Well, if that is the case, then I guess not passing the bill...
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-29
In Reply to: Usually, the majority is right!!!! - pc
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I think Sarah Palin is very, very pretty and dumb as a gourd. Clinton is not attractive and I don’t really care for her but think she is not absent in the education department. Lady, how in the world do you come across when you discuss someone who cannot tell a book she has read, magazine, etc. You are kidding with your post, right? As far as the food stamps, I have known several peoplo on these for years and years (before the present guy) who have known how to play the game of getting them and so glad several years ago when they started that you have to go to work and earn a living. The food stamps/work issues long before Obama. The Sarah Palin is a dead issue really. I think most who heard her open her mouth got an idea of what kind of brains she possessed. No wonder they tried to hide her for so long. Easy on the eyes but dumb, dumb, dumb..
It probably has no chance of passing sm
and was just a symbolic parting shot, but some of us are grateful anyway. Rallies from coast to coast today are honoring and thanking Cynthia. Wonder what makes you think her party has disowned her.
My favorite clip of Cynthia vs Rumsfeld below:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU
We could require passing an IQ and
It should apply to those wanting to have kids first, too!
BAHAHA ... I am KIDDING - please no flames. Just kidding!
Possible Dems reason for not passing
But the dems didn't get their sneaky little earmark of 20% of any profits to go to the ACORN society which was in the plan drafted last week...could be part of the reason they did not vote for the final one. What hypocrites the democrats are.
Schumer is speaking (almost done now) about passing
this stimulus. He says, "Don't give us the back of your hand because we have made efforts. It is not perfect, but it's sure a lot better than sitting here, arguing and doing nothing. It requires concerted and smart action that President Obama wants."
He makes me sick. He stands to get 8.65B, or 28 times more money for his state than Kansas. Kansas will only get $450M.
Sen. Hatch said "...the first bill, the SChip, had no input from the pubs. The stimulus was put together by the dems and had no input from the pubs until the other day. When (Schumer) starts talking about tax cuts, let's not give it to those who don't pay income taxes.
Let's not put this stuff in a stimuls bill that is supposed to work NOW, not 3 years from now. Congress has exceeded the budget every year for 28 years except for Clinton. The government spending is moving towards 40% GDP."
They are supposed to vote at 5:30 today, but I don't think they will be able to.
Senator Hatch said "this is a partisan plan and the more you rely on the government , the expansion of government is going to be enourmous and that's called socialism. We are for a stimulus that would help homeowners, cut small business tax rates, move further and further towards creating jobs, and this bill doesn't do it. We have to stand up on something, and this is it."
Sorry, oldtimer, sounds like passing the buck to me...
you would think you would want to clean your party up. But I guess not. Whatever, your choice. I do not turn a deaf ear to what any Democrats say on this board...I just refute what is not truthful. And they pound me pretty good as well. And as to tuning me out...do whatever makes you comfortable. It is a free country, after all.
We can't be quick enough. You've seen how they're passing enormous bills -
- that they don't even read within a matter of hours. First the stimulus, then the tax bill on executive bonuses, etc.
Meanwhile, it's taken them over six months to investigate some very straightforward charges against Charlie Rangel.
CORRUPT!
When Bill Clinton was in office, OHHH you better believe Bill and Carter have had..sm
their day of mudslinging matches, at the pleasure of a many conservatives. So, no there's not a double standard here.
Bill Maher Takes On Bill O'Reilly
BILL O'REILLY, HOST: In the "Personal Story" segment tonight, political humorist Bill Maher (search), he has a new book out called "New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer." Of course, Mr. Maher is about as polite as I am and as timid as Dracula. He joins us now from Los Angeles.
You know, you've had some celebrities on your HBO show, "Real Time," which begins again on Friday, talking about policy and war on terror and stuff like that. I get the feeling they don't know very much, but you do. So I'd like to make Bill Maher, right now, the terror czar. Bill Maher, the terror czar. Could be a series.
