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Nope. NOTHING I have, in or out of my body,

Posted By: belongs to YOUR "god". on 2008-09-16
In Reply to: The fetus belongs to God, before and after... - I realize you don't believe that...nm

YOUR 'god' is not necessarily MY God. My God does not happen to be a judgemental control-freak like your 'god' is.


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Yes, it makes me feel better, my body is my body
and nobody can tell me what to do with my body or what is in my body till the 120th day!
And to 'sm' or 'm' or whatever she calls herself on this board, I wish the same she wished to 'abc' in her nasty reply 11/16/08.

And I have become VERY thick skinned
So if he knows your soul before you have a body, and the body he planned for that soul is killed (sm
Does he just give the same soul to a different body? Just curious how your beliefs work.
What about it? It ain't his body.
You think I'd carry a child for 9 months, give birth and then hand it over to the father - NOT! 
It's MY body, and always will be - before,
Go screw with your OWN body.
Body by Fisher?
Lawyers Spar Over Role of Religion in 'Intelligent Design' As Pa. Court Battle Over School Policy Opens
Like body armor?

There's only so much ignorance that a body can take
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No, I am not confusing the body with an 844-ft mountain top...
What I am referring to are the many cases where schools will have rules that ban crosses or any form of Christian expression, but allow Muslims/Sikhs to wear headscarves. The ACLU by and large will not take those cases even if asked. If situation reversed, they will sue on behalf of Muslims/sikhs without being asked.

Again...the first ammendment guarantees freedom of religion and the free expression thereof. The last 4 words mean as much as the first words.

The first ammendment prohibits the establishment of a state religion...like the church of England that required everyone to follow that religion. There is nothing in the constitution that uses the words separation of church and state. The founding fathers did not seperate Christianity from the government...it is interwoven in the founding documents, on our currency, on the walls of Congress. It is part of the American heritage. From the drive to come here for religious freedom came the drive to set out the other individual freedoms.

As I said, if people find sharing the gospel annoying a simple I am not interested works with most Christians. There is always a radical fringe associated with any religion...some more than others. There is a radical political fringe.

All I am saying is that Christians are discriminated against in this country. And the same people who will rise up and decry discrimination against Muslims, et al, will not rise up and decry the same discrimination against Christians. I would think civil liberties apply to ALL of us....

I said nothing about putting a cross on public ground...don't know why you went off on that tangent. :)
It's not for you to decide what a woman does with her body
Mind your own business. Keep your own legs closed when the rapist approaches.
If you're so worried about your body........
and you think so much of YOUR bodyl, at what point do you think about the body of an unborn child? Shouldn't you be worried about YOUR body before you get pregnant?

What about the freedom and rights of a living being that just happens to be carried in a womb? If you don't want a baby, then how about NOT getting pregnant in the first place? And please don't give me the garbage about "it happens", blah, blah, blah.....there's always a way to make sure it doesn't happen.
If you don't think our troops deserve BODY ARMOR

provided by the President who is all too eager to see them die but never had the guts to put is own life on the line for his country, then YOU are the one who doesn't care about our troops.


If I'm a joke, you're a disgrace and a fraud.


Troops die without body armor. Why the delay?





For Lack of Body Armor, Troops Die. Why the Delay?





Paul Rieckhoff on body armor in USA Today: Rieckhoff and other veterans are calling for a congressional investigation. That's justified. Tracking their complaints could save lives in future wars — not to mention this one.

 From USA Today

After Army and Marine Corps generals were summoned Wednesday to a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill, the brass emerged with vows to improve body armor for all U.S. troops in Iraq.


 That's good to hear, but shouldn't it have happened sooner?


 Members of Congress were reacting to a newly reported analysis by the Armed Forces Medical Examiner, which concluded that 80% of the fatal injuries to Marines in the study might have been prevented by additional armor coverage. Side armor, a special concern, is just beginning to arrive in Iraq.


 The armor situation fits a deadly pattern of blunders by the war's architects. The quick invasion of Iraq happened as planned, but — as former Iraq civilian administrator Paul Bremer acknowledges in his new book — the Bush administration didn't anticipate the widespread and lethal insurgency that followed.


 The occupying U.S. troops soon found themselves facing deadly new tactics with inadequate armor on both their vehicles and themselves. This tragic miscalculation has had tragic consequences.


 To date, 1,510 soldiers and 633 Marines have died in Iraq, many of them killed by rifle shots or explosions in which better armor could have made a difference.


