a free country - I'm for McCain/Palin
If I want a socialist country I will go with Obama/Biden.
I wasn't wild about Palin, but
she is a woman; that means she is TOUGH. She can take it.
She is in state politics & was on the national political stage for a short time. The stakes are high in those arenas. She was willing to take a huge risk because the payoff would have been world-class. Like I said, I didn't think she had the makings of a VP, but I have to respect her for putting it out there & trying her best, which I think she did.
I have to ask myself if we would be so worried about her if she were a man. If this is the case, it's because society says we should not associate "female" with "strength." We should define the terms for society, not the other way around. Stop worrying about her feelings so much. I'm not saying this because I think humanity's ultimate goal is to stop caring about each other, I'm saying it because I think the first stages of equality involve playing by men's rules. When the playing field is equal, women will be more free to define the terms.
Not anymore...they are dead even. Everyone is bailin Palin...nm
the honeymoon is over!!!!
Obama is back on track again..WOOHOO!!!
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If McCain were elected and were to die, she would be...sm
a puppet president with the strings being pulled by the extreme religious right wing. That is why he was under pressure to appoint her. Now they will support McCain, tit for tat.
My advice would have been to have Colin Powell as a running mate, if he would even agree to do so, and to run on proper state of the art care for the injured troops coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan. I think that people would be able to swallow the war if they knew we didn't forget about the vets when they came home.
McCain is not 80. He would be if elected 2 terms (nm)
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had McCain been elected, then you would be in a trance...nm
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Hate to break it to ya, but the country is ALREADY a
Obama has friends who both hate the country and
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It is not HATE, it is love of country and depression
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No hate from me, just profound concern for my country.
I pray you're right and he does an awesome job. I would have no problem whatsoever apologizing for any negativity I've felt or repeated. I believe we all need to come together now and look forward.
Vote McCain and Palin! -oh and why does Palin
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Why do they hate Sarah Palin so?........sm
Hi there. Very thoughtful and intelligent questions you're asking. I'm going to post the following column I found, that explains this phenomenon very clearly, I think.
http://townhall.com/columnists/AndrewTallman/2008/09/09/why_do_they_hate_sarah_palin_so?page=full&comments=true
Why do they hate Sarah Palin so?
by Andrew Tallman
I assume it is unnecessary to answer the logically prior question of whether or not they hate Sarah Palin. The level of vitriol flung at her over the past week and a half by critics in every liberal outlet ranging from The New York Times to Air America is particularly awe-inspiring given that this is all the longer they’ve even known her name. Ordinarily, such hatred takes years to cultivate. The force and acceleration of their vehemence virtually demands psychoanalysis. Since this sport is in vogue, I’ll give my diagnostic skills a shot at the trophy.
Preface: There Is a Pathology
The natural first reaction of a Palin-hater to this column is to deny the hatred. They will say it’s her politics, her religion, or possibly the whiff of scandal some have managed to ladle upon her. But if they’re honest with themselves, they’ll have to admit three simple facts.
First, the reasons they give aren’t the reasons they hate. If they didn’t have these, they’d manufacture others. There’s an old story about a man asking to borrow his neighbor’s lawn mower and being told, “No, I’m making potato soup.” “What does that have to do with me borrowing your lawn mower?” the incredulous man replies. “Nothing, but if I don’t want to loan you my lawn mower, one excuse is just as good as another.” Likewise, Governor Palin is not hated because of whatever reasons they offer. These are afterthoughts to an animosity which is embarrassed to admit it was born prior to reason. Hence, refuting them will prove futile.
Second, even those who persist in asserting such reasons as their motive will have to admit that all of them put together still can’t justify the disproportionate vigor of their attacks upon her. To use an aging phrase, this is the politics of personal destruction; a nuclear response to what their own arguments admit is a merely conventional threat.
Third, no one can hate this deeply this quickly. Conservatives generally despise certain political figures such as Bill Clinton, Teddy Kennedy and John Paul Stevens. But it’s taken us years, sometimes decades to detest these people. Similarly for liberals, contempt only begins to describe their feelings toward George W. Bush, Rick Santorum, and Antonin Scalia. But, again, at least such a sentiment has developed over time. It took Sarah Palin less than a week to receive treatment these men have taken years to earn. Such an immediate mauling of someone’s character says far more about the predators than about their prey.