How would you fight this War on Terror? How would you fight it?
BILL MAHER, HOST, HBO'S "REAL TIME": I think the first and most important thing is to get the politics out of the War on Terror. You know, maybe I'm a cockeyed optimist, Bill, maybe I'm naive, but I thought that 9/11 was such a jarring event that nobody would dare return to business as usual on that one subject after that.
But of course, we found out that nothing could be further from the truth. And your president, my president too, but the one you voted for...
O'REILLY: You don't know that. Were you looking over my shoulder there? I could have voted for Nader. I could have voted for Kerry, but Kerry wouldn't come on the program, so I wouldn't vote. But I could have gone for Ralph. Ralph's a friend of mine.
MAHER: Yes. Anyway, I said the guy you voted for, President Bush, you know, how come this guy, who was supposed to be such a kick-and-take- names kind of guy, how come he has not been able to get the politics out of this?
You know, as a guy who's been accused of treason, I'll tell you what real treason is: Treason is when legislators vote against homeland security measures because it goes against the wishes of their political or financial backers. Treason is the fact that, as a terrorist, you could still buy a gun in this country because the NRA (search) lobby is so strong.
O'REILLY: OK. But you're getting into the political, and I agree with you. I think that the country should be united in trying to seek out and kill terrorists, who would kill us.
But I'd like to have some concrete things that you, Bill Maher, the terror czar — and take this seriously, this could be a series — what would you do?
All right, so you've got bin Laden. You've got Al Qaeda (search). You've got a bunch of other lower-level terrorist groups. What do you do to neutralize them?
MAHER: OK. Well, first of all, you discounted my answer, which is get the politics out, but OK.
O'REILLY: Well, assume you can do that. They're gone.
MAHER: We'll let that go. Keep going. I wouldn't worry that much about bin Laden. I mean, capturing bin Laden at this point, it doesn't really matter whether he's dead or alive. He's already Tupac to the people who care about him and work for him. Capturing bin Laden, killing him would be like when Ray Kroc died, how much that affected McDonald's.
O'REILLY: It would be a morale booster. But I understand. You're not going to send...
MAHER: A morale booster, right. Well, we've had plenty of morale boosting. We've had plenty of window dressing. What we need is concrete action.
In the book I wrote before this one about terrorism, I suggested that we have a Secret Service for the people. I said whenever the president goes anywhere, he has very high-level, intelligent detectives who look around at a crowd. They know what they're looking for. They're highly paid. They're highly trained.
We don't have that in this country. We should have that. We should have a cadre of 10,000 highly trained people who would guard all public events, bus stations, train stations, airports — and stop with this nonsense that this robotic sort of window dressing...
O'REILLY: OK, so you would create a homeland security office that was basically a security firm for major targets and things like that. It's not a bad idea. Costs a lot of money. Costs a lot of money. It's not a bad idea.
MAHER: Costs a lot of money compared to what? If you paid 10,000 people a salary of $100,000 a year, that would, I think, cost $10 billion or something. That's nothing. There's that much pork in the transportation bill before you get...
O'REILLY: Yes, 10,000 wouldn't do it, but I get your drift.
MAHER: Whatever it costs.
O’REILLY: You would create a super-security apparatus. OK, that's not bad. That's not bad. How about overseas now?
MAHER: What we need to do is what I call get Israeli about this. Because the Israelis are not afraid of profiling. The Israelis are not afraid to bury politics in the greater cause of protecting their nation. We don't act that way. You know, I'm afraid 9/11 really changed nothing.
O'REILLY: Boy, your ACLU (search) pals aren't going to like that. You're going to lose your membership card there.
MAHER: I'm not a member of the ACLU.
O'REILLY: Oh, sure you are, just like I voted for Bush. You're a member of the ACLU. I can see the card right in your pocket there.
MAHER: Bill, I'm not a joiner. I'm not a joiner. I don't like organizations.
O'REILLY: They won't have you, Maher, let's be honest about that. All right, now, in your book, which is very amusing, by the way — if you want a few laughs buy Maher's book.