 Army generals say the body armor used by soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan has already been improved seven times. All soldiers there have bullet-proof body vests called Interceptors, which have front-and-back ceramic plates. Side panels, which are added to the Interceptors to provide more coverage, are just now being distributed to Marines.


 Defending their body-armor decisions, Army spokesmen conjure up images of medieval combatants whose ever-heavier personal armor brought their horses to their knees. A soldier wrapped in armor can't fight in the heat of Iraq, they say.


 Maybe not, but the Pentagon owes further explanations to military families and to Congress, which since 2001 has appropriated $302 billion to cover operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Some of the questions that need answering include:


 • Was there proper planning? Thousands of troops arrived in Iraq with old-style flak jackets. Not until January 2004 did all troops have the new Interceptor vests, according to a Government Accountability Office report released last year.


 •Was the armor upgraded fast enough? The Marine Corps says it moved quickly to add side armor upon learning the news from the examiner's report. But the Army has yet to supply its soldiers with side protection.


 • Do the services have adequate supply systems? Those systems appear hobbled by slow turnarounds and poor reliability. In November, more than 18,000 vests were recalled for failing to meet ballistics tests.


 Army and Marine commanders know that no battle plan survives the first contact with the enemy. The question is how quickly the services adapt. The answer in Iraq is tooslowly, says Paul Rieckhoff, who led an Army platoon there protected only by the flak jackets, which can't stop an AK-47 round.


 The body armor delays mirror problems with the Humvee. Not until last July did the Army finally replace its soft-skinned Humvees, proven tragically vulnerable to roadside bombs, with a fully armored version.


 Rieckhoff and other veterans are calling for a congressional investigation. That's justified. Tracking their complaints could save lives in future wars — not to mention this one.



While a fetus remains a part of MY body, is sure
And it will never be yours, or anyone else's.


I just get tired of hearing "It's my body, I can
do what I want to with it."  I had a second child totally unplanned for and totally not expected (my first only being 7 months old when I got pregnant), but the thought of abortion never crossed my mind.  That baby was a human being, not just a fetus to me.  That child is now 26 years old and expecting her first child.  She has brought so much joy into my life that I can't even bear to think what it would be without her.  Had I chosen to abort her, I would have missed one of the greatest blessings I had ever been given.  It wasn't just my body that was involved.  The only choice I made was taking the risk for an unwanted pregnancy.  If I didn't want to be pregnant, I probably should have been more careful.  Now, I'm so happy that I wasn't very careful.  She is a beautiful young woman that I treasure dearly.
Well, I read the stench of body odor on the mall
was almost unbearable in places. Believe me, I live in a town where we have those persons who refused to bathe (don't know how bathing hurts the environment, but they think it does), and they are lovingly referred to as the great unwashed.  The radiology clinic where I worked at began to refuse to take them unless they washed...anyway these are always the ones who show up at the anti-Bush, anti-war rallies in our area.
So SP wrapping the flag around her body for a political photo op
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What about feeling the baby move inside your body? sm
So the baby I felt moving in my tummy at 20 weeks gestation wasn't alive?
Say it ain't so....Family Upset Over Soldier's Body Arriving As Freight..sm

I hope this family is able to effect a change in this. This would be something worth quitting your job and marching for change.  I'm heartbroken reading of the audacity of the military to ship a fallen soldier as freight.  This has to be a mistake. Pinch me I'm dreaming...Democrat. 


 


Family Upset Over Soldier's Body Arriving As Freight


Bodies Sent To Families On Commercial Airliners



POSTED: 4:46 pm PST December 9, 2005

UPDATED: 10:19 am PST December 12, 2005








There's controversy over how the military is transporting the bodies of service members killed overseas, 10News reported.

A local family said fallen soldiers and Marines deserve better and that one would think our war heroes are being transported with dignity, care and respect. It said one would think upon arrival in their hometowns they are greeted with honor. But unfortunately, the family said that is just not the case.

Dead heroes are supposed to come home with their coffins draped with the American flag -- greeted by a color guard.

But in reality, many are arriving as freight on commercial airliners -- stuffed in the belly of a plane with suitcases and other cargo.















John Holley and his wife, Stacey, were stunned when they found out the body of their only child, Matthew John Holley, who died in Iraq last month, would be arriving at Lindbergh Field as freight.

Matthew was a medic with the 101st Airborne unit and died on Nov. 15.

When someone dies in combat, they need to give them due respect they deserve for (the) sacrifice they made, said John Holley.