So, what explains this pathology? I have two mutually compatible theories.
Theory 1: The Cult of Personality
Barack Obama is the left’s messiah. Their hopes, their dreams and even their patriotism are at this point invested in him. He cannot be criticized. He cannot be joked about. And he most certainly cannot be mocked. All such response to him (perfectly normal with any other politician) is viewed as blasphemy rather than politics. Not only is the left salvifically invested in him, they secretly fear they have been too rash to the altar call. Calm reflection proves Barack Obama isn’t ready to be president yet, but who can resist the hope beyond hope that he’s more than just a golden voice reading a teleprompter?
So when little Sarah Palin comes along and castigates him with condescending satire, they react as any devastated schoolgirl with a crush would. Her speech stated every major flaw with his candidacy. Not just honestly, but with a Reagenesque comedic flair. And since their deepest fear is that everything she said about him is right, the only option to reconsidering their betrothal was to destroy her.
It’s pretty simple. If we disagree, you correct me. If I am silly, you ignore me. But if I articulate your own fears in attacking something you cherish irrationally, you excoriate me … as cover. As Robert Pirsig explained in his lovely novel on motorcycle maintenance, no one jumps up and down screaming that the sun will rise tomorrow. Highly emotional responses indicate fear and uncertainty, not the opposite.
Sarah Palin’s on-target reductio of Barack Obama turned their messiah into a joke, earning the very predictable treatment a heretic deserves. Disabusing people of a savored fantasy always does.
Theory 2: Her Non-Feminist Feminism
I used to marvel at the rudeness so often publicly shown to parents with many children. But then I saw how the very existence of such families exposes the guilt and self-doubt others feel about their own decisions to stop having children. The surest way to avoid dealing with these stifled concerns is to assault the character or intelligence of parents who dare to expose them with their large families.
So, too with Sarah Palin and the left. Her very life rebukes them.
She has five children, two of them after the age of 40. When her infant son was diagnosed with Down syndrome, she chose life. And when her own daughter was discovered pregnant, she helped her choose life, too. Without ever saying a word about being pro-life (to say it would have been superfluous), she demolished all the common arguments used in favor of abortion and family planning, totemic doctrines of the left.
But it’s more than just doctrine. It’s that so many people on the left have condoned abortions, helped others obtain abortions, or even had abortions themselves in the very same circumstances under which Sarah Palin chose life. Honest people are an affront to liars. Law-abiders are an affront to criminals. And the woman who has made pro-life “choices” is a stinging affront to modern feminism, which has spent decades trying to convince women that an unwanted pregnancy is like a disease and the unborn child something like a parasite.
They must demonize her because her choices so clearly condemn their own. Make no mistake, when your example disproves someone else’s deeply internalized rationalizations, they will try to destroy you. After all, the only other option would be to repent.
Conclusion
In “Beyond Good and Evil,” Nietzsche said, “Anyone who has looked deeply into the world may guess how much wisdom lies in the superficiality of men … let nobody doubt that whoever stands that much in need of the cult of surfaces must at some time have reached beneath them with disastrous results.” His critique of religion so perfectly fits probamaism that one is forced to conclude the latter is but a new flavor of the former.
There may be other pathologies at play here, but these explain both the left’s tsunamic response and why it struck last Thursday morning. It was the speech, stupid.
I do not hate Palin at all - I just think every story has 2 sides -
I don't think that the trooper would have been in trouble at all, nor would it have ever been brought up, had the trooper and Palin's sister not had an ugly divorce.
In my post, I clearly said that I would not have done what he did to his son, but I do know many men in law enforcement that would have done the exact same thing he did.
You have to read on that the taser was turned down to the testing setting (which is exactly what the law enforcement officers get tasered with in their training) and he did not do it intending harm.
You excuse McCain's lack of judgment, you excuse Palin's lack of judgment, but if anybody is not on their side you crucify them. Why?
Palin, so much to hate! I didn't see the message sm
you refer to but I will look for it. She is a caricature of a person.
