Totally unfair. Bush is the only one trying
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Totally unfair. Fox is the only unbiased
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That's a little unfair
don't you think. There are always people who threaten on both sides--they are the far extremes of any political group. No one group holds a monopoly on threats. Please try to think about this objectively.
Unfair?
You seem to be an intelligent person so would you please explain to me why my opinion is unfair? She never removed her Hollywood, or beauty queen might be a better description, smile. I do not think this is the time or place for the "oh gee, oh gosh, doggone it" folksiness. Give me at least one good point that she made about specifically what she and McCain would do if elected. Oh yeah, I know, she's a soccer mom and she has a handicapped child. Well, Bidin had a more compelling story on that, at least for me! Sheesh? You have your opinion, I have mine. Doesn't matter if we happen to agree or not. I'm not going to "sheesh" you. I DO NOT want to see Palin in the position of Vice-President nor do I want to see McCain in the White House. If picking her as his running mate, after meeting her only briefly, is an example (and it is) of his judgment capabilities then again, in my opinioin, we can expect more bad judgment on crucial issues from him.
I have serious issues with Obama. Again, with his radical, racist church affilitation and there is no doubt in my mind about that. I DO NOT believe he is muslim or has leanings toward muslimism. Then there is the issue of his wife, who is for the first time proud of her country. There is no doubt in my mind that she said what she meant and meant what she said. That ought to tell us something. I am not concerned whether he wears a flag lapel pin or not. That's nothing more than show and tell anyway, a terrorist could wear a lapel pin.
What does concern me is that it is my belief that this Wall Street failure was orchestrated, probably by the Democrats, to give them an advantage. Furthermore, I fully expect the Republicans to retaliate. What will it be? Another terrorist attack or maybe just a video released at an opportune time to remind us that bin Laden may rear his ugly head at any moments and McCain is just the person who could deal with him?
After the debate I feel comfortable with Joe Biden. Perhaps I am wrong. Time will tell. Either Obama will win and, like John Kerry, we'll never know what kind of president John McCain would have been or McCain will win and there'll be no doubt. The last 2 elections I voted AGAINST George W. Bush. Seems I was right but then again, we don't know what kind of pres. John Kerry would have been. I don't see how he could possibly have been worse than G. W. Bush.
Folks, we need to get over the Republican/Democrat thing and realize our country is in SERIOUS trouble. Personally I don't think it will make much difference which of them is elected. We need to write letters, make phone calls or do whatever is necessary to tell these politicians they WILL do their job and pay attention to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE. I talked yesterday with a lady in my representative's office locally. I told her that I was outraged about the Wall Street bail-out. She said they had had very few calls that were in favor of it but the representative (Republican) voted for it because he was worried about people on fixed incomes. HA! I told her I am such a person. We risk losing our secure retirement but a bail out is not going to help us...the little people on fixed incomes. It will make the rich richer and destroy our children and grandchildren's future. Next will be another conglomerate that absolutely requires bail-out. Maybe it will be Wal-Mart, the retail giant that we just couldn't live without?
Sorry for the rant but IMHO we have gotten in this mess because the majority of voters can't see past the Democrat/Republican affilitation!!!!
I think it's unfair to say (sm)
that liberals support a woman's right to choose. I'm about as conservative as you can get and I believe abortion should be nobody's business but the woman having one and the doctor performing it.
While I don't agree with abortion and would never personally have one, I don't believe in villifying those that do.
Last summer in my town, there were a group of pro-lifers that paraded up and down the main drag in town with posters showing what aborted babies looked like - imagine driving down that street with your 8-year-old son like I did, trying your best to ignore it and hope he did too.
This demonstration made me wonder if any of those people had ever offered thier services to a pregnant woman considering an abortion. They could easily offer baby-sitting services while the girl finished school or went to work, give them rides to the doctor's office during the pregnancy, be a friend - someone to talk to. I'm pretty sure they've never done any of that (only because I knew most of them) and I think that's sad - they probably would prevent more abortions that way than screaming "baby killer" at those same women.
That's an unfair characterization and I think you know that...
sheesh. nm.
I think that's a really unfair statement.
To say that we are afraid of him because he's black? I personally don't care what color he is as long as he does his job for the good of America instead of the good of himself, like too many other "leaders" in Washington.