John and Stacey Holley, who were both in the Army, made some calls, and with the help of U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, Matthew was greeted with honor and respect.

Our familiarity with military protocol and things of that sort allowed us to kind of put our foot down -- we're not sure other parents have that same knowledge, said Stacey Holley.

The Holleys now want to make sure every fallen hero gets the proper welcome.

The bodies of dead service members arrive at Dover Air Force Base.

From that point, they are sent to their families on commercial airliners.

Reporters from 10News called the Defense Department for an explanation. A representative said she did not know why this is happening.



Army order soldiers to get rid of better body armor or lose death benefits
Army Orders Soldiers to Shed Dragon Skin or Lose SGLI Death Benefits

By Nathaniel R. Helms

Two deploying soldiers and a concerned mother reported Friday afternoon that the U.S. Army appears to be singling out soldiers who have purchased Pinnacle's Dragon Skin Body Armor for special treatment. The soldiers, who are currently staging for combat operations from a secret location, reported that their commander told them if they were wearing Pinnacle Dragon Skin and were killed their beneficiaries might not receive the death benefits from their $400,000 SGLI life insurance policies. The soldiers were ordered to leave their privately purchased body armor at home or face the possibility of both losing their life insurance benefit and facing disciplinary action.

The soldiers asked for anonymity because they are concerned they will face retaliation for going public with the Army's apparently new directive. At the sources' requests DefenseWatch has also agreed not to reveal the unit at which the incident occured for operational security reasons.

On Saturday morning a soldier affected by the order reported to DefenseWatch that the directive specified that all commercially available body armor was prohibited. The soldier said the order came down Friday morning from Headquarters, United States Special Operations Command (HQ, USSOCOM), located at MacDill Air Force Base, Florida. It arrived unexpectedly while his unit was preparing to deploy on combat operations. The soldier said the order was deeply disturbiing to many of the men who had used their own money to purchase Dragon Skin because it will affect both their mobility and ballistic protection.

We have to be able to move. It (Dragon Skin) is heavy, but it is made so we have mobility and the best ballistic protection out there. This is crazy. And they are threatening us with our benefits if we don't comply. he said.

The soldier reiterated Friday's reports that any soldier who refused to comply with the order and was subsequently killed in action could be denied the $400,000 death benefit provided by their SGLI life insurance policy as well as face disciplinary action.

As of this report Saturday morning the Army has not yet responded to a DefenseWatch inquiry.

Recently Dragon Skin became an item of contention between proponents of the Interceptor OTV body armor generally issued to all service members deploying in combat theaters and its growing legion of critics. Critics of the Interceptor OTV system say it is ineffective and inferior to Dragon Skin, as well as several other commercially available body armor systems on the market. Last week DefenseWatch released a secret Marine Corps report that determined that 80% of the 401 Marines killed in Iraq between April 2004 and June 2005 might have been saved if the Interceptor OTV body armor they were wearing was more effective. The Army has declined to comment on the report because doing so could aid the enemy, an Army spokesman has repeatedly said.

A U.S. Army spokesman was not available for comment at the time DW's original report (Friday - 1700 CST) was published. DefenseWatch continues to seek a response from the Army and will post one as soon as it becomes available. Yesterday the DoD released a news story through the Armed Forces News Service that quoted Maj. Gen. Steven Speaks, the Army's director of force development, who countered critical media reports by denying that the U.S. military is behind the curve in providing appropriate force protection gear for troops deployed to Iraq and elsewhere in the global war against terrorism. The New York Tiimes and Washington Post led the bandwagon of mainstream media that capitalized on DefenseWatch's release of the Marine Corps study. Both newspapers released the forensic information the Army and Marines are unwilling to discuss.

Those headlines entirely miss the point, Speaks said.

The effort to improve body armor has been a programmatic effort in the case of the Army that has gone on with great intensity for the last five months, he noted.

Speaks' assessment contradicts earlier Army, Marine and DoD statements that indicated as late as last week that the Army was certain there was nothing wrong with Interceptor OTV body armor and that it was and remains the best body armor in the world.

One of the soldiers who lost his coveted Dragon Skin is a veteran operator. He reported that his commander expressed deep regret upon issuing his orders directing him to leave his Dragon Skin body armor behind. The commander reportedly told his subordinates that he had no choice because the orders came from very high up and had to be enforced, the soldier said. Another soldier's story was corroborated by his mother, who helped defray the $6,000 cost of buying the Dragon Skin, she said.

