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My, we sure are painting all conservatives with a broad brush...

Posted By: Not fair at all.... See msg on 2005-07-02
In Reply to: Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not sure if Bill Clinton signed this into law, but it surely came to be - Democrat

I have criticized Bush on numerous thing, including this pandering to the Mexicans in regard to our border control.  Please don't assume every conservative is just a lock step mindless zombie.  Lots of people say that about liberals, but I disagree with that too.  There are a million shades of gray, across both sides of the political aisle. 


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    You know how you hate it when conservatives paint libs with the same brush? sm
    We don't like it either.
    It's not the Republican PARTY painting him as a Muslim.
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    broad statement

    And have you taken a poll of every democrat in the country as to whether they love or hate Phil?  These broad statements are not helping your credibility. 


    Not a broad statement at all.
    And since you make broad statements all the time, that's a little disingenuous, don't you think?  I asked a question.  You didn't answer it.  How many politicians have you seen embrace Phil?  As far as credibilty, let's be perfectly frank.  I don't care if you find me credible and I am sure the same can be said for your feelings about me.  We are worlds apart in our thinking.  Thank God.
    broad statement
    I make broad statements all the time?  When, where?  LOL.  That in itself is a broad statement from you.  I make statements with facts to back them up, I post articles.  As far as how many politicals back Phil, who knows, who cares.  Is he running for office?  I must have missed it if he is.  He is a tax paying, charity giving, hard working adult who has opinions and ideas and beliefs on how our country should go and I applaud him for speaking out, with his own independent ideas.  As far as your and mine ideas?  Sure they are different.  I dont thank god for that..Frankly, I dont think god has anything to do with that.  We are free thinking human beings (at least I am..are you?) and it is great that you have your ideas and I have mine.  That is what this country was built on..differing opinions.  Heaven help us all if this country ever becomes one thought and one opinion..that is called a dictatorship.  I dont know about you but I could never live under that situation..So, long live your opinion and long live mine and never the two shall meet.
    broad statements such as this

    reveal much, much more about the thinker than the group he is maligning.  Ask any psych professional.  Ask Niles Crane. Dr. Phil.  Dr. Ablow.  Dr. Freud.


     


     


    Another broad sweeping generalization
    Another broad sweeping generalization..I guess you know ALL liberals?  Know our values, what we would do under socialism..yada..yada..yada??  Keep these crazy posts coming, Im having a ball reading them..rolling on the floor laughing....what is that..*BAAAAA..BAAAA*..Oh, darn, I think I hear the republican sheep herder calling you...
    Being married to a Moslem, I find that broad-stroke stereotype
    Jihadists are minority political factions that are hated every bit as much by more moderate Moslems as they are by Westerners. The nations where theocracy is the rule do not exactly give them a legitimate avenue for opposition or overthrow as we have here in the US. It is not a whole lot different than fanatical politicized Christian movements that make other Christians cringe every time they spout their racist, bigoted, exclusionary world views. I will not go down the road with you over infidel/sinner/people of the Book and the like. Suffice to say that racism and bigotry is a divisive, destructive and, at times, fatal force that undermines the productivity and cultural integrity in nations of ALL ideologies that harbor it within their borders. US is no exception to this.
    You are the one woh needs a brush up.
    When the electoral college "overturns" the popular vote, it happens because the delcared victor has won the states with the most electoral votes....the way Obama has done with a WAY more than ample margin of 192 PROJECTED electoral votes. There were 3 times this happened, not 4 as you claim(did you read your own article?). The 4th time was when the electoral votes were tied and the House of Represenatives decided the election (1824). In the other 3 instances, the widest margin of difference between the popular votes was 3.1% (in the 1876 election)...less than half the 6.8% margin Obama holds over McCain. The popular vote margin of difference in 1888 was only 0.8% and in 2000, even less at 0.5% (with considerable help from a little fraud and voter suppression here and there).

    So the answer to the other poster's question would be NO, in history the election has never been overturned by the electoral college with this wide of a margin....NOT EVEN CLOSE. That would make her premise valid....you'd be grasping at straws. Suck it up. Obama is our next president.
    YOU, whoever your are, should brush up on your history!..nm
    nm
    Better brush up on your French, Sirpercy.

    Tit-for-tat. Tsk, Tsk. Time to brush the teeth.
    su
    You need to brush up on your civics/history.......... sm
    And for the record about 5% is not a large margin.

    The electoral college has overturned the popular vote 4 times in history and some of the "politicking" that went on in those days rivals what we have today.

    http://www.america.gov/st/elections08-english/2008/September/20080905143744ebyessedo0.8026239.html
    Don't paint all Dems with the same brush. There are extremistis...sm
    in every party, repubs and dems alike. This is a sick joke, not worthy of anyone with any intelligence.
    He should have been clearin' brush in Crawford, doggone it!
    You betcha!
    I wonder if he'll be allowed to take the famous brush!!