MAHER: Thank you.
O'REILLY: You take some shots at FOX News, which is your wont, and I just want to know why you think we're so fabulously successful here.
MAHER: Well, I think that question has been answered many times. It's because the conservative viewer in this country, or on radio the conservative listener, is very predictable. They like to hear what they like to hear. They like to hear it over and over again.
O'REILLY: All the surveys show that the viewers are all over the map. They're not conservative in a big bloc. Some of them are moderate. Some of them are Democrats. Some of them are Moroccans. I mean, they're everywhere. That's your analysis? That just the conservatives watch us?
MAHER: Well, I think mostly the conservatives do watch you. That's not to take anything away from what you guys have achieved over there. It's a very well-produced broadcast, and they have excellent personalities like yourself, Bill. Who could resist watching you when you get home from work at night?
O'REILLY: Whoopi Goldberg, maybe? I don't know.
MAHER: Yes.
O'REILLY: Anyone who doesn't watch here is misguided. We identify them as such.
But look, I think there's more to it than — you're in TV. You know the ratings game. I mean, if you don't provide a product that is satisfying people, no matter what your ideology, they tell you to take a hike.
There's a guy over at MSNBC. He's a very conservative guy. He was hired and nobody's watching him. They hire liberals. Nobody watches them. Air America (search). Nobody's listening to it.
I mean, there's got to be a reason why we're No. 1, a punch line for you, and No. 2, you know, becoming the most powerful news network in the world.
MAHER: Well, I think, as I say, it's a well-produced product. You know, your program moves along, always at a clip that never seems to bore. You know, you move along to the next topic, the next guest. It never sort of drags. I don't think a lot of people know how to produce that stuff that way.
O'REILLY: All right. It's bells and whistles and my charming personality. That's what I thought it was.
Last thing: You know, one thing I like about Maher is he's not a hypocrite. He drives a little hybrid vehicle. Right? You putter around there. Does it have training wheels? What's it like?
MAHER: Actually, I had the Prius hybrid for three years. I was one of the first ones to get it right after 9/11. And I traded it in a few months ago for the Lexus hybrid.
O'REILLY: I think we should all cut back on our energy consumption, and I think we should all get these hybrids as fast as we can.
Hey, Bill, always nice to see you. Thanks very much. Good luck with the season on the TV show.
MAHER: Continued success there, Mr. No. 1.
O'REILLY: All right. Thank you.
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Bill Clinton and his ties to India (yes, Bill),...
and China (yes, Bill) sent a lot of our jobs their way. Google it some time. Even I was amazed.
Look, it is simple economics. The big bad corporations everyone hates...first of all, it is not 5 or 6 rich guys and that's it. They employee thousands of people just like us...and when the government puts those huge taxes on them, if they want to stay in business, they are forced to move offshore. Higher taxes are responsible for more jobs going overseas than "greed." The DNC has told its members for years that "corporations" and "the rich" are the cause of all their problems and they have bought that Marxist rhetoric hook, line, and sinker. Corporations are not the cause of ill in this country. They are the backbone of the economy in this country. That is simple economics 101. And I am certainly not rich...and I certainly am not on the upper echelon of a corporation, but I do understand reality and I understand how the economy works. Yes, there is wrongdoing by some upper level folks in corporations. There is wrongdoing in the government. Where there is power, there will be wrongdoing. But for every Enron there are thousands of other good, solid companies that employ thousands of Americans, but the DNC does not share the success stories, because it does not promote their agenda. In order to control people they want them beholden to government and hating free enterprise. They want big government, total power, and control. And following Alinksy's program...you have to instill class warfare. You have to make corporations the enemy. You have to make classes envy the next rung up. Classic Marxist socialism. It is being played out in this country every day.
It is just that some of us have not bought the myth and jumped on the socialism train.