The mother of the soldier, who hails from the Providence, Rhode Island area, said she helped pay for the Dragon Skin as a Christmas present because her son told her it was so much better than the Interceptor OTV they expected to be issued when arriving in country for a combat tour.

He didn't want to use that other stuff, she said. He told me that if anything happened to him I am supposed to raise hell.

At the time the orders were issued the two soldiers had already loaded their Dragon Skin body armor onto the pallets being used to air freight their gear into the operational theater, the soldiers said. They subsequently removed it pursuant to their orders.

Currently nine U.S. generals stationed in Afghanistan are reportedly wearing Pinnacle Dragon Skin body armor, according to company spokesman Paul Chopra. Chopra, a retired Army chief warrant officer and 20+-year pilot in the famed 160th Nightstalkers Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne), said his company was merely told the generals wanted to evaluate the body armor in a combat environment. Chopra said he did not know the names of the general officers wearing the Dragon Skin.

Pinnacle claims more than 3,000 soldiers and civilians stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan are wearing Dragon Skin body armor, Chopra said. Several months ago DefenseWatch began receiving anecdotal reports from individual soldiers that they were being forced to remove all non-issue gear while in theater, including Dragon Skin body armor, boots, and various kinds of non-issue ancillary equipment.

Last year the DoD, under severe pressure from Congress, authorized a one-time $1,000 reimbursement to soldiers who had purchased civilian equipment to supplement either inadequate or unavailable equipment they needed for combat operations. At the time there was no restriction on what the soldiers could buy as long as it was specifically intended to offer personal protection or further their mission capabilities while in theater.

I'm not - NOPE.
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Nope...sm
The Billy part was childish but he was right on with his anti-war part of the debate.

Bill was the one who threw his nephew in there and tried to make it like he was being denigrated. Phil simply asked him would he let his children go fight in this war and that's when Bill threw a hissy fit about his nephew.

Remember the factor is a NO SPIN ZONE, but Bill was spinning.

Again, I'll give you the point Billy was childish. I guess that's why he said he would not have Phil back on the show.
Nope!

Nope.
Not overestimating your own ability to debate, be witty and intelligent either, unfortunately.  Those insults are really lame.  I mean they really are.  I can't believe people let you get away with that.
Nope, cuz you are always

Nope I'm not

I'm defending a president who has the courage to do what is right.


God bless GWB.  I'm glad he doesn't cower to lilly-livers like you.


Nope. Not a he. nm
nm
Nope.
My opinion is right. Everyone else is wrong.
Nope..........
If ACORN really was interested in oversight, they would have woke up the first time they were investigated and some of their "followers" indicted for crimes committed. They know this is going on because some of their own workers have spoken out and said they were coerced, threatened, etc., by ACORN heads to go out and do this, and ACORN did what they needed to do to make sure there was no one looking through these false registrations.

It's still happening, so you gonna sit there and tell me they STILL don't now it's going on?
Nope
Steal job...steal food......what's the difference.  Apples=apples, oranges=oranges.
Nope, not mad at you, not at all.
not mad at anyone. Just stating a simple fact...I do not trust Obama and I do not respect him simply because he holds the office. He has to earn both. I do not think that any of the democrats here would do any less if McCain had won the election, and I do not think I would be seeing as many unity posts from democrats if McCain had won, which makes me doubt the sincerity.

However, that is not at issue. This is between the President elect and me...as I said, he is the master of his own destiny and my opinion of him going forward will be crafted by him and him alone...not by his followers or detractors.

:-)
Nope
I blame the repeal of Glass-Steagall, the passage of the Gramm-Leach-Biley Act for creating, in large part, the mess we are in today. Without those occurrences, there would not have been 80% of subprime mortages doled out by entities not covered by CRA.

Combine that with the Ponzi scheme of bundling derivatives, and it brings global economy to its knees.
Nope...(sm)
As pointed out I don't know how many times on this board...HE'S NOT THE PRESIDENT YET!  I think that both parties would agree that it would send a very conflicting message were both Bush and Obama to attend.  That is why he's not going.
Nope I can't
The posters on this board say it all. Some are so in love with the O, others worship the ground he walks on. I'm not putting everyone in the same boat, but for the most part if you read the posts it is a clear love/worship affair they have with the O. I won't categorize you in the same boat because you have shown some good thoughts to your posts, but others do not. And yes it is repulsive.

They do say love is blind and you sure can tell on this board.