    With respect to "the brush," didn't...
    ...he say recently (I'm paraphrasing here) that he'll still have the brush, but since he's no longer governor, the brush will be smaller.  LOL!
    Oops, meant "not clueless." Perhaps I'm not clueless but need to brush up on
    nm
    No conservatives either
    The last time I looked at cons board there were no conservatives there either, just extreme right-wing nuts.
    I mean conservatives. sm
    True conservatives.  The ones who don't believe in abortion, believe our money should be ours to spend,  are fiscally conservative, and believe in smaller government.  The true conservative Reagan Republican. I seriously doubt any of them were there.  And yes, libertarians are conservative as well, for the most part.  I don't know if they were there are not.  The conservative pundits I follow who are libertarian were definitely not there. 
    If the conservatives think SP is sm
    so great, why does the conservative talk radio in my city basically treat her as a sex object, wanting to see her naked or in suggestive clothing, etc.?  I even think they put a suggestive picture of her on their web site.  I think its so disrespectful and I'm not even going to vote for her!  Talk about sexist.  Does this go on in other cities?  I can understand ratings and revenue but we talking about possibly the second most powerful person in the country and they can't even be respectful! A man isn't treated this way. Maybe conservatives are the ones afraid of a strong woman.
    I just love it when Conservatives are

    WOW the Conservatives are hateful here.
    I was looking on the conservative board and there is so much aggression and anger there.  What is up with that? WHY?
    They don't call them CONservatives for nothing!

    Con means to deceive or mislead.  That's how they communicate, from Bush right on down to his peon worshippers.  They deceive, lie, mislead, twist, manipulate.  They do everything except speak the truth.  This is a perfect example.  You asked them above to see the post.  You didn't get a response, did you?


    Now they'll just continue to troll this board with more outrageous fictional tales conceived in their tiny little minds, all for the purpose of demeaning and attacking liberals.


    It's really sad, irritating and definitely bothersome, but they are their own worst enemy because they are getting more and more out of control every day.  In a way, I guess I will really be worried if it stops.  If I no longer see those angry hateful posts here, I will fear that they finally snapped in real life and either hurt someone else or got hurt themselves.


    conservatives and stinks
    Conservative and stinks..nah, at least not what the poster below stated..Dont ya know, Libby, per conservative post below, it is us liberals/democrats/anti war people who dont bathe and have a stench about us?  Yeah, right.
    The conservatives want to have their cake and eat it too...sm
    It's OK for a church to be prowar and not lose their exempt status, but not against it. Hypocrisy is reeking.

    Stuff like this is the reason there is a separation between church and state to begin with. Give it an inch and we all lose.
    Maybe the FBI is preventing conservatives from seeing it.
    LoL. 
    I doubt a lot of conservatives were there. sm
    True conservatives would not have been caught dead there.  Maybe some RINOS.
    I hear, and I think most of the conservatives on these
    boards...here what you are saying. We just do not agree with you, so we counter the points. That is what debate is. It is working just like it is supposed to. Do you consider debate to be working only if the other side capitulates and you *win?*
    Why is it such a challenge for conservatives to
    and take personal responsibility for their actions and their consequences? This has nothing to do with libs. It has everything to do with the connections between racial, bigoted hate speech, violence, crime and cold-blooded murder.
    Yes. Do tell how conservatives would lead us
    out of the darkness and into the light.
    The conservatives should put down their martinis
    and start smoking weed. Whole lot better'n being a mean drunk, and they might even start thinking clearly enough again to figure out what 'fiscal responsibility' really is.
    Here are some celebrity conservatives.

    Kelsey Grammer


    Gary Sinise


    Stephen Baldwin


    Patricia Heaton


    Dennis Hopper


    Craig T. Nelson


    Ben Stein


    Tom Sellek


    Kurt Russell


    Ted Nugent


    Elizabeth Hasselbeck


    Angie Harmon


    John Ratzenberger


    Are they blaming conservatives
    and pro-life people for one person who lied?  It seems to me like these pro-life people were trying to be supportive and be there for someone that they really thought needed them.  How where they supposed to know that they were being lied to?  Instead of blaming conservatives as a whole on this one, why aren't they placing the blame on the ignorant woman who was addicted to blogging and made all of this up?  I just don't get the logic some of you people have.  One person lied and so all these pro-lifers came to her aid thinking she needed it and somehow it isn't the liars fault.....it is the pro-lifers.  Yeah...makes perfect sense.....sheesh
    because conservatives stick to the old,
    boring stuff and it is the independents and liberals that breathe fresh air into life.
    And Google also has 896,000 entries on conservatives and
    Excuse me while I take leave to invent some "facts" based on that.
    You have demonstrated why conservatives cannot post here. sm
    Are you schizophrenic.  Your posts are some of the some inflammatory, hate-filled screed it has ever been my displeasure to read.  Wishing people to burn in hell?  Calling children of the president ugly and alcoholics?  THAT is debate.  You don't fool me.  I didn't say she COULDN'T come here. I said ther poster demonstrated why she would not want to.  Get a little insight into your bizarre behavior.
    And that is largely due to the fact that the conservatives SM

    have afforded them the courtesy of not posting here, as has been said before.


    That's why there are 2 boards for the conservatives who like the "yes man"
    debates. I suggest to the people who don't like liberal ways go there. They will be able to high five and keep hope alive with the Bush yeppers and congregation.
    Conservatives don't care about the poor...