Palin stating Africa was a country
Even after losing the election, VP candidate Sarah Palin has continued to be in the news for various reasons. Among them was the claim that Palin is so stupid that she thought Africa was a continent, not a country. She was also said to not be able to name the three NAFTA countries. The source: “Unnamed former McCain advisers.”
Makes sense, right? After all, Sarah Palin is your typical simple-minded, non-Ivy-League-educated, baby-making, hick conservative Republican, right? She was John McCain’s middle finger to the American people, right libs?
Well, turns out the whole story is false, a hoax, a scam.
Only this time, one of the guilty parties is Fox News.
Country first/Palin support of Alaska succession=topic.
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Yes, and McCain actually sacrificed for his country.
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McCain would sacrifice his country with
wanting to war with Iran and Russia. He is absolutely crazy for war, but you rightwingers like fighting, war, death and bloodshed, so he's your man. Might is not always right.
Has McCain really served this country
all his life or has he served himself? I am sick and tired of these career politicians. My opinion is that McCain will be the next Herbert Hoover if he is elected. What Obama will bring if he is elected I do not know but I do know that either politician who is elected, and one will be, they had better be a rocket scientist if they hope to save this country. Again, I'll take a chance on the unknown versus the known. I was going to do a write in for Lou Dobbs but the last few days he has really started to show that he is really a McCain supporter and I have lost a great deal of respect for him and his "telling it like it is" Mr. Independent.
As for Obama's birith certificate, I wish people would get over that. Donchathink if there was anything illegal about it the McCain camp would have ferretted it out? I do. Nothing but stupid rumors. I'm far more worried about Palin's air head than I am about Obama's birth certificate. Not to mention the question of McCain's judgment in selecting her as his running mate, which IMHO he selected her not for the "good of his country" but thinking she would get him elected. What does it say about him that he had only met her once? twice maybe? and really didn't even know her. His first major decision even before he was elected tells a lot about how he would run the country.......business as usual...do what's best for his big business cronies and to he11 with the American people, same ole, same ole.
And for the Democrats..........they don't have such a hot record either, passing the bail-out and trying to ram illegal immigration down the throats of the American people regardless of what the PEOPLE want.
Flame away, I'm in an unusually grouchy mood this morning.
Not backing McCain....just hate to know a low life
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John McCain actually sacrificed for his country.
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McCain sounds like he is putting his country first...sm
And Obama probably wishes he would have thought of it first.
I just saw Obama on TV just now, and he sounds rather childish about the whole thing, making accusations. Poor Obama.
He lost out on this one, and now he just plain looks bad. Not very presidential at all, I'm afraid.
How can one doubt that McCain served our country?
Did you miss the part where he was a prisoner of war and served our armed forces? Anyone related to a military member knows that they make less money than their civilian counterparts and, in exchange, get the honor of putting their own lives in danger to serve this country. I am sure that McCain did not want to be a prisoner of war and I can bet that it was not exactly self-serving. If you do not like his politics, fine, but don't cheapen his sacrifices to this country!
Me Too -Go McCain and Palin!
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Go McCAIN and PALIN!
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And McCain/Palin's could be
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McCain and Palin.......
No, I was talkig about "I'll help the poor, needy, and uneducated" Obama. That man is clueless as to what keeps most people poor, and I am NOT talking about those who really try and have fallen on hard times for reasons beyond their control.
I'm talking about the lazy souls that Obama knows will vote for him because they know he will continue the social programs, the free handouts, which will only continue to keep them poor and feeling entitled, with no motivation to do anything else for themselves. He talks a big talk like throwing more money at those kids is going to help their situation. He needs to get with the program...more money won't do a thing to help educate those children. Taking them from parents who are worthless might though, then the child might actually be able to make something of themselves and won't feel entitled and be fooled into those Obama scare tactics of how they NEED the government to take care of them. You better believe, millions will vote for him because they are afraid their monthly check might stop.
McCain/Palin
I think Sarah Palin has a backbone and is very bright. I would much rather see her as president if something happened to McCain than Obama's pick for VP. Now, there you would have some trouble. Personally, the only thing that scares me about Obama, is his wife. She is a shark and cannot be trusted. Of course, none of them REALLY can be trusted. I am just stating my opinion. 
