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side to the Iraq war.  What are the successes?  I am only asking because I want what you think are the successes.  Not bashing your opinion, just curious.  Because, I see no success in the thousands and thousands of deaths of our military and the civilians. 

I know I will get bashed about this but...  It just seems like we have enough going on in our own country that nobody is doing anything about.  We have wars here every day, many of us don't see it first hand because of where we live but go into any big city and you will realize it the wars kids have to avoid or fight just to stay alive.  I just wish Bush and Congress would pour more money into our fights and problems like they did in Iraq.  Maybe I am being selfish when I saw that I think our people should come first.

that RINOs finally declare their true party and leave room in the Republican party for true Republicans.  And Specter has, in an uncharacteristic moment of honesty (or senility,) illustrated the fact that every politician considers his first duty to be getting re-elected.  I hope that Specter gets soundly unpantsed in the next primary - as a Democrat.  That would truly put the icing on the cake. 

And about Specter, isn't it about time for this guy to retire?  He is a great example of the 'senator for life' syndrome. 

The Republican party put forth a very poor presidential candidate in 2008.  Maybe they learned from that experience and will return to more a conservative party line.  So if a few RINOs jump ship here and there, I think that's excellent.

September 18, 2008: Edge of Collapse

By Dave Gonigam

02/11/09 Baltimore, Maryland When Bob Woodward slaps together his next instant-history book about the Panic of ‘08 (c’mon, you just know he’s going to), I imagine the book will open with the events of September 18-19, 2008.

Just using public sources, it’s now easy to glean that on those two days, a run on money-market funds brought the financial system to the edge of collapse, and Hank Paulson was threatening members of Congress with martial law if they didn’t pass a bailout.

The collapse revelation came a few days ago from Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-Pennsylvania) when he was interviewed on C-Span.

On Thursday [the 18th], at about 11 o’clock in the morning, the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous drawdown of money market accounts in the United States to a tune of $550 billion being drawn out in a matter of an hour or two.

The Treasury opened up its window to help. They pumped $105 billion into the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide. We were having an electronic run on the banks.

They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts, and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic and there. And that’s what actually happened.

If they had not done that their estimation was that by two o’clock that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the United States, would have collapsed the entire economy of the United States, and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed.

Now we talked at that time about what would have happened if that happened. It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.

Couple this with the remarks of Rep. Brad Sherman (D-California) on the House floor just days after the first bailout bill went down in flames.  “Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill… that the sky would fall, the market would drop 2000-3000 points the first day, another couple thousand the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no.”

Careless bloggers have jumped to the conclusion this threat was delivered the same day there was a run on the money-market funds.  But by the recollection of Sen. James Inhofe — who confirmed to a Tulsa radio station it was Hank Paulson himself who delivered that threat — the discussion took place on Friday the 19th.

It’s possible Paulson resorted to such dire language because the Dow popped 400-plus points in the final hours of trading the day before on rumors that Treasury and the Fed were hatching one of their many rescue plans — a rally that continued into the first hours of trading Friday.  Ordinary scare language wouldn’t do under those circumstances.  Or it’s possible Inhofe’s memory is fuzzy and the threat came the same day that everything nearly melted down.

Well, I’m sure Bob Woodward can make a few phone calls and clear up any discrepancies on the time frame.  In the meantime, I’m more concerned about the potential for another Black Swan to show up before the month is out.

September 18, 2008: Edge of Collapse

By Dave Gonigam

02/11/09 Baltimore, Maryland When Bob Woodward slaps together his next instant-history book about the Panic of ‘08 (c’mon, you just know he’s going to), I imagine the book will open with the events of September 18-19, 2008.

Just using public sources, it’s now easy to glean that on those two days, a run on money-market funds brought the financial system to the edge of collapse, and Hank Paulson was threatening members of Congress with martial law if they didn’t pass a bailout.

The collapse revelation came a few days ago from Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-Pennsylvania) when he was interviewed on C-Span.

On Thursday [the 18th], at about 11 o’clock in the morning, the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous drawdown of money market accounts in the United States to a tune of $550 billion being drawn out in a matter of an hour or two.

The Treasury opened up its window to help. They pumped $105 billion into the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide. We were having an electronic run on the banks.