    NOT!


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    America and the poor, that is the subject of this evening's “Talking Points Memo.”


    The aftermath of Katrina has produced a debate over poor Americans. There are about 37 million people living below the poverty line right now. The issue was described this way by Newsweek (search) reporter Evan Thomas (search), a liberal guy but not alone, who writes, Liberals will say [the authorities] were indifferent to the plight of poor African-Americans. It is true that Katrina laid bare society's massive neglect of its least fortunate.


    Massive neglect? Let's take a look at that bit of overstatement. Halfway through President Clinton's tenure in office in 1996, the poverty rate was 13.7 percent. Halfway through President Bush's tenure, the rate is 12.7 percent, a full point lower.


    In 1996, the Clinton budget allotted $191 billion for poverty entitlements. That was 12.2 percent of the budget and a whopping amount of money. That's why Bill Clinton (search) was called the first black president by some.


    However, the Bush 2006 budget allots a record shattering $368 billion for poverty entitlements, 14.6 percent of the entire budget, a huge increase over Clinton's spending on poverty entitlements.








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    It's more like that the conservatives know history and are better informed.
    I am amazed that you people are not challenged more.  I don't care about the political aspect but this is just ridiculous. Capitalism is superior to socialism in every way.  Socialist societies have never prospered.  Never.  Socialism remains a failed experiment.  Capitalism was implemented in West Germany and West Berlin following World War II. West Germany and West Berlin prospered and living standards became much better. Socialism was implemented in East Germany and East Berlin following World War II. East Germany and East Berlin stagnated and living standards deteriorated. The split turned German into an experiment that could be observed, studied, and used to show the differences of how capitalism and socialism affect a country. This is a matter of fact.  Anyone who opts for socialism is a fool. 
    Here are some the conservatives forgot to add to his list...sm
    The Shoelace Scandal - Clinton tied his shoe laces to loose and Monica had to tie them for him. Whoaaa!

    The Walking the Dog Scandal -
    Clinton was walking his dog and it exposed it's pee pee to a conservative's poodle. Whoaeee!

    The Toothbrush Scandal -
    Monica brushed her teeth with Clinton's toothbrush. Whoaaa!

    Did I leave anything off!

    Had to joke for a minute!

    While some of the scandals during his presidency were very legitimate, more than a few of them were off the chain crazy during Clinton's time in office. Bush has had it very easy in this department, if you ask me. I think republicans are just better at digging up scandals.
    Starcat, they are not true conservatives.sm
    We do not support Bush. I wish everyone would just take the time to do some research on these political candidates, not only would you not vote for them, they would scare the hell out of you. I can tell by some posts on here that some have. We need to be united to get our country back, not fighting.
    Your statement was *they* are not true conservatives.
    I was merely asking who *they* are. 
    Yep those mean conservatives are over there helping Israel

    Yep, they'll be back when all the Lebanese are dead, because all us conservatives are evil like that.    



    Don't think you can blame it all at the feet of conservatives....
    runaway social programs are certainly not the fault of conservatives...raiding of social security was not done by conservatives...Democrats did that. You can't blame the moral relativism of today on conservatives either. Pre-emptive war was also something started by Democrats (Viet Nam). Democrats kept blacks from having the vote until the 1960's. So please...let's not try to blame EVERYTHING on conservatives...because that is a crock. No one group of people got us where we are today. It was definitely a combined effort.
    Who gives more to charity? Liberals or conservatives? sm

    Charity's political divide

    Conservative give roughly 30% more to charity on average.

    http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm


    Who gives and who doesn't

    http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1


    Who gives to charity:

    http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel/2006/12/06/who_gives_to_charity



    Conservative philanthropists are more generous, experts say...

    http://www.beliefnet.com/story/204/story_20419_1.html


    Conservatives give more to charity:

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080327/news_lz1e27will.html




    It seems to me that this study shows that conservatives (sm)
    are MORE concerned about others than democrats. They see a picture of SOMEONE ELSE who is hurt or dead and they react more than the democrats. I used to think of myself as being fairly liberal, but if that means being associated with the type of people many of the democrats who post on here appear to be, then no thanks, I'll call myself conservative. Actually I always vote for the candidate I agree with most, regardless of party.
    History of liberals and conservatives

    I posted this on the comedy board too - its half political/half comedy.



    Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.




    The two most important events in all of history were:


    1. The invention of beer, and

    2. The invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer, and the beer to the man.


    These facts formed the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

    1. Liberals & 2. Conservatives.


    Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.


    Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to barbeque at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.


    Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

    Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girlie-men.


    Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy and group hugs, the evolution of the Hollywood actor, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide all the meat and beer that conservatives provided.


     Over the years, Conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jack@ss.


    Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of liberal women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most are social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood, and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.


    Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.


    Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.


    Here ends today's lesson in world history.......

    It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it.


    A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers, and to more liberals...just to yank their chain.


    Have a great day!


    and here I thought conservatives had the market on
    x
    Conservatives better pray that regulation will be ENOUGH.
    swift and smart, it probably won't be enough.