McCain/Palin
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This is why I believe McCain/Palin will win
There are too many "changes" to his plans. His campaign motto is A Change we can believe in. How can we believe in it when he keeps changing it. He's saying and doing anything to get elected and people are gullible enough to believe it. I agree with above posters too.
It's better off dead than dead AND rude and OBNOXIOUS.
Please respect the monitor's rules, even though you think they're stupid.
If McCain/Palin win this election,
another catastrophic attack on US citizens happening not soon after. The rest of the world won't take another GOP leader in the White House lightly, especially our enemies. Hopes for a more peaceful world will be dashed, and you just KNOW that certain parts of the country are going to have what they consider a perfect excuse for another WTC-like attack.
Ladies, this election is far too important to the US and the rest of the world to be voting GENDER. As much as I would love to see a woman in the White House, this is the WRONG WOMAN, and most definitely the WRONG MAN.
We have already begun a downward slide in wealth, power & credibility, and other, much larger nations are on their way up. The warmonger currently in the White House, and those who aspire to follow, should realize that it's no longer so inconceivable that the next major war could end up being fought on OUR soil.
I agree that if McCain/Palin win this one,
Big-time.
I'm a McCain/Palin supporter, sm
And I think it's pretty silly to be focused on this so late in the game. I for one, am a woman and a republican (sigh and a poor one at that) and I for one don't think Obama was calling Palin a "pig", it was just his choice of phrases. Many have used it before.
Yeah, Go McCain and Palin! :)
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McCain and Palin supporters
feel the Obama supporters are making a mistake. However, we would not say that we deserve the downfall that will happen with Obama in office. No one deserves that even if you are stupid enough to vote for him!
It is a combo of McCain and Palin, get it? nm
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Anyone who hates McCain & Palin would think that
Unfortunately it is not true.
McCain/Palin - where's the beef?
McCain/Palin is my ticket
Isn't anybody on our board a Republican besides me?  I'm disappointed that McCain didn't start getting tough earlier in his campaign. He doesn't have the charisma and speaking style that Obama has, but I believe that he has what it takes to lead our country. I also think President Bush has done an excellent job.
Oh, okay, McCain and Palin are not moral, but
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If McCain/Palin win...heaven help us all! (nm)
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Uh, that's McCain/Palin - really do need to get that one straight
There is no such a candidate named McPalin. If so can you tell me what his first name is. Euphemism smeuphemism...there is no such person. Tired of hearing it. Do you hear us saying Obiden, or Obamaden? I would follow your advice if I were you - do try to read a little more.
Uh, that's McCain/Palin - really do need to get that one straight
There is no such a candidate named McPalin. If so can you tell me what his first name is. Euphemism smeuphemism...there is no such person. Tired of hearing it. Do you hear us saying Obiden, or Obamaden?
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Me too, and this Independent is voting McCain-Palin.
Was before the speech. Nothing changed. What is great about her is that she is everyperson. You can see her as your neighbor, chatting across the breakfast table. Regular people can identify with her. She is not a member of the "Washington cocktail circuit." She has been there, done that. She is a true reformer...thinks that politicians should not have planes, chefs and chaffeurs on the people's dime. I am tired of elitist politics as usual. I think she will have a very positive effect on Washington.
That being said, she is the #2. McCain has it hands down as far as national security is concerned. He won't tax us into oblivion, which will not help the economy, it will just make it worse. You cannot continue to put ALL the tax burden on the people who provide most of the jobs in this country. That makes absolutely no sense.
He has what she lacks; she has what he lacks. Win-win.
Definitely voting McCain-Palin. THAT is the change you can believe in.
Palin and McCain's Shotgun Marriage
http://www.truthout.org/article/palin-and-mccains-shotgun-marriage
Who is running for President - McCain or Palin?
Since Palin has come on the scene, she has been out front at every campaign stop. It seems as if she is running for President while McCain remains in the background and just applauds her. I don't think I've seen him open a campaign speech since her appointment. I wonder if this was intentional. Did they need to get him out of the spotlight or did she just take over?
I think McCain/Palin would be even WORSE than Bush!
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McCain and Palin take buses to many of their rallies....
Obama flies. So much for energy savings. I think flying everywhere takes more resources than a tanning bed. Good grief. LOL.
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