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No, it wasn't right. It's unfair, & illegal.

Posted By: Yay or Nay on 2008-09-17
In Reply to: Is this too far? - New Englander




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That's a little unfair
don't you think. There are always people who threaten on both sides--they are the far extremes of any political group. No one group holds a monopoly on threats. Please try to think about this objectively.
Unfair?

You seem to be an intelligent person so would you please explain to me why my opinion is unfair?  She never removed her Hollywood, or beauty queen might be a better description, smile.  I do not think this is the time or place for the "oh gee, oh gosh, doggone it" folksiness.   Give me at least one good point that she made about specifically what she and McCain would do if elected.  Oh yeah, I know, she's a soccer mom and she has a handicapped child.  Well, Bidin had a more compelling story on that, at least for me!  Sheesh?  You have your opinion, I have mine.  Doesn't matter if we happen to agree or not.  I'm not going to "sheesh" you.  I DO NOT want to see Palin in the position of Vice-President nor do I want to see McCain in the White House.  If picking her as his running mate, after meeting her only briefly, is an example (and it is) of his judgment capabilities then again, in my opinioin, we can expect more bad judgment on crucial issues from him.


I have serious issues with Obama.  Again, with his radical, racist church affilitation and there is no doubt in my mind about that.  I DO NOT believe he is muslim or has leanings toward muslimism.  Then there is the issue of his wife, who is for the first time proud of her country.  There is no doubt in my mind that she said what she meant and meant what she said.  That ought to tell us something. I am not concerned whether he wears a flag lapel pin or not.  That's nothing  more than show and tell anyway, a terrorist could wear a lapel pin.


What does concern me is that it is my belief that this Wall Street failure was orchestrated, probably by the Democrats, to give them an advantage.  Furthermore, I fully expect the Republicans to retaliate.  What will it be?  Another terrorist attack or maybe just a video released at an opportune time to remind us that bin Laden may rear his ugly head at any moments and McCain is just the person who could deal with him?


After the debate I feel comfortable with Joe Biden.  Perhaps I am wrong.  Time will tell.  Either Obama will win and, like John Kerry, we'll never know what kind of president John McCain would  have been or McCain  will win and there'll be no doubt.  The last 2 elections I voted AGAINST George W. Bush.  Seems I was right but then again, we don't know what kind of pres. John Kerry would have been. I don't see how he could possibly have been worse than G. W. Bush.


Folks, we need to get over the Republican/Democrat thing and realize our country is in SERIOUS trouble.  Personally I don't think it will make much difference which of them is elected.  We need to write letters, make phone calls or do whatever is necessary to tell these politicians they WILL do their job and pay attention to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.  I talked yesterday with a lady in my representative's office locally.  I told her that I was outraged about the Wall Street bail-out.  She said they had had very few calls that were in favor of it but the representative (Republican) voted for it because he was worried about people on fixed incomes.  HA!  I told her I am such a person.  We risk losing our secure retirement but a bail out is not going to help us...the little people on fixed incomes.  It will make the rich richer and destroy our children and grandchildren's future. Next will be another conglomerate that absolutely requires bail-out.  Maybe it will be Wal-Mart, the retail giant that we just couldn't live without?


Sorry for the rant but IMHO we have gotten in this mess because the majority of voters can't see past the Democrat/Republican affilitation!!!!


 


I think it's unfair to say (sm)
that liberals support a woman's right to choose. I'm about as conservative as you can get and I believe abortion should be nobody's business but the woman having one and the doctor performing it.

While I don't agree with abortion and would never personally have one, I don't believe in villifying those that do.

Last summer in my town, there were a group of pro-lifers that paraded up and down the main drag in town with posters showing what aborted babies looked like - imagine driving down that street with your 8-year-old son like I did, trying your best to ignore it and hope he did too.

This demonstration made me wonder if any of those people had ever offered thier services to a pregnant woman considering an abortion. They could easily offer baby-sitting services while the girl finished school or went to work, give them rides to the doctor's office during the pregnancy, be a friend - someone to talk to. I'm pretty sure they've never done any of that (only because I knew most of them) and I think that's sad - they probably would prevent more abortions that way than screaming "baby killer" at those same women.
That's an unfair characterization and I think you know that...
sheesh. nm.
I think that's a really unfair statement.
To say that we are afraid of him because he's black? I personally don't care what color he is as long as he does his job for the good of America instead of the good of himself, like too many other "leaders" in Washington.

I'm afraid because I don't think his bailout plan is going to work. I'm afriad that instead of surrounding himself with intelligent people, he's surrounding himself with crooks (Geithner). And I'm afrid that there are too many people up on the hill that are going to make life impossible for him when he actually has a plan that will work (and I'm not just talking about republicans - there are now fellow democrats that are voicing concern). THAT'S what I'm afriad of.

