Nope, no Marxist, communists have ...
Posted By: TJ on 2008-09-02
In Reply to: Nothing wrong with his choice....and so far... - sam
come forward claiming that Palin is "a believer". But I have seen some articles that she is not as for reform in politics as she wants us to think. When she was elected mayor it seems that she fired the police chief because he didn't support her in the election. Also, she had asked the librarian about censoring books. I have read conflicting stories on whether that librarian was fired or not, but both articles mentioned she wanted books taken out of the library. Palin claims it was just "rhetoric". She also left the town with a huge amount of debt, I believe $20 mill. when she her mayoral duties were done. She also supposedly hired some lobbyists.
Before I get bashed about Obama's same-ole, same-ole, I am not disputing that fact either.
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They are socialist/Marxist. That has been the...
mantle of the DNC for years, growing steadily worse. They employ the Alinsky method...read up on it. Obama not only embraces it, he taught it.
It is built on class warfare. You find out what bothers people most, then you rabble rouse. Whatever that sore is, you make it more sore. And you blame whatever institution you are trying to take down. With Hitler it was Jews. With socialists it is "the rich." You make people think the cause of ALL their problems is either (Jews or big nasty corporations). Here it is big nasty corporations. They have fed people this for so many years they have bought into it. People actually think big evil corporations are the cause of everything bad that happens to them.
Saul Alinsky himself summed it up (paraphrasing): "It doesn't matter if it is true or not. It just matters if you can make them believe it."
Basically, in order to keep people voting for them, they have to keep people thinking that the big bad corporations are the cause of all the problems, and they say we are going to take from them and give to you and you have to do nothing to receive that other than keep voting for them. In recent years it has been changed to evil corporations and evil Republicans, and it is working, you see it demonstrated on this board every day. Most of these people really don't even know how corporations figure into our economy. They just know they're "evil." They hate a whole portion of society (Christians, conservatives, etc.) because they are "evil" and the cause of all their problems. Socialism 101. They have practiced it well...they have a lot of believers.
Marxist/socialist? Please. You are just being...sm
inflammatory. He is a liberal democrat, period. If I had called McCain a fascist would you not be insulted. Can we have some brains here? Next thing you will be calling him a communist. Good grief!
She did NOT say Obama was Marxist.
She said that he believed in redistribution of wealth (and he does, said so himself) and how is the NOT Marxist? All Biden had to do was explain how it was not Marxist.
As to people in the campaign saying she is a rogue diva...when those "people in the campaign" are named I would come closer to believing it. If they did, I don't give a darn, because I am glad she is not as "yes" person and has a mind of her own. We need MORE of that in Washington. Not someone who toes the party line, unlike Obama who is in lockstep with the DNC and George Soros.
Sam's Marxist dogma.
Ever heard of the progressive tax system...the one the US has ALWAYS had? That would be the same (regressive) tax system that redistributes wealth from top to bottom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States#History_of_progressivity_in_federal_income_tax
Check out the table here to see the history of progressive tax structure in the US and notice how much MORE of a percentage of tax the top income brackets have paid in the past as compared to what Obama is proposing. Pay special attention to the prevailing rates between 1932 and 1981.
The vast majority of US economists (81%) support this tax structure. Before income tax was enacted, Theodore Roosevelt (McCain's hero) strongly advocated for progressive tax. McCain has made no mention of repealing or changing its basic structure. Your Marxist arguments about Obama's tax proposals are embarrassingly ill-informed, especially in view of the fact that Obama simply wants to restore the top bracket tax rate that was in effect in 2000 when Bush assumed office (39.6%). That is hardly excessive, in view of US history which informs us that in the past, it has been as high as a whopping 94% and that same bracket rate ranged between 63% and 94% for 49 years (1932 to 1981) of the 95 years we have been paying income tax.
By your logic, we are already a socialist country, and we have had 7 socialist republican presidents. NOT.
That is why the Marxist message works with them...
let's take it from all those nasty people who are doing better than me (who incidentally worked hard to earn it) and don't make me do a thing to get it. Class warfare. Classic Marxism. Trouble is, they don't recognize it.
Well, actually he leans more Marxist than socialist...
I did not know that until I studied up on it. However...I have always said I do not agree with McCain on everything and this is certainly one of those things.
Because he's not a Marxist socialist for one thing....
lol.
Bush is a black liberationist Marxist, too.
So, let me get this straight. Obama is proposing a tax rebate funded by an oil company windfall profits tax. President Bush's economic stimulus checks were also tax rebates, but they were funded by tax payers. By the "logic" (and I use the term loosely) in your "all do respect" post below, wouldn't that qualify as redistribution of wealth and make Bush a black liberationist theological Marxist/Socialist? Please help me out with this.