I'm afraid because I don't think his bailout plan is going to work. I'm afriad that instead of surrounding himself with intelligent people, he's surrounding himself with crooks (Geithner). And I'm afrid that there are too many people up on the hill that are going to make life impossible for him when he actually has a plan that will work (and I'm not just talking about republicans - there are now fellow democrats that are voicing concern). THAT'S what I'm afriad of.
I agree that there's a lot of hate on this board, but that's indicative of America - there are some very narrow-minded people in this country and many that just aren't happy unless their side wins. But to say that we're afraid of him because he's black is just utter nonsense, at least for the majority, so please don't lump us all into the same category.
What an unfair slam against this woman.
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That is unfair. You have no idea what people do...
for their fellow man. Christians don't need to have the government extract money from them to fund programs...there are faith-based organizations all over this country, in fact all over the world who take care of their fellow man. Perhaps if more liberals would do the same, there would not be a need for the government to extract money for programs. Put your money where your mouth is.
No, it wasn't right. It's unfair, & illegal.
The robot comment was unfair....
I do not understand people's penchant for ridicule. I just don't get that kind of attitude. If you want to have a political opinion, fine; but do you have to personalize it?
Frankly, I was happy to see her smile. She is still excited about public service. She WANTS to help. She still has that zeal. Did you look at him? Only smiled at HER, looked at the moderator or the press instead of the camera. SHE was talking to ME. HE was trying to score points.
With all due respect, I seriously doubt he picked her after having only met her briefly. That is pure supposition on your part.
If you had been listening to her with an open mind instead of dissing the way she speaks...and frankly, friend, I come from a folksy part of the country and am folksy myself and being folksy does not indicate ignorance. I am tired of people who talk a good fight. I would like to see something other than Washington politics as usual...which Joe Biden is the poster boy for.
As I said, I do not ascribe to nor am I ruled by a political party. This will be the first time in my voting life I have EVER voted a straight anything ticket, and it is darned sure going to be Republican. Won't be in any way responsible for an Obama presidency with a democrat majority to go with it. Let me repeat...NO WAY, NO HOW. We may be circling the drain now...an Obama presidency will send us right on down the toilet.
That's not only not true, but completely unfair.
You can't say that everyone on the right defends these people. Who have you heard defend this guy?
And saying that those extremists are the base of the pub party? That's like saying Bill Ayers is the base of the dem party.
Once again, you can't lump all pubs together as the party of hate.
So untrue and so unfair. Disagree with his policies,
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Larger-Than-Life Corporate Salaries are Unfair to Average American Workers. see article.
Commentary: Larger-Than-Life Corporate Salaries are Unfair to Average American Workers
Date: Friday, April 14, 2006
By: Judge Greg Mathis, BlackAmericaWeb.com
Despite slower-than-anticipated growth and lower-than-expected profits, many corporations have generously rewarded their leaders, while simultaneously reducing lower-level staff salaries and benefits in an attempt to control costs. This disturbing practice only serves to further widen the gap between America’s wealthy few and its working class and clearly demonstrates just how little this country values its workforce.
At a time when most American workers are struggling to make basic ends meet and worrying how they’ll manage to save enough for retirement, many of this country’s corporate chief executives are stuffing their pockets with larger-than-life compensation packages that include high base salaries, stock options and ample pension plans. In 2004, the average chief executive’s salary at a large company was more than 170 times that of the average worker’s pay. Last year, executive salaries grew 25 percent, while that of the average American worker grew only 3.1 percent.
Even when a company struggles, their CEOs are still rewarded. For example, the current CEO of a global manufacturing firm received over $11 million in compensation last year, despite the company’s $3.4 billion revenue loss, an 11-percent drop in stock value and a staff reduction of 17,000 workers. There are similar stories at corporations across the country. While worker pensions are frozen and many are asked to do without raises, CEOs manage to earn their multi-million dollar bonuses.
It’s no surprise that CEOs are cleaning up. Consider this: Corporations often use compensation committees to set their executive salaries. Many of these committees use outside consultants to help guide the process. These consultants are often already contracted to do other work for the company. The conflict of interest here is obvious: The consultant won’t upset the CEO -- and risk losing other contracts -- by setting a more realistic, performance based pay model.
Many corporate CEOs are, in short, getting over, and it is a slap in the face of every American worker. While it is understood that executive salaries would greatly exceed that of the average worker’s, there is no logical argument to explain why the growth rate between the two is so dramatically different. To protect its workforce, corporate America must ensure worker’s salaries grow at rates that keep pace with the cost of living, while slowing the rate of growth of CEO salaries. Corporate boards must stop rewarding CEOs with multi-million dollar bonuses. It is unacceptable for a company to lay off thousands of workers and then turn around and pay an executive for a job well done.