I agree that there's a lot of hate on this board, but that's indicative of America - there are some very narrow-minded people in this country and many that just aren't happy unless their side wins. But to say that we're afraid of him because he's black is just utter nonsense, at least for the majority, so please don't lump us all into the same category.
Totally unfair. Fox is the only unbiased
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What an unfair slam against this woman.
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That is unfair. You have no idea what people do...
for their fellow man. Christians don't need to have the government extract money from them to fund programs...there are faith-based organizations all over this country, in fact all over the world who take care of their fellow man. Perhaps if more liberals would do the same, there would not be a need for the government to extract money for programs. Put your money where your mouth is.
The robot comment was unfair....
I do not understand people's penchant for ridicule. I just don't get that kind of attitude. If you want to have a political opinion, fine; but do you have to personalize it?

Frankly, I was happy to see her smile. She is still excited about public service. She WANTS to help. She still has that zeal. Did you look at him? Only smiled at HER, looked at the moderator or the press instead of the camera. SHE was talking to ME. HE was trying to score points.

With all due respect, I seriously doubt he picked her after having only met her briefly. That is pure supposition on your part.

If you had been listening to her with an open mind instead of dissing the way she speaks...and frankly, friend, I come from a folksy part of the country and am folksy myself and being folksy does not indicate ignorance. I am tired of people who talk a good fight. I would like to see something other than Washington politics as usual...which Joe Biden is the poster boy for.

As I said, I do not ascribe to nor am I ruled by a political party. This will be the first time in my voting life I have EVER voted a straight anything ticket, and it is darned sure going to be Republican. Won't be in any way responsible for an Obama presidency with a democrat majority to go with it. Let me repeat...NO WAY, NO HOW. We may be circling the drain now...an Obama presidency will send us right on down the toilet.


Totally unfair. Bush is the only one trying
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That's not only not true, but completely unfair.
You can't say that everyone on the right defends these people. Who have you heard defend this guy?

And saying that those extremists are the base of the pub party? That's like saying Bill Ayers is the base of the dem party.

Once again, you can't lump all pubs together as the party of hate.
McCain wasn't desperate and wasn't behind in the polls
In fact, they have been neck and and neck, and McCain has been gaining in the polls while Obama has been slipping. McCain could have taken the easy way and kept the stable course and picked safer, sure. Instead, he picked a maverick leader like himself, who isn't afraid to get in there and make changes even if it goes against their own party. I believe he wanted to say that the Republicans are the party for change, and wanted to make a bold statement. I've seen statements at "other sites" as well where people are absolutely joyous at this pick.
So untrue and so unfair. Disagree with his policies,
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Larger-Than-Life Corporate Salaries are Unfair to Average American Workers. see article.

Commentary: Larger-Than-Life Corporate Salaries are Unfair to Average American Workers


Date: Friday, April 14, 2006
By: Judge Greg Mathis, BlackAmericaWeb.com



Despite slower-than-anticipated growth and lower-than-expected profits, many corporations have generously rewarded their leaders, while simultaneously reducing lower-level staff salaries and benefits in an attempt to control costs. This disturbing practice only serves to further widen the gap between America’s wealthy few and its working class and clearly demonstrates just how little this country values its workforce.


At a time when most American workers are struggling to make basic ends meet and worrying how they’ll manage to save enough for retirement, many of this country’s corporate chief executives are stuffing their pockets with larger-than-life compensation packages that include high base salaries, stock options and ample pension plans. In 2004, the average chief executive’s salary at a large company was more than 170 times that of the average worker’s pay. Last year, executive salaries grew 25 percent, while that of the average American worker grew only 3.1 percent. 




Even when a company struggles, their CEOs are still rewarded. For example, the current CEO of a global manufacturing firm received over $11 million in compensation last year, despite the company’s $3.4 billion revenue loss, an 11-percent drop in stock value and a staff reduction of 17,000 workers. There are similar stories at corporations across the country. While worker pensions are frozen and many are asked to do without raises, CEOs manage to earn their multi-million dollar bonuses.


It’s no surprise that CEOs are cleaning up. Consider this: Corporations often use compensation committees to set their executive salaries. Many of these committees use outside consultants to help guide the process. These consultants are often already contracted to do other work for the company. The conflict of interest here is obvious: The consultant won’t upset the CEO -- and risk losing other contracts -- by setting a more realistic, performance based pay model.