The Bush redistribution of wealth is free market capitalism because it was funded by all of us, but Obama's similar policy scheme is black liberationist Marxist/Socialism because it redirects huge oil company profits back to the consumers who generate those profits for them in the first place? After all, we ALL pay for gas, too. So instead of energy cost relief for all of us, you think it is more appropriate for all that dough to be used to bankroll golden parachutes for oil company CEOs? If that's capitalism in its purest form, it sucks and I want no part of it. Sign me up for a little socialism. Maybe those black liberationist theologians are onto something after all.
It is not the tax that is the issue....and please read up on the Marxist ideal of re-
distribution of wealth. Not once during those 7 years was the money from those taxes redistributed to taxpayers in $1000 checks. The Marxist principle is the redistribution of wealth, which is exactly what Obama is proposing.
Obama - more Marxist/Socialist/Communist
connections:
After Iowa
Happy New Year and congratulations on a job well done. These have been trying times when the hyenas of war have again been turned loose on humanity by a greedy ruling class.
Now, beyond all the optimism I was capable of mustering, Mr. Obama won Iowa! He won in a political arena 95 percent white. It was a resounding defeat for the manipulations of the ultra-right and their right-liberal fellow travelers. Also it was a hard lesson for liberals who underestimated the political fury of the masses in these troubled times.
Obama’s victory was more than a progressive move; it was a dialectical leap ushering in a qualitatively new era of struggle. Marx once compared revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface. This is the old revolutionary “mole,” not only showing his traces on the surface but also breaking through.
The old pattern of politics as usual has been broken. It may not have happened as we expected it to happen but what matters is that it happened. The message is clear: we can and must defeat the ultra-right, by uniting the broadest possible coalition that will represent an overwhelming majority of the people in a new political dynamic. We must quickly shed yesterday’s political perspective and get in step with the march of events.
Frank Chapman (letter to Communist Party newspaper People’s Weekly World.)
Via e-mail
You can march in lock step with the Marxist...
socialist idea of "equal opportunity for all Americans" if you like. He was the member of a church for 20 years that preached black liberation theology. It is NOT about equal opporunity for ALL Americans. Programmed is right. Get with it? Not in this lifetime.
A BIG WELCOME TO FOUR YEARS OF SOCIALIST/MARXIST STATE
and his democrats. Just you wait
You're a good little communist/socialist/marxist in your rhetoric..nm
I'm not - NOPE.
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Nope...sm
The Billy part was childish but he was right on with his anti-war part of the debate.
Bill was the one who threw his nephew in there and tried to make it like he was being denigrated. Phil simply asked him would he let his children go fight in this war and that's when Bill threw a hissy fit about his nephew.
Remember the factor is a NO SPIN ZONE, but Bill was spinning.
Again, I'll give you the point Billy was childish. I guess that's why he said he would not have Phil back on the show.
Nope!
Nope.
Not overestimating your own ability to debate, be witty and intelligent either, unfortunately. Those insults are really lame. I mean they really are. I can't believe people let you get away with that.
Nope, cuz you are always
Nope I'm not
I'm defending a president who has the courage to do what is right.
God bless GWB. I'm glad he doesn't cower to lilly-livers like you.
Nope. Not a he. nm
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Nope.
My opinion is right. Everyone else is wrong.
Nope..........
If ACORN really was interested in oversight, they would have woke up the first time they were investigated and some of their "followers" indicted for crimes committed. They know this is going on because some of their own workers have spoken out and said they were coerced, threatened, etc., by ACORN heads to go out and do this, and ACORN did what they needed to do to make sure there was no one looking through these false registrations.
It's still happening, so you gonna sit there and tell me they STILL don't now it's going on?
Nope
Steal job...steal food......what's the difference. Apples=apples, oranges=oranges.
Nope, not mad at you, not at all.
not mad at anyone. Just stating a simple fact...I do not trust Obama and I do not respect him simply because he holds the office. He has to earn both. I do not think that any of the democrats here would do any less if McCain had won the election, and I do not think I would be seeing as many unity posts from democrats if McCain had won, which makes me doubt the sincerity.
However, that is not at issue. This is between the President elect and me...as I said, he is the master of his own destiny and my opinion of him going forward will be crafted by him and him alone...not by his followers or detractors.
:-)
Nope
I blame the repeal of Glass-Steagall, the passage of the Gramm-Leach-Biley Act for creating, in large part, the mess we are in today. Without those occurrences, there would not have been 80% of subprime mortages doled out by entities not covered by CRA.
Combine that with the Ponzi scheme of bundling derivatives, and it brings global economy to its knees.
Nope...(sm)
As pointed out I don't know how many times on this board...HE'S NOT THE PRESIDENT YET! I think that both parties would agree that it would send a very conflicting message were both Bush and Obama to attend. That is why he's not going.
Nope I can't
The posters on this board say it all. Some are so in love with the O, others worship the ground he walks on. I'm not putting everyone in the same boat, but for the most part if you read the posts it is a clear love/worship affair they have with the O. I won't categorize you in the same boat because you have shown some good thoughts to your posts, but others do not. And yes it is repulsive.
They do say love is blind and you sure can tell on this board.