As a country, we often ask our government to think about the needs of the average American, and rightly so. However, if America is to truly prosper, the corporations that feed our local economy must also consider and respect the well-being of average worker.
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Judge Greg Mathis is national vice president of Rainbow PUSH and a national board member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
Wow, my post was totally and completely respectful and yours is totally and completely not. sm
what a surprise. Can't stand to be corrected or proven wrong, can you. Have to call everyone a liar, don't you. Got to tell people to stick things somewhere, don't you. TSK TSK TSK Anger management might be helpful.
Bush aides challenge Biden's boasts of Bush slapdowns.
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
Fleischer said that whenever Bush met with Sen. Biden, the meeting also included a congressional counterpart so as to not "antagonize" the House.
Karl Rove, former White House political adviser, also was skeptical of Biden's claim to have spent "a lot of hours alone" with Bush.
"I remember checking on such a Biden exaggeration while at the White House and no one witnessed the meeting and his comments in remotely the same way," Rove said.
Candida P. Wolff, Bush's White House liaison to Capitol Hill, said the only meetings she remembered between Bush and Biden also included other lawmakers. She said such meetings were held in the Cabinet Room or the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, not the Oval Office, and certainly did not last for "hours."
"The president would never sit through two hours of Joe Biden," Wolff said. "I don't ever remember Biden being in the Oval. He was such a blowhard on all that stuff - there wasn't a reason to bring him in."
Andy Card, former White House chief of staff, reviewed the two Biden claims and said: "This does not ring true to me. I doubt that it happened."
A spokesman for Bush declined comment, although a person close to the former president said Bush does not remember either episode.
This is not the first time the veracity of Biden's assertions has been challenged. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. The Washington Post also cited "the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record."
Last year, liberal Slate magazine recalled that "Biden's misdeeds encompassed numerous self-aggrandizing thefts, misstatements, and exaggerations that seemed to point to a serious character defect."
Also last year, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.
"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube in July. "Number one, you take all the troops out -- you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."
But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed."
Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.
"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."
Seven weeks after claiming to have been "shot at" in Iraq, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."
"If you want to know where AL Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."
But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
Bush aides challenge Biden's boasts of Bush slapdowns.
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
Fleischer said that whenever Bush met with Sen. Biden, the meeting also included a congressional counterpart so as to not "antagonize" the House.
Karl Rove, former White House political adviser, also was skeptical of Biden's claim to have spent "a lot of hours alone" with Bush.
"I remember checking on such a Biden exaggeration while at the White House and no one witnessed the meeting and his comments in remotely the same way," Rove said.
Candida P. Wolff, Bush's White House liaison to Capitol Hill, said the only meetings she remembered between Bush and Biden also included other lawmakers. She said such meetings were held in the Cabinet Room or the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, not the Oval Office, and certainly did not last for "hours."
"The president would never sit through two hours of Joe Biden," Wolff said. "I don't ever remember Biden being in the Oval. He was such a blowhard on all that stuff - there wasn't a reason to bring him in."
Andy Card, former White House chief of staff, reviewed the two Biden claims and said: "This does not ring true to me. I doubt that it happened."
A spokesman for Bush declined comment, although a person close to the former president said Bush does not remember either episode.
This is not the first time the veracity of Biden's assertions has been challenged. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. The Washington Post also cited "the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record."
Last year, liberal Slate magazine recalled that "Biden's misdeeds encompassed numerous self-aggrandizing thefts, misstatements, and exaggerations that seemed to point to a serious character defect."
Also last year, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.
"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube in July. "Number one, you take all the troops out -- you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."
But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed."
Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.
"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."
Seven weeks after claiming to have been "shot at" in Iraq, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."
"If you want to know where AL Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."
But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
Bush aides challenge Biden's boasts of Bush slapdowns.
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
Fleischer said that whenever Bush met with Sen. Biden, the meeting also included a congressional counterpart so as to not "antagonize" the House.
Karl Rove, former White House political adviser, also was skeptical of Biden's claim to have spent "a lot of hours alone" with Bush.
"I remember checking on such a Biden exaggeration while at the White House and no one witnessed the meeting and his comments in remotely the same way," Rove said.
Candida P. Wolff, Bush's White House liaison to Capitol Hill, said the only meetings she remembered between Bush and Biden also included other lawmakers. She said such meetings were held in the Cabinet Room or the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, not the Oval Office, and certainly did not last for "hours."