They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts, and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic and there. And that’s what actually happened.

If they had not done that their estimation was that by two o’clock that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the United States, would have collapsed the entire economy of the United States, and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed.

Now we talked at that time about what would have happened if that happened. It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.

Couple this with the remarks of Rep. Brad Sherman (D-California) on the House floor just days after the first bailout bill went down in flames.  “Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill… that the sky would fall, the market would drop 2000-3000 points the first day, another couple thousand the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no.”

Careless bloggers have jumped to the conclusion this threat was delivered the same day there was a run on the money-market funds.  But by the recollection of Sen. James Inhofe — who confirmed to a Tulsa radio station it was Hank Paulson himself who delivered that threat — the discussion took place on Friday the 19th.

It’s possible Paulson resorted to such dire language because the Dow popped 400-plus points in the final hours of trading the day before on rumors that Treasury and the Fed were hatching one of their many rescue plans — a rally that continued into the first hours of trading Friday.  Ordinary scare language wouldn’t do under those circumstances.  Or it’s possible Inhofe’s memory is fuzzy and the threat came the same day that everything nearly melted down.

Well, I’m sure Bob Woodward can make a few phone calls and clear up any discrepancies on the time frame.  In the meantime, I’m more concerned about the potential for another Black Swan to show up before the month is out.

September 18, 2008: Edge of Collapse

By Dave Gonigam

02/11/09 Baltimore, Maryland When Bob Woodward slaps together his next instant-history book about the Panic of ‘08 (c’mon, you just know he’s going to), I imagine the book will open with the events of September 18-19, 2008.

Just using public sources, it’s now easy to glean that on those two days, a run on money-market funds brought the financial system to the edge of collapse, and Hank Paulson was threatening members of Congress with martial law if they didn’t pass a bailout.

The collapse revelation came a few days ago from Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-Pennsylvania) when he was interviewed on C-Span.

On Thursday [the 18th], at about 11 o’clock in the morning, the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous drawdown of money market accounts in the United States to a tune of $550 billion being drawn out in a matter of an hour or two.

The Treasury opened up its window to help. They pumped $105 billion into the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide. We were having an electronic run on the banks.

They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts, and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic and there. And that’s what actually happened.

If they had not done that their estimation was that by two o’clock that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the United States, would have collapsed the entire economy of the United States, and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed.

Now we talked at that time about what would have happened if that happened. It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.

Couple this with the remarks of Rep. Brad Sherman (D-California) on the House floor just days after the first bailout bill went down in flames.  “Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill… that the sky would fall, the market would drop 2000-3000 points the first day, another couple thousand the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no.”

Careless bloggers have jumped to the conclusion this threat was delivered the same day there was a run on the money-market funds.  But by the recollection of Sen. James Inhofe — who confirmed to a Tulsa radio station it was Hank Paulson himself who delivered that threat — the discussion took place on Friday the 19th.

It’s possible Paulson resorted to such dire language because the Dow popped 400-plus points in the final hours of trading the day before on rumors that Treasury and the Fed were hatching one of their many rescue plans — a rally that continued into the first hours of trading Friday.  Ordinary scare language wouldn’t do under those circumstances.  Or it’s possible Inhofe’s memory is fuzzy and the threat came the same day that everything nearly melted down.

Well, I’m sure Bob Woodward can make a few phone calls and clear up any discrepancies on the time frame.  In the meantime, I’m more concerned about the potential for another Black Swan to show up before the month is out.

My father had gun racks and he always kept one rifle loaded in case someone tried to break into the house.  All three of us kids knew it and we also knew not to touch it.  My dad taught us how to shoot, the safe way to use guns, and what NOT to do with a gun.  I think the problem with a lot of gun related accidents is that parents hide the guns and don't teach their kids the dangers and how to properly handle guns. 

If you take guns away from the law-abiding citizens....it won't stop the criminals from getting them and then we will have nothing to protect ourselves with.  That is common sense really.  It will just create an even bigger black market for guns and only the unlawful citizens will buy them illegally like that which will leave the lawful citizens unprotected from criminals. 