I do like your saying though "Good grief gertie". :-)
Nope, she's right on. - nm
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Nope
Not buying it. I certainly can expect to raise my children as I see fit w/o the government coming into my home and taking over. I also can certainly expect, as all parents SHOULD, that the government would have certain regulations and laws about public internet access and pornography. I should NOT have to sit with my 17-year-old son in the library and hold his hand while he is on the computer doing research just because the government has decided that pornography is a God given right and all can see it. I certainly have a RIGHT to expect my government to provide decent public environments in such places as libraries for the good of our children. My parenting skills are my responsibility 100% yes I agree. However, the government has a RESPONSIBILITY to ensure our children are not exposed to this kind of stuff in places such as this. WHY?? Because there are freaks out there that think that anything is okay and they don't care about our children and as long as we have to live in this world with people like that, we should, as parents, be able to DEPEND on our government to keep our children safe and unexposed to trash like this. I mean hey, why dont we just get rid of R rated movies for kids under 17 and then why NOT let any kid of any age go into the adult video stores and do whatever they want. Why not just show porn shows on public TV? I mean, isnt it censorship NOT to allow a TV channel air whatever they want?
Nope yourself.
That's how it works, dear.
Nope....that's not what I said...(sm)
I insinuated that that is how we have evolved, into 2 main separate parties. No, I don't think we have to have 2 parties. One would be fine so long as decisions that are made are made in the best interest of the people. That's one thing I like about Obama, his willingness to work with the other side, regardless of whether or not they return the favor. However, quite frankly, the republican side of the equation is not doing very well. They have managed to stampede all over the constitution (founding father stuff, btw), take away rights, left us with a deficit when they started with a surplus (while they are calling us the spending party), and completely destroyed any credibility we had worldwide. What I see in the democratic party IS common sense.
Nope
My mother was a police officer who killed a man, but she didn't have an abortion, so I guess she is okay then right? What about my dad, grandfather and brother who killed people in the war? Are they okay too? Oh and my uncle who is a police officer, he shot and killed people. Is he okay? I mean a life is a life, right?
Nope.
But I still have my McCain/Palin sticker on my car.
Nope.......
The quran has many many many words said against (hate) Christians and Jews by Mohammed.
Quran 8:39 “So fight them (Arabic quran says murder them) until there is no more Fitnah (sanity; 'disbelief' [ of/to/by non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone".
This is speaking of Christians, Jews, and ANYONE who is not Muslim.
Sounds like love doesn't it?
Nope.....LOL.(sm)
The couple that just had the union would also have the same opportunity to practice whatever ceremony that applied to them, and just like the christians, would not be recognized legally without a union.
Look at it like this (and this is probably a bad analogy, but I'll try it anyway): Everyone has to go to high school (unions), but if they want to go that extra mile to excell they go to college (practice whatever religious beliefs).
And before you guys start, yes, I do know that not everyone goes to high school.
Nope, wrong again! SM
Wrong wrong wrong. That must make you...wrongle! A wrong person. Yassah!
Not true....nope.
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Nope we aren't
you can believe that but it just ain't so...
Nope. Not happy yet.
Most, if not all, of YOUR posts are incredibly tasteless, in addition to being rude, crude, offensive and frequently untrue. Yet, NO liberal has accused you of saying they aren't allowed to speak.
Incredibly tasteless = Not permitted to speak IN WHAT WAY?
Are you agreeing that the poster lied in saying that Army Mom was told she wasn't allowed to speak?
No, of course you're not doing that.
Never mind.
Nope, afraid we can't
as long as libs wan't to dig up dirt we'll continue throwing the mud you throw from your huge pig stye right back at ya...
Nope. Mohammed's. nm
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Nope, just a bad link. sm
It says it is corrupted or something like that. I didn't pay that much attention. It won't open though.
Huckabee...? Nope....
from defintion of facism: Fascist movements usually try to retain some supposedly healthy parts of the nation's existing political and social life, but they place more emphasis on creating a new society. In this way fascism is directly opposed to conservatism—the idea that it is best to avoid dramatic social and political change. Instead, fascist movements set out to create a new type of total culture in which values, politics, art, social norms, and economic activity are all part of a single organic national community.
With all due respect, that sounds much more like where liberals are heading than where conservatives are heading...?
Nope, exactly how I meant it
Pretty self explanatory.
Nope, just honest...get over it!
Nope...but I would like your opinion who...
slur an innocent 16-year-old girl in the name of politics. Personally, I think it reeks, but that is just me.
Nope, thrilled.
Most of the reasons you listed are reasons I would want her in office, including against gun control, against gay marriage, drilling in Alaska, and global warming. And who in the he!! cares what she named her kids. That's just petty. I think if the drive-bys and the dems are in such an uproar about this lady, she must have been the perfect choice.
Nope. Sam is so much smarter than you, which is
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Nope. NOTHING I have, in or out of my body,
YOUR 'god' is not necessarily MY God. My God does not happen to be a judgemental control-freak like your 'god' is.
Nope. Quite the opposite.
Nope, just accurate.
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