"The president would never sit through two hours of Joe Biden," Wolff said. "I don't ever remember Biden being in the Oval. He was such a blowhard on all that stuff - there wasn't a reason to bring him in."
Andy Card, former White House chief of staff, reviewed the two Biden claims and said: "This does not ring true to me. I doubt that it happened."
A spokesman for Bush declined comment, although a person close to the former president said Bush does not remember either episode.
This is not the first time the veracity of Biden's assertions has been challenged. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. The Washington Post also cited "the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record."
Last year, liberal Slate magazine recalled that "Biden's misdeeds encompassed numerous self-aggrandizing thefts, misstatements, and exaggerations that seemed to point to a serious character defect."
Also last year, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.
"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube in July. "Number one, you take all the troops out -- you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."
But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed."
Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.
"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."
Seven weeks after claiming to have been "shot at" in Iraq, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."
"If you want to know where AL Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."
But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
Bush aides challenge Biden's boasts of Bush slapdowns.
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
Fleischer said that whenever Bush met with Sen. Biden, the meeting also included a congressional counterpart so as to not "antagonize" the House.
Karl Rove, former White House political adviser, also was skeptical of Biden's claim to have spent "a lot of hours alone" with Bush.
"I remember checking on such a Biden exaggeration while at the White House and no one witnessed the meeting and his comments in remotely the same way," Rove said.
Candida P. Wolff, Bush's White House liaison to Capitol Hill, said the only meetings she remembered between Bush and Biden also included other lawmakers. She said such meetings were held in the Cabinet Room or the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, not the Oval Office, and certainly did not last for "hours."
"The president would never sit through two hours of Joe Biden," Wolff said. "I don't ever remember Biden being in the Oval. He was such a blowhard on all that stuff - there wasn't a reason to bring him in."
Andy Card, former White House chief of staff, reviewed the two Biden claims and said: "This does not ring true to me. I doubt that it happened."
A spokesman for Bush declined comment, although a person close to the former president said Bush does not remember either episode.
This is not the first time the veracity of Biden's assertions has been challenged. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. The Washington Post also cited "the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record."
Last year, liberal Slate magazine recalled that "Biden's misdeeds encompassed numerous self-aggrandizing thefts, misstatements, and exaggerations that seemed to point to a serious character defect."
Also last year, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.
"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube in July. "Number one, you take all the troops out -- you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."
But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed."
Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.
"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."
Seven weeks after claiming to have been "shot at" in Iraq, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."
"If you want to know where AL Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."
But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
I am being totally serious. What would
I did not ask what you wouldn't believe. I am not being facetious or trying to set up an attack. I am genuinely curious what it would take for those that protest eligibility to hold office on this basis to change their minds.
Let's say Obama produces his birth certificate for verification. Who would have to attest to its validity for you to really, truly believe it?
no he is not hot and I think its totally sm
inappropriate to publish something like this on a magazine cover! He is the president of the United States not some wanna-be Hollywood star...(or is he?)
This is absolutely ridiculous. Sure wish they would put on a cover something he is doing for this country that is positive...but I guess this is as positive as it gets huh? Sickening
And I totally get that.
I understand your point of view and I respect that. Yet you are one of the few feminists who has come out and said that these vicious attacks are uncalled for. Whether or not you agree with someone or not, I just thought feminists were supposed to stick up for their fellow women. I'm just not seeing that out of a majority of feminists. In fact, the ones I have seen are joining in with the personal attacks.
yes, it is, but not totally.......it is about
creation versus evolution and all the discrepancies mentioned in the bible.
For instance: Who was Maria
Magdalene? What role did she play in Jesus's life?
Yeah right. Served under Reagan, Bush I and Bush II
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Stop bringing up Bush - this post was not about Bush
I even said we have had some good presidents and some bad ones, but this post was not about Bush. It was about Obama. Yes Bush was one of the worst presidents I'm not arguing with you on that one, but everytime anyone brings up something about our current president they are shot back with Bush this or Bush that and on things that have nothing to do with what the current topic is about. Again, this was not about Bush. It was about Obama.
Oh, more "blame Bush" - except Bush didn't send these out, now did he?
Here's a news flash for you since you apparently haven't heard: BUSH IS NOT IN OFFICE and just today Gallup did a poll showing that THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS THINK OBAMA SHOULD START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT HAPPENS ON HIS WATCH.