Many corporate CEOs are, in short, getting over, and it is a slap in the face of every American worker. While it is understood that executive salaries would greatly exceed that of the average worker’s, there is no logical argument to explain why the growth rate between the two is so dramatically different. To protect its workforce, corporate America must ensure worker’s salaries grow at rates that keep pace with the cost of living, while slowing the rate of growth of CEO salaries. Corporate boards must stop rewarding CEOs with multi-million dollar bonuses. It is unacceptable for a company to lay off thousands of workers and then turn around and pay an executive for a job well done.


As a country, we often ask our government to think about the needs of the average American, and rightly so. However, if America is to truly prosper, the corporations that feed our local economy must also consider and respect the well-being of average worker.


---


Judge Greg Mathis is national vice president of Rainbow PUSH and a national board member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.


Still not illegal
I agree with Lila that I believe abortion is immoral but it's not illegal.  Legality is a tangible thing and not an opinion.
but just because you think it should be illegal
doesn't mean that it IS illegal. U.S. law does not hinge on whether you think something should be illegal, although you certainly affect that outcome by your vote.

Democrat, relativism will not work here. Your opinion on what reality should be does not make that reality so. I imagine a world where no unborn babies are killed, but I realize that it may never happen AND I acknowledge at this very moment that abortion is legal whether I like the fact or not.
and this is illegal?
x
And these will be some of the illegal
big O elected, should it happen.
then that is illegal -
grant money does not have to be counted as income, but you cannot turn around and count tuition as an expense if you received the grant money.

It adds up though with just the EIC to a lot of money without adding in that other stuff.

It really makes me sick! I believe in having programs to help people with childcare, food expenses, housing expense, etc., but I don't believe in just handing money to someone because they have the misfortune of making less money.

It is not fair and it has been abused too much!
THAT's what you got out of this...... not the law the illegal
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I don't know of any illegal immoral war
This war was approved by our own elected officials in the house and senate. I won't even start on the immoral part, because you really know that's bunk too.
The fact is the war is not illegal
It went through all appropriate channels, and we have NEVER agreed with the U.N. to approve all military actions through them. We do have agreements, but we have NEVER given the U.N. the authority to tell us whether we will go to war or not. The congress has ultimate authority to approvate any military action we pursue, period. They approved it, so it's completely legal.
That's how W got elected! U mean that was illegal! Huh!
Can't imagine the pubs doing anything illegal.,,,,,,,
Coz that is illegal under campaign

finance law.  Maybe McCain can allow homeless to stay in one of his 11 homes when he and Cindy are out flying in their personal jet?


 


not illegal, but definitely unethical
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shouldn't have said illegal, but
does all that make you think this election is going to be legitimate? Why, oh why can't people just do things straight up and let the people really be heard. I am sick of the whole thing, and honestly do not believe it really matters who wins either way... they are all politicians
Illegal immigrants.....
It is estimated that there are 10 million illegal immigrants in the US.
I bet it has to be to some advantage for the US, otherwise they would be persecuted more severely.

What do you expect from an illegal? (sm)
He's probably trying to get McCain to lend him his birth certificate. 
Illegal aliens are definitely
hurting our country expense wise.  I know they want a better life and I know they want a chance at the American dream too and I can't blame them for that.  But they are going to have to do it the legal way.  It almost seems like illegals have more rights than we do sometimes.  Jobs are scarce as it is....we don't need illegals coming in wanting jobs too.
no, they were not an illegal alien, are you? nm

no, not an illegal alien, are you? nm

Illegal aliens

http://www.kfire.us/Brochure/Publicationblue2.pdf


We need to pay more attention to illegal aliens than we do.  We don't want things in the US like MS 13....which unfortunately is already in the US.  This gang is brutal and will do anything to anyone if they get in their way.  The costs of illegal aliens


Illegal aliens hurt our schools which in turn hurt our children.  They are getting free healthcare in emergency rooms that taxpayers are paying for.  Some of you on this board might actually want to research this a bit before you say it isn't a big deal.


About illegal aliens.

There was another "gathering" yesterday for the Hispanic man beaten to death almost a year ago. One of the banners stated 'Stop the raids and deportation'.  The other one read 'Stop racial hatred. Stop separation of families.' and 2 others I couldn't catch. Two women from Philadelphia stated "We have to stop deporting the people. They are human beings, too." Unbelievable! 