Did you read the bill? It was a regulatory reform bill...
asking them to regulate, not de-regulate. But Democrats blocked it...no wonder. Fannie was greasing a lot of Democratic palms...and Frederick Raines, the Dem CEO at the time...was in the Clinton administration. They were taking care of their own...and we are paying for it.
if abe is on the $5 bill & george is on the $1 bill, what is Obama on?
****censored****
Good don't guess. It's my guess though.nm
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get off my case
Did it irk you that I asked AG to post here? Did it get you so upset that you had to repost a previous post? For pete sake, what is your problem? You are filled with hate, absolute hate and anger. You need to chill. When you disagree with someone, you continue on and on and on and on, never letting up with the other person. GET OFF MY CASE. If my posts enrage you as so obviously they do, DO NOT READ THEM. You are so whacked out that you state I would chain myself to the WH with explosives. When I read that, I just about coughed up the soda I was drinking I could not believe any sane person would post something like that. As much as I know you are an angry person, no doubt with rage in your heart, I would NEVER EVER think that of you or post something so evil like that about you. Now, Im saying good bye to you as its obvious through you posts over time you cannot post to me without attacking me, so skip my posts, delete them and MYOB when it comes to me and my opinions.
I second Kam's why. I also don't believe that that will be the case s/m
If you are looking at the primary turnouts, record numbers are turning out on the Democrat side, and on the Republican side fewer are turning out than did in 2004 and 2000, and if that trend continues it bodes well for whatever Democratic candidate ultimately gets the nomination. Also, should that candidate be Hillary Clinton, what candidate on the Republican side is, for lack of a better word, sweeping the voters off their feet, whether with agenda or personality? McCain? Huckabee? Romney?, which one?
Actually, the only two candidates that I think have the qualities of real zeal and enthusiasm are Barack Obama and Ron Paul. Ron Paul isn't going to get the nomination, Obama may or may not, and if not, if the Democrat turnouts remain high, and in general the country truly wanting a different direction, they are going to elect a Democrat this time, and if it is Clinton she will be elected, even if she has no more zeal or charisma than Huckabee, McCain or Romney.
That's what I think anyway.
Just in case.
You accused me earlier of being a racist and posting racist posts. I challenged you to find one post I did and you can't find one. You tried to use something I said after you accused me. I also read through all my posts and there are no racist remarks. When I referred to Michelle not talking like a black woman I was referring to your typical stereotyping us because we don't always talk or write the way you think all black people do. You stereotype and assumed I was white because why, I didn't talk like my friends? I'll say it again. Michelle Obama is one classy lady.
You know one thing I was taught growing up is if I'm ever wrong to at least have the decency to say I'm wrong and am sorry, but I guess not everyone is like that.
You are just wrong.
Of course he would do it in that case, anyone would (sm)
They shouldn't have to do elective abortions that are not for the health of the mother unless it is something they believe in. They should not be forced to do it. It is unethical to ask someone to do something they think is wrong. It would be unethical to ask a non-Christian to pray with a patient if they felt it was against their religion, even if the patient asked for it. In these cases, they should have someone else do it, who does not feel it is against their beliefs.
yes, but the pie man in this case...
was forced to sell pies on credit to people who could never pay for them by whom?.....NOT Bush.
In this case
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In this case.........
it is convenient to maintain the belief that life begins with conception and ends at birth...........
Oh, right. If that is the case, he should have been
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Hardly the case.
Bush escaped that microsope you mentioned in the mainstream media until the kick-off of the 2008 election primaries. There was next to NO scrutiny of his ineptitude prior to that. Talk about getting a free pass. Besides that, there is little to no substance in this witch hunt so far and it is certainly nothing to fear, especially with those lopsided numbers in the House and Senate that have essentialy put the pubs into exile. I'm just starting to kick back and get comfortable and am going to enjoy watching every single last second of it all.
If this were the case...(sm)
then your statment would be relevant. However, that is not the case. The pay of the white male is the pay that everyone else strives for. And why wouldn't a white male be able to sue if treated unfairly? I'm pretty sure there isn't a law that prevents that. Everyone else has had to go through that process for years and years.