Heard dribs and drabs about this about a month ago. He wants to tax the employers who provide health care to the employees. Does that sound like he wants all of us to abide by HIS healthcare plan?

More on this later.

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    Friday 14 October 2005

    When the possibility of far-reaching war crimes and crimes against humanity exists, people of conscience have a solemn responsibility to inquire into the nature and scope of these acts and to determine if they do in fact rise to the level of war crimes and crimes against humanity. That is the mission of the International Commission of Inquiry on Crimes Against Humanity. The first session will be held October 21-22 in New York City. This tribunal will, with care and rigor, present evidence and assess whether George W. Bush and his administration have committed crimes against humanity. Well-established international law will be referenced where applicable, but the tribunal will not be limited by the scope of existing international law.

    The tribunal will deliberate on four categories of indictable crimes: 1) Wars of Aggression, with particular reference to the invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. 2) Torture and Indefinite Detention, with particular reference to the abandonment of international standards concerning the treatment of prisoners of war and the use of torture. 3) Destruction of the Global Environment, with particular reference to systematic policies contributing to the catastrophic effects of global warming. 4) Attacks on Global Public Health and Reproductive Rights, with particular reference to the genocidal effects of forcing international agencies to promote abstinence only in the midst of a global AIDS epidemic.

    The Commission's jury of conscience will be composed of internationally respected jurists and legal scholars, prominent voices of conscience, and experts and monitors in relevant fields. The tribunal's legitimacy is derived from its integrity, its rigor in the presentation of evidence, and the stature of its participants. Representatives of the Bush administration will be invited to present a defense.

    Prior to the meeting of the Commission, teams with sufficient expertise will prepare preliminary indictments in each of the four areas, setting forth the scope of the Bush administration's actions and how they contravene legal and moral norms for international behavior. At the meeting of the Commission, there will be four prosecution teams that organize the presentation of the evidence. This evidence will be documents as well as eyewitness testimony by victims and observers of the crimes alleged. The formal proceedings will be held in a public venue and all attempts will be made to publicize and broadcast its deliberations internationally. The Commission's jury of conscience will come to verdicts and its findings will be published.

    The holding of this tribunal will frame and fuel a discussion that is urgently needed in the United States: Is the administration of George W. Bush guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity? The Commission will conduct its work with a deep sense of responsibility to the people of the world.

    The Commission is sponsored by the Not In Our Name statement of conscience, joined by the following individuals and organizations:

• James Abourezk, former United States Senator
  
  
  
• As'ad AbuKhalil, professor of politics & public administration, California State University-Stanislaus
  
  
  
• Dirk Adriaensens, Brussells Tribunal executive committee and coordinator SOS Iraq
  
  
  
• Dr. Nadje al-Ali, social anthropologist at the University of Exeter, founding member of Act Together: Women's Action on Iraq  and member Women in Black UK
  
  
  
• Anthony Alessandrini, organizer with the World Tribunal on Iraq and New York University Students for Justice in Palestine
  
  
  
• Edward Asner
  
  
  
• Russell Banks, novelist
  
  
  
• The Rev. Luis Barrios, Ph.D., associate professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice & Anglican Priest
  
  
  
• Amy Bartholomew, professor of law at Carleton University
  
  
  
• Greg Bates, Common Courage Press
  
  
  
• Phyllis Bennis, Institute for Policy Studies
  
  
  
• Michael S. Berg, grieving father of Nick Berg killed in Iraq May 7, 2004, and one man for Peace
  
  
  
• Ayse Berktay, from the organizing team of the World Tribunal on Iraq
  
  
  
• William Blum, author of Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II and Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower
  
  
  
• Francis Boyle, author of Destroying World Order and professor at the University of Illinois College of Law
  
  
  
• Jean Bricmont, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
  
  
  
• Marjorie Cohn, professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and executive vice president of National Lawyers Guild
  
  
  
• Lieven De Cauter, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
  
  
  
• Patrick Deboosere, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
  
  
  
• Michael Eric Dyson
  
  
  
• Peter Erlinder, William Mitchell College of Law and lead defense counsel, United Nations Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, Arusha, Tanzania
  
  
  