There have been a total of 4 "gatherings" to honor the man that was killed. This town is 30% Hispanic now in a period of about 4 years. The background of this town and its people are mostly Polish, Irish, and Italian who came here to work in the mines in the late 1800s and early 1900s. There are only about 6,000 people in this town now.


http://www.republicanherald.com/articles/2009/02/15/news/local_news/pr_republican.20090215.a.pg1.pr15vigil_s1.2306408_loc.txt


How many think you should bail out illegal

Unfortunately, there is no illegal prohibition against it
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Suicide is illegal.....
but how do you prosecute? sorry, but I find this morbidly funny. If someone wants to end their life, they will.
oh..he did a few things unethical and illegal
Getting information about his blind trust investments and also cashing in stock within two weeks before his father and brother owned hospital corporations stock was devalued.  Like what Martha Stewart did..Got an inside tip.  He denied he ever knew what was in his blind trust, however, the new head of the SEC said Frist was given many updates on what stocks he had and how they were doing, which is a no no as being a lawmaker he could easily sway laws to benefit the companies he has invested in.
If illegal, immoral war is genocide, then yes.
be escorted to France.
Show me in law were pre-emptive war is illegal
Please pray tell, because the executive, judicial, legislative branches all disagree with you on that one. Sorry
It's morally illegal in my opinion...nm

illegal health care
I so agree with you on this. I typed a lot of reports a while back that are similar to what you are typing. Also, I thought it funny how many illegal adults were getting care through the hospital as well. The only way I knew this was those who were illegal did not have SS# when every other patient did. It's sad. I took a 2nd full-time job just so I could have insurance!
We are not funding an illegal immoral war...
we are funding our troops in combat sent there by our duly elected Congress. There is nothing illegal about that. If you are suggesting we withdraw funding from our troops who are in combat, that is definitely UNpatriotic and I would venture to say borders on treason. And what a nice message to send to our men and women in harm's way..."you are dying for nothing in an illegal immoral war and you are taking money we could be using for extending entitlements higher up the income ladder." Yeah, that is patriotic. Oh yeah. Ask a soldier how patriotic that is. You, my friend, need to buy a vowel and get a clue yourself.

And please, stop with the name calling. Your post was was judgmental, so pot calling the kettle black there. The last 4 years you have had a Congress controlled by Democrats, so any "ruining" that has been done during this time certainly has had Dem help.

All of the front-running Dem candidates, Clinton, Obama and Edwards...all said at the New Hampshire debate they could not commit to having the troops out of Iraq by 2013, so for all their posturing, they are not going to end the war either.

Protest may be patriotic...so should be good taste and basic care about how men and women in harm's way perceive what they hear you say and do. But of course...you don't care about that...and to me that is the height of selfishness. It is more important for you to protest than it is to support men and women in combat. In what alternate reality can you find that patrotic?
Get a grip. This is illegal and against the constitution. nm
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If Mrs. M thinks Fox is illegal and Rush too, obviously she's not for...
free speech, and that is Marxism, socialism, and communism.


The fairness doctrine is fair only to the far left media.



All your civil liberties will go down the tubes, and obama supporters could care less.


Ignorance at its finest.
Doesn't mean I want it to be illegal at all stages because (sm)
I know what the dire consequences of that would be as well. But there has to be a limit.
nothing illegal has occurred until they actually vote -
it is up to the pollsters to keep the people from voting illegally - if you check people's ID that should take care of the situation.
Views on illegal immigrants and which ...sm

presidential candidate do you think MAY do something more about it.  I am sure a lot of you realize we have illegal immigrants (mostly in large number Mexican immigrants) who have swarmed into the country illegally. 


I have an Mexian illegal immigrant who lives near me.  She is nice enough.  She doesn't speak really good english.  I know she got pregnant and was actually able to go to our neighboring state and apply for Medicaid to pay for her prenatal care and the child after it was born.  And do you know she got Medicaid and I know for a fact she is an illegal immigrant because she told me herself.  I asked and she told me.  When it is possible for someone who is not even in our country legally to obtain government assistance, that is just insane.  What is wrong with our country? 


Thoughts on illegal immigrants...

Are they working on getting their citizenship.  If so, what is the time frame to getting citizenship. Isn't that the name of the game?


Here in ATL, it is a hot topic on the news.  I just want what is fair to happen.  I do want secure borders, however.  My reason is to keep out terrorists.  They can blend in with neighboring borders and pretend to be a citizen from that country.


Remember that guy who said he wanted to learn to fly a plane but didn't want to learn how to land.  why didn't red flags go up with that comment.  It seems we work extra hard at keeping airports safe but not borders. and I know people get offended when you want the borders safe but those people should also want safe borders from the terrorists for their families.


Don't want to offend, just want to be fair to everybody.


Yes, children are but NOT the ILLEGAL PARENTS...they
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Abortion is morally illegal in my opinion.
So who is right about any of this?  When we look at matters such as these, we judge subjectively and that's natural.  I believe we have to stop terrorism.  This war is not morally illegal to me. 
Droves of illegal immigrants entering now...sm
so what's the difference.  Our great USA is in complete turmoil.  Things including economy were much better when Bill Clinton was president.  People could not have been in their right mind to vote for Bush twice.