Well, in that case....(sm)
the only thing that I can suggest is to buff up. This might help:
http://stronglifts.com/how-to-build-muscle-mass-guide/
In that case....(sm)
I think I've been "pubbed." LOL.
If that were the case...(sm)
then wouldn't the same be true for alcohol? Most people who drink don't make their own alcohol. As far as addiction goes, we'll just have to disagree on that one. There are studies on both sides, and they are a dime a dozen. However, I have tried it, and as Obama said -- yes I inhaled because that was the point. Did I form an addiction? No. As for new people trying it, well, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone between the ages of 12 and 65 who could honestly say they haven't already tried it.
My daughter is now 24 -- about the age when they start telling you about things they did as teenagers....LOL. I don't know if you have kids or what age they might be, but when they get to that age and if they can openly communicate with you, you might be surprised at what you will find out. No, I'm not saying that your kids would automatically fall into that category, but most do.
If that is the case, why does someone like FOX
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That is not the case
Social Security came into being and started paying out at the same time...there was no contributing to it for years before you got to receive payments. Each person's SS payments are funded by the other workers paying into the system. In addition, payments are determined by what you've earned historically and not by what you've paid in.
In this case.....(sm)
since we are talking about history, I would go with historical facts as opposed to theological references.
Case in point.
I never said what my political affiliation is, gt. Mostly, I have talked about one subject, Bill Bennett, and not from a political viewpoint either. You automatically assume that because I do not agree with you, I am a neocon. But to hear you tell it, you don't make generalizations. But you see, you do, and this is made perfectly clear by this post. Also, the misuse and overuse of the term neocon says a lot about you. Do you realize how strongly you negate intelligent debate when you feel the need to label the person to whom you are speaking?
In that case, you sure must not read much!!!
Plus you seem kind of proud to be so darn ignorant.
Writer, in case you do see this
This is not the first time A.W. has had a hissy fit and said she's leaving....with that said the poster she talked about who was banned (something I didn't know until this thread) was the queen mother of hatred and never posted anything that was not extremely inflammatory. She accused others of drinking while freely admitting she struggled with an alcohol problem. She verbalized death wishes upon the president...so on and so on. She attacked conservatives with her fangs bared. It's really pretty sad that they cannot talk to people without taking broad issues so personally. There are a few, (and I do mean a few here) while we definitely differ with them on a lot of issues are approachable and will have a decent conversation with you. However, the amicable people are usually run off the board by the bitter ones who equate Bush and conservatives with Satan. It's really sad they are stuck in such an immature state and/or overwrought with bitterness.
In this case, I would say it was more Malloy...sm
If it was truly financial, they just made their situation worse firing Malloy. He was very popular and many are cancelling their premium subscriptions to AAR.
Once case scenario that happens sm
One case scenario that happens regarding employed people getting health insurance through their employers is this. Unfortunately recessions happen. A covered person is laid off. Yes, they can continue coverage through COBRA. Some recessions are long lasting, the laid off person cannot find employment for months or longer. The bills meanwhile are racking up, if there are any savings it not so slowly gets eaten up, and the COBRA coverage is not cheap, to the tune of $600.00 a month or more. That person may very well want to hold onto their coverage but simply cannot. They have to drop the coverage. Hopefully this person eventually is able to get another job that also has health insurance benefits. They then have to go through another pre-existing condition waiting period as they had to drop their insurance and therefore lost their continuous coverage provision. Maybe that person falls seriously ill during that period with some pre-existing condition, and ...financially ruined for the rest of their life as a result..through no fault of their own.
Yes, there are people who are able to afford health insurance but have a devil may care attitude...until they become ill, but there are many other scenarios that are occurring as well, and occurring more frequently.
Another problem is due to the high cost of health insurance fewer and fewer employers are even offering benefits, which leaves working people to attempt to secure individual policies, and in that market anyone can be denied coverage. It does not even have to be a "major" health condition. Heath insurance companies can, and do, deny people coverage due to "run of the mill" problems such as a little hypothyroidism, or that they broke a few bones as a kid while growing up.