G E T A C L U E.
totally agree with you sm
You are correct on all counts. And I do agree that Bush lied to the American people to further his agenda as a warlord. It was not about bringing democracy to Iraq. It was about domination of the oil market in Iraq. Bush and his henchmen are making millions out of this deal, while killing our soldiers and causing more tension in the world. It's the same thing his father tried to do in 1992.
It's all about greed and money.
I wonder if a president can be impeached for lying to the American public to procure his own agenda. If so, I hope it happens.
Totally agree.
I totally agree that Sadam had to be taken down, kudos to the president. What gets me is that Sadam had nothing to do with 911, and this adminstration still thinks that people are not smart enough to READ and figure that out. Yes kudos to President Bush and his daddy for taking Sadam down he needed it; but thousands are dead because of his personal agenda - see ya in church Sunday, Dubya.
This post is totally out there
This post is totally wrong. I am reporting you to the administrator. How dare you post something like this. HOW DARE YOU.
LOL.....totally clueless. So, gt.....sm
It only matters to you if a Republican's ancient ancestor was in cahoots with Hitler. But Democrats can skate, right? Right! Gotcha!
I totally agree!!!!
This woman gave the ultimate sacrifice, and to me, the opinions of people like her hold more weight than almost anyone's. She has my admiration and respect.
I totally agree! NM
That is like, so totally lame. nm
You are totally twisting what the OP said.
They said, and I agree, that there is a difference between the people looting for food, water and bare necessities than those who are looting for guns, purses, and accessories. No one is promoting people who are stealing guns and harming people.
Take it at face value, and leave the spin for the conservative board.
I agree totally
I feel sorry for the the kids, but I also don't think throwing money at the parents is the answer. I've had an example of a deadbeats in my family who get a check, but the money hardly ever benefits the children. They pocket it and spend it on their selfish desires. To help kids the best thing to do for them is free school lunches and WIC. Food stamps can be traded for drugs and sold for cash. I'm glad to see most states are going to the debit card system with no cash back ability, however, I'm sure the scammers will somehow find a way around that too eventually. I think putting the money directly to what benefits the children is better than a check.
I totally agree. It's at the very top
of my list, as well. More importantly, I certainly hope it's at the top of Harriet Miers' list.
I can't believe you mentioned the Groene children!! I just talked with my daughter about that very case not five minutes ago, and I brought up Bill O'Reilly's campaign regarding this issue to her.
I don't care for Bill O'Reilly, but I do applaud his efforts in changing the sentencing, going from state to state and exposing judges who give out these ridiculous sentences. These people deserve life or worse.
I totally agree!
And when contraceptives are outlawed, as well, there will be more pregnancies than ever!
I totally agree.
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Yup; totally agree with you.
This is totally wacho...sm
To even put this idea together is wacho much less to make a Christmas greeting out of it. These people are so possesed by politics that they are willing to use Christ to get it.
Shaking my head in disgust. Pathetic.
I totally agree, but I
just wonder how true this really is. If a 4-year-old is navigating around on a computer and answering POLL questions, how interested is this 4-year-old going to be in BARBIE? Shouldn't she be studying for high school finals?
To me, that's totally understandable.
If anyone hurt any of my children, I'm not sure what I would do. If people can't count on the system to do its job, in my opinion, I don't blame them for taking the law into their own hands, and I believe they're justified.
I just wonder what a jury would do to such a parent. As messed up as the judicial system is, I could see the parent thrown in jail while all the other abusers run free. 
Totally agree!
Too bad you right wing whack jobs are selling it off to the highest bidder.
I totally agree.
Very well said. 
I agree totally. sm
And that's why I got banned. Go figure.
I totally agree. sm
And I don't believe I have ever asked those questions of any administration.
Also totally agree - sm
The bigger/biggest danger that our country faces is from those who opine without being informed.
I totally agree. nm
I totally agree - she really went over the top!!!...NM
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TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
NO DEMOCRAT in the white house!!
I totally agree!
I'm not an Obama fan but I just don't think I would want the support of such a racist person as Jesse Jackson especially since he wants to castarate him. Sheesh. Wouldn't it have been a hoot if Obama had put Jackson in his place. I sure wish someone would and maybe he would shut up for once. Activist my rear end....he is just a man out to make himself heard no matter what crap comes out of his mouth.
I truly don't know how Jackson could say he supports Obama but then say what he did. That isn't support.
I totally agree. nm
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