I do like your saying though "Good grief gertie". :-)
Nope, she's right on. - nm
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Nope
Not buying it.  I certainly can expect to raise my children as I see fit w/o the government coming into my home and taking over.  I also can certainly expect, as all parents SHOULD, that the government would have certain regulations and laws about public internet access and pornography.  I should NOT have to sit with my 17-year-old son in the library and hold his hand while he is on the computer doing research just because the government has decided that pornography is a God given right and all can see it.  I certainly have a RIGHT to expect my government to provide decent public environments in such places as libraries for the good of our children.  My parenting skills are my responsibility 100% yes I agree.  However, the government has a RESPONSIBILITY to ensure our children are not exposed to this kind of stuff in places such as this.  WHY??   Because there are freaks out there that think that anything is okay and they don't care about our children and as long as we have to live in this world with people like that, we should, as parents, be able to DEPEND on our government to keep our children safe and unexposed to trash like this.  I mean hey, why dont we just get rid of R rated movies for kids under 17 and then why NOT let any kid of any age go into the adult video stores and do whatever they want.  Why not just show porn shows on public TV?  I mean, isnt it censorship NOT to allow a TV channel air whatever they want? 
Nope yourself.
That's how it works, dear.
Nope....that's not what I said...(sm)

I insinuated that that is how we have evolved, into 2 main separate parties.  No, I don't think we have to have 2 parties.  One would be fine so long as decisions that are made are made in the best interest of the people.  That's one thing I like about Obama, his willingness to work with the other side, regardless of whether or not they return the favor.  However, quite frankly, the republican side of the equation is not doing very well.  They have managed to stampede all over the constitution (founding father stuff, btw), take away rights, left us with a deficit when they started with a surplus (while they are calling us the spending party), and completely destroyed any credibility we had worldwide.  What I see in the democratic party IS common sense.


Nope
My mother was a police officer who killed a man, but she didn't have an abortion, so I guess she is okay then right?   What about my dad, grandfather and brother who killed people in the war?  Are they okay too?   Oh and my uncle who is a police officer, he shot and killed people.  Is he okay?   I mean a life is a life, right? 
Nope.
But I still have my McCain/Palin sticker on my car.
Nope.......
The quran has many many many words said against (hate) Christians and Jews by Mohammed.

Quran 8:39 “So fight them (Arabic quran says murder them) until there is no more Fitnah (sanity; 'disbelief' [ of/to/by non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone".

This is speaking of Christians, Jews, and ANYONE who is not Muslim.

Sounds like love doesn't it?

Nope.....LOL.(sm)

The couple that just had the union would also have the same opportunity to practice whatever ceremony that applied to them, and just like the christians, would not be recognized legally without a union.


Look at it like this (and this is probably a bad analogy, but I'll try it anyway):  Everyone has to go to high school (unions), but if they want to go that extra mile to excell they go to college (practice whatever religious beliefs).


And before you guys start, yes, I do know that not everyone goes to high school.


Nope, wrong again! SM
Wrong wrong wrong.  That must make you...wrongle!  A wrong person.  Yassah!
Not true....nope.
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Nope we aren't

you can believe that but it just ain't so...


Nope. Not happy yet.

Most, if not all, of YOUR posts are incredibly tasteless, in addition to being rude, crude, offensive and frequently untrue.  Yet, NO liberal has accused you of saying they aren't allowed to speak.


Incredibly tasteless = Not permitted to speak IN WHAT WAY?


Are you agreeing that the poster lied in saying that Army Mom was told she wasn't allowed to speak?


No, of course you're not doing that.


Never mind.


 


Nope, afraid we can't

as long as libs wan't to dig up dirt we'll continue throwing the mud you throw from your huge pig stye right back at ya... 



Nope. Mohammed's. nm
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Nope, just a bad link. sm
It says it is corrupted or something like that.  I didn't pay that much attention.  It won't open though. 
Huckabee...? Nope....
from defintion of facism: Fascist movements usually try to retain some supposedly healthy parts of the nation's existing political and social life, but they place more emphasis on creating a new society. In this way fascism is directly opposed to conservatism—the idea that it is best to avoid dramatic social and political change. Instead, fascist movements set out to create a new type of total culture in which values, politics, art, social norms, and economic activity are all part of a single organic national community.

With all due respect, that sounds much more like where liberals are heading than where conservatives are heading...?
Nope, exactly how I meant it
Pretty self explanatory.
Nope, just honest...get over it!