I certainly don't have the answers, but tis rather a mess.
well said, ditto, only in my case, it
was cherokee on one side, who by the way, are among those legally here and least heard from and not whining although they certainly have enough reason. The other sides are Irish and English and then there are the Swedes who did 6 months time quarantee on Ellis Island before coming to Texas. She outlived 3 husbands and raised 5 children, 2 boys fighting in WWII and winning for one a bronze star and the other a purple heart and he rode into Berlin on a tank the day the Americans took it. The one with the bronze star saved a man's life at the cost of his own in the 50's on a light pole working for GE. They all grew up speaking Swedish and all learned English. In my case, I learned morse code and that will have to do for my second language.
That may be the case. But it is up to individuals...
whether or not to get down and wallow in that kind of stuff or rise above it. I just wish more would rise above it. I don't think Obama thinks, because he is running for President, his children should be fair game and he should just roll over and take it because of what he is doing in his life. At least I hope he wouldn't. And I find it sad that some of his supporters do. That is all I am saying.
If that's the case, then one thing you might
the fact that Obama's opposition has had a much longer time, including the entire primary seasion (which seemed to last forever) to put him down and promote character assassinating rhetoric. SP, an unknown from out of nowhere, has been on the scene almost one week. Seems like it may be a bit premature to draw any hasty conclusions until a little more time passes. There is still much about her that is unknown. For me, that is a yellow caution light at best.
The case was about a teacher
There was a case where they were trying to ban a teacher from wearing a cross.
Well....that being the case...we only have this guy's word...
that those figures are correct, but you accept those at face value? My whole point in this is that she did her job for the people who elected her...the people of Alaska. I don't see anything wrong with that.
No I think it's another deadly case of
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Case in point......
The fact that I know you have not bothered to educate yourself on the Federal Reserve is the reason you continue to blame a certain party, the party you hate. That doesn't mean that party is to blame, just who you chose to blame because you refuse to take the time to discover why we are in this shape. Bush wasn't even born when the problem began and the institution that started the problem...
Guess what? It is true. The Federal Reserve really does exist and will exist even when Obama is in office. And it will continue to manipulate you and your money and run your government and other governments as well. Who will you blame then?
Anybody heard of this case?
I had heard that there was some question as to where Obama was born ...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs
I rest my case!
Pittsburgh law enforcement sources tell TMZ they have serious questions about the authenticity of the alleged victim who says she had her face cut by a politically-motivated attacker.
We're told there are several things about the alleged attack that don't add up. A Pittsburgh PD official says they are conducting a "thorough investigation" and have not determined if the alleged attack is real or a hoax. But we're told there is definitely a level of skepticism.
that was proven to not be the case as well
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Oh yeah, in case you want to see what he can do for you...
http://taxcut.barackobama.com/
Well in this case it would be Obama
dressed like he is in that picture. All he needs is Osama Bin Laden with his arm around his shoulder and each one holding an automatic weapon.
If that wre the case, why do you suppose that nobody
The Black Panthers remind me of just how far things had to go and how hard they had to fight before black people in this country were given their civil rights. The Panthers are a part of that history and have as much right as anybody to be there. I would not feel the least bit intimidated by their presence and, in fact, would be grateful that we have come as far as we have since those day. Intimidation is in the eyes of the beholder. Get over yourself.
Who cares what she has to say - she's a case
Just another. She tells him to stop being a hater????? She should eat those words.
Anybody who watches Newt and has read his books knows he is a highly intelligent gentleman who knows what he is talking about. Smart as a whip. Obama's administration would be a lot better off if they offered him a position, but then again Obama will not be uniting the two parties. It will be more separation and filled with liberals.
I so pity you! You are such a sad case
be wasted!
i rest my case
no need for further discussion, you proved my point!
There ya go, I rest my case nm
thanks!
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