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Radical fundamentalist Muslims are rotting Europe from the inside out.  They know it and they are actually starting to admit it.  But their country had to burn before they took their cowardly unappreciative heads out of their hairy armpits.  France especially should be ashamed of their actions.  If ever a country should show some appreciation for the tens of thousands who died to liberate them...but then, they are French.  The only country in the world where every citizen can say *I surrender* in ten different languages.  Phooey on them.

Great post piglet.  I so agree with what you all had to say in support of changing our current system.  Canada probably has the worst universal healthcare system, and yet the average Canadian lives 3 years longer than the average American.  People always point to the flaws in their system and just assume that we will make all the same mistakes.  Of course their system has flaws, just as our system has many fatal flaws.  England and France actually have great universal healthcare systems.  Here is an article I found about France's successful program:

"France's model healthcare system
By Paul V. Dutton | August 11, 2007

MANY advocates of a universal healthcare system in the United States look to Canada for their model. While the Canadian healthcare system has much to recommend it, there's another model that has been too long neglected. That is the healthcare system in France.

Although the French system faces many challenges, the World Health Organization rated it the best in the world in 2001 because of its universal coverage, responsive healthcare providers, patient and provider freedoms, and the health and longevity of the country's population. The United States ranked 37.

The French system is also not inexpensive. At $3,500 per capita it is one of the most costly in Europe, yet that is still far less than the $6,100 per person in the United States.

An understanding of how France came to its healthcare system would be instructive in any renewed debate in the United States.

That's because the French share Americans' distaste for restrictions on patient choice and they insist on autonomous private practitioners rather than a British-style national health service, which the French dismiss as "socialized medicine." Virtually all physicians in France participate in the nation's public health insurance, Sécurité Sociale.

Their freedoms of diagnosis and therapy are protected in ways that would make their managed-care-controlled US counterparts envious. However, the average American physician earns more than five times the average US wage while the average French physician makes only about two times the average earnings of his or her compatriots. But the lower income of French physicians is allayed by two factors. Practice liability is greatly diminished by a tort-averse legal system, and medical schools, although extremely competitive to enter, are tuition-free. Thus, French physicians enter their careers with little if any debt and pay much lower malpractice insurance premiums.

Nor do France's doctors face the high nonmedical personnel payroll expenses that burden American physicians. Sécurité Sociale has created a standardized and speedy system for physician billing and patient reimbursement using electronic funds.

It's not uncommon to visit a French medical office and see no nonmedical personnel. What a concept. No back office army of billing specialists who do daily battle with insurers' arcane and constantly changing rules of payment.

Moreover, in contrast to Canada and Britain, there are no waiting lists for elective procedures and patients need not seek pre-authorizations. In other words, like in the United States, "rationing" is not a word that leaves the lips of hopeful politicians. How might the French case inform the US debate over healthcare reform?

National health insurance in France stands upon two grand historical bargains -- the first with doctors and a second with insurers.

Doctors only agreed to participate in compulsory health insurance if the law protected a patient's choice of practitioner and guaranteed physicians' control over medical decision-making. Given their current frustrations, America's doctors might finally be convinced to throw their support behind universal health insurance if it protected their professional judgment and created a sane system of billing and reimbursement.

French legislators also overcame insurance industry resistance by permitting the nation's already existing insurers to administer its new healthcare funds. Private health insurers are also central to the system as supplemental insurers who cover patient expenses that are not paid for by Sécurité Sociale. Indeed, nearly 90 percent of the French population possesses such coverage, making France home to a booming private health insurance market.

The French system strongly discourages the kind of experience rating that occurs in the United States, making it more difficult for insurers to deny coverage for preexisting conditions or to those who are not in good health. In fact, in France, the sicker you are, the more coverage, care, and treatment you get. Would American insurance companies cut a comparable deal?

Like all healthcare systems, the French confront ongoing problems. Today French reformers' number one priority is to move health insurance financing away from payroll and wage levies because they hamper employers' willingness to hire. Instead, France is turning toward broad taxes on earned and unearned income alike to pay for healthcare.

American advocates of mandates on employers to provide health insurance should take note. The link between employment and health security is a historical artifact whose disadvantages now far outweigh its advantages. Economists estimate that between 25 and 45 percent of the US labor force is now job-locked. That is, employees make career decisions based on their need to maintain affordable health coverage or avoid exclusion based on a preexisting condition.

Perhaps it's time for us to take a closer look at French ideas about healthcare reform. They could become an import far less "foreign" and "unfriendly" than many here might initially imagine."

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial...lthcare_system/

....I thank you for your response.  While I agree boxes probably arent' the best idea sometimes they make complicated ideologies a little simpler to understand, I guess.

Actually I would be very interested in learning all the posters on these boards beliefs/ideologies/hopes for the future.  I think we could do this without undermining each other or bashing.  Perhaps I'll post it at the top of the board some time as a new topic.

I think Phelps and his daughter were banned back in Feb.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7898972.stm

There are also a number of people on the list whose names have not been published.  I would love to see the entire list. 

We are talking about Obama here, not Bush the war monger. 

"There will always be a war that he needs them for and if there isn't one he will create one." 

You do realize that Obama was one of the few senators who voted completely against the Iraq war?  What makes you think he wants to stay in a war when all he has done is talk about how we need to get out of it?  That is just completely irrational.

"Why do you say the GOP is not funding the troops."

Ummm....because the vast majority of pubs in the house just voted against a funding bill?

It's me - the one who's been posting under all the gt alias joke monikers.  I just had to blow off steam after the conservative board debacle last night.  Don't know why I get involved in it.  My fall equinox resolution will be to inform, not condemn.

Thanks for tolerating my not-that-funny-ha-ha little joke.

A second false quote has Obama saying he would "stand with the Muslims," words that don't appear in his book. What he actually said is that he would stand with American immigrants from Pakistan or Arab countries should they be faced with something like the forced detention of Japanese-American families in World War II:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html

Off our meds, are we? - Mythbuster (Views: 33, 2009-03-10)

You might want to clean up your own backyard before you start on someone else's.

is not so much that he had an affair.  People do that all the time.  I personally think it's nobody's business, and that's how I felt about Clinton as well.  However, what we have here is a guy who has been preaching "family values" as a campaign slogan for how many years? and then this comes out.  It's the blatant hipocrisy that I can't stand. 

Also, this guy was supposedly a good candidate for VP next time around.  If something like this had been found out about Biden, the rght would have had a field day with it, just like they did with Clinton.

Thanks Brunson for you objective views....it is refreshing.  You know how to respectfully post and carry on an adult conversation.

The only reason I am posting here is to state this even though it's blatantly obvious American Woman is not me. 

I read here, but I don't post here.  I might post my responses to posts here on the C board....but other than to clarify like I'm doing now I don't post here....I made a mistake on Friday posting here, but I got my boards mixed up.  Have a great day!

James I. Blakslee

"Pledged to vote for Woodrow Wilson and support the reorganization of the Democratic Party"

"Democrats in every county in Pennsylvania have been betrayed times without number and to-day trickery and deception walk hand in hand to again mislead them"

"Canidates have been found, who, for a price, are willing to represent the twin-machine traitors."

"Every alert, active Democrat will easily detect the tricksters, and on Saturday, April 13th, 1912, between the hours of 2 PM and 8 PM, will register his vote for the Purification of this Party."

I get a kick out of that.