• Larry Everest, author of Oil, Power & Empire: Iraq and the U.S. Global Agenda and Behind the Poison Cloud: Union Carbide's Bhopal Massacre
  
  
  
• Richard Falk, professor emeritus of International Law, Princeton, and Visiting Professor in Global and International Studies, UC-Santa Barbara
  
  
  
• Thomas M. Fasy, MD, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York City
  
  
  
• Lawrence Ferlinghetti, member, American Academy of Arts & Letters and founder & editor in chief, City Lights Books, San Francisco
  
  
  
• Ted Glick, former coordinator, Independent Progressive Politics Network
  
  
  
• Dr. Elaine C. Hagopian, former president of Association of Arab-American University Graduates (AAUG) and primary founder of the Trans-Arab Research Institute (TARI)
  
  
  
• Sam Hamill, director, Poets Against War
  
  
  
• International Movement for a Just World (JUST), Malaysia
  
  
  
• Abdeen Jabara, past president, American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee
  
  
  
• Dahr Jamail, U.S. independent journalist who has reported extensively from Iraq since the invasion
  
  
  
• C. Clark Kissinger, contributing writer for Revolution and initiator of the Not In Our Name statement of conscience
  
  
  
• The Reverend Doctor Earl Kooperkamp, Rector, St. Mary's Episcopal Church, West Harlem, New York City
  
  
  
• Joel Kovel, editor-in-chief, Capitalism Nature Socialism: A Quarterly Journal of Socialist Ecology, and author of The Enemy of Nature
  
  
  
• Jesse Lemisch, professor of history emeritus, John Jay College of Criminal Justice
  
  
  
• Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun magazine and author of The Left Hand of God: Taking Back America from the Religious Right
  
  
  
• New Jersey Civil Rights Defense Committee
  
  
  
• New Jersey Workers Democracy Network
  
  
  
• National Lawyers Guild
  
  
  
• National Lawyers Guild, San Francisco Bay Area Chapter
  
  
  
• Rev. Davidson Loehr, Ph.D., First Unitarian Universalist Church of Austin, Texas
  
  
  
• Robert Meeropol, Executive Director, Rosenberg Fund for Children
  
  
  
• Barbara Olshansky, deputy legal director of the Center for Constitutional Rights and author of Secret Trials and Executions
  
  
  
• James Petras, professor emeritus of sociology at Binghamton University, New York
  
  
  
• Jeremy Pikser, screenwriter
  
  
  
• Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights and author with Ellen Ray of Guantanamo: What the World Should Know
  
  
  
• Stephen F. Rohde, civil liberties lawyer and co-founder of Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace
  
  
  
• Marc Sapir MD, MPH, co-convener of the UC Berkeley Teach In on Torture and executive director of Retro Poll
  
  
  
• Sister Annette M. Sinagra, OP
  
  
  
• State of Nature on-line magazine
  
  
  
• Inge Van de Merlen, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
  
  
  
• Gore Vidal
  
  
  
• Anne Weills, civil rights attorney in Oakland, National Lawyers Guild
  
  
  
• Leonard Weinglass, criminal defense attorney
  
  
  
• Naomi Weisstein, professor emeritus of Neuroscience, State University of NY at Buffalo
  
  
  
• Howard Zinn, historian
  
  
  

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      The 2005 International Commission of Inquiry on War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration of the United States: Sessions take place Friday, October 21, 4-10pm, and Saturday, October 22, Noon-6pm, at the Grand Ballroom of the Manhattan Center, 311 W. 34th Street, New York City, NY.

This board will return to a dead state too

Posted By: huh? on 2006-03-10,
In Reply to: Oh, she revealed it on the Conservative Board - ??

The stupid rules have made these boards a place where only crickets chirp. Its sad that people are so childish and cannot discuss things like mature adults. This is why these boards will remain a snoozeville, because some people are not capable of mature conversation and get insulted by anyone who does not believe exactly like they do, but if you like it dead here...by all means enjoy the silence.

I watched a TV broadcast; it evoked thoughts in my mind. The thoughts irritated me. I FELT uneasy and I THOUGHT I could print the same on this board and why. This is, after all, still America despite the speech police and this is, after all still the liberal board.

I'm sorry you feel the need to throw the little personal zingers in.