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O Changed it from mandatory Comm Serv requirement after the outcry

Posted By: see message on 2008-11-12
In Reply to: I am a democrat - shelly

MANDATED community service is not acceptable to me.

Florida has Bright Futures, a scholarship assistance program for State schools. This requires community service. My son did it, and may daughter will do it as well.
BUT it is VOLUNTARY .. you choose to do it or not ..

rewards for service, yes --

mandated, no way; kids will not get anything (or the vast majority anyway) if they are forced to do it ...

ps - I believe in Comm. Service and my kids both do it .. but because they want to do so.

Just my 2 center


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Link to Comm. ServiceChange

Here ya go ..found the link ...


http://www.infowars.com/?p=5852


Maybe it was a staffer who posted it wrong  -- maybe not .. but it apparently WAS there ...


Peace out


I think it should be a requirement
It is selfish and foolish to expect your community to provide for you without giving something back. If we want America to be better and the next generation to not be apathetic, then we must get involved and encourage our kids to do the same. Freedom is not free. Besides, the kids would get to pick what they want to do. Lots of organizations mandate service as part of their membership and its not as if any level of government has any money to provide these services anymore.
because it is a requirement --
he is still in charge of running this country. They go where he goes.
Is empathy really a requirement for

a Supreme Court Justice as the President wants to appoint?  The oath of office does'nt say anything about it, neither does the definition of the judiciary branch.  Here's the oath:


"I, [NAME], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as [TITLE] under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God."  
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/a/oaths_of_office_3.htm


And here's the definition of the judiciary branch:


The United States federal courts comprises the Judiciary Branch of government organized under the Constitution and laws of the federal government of the United States. 


The judiciary (also known as the judicial system or judicature) is the system of courts which interprets and applies the law in the name of the sovereign or state. The judiciary also provides a mechanism for the resolution of disputes. Under the doctrine of the separation of powers, the judiciary generally does not make law or enforce law, but rather interprets law and applies it to the facts of each case.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary


Nowhere do I find the word "empathy" in either the oath or the definition of the judiciary branch or description of the Supreme Court however, Obama is bound and determined to add "empathy" to his list of requirements of a Supreme Court Judge. 


Here's a good editorial (yes, I know it's from a conservative) about empathy vs the rule of law.  I found it quite interesting and expresses my viewpoint as well. 


I'm sure I'll get criticized for it, but I hope I won't get attacked.  I'm asking a legitimate question and would like to see legitimate answers.


 


No empathy is not a requirement
The requirement for a judge is a good sound knowledge of the constitution of this once great country...B.O. is making a mockery of this country so who ever voted for the change...I hope your happy with what you got..I darn sure am not but I didn't vote for the moron either..
That will be an "obama" requirement to getting
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I heard work requirement mentioned a long time ago - nm
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So don't let them. It is not mandatory.
before working yourself into a tizzy. I can't believe you would complain about people not reading when you are the one who apparently does not comprehend what it says on BO's website, or do you just read opposing propaganda without verifying its accuracy?
but if it were mandatory,
nm
Yes, we have had CD, but no it has never been MANDATORY.
Get the difference?

Remeber the draft?

Gee, that went over well, didn't it?
So if he did change it to not mandatory
I don't get the outrage. He did something that appeases his critics, but still they complain.
Obama’s Friends Working to Amend the Natural Born Citizen Requirement...

http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/28/obama-covertly-working-to-amend-the-natural-born-citizen-requirement/


MANDATORY HEALTH INSURANCE
You said it so well! It will bring everyone down too. What about more sliding scale clinics? We have one where I live and the care is quite good. They have patients from all income levels. Maybe we should give more tax breaks to those sliding scale clinics and encourage people with good insurance and lots of money to attend those clinics more often in order that others with less can afford decent care. I wish the Clintons would quit trying to force their health care ideas down our throats. Maybe they want us all to be socialists? By the way in case you have not guessed by now I am a Lifelong Republican, soon to be a right wing independent unless Fred or Duncan Hunter win. No one should be "forced" to get health insurance, especially one of the "crap" varieties that you mention in your post.
Brazoria county now mandatory.
nm
Abortion should be mandatory in a case like that

It is mandatory for graduation in our school

The key words are mandatory and require
This is not "volunteer". This is not "you get a choice". This is a requirement and you don't have a say.

Here is a statement about the Hitler youth's written by someone who lived under it:

School children were officially 'encouraged' to join by school teachers,
party members. parents, government etc.
It was a fun thing to do with marching, singing, drums, bugles, target
practice, summer encampments etc. Things a kid would love to do.
Members were selected for inclusion, those of doubtful ancestry were not
permitted to join, members were led to feel they were a of a select
group, the future of Germany
It was the right thing to do, there was little analytical divergent
outspoken opinion permitted or opposition to joining as there might well
be today, those that wouldn't join were suspect or at least viewed as
unpatriotic.
I can well understand the desire to join and those that did should not
be condemned.

Also, once you are part of this "civilian force" you will do as you are told. They may call it something to make you feel "patriotic", but it's just another branch of a different kind of military. Guess you could call it the Obama youths.
This should be mandatory Obama sheeple reading...nm
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required and mandatory if you want the $4000 for college - nm
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Mandatory evac all along Texas coast. I'm hearing lots.
I live in the path of Ike.  Mandatory evac supposedly is starting around 10 a.m.  I am trying to figure out whether I am staying home or hitting road.  Whenever they come up for breath in the middle of lipstick on pigs and McCains preverted add long enough to actually name the mandatory evacation towns/cities, I'd appreciate a heads up.   
Of course, this was all before 9/11, which, of course, changed everything. nm

He must have really changed
since the last time I watched his show then.  Hmmm.
What has changed? sm
Obama stated after a landslide victory in 2004 in his bid for Illinois senator that he didn't feel he had the experience to run on a national ticket in 2008. 

What has changed? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gexyfVpFMU
I see you changed your name.
Stop the dang bashing. This is not a board for spelling police.
yes, he changed the story

"just a bit" to better prove his point that she was a reformer.  Like his cross in the dirt story as a POW.  When he first told it, it happened to someone else.  It went over better when he changed it to first person. That is dangerous behavior.  We have been through 8 years of information manipulation.  Please no more.


 


He's changed his plan but yet again..
The McCain-Palin campaign has critized his tax plans as welfare, so Barack’s campaign has come back and tweaked it to add a work requirement. (They will materialize things out of thin air as needed to get elected.) This comes from the New Hampshire Union Leader in reply.


Glad to see not much has changed :)
politics as usual! :)
they have not changed the rules yet
Hedge funds are still doing sneak attacks on companies, driving them into the dirt.
Citigroup got hit today, down 23%. It is worth 6 bucks and one year ago was 40. They need to change the rules on these hedge funds. They can pick on any company and kill it in a day.
The constitution will most likely be changed for him.
nm
I never changed my moniker and always

posted inside my messages so my thoughts would not get lost. I take full credit for what I post and usually try to post anything of interest to others, so I don't care who knows my moniker. They can read or discard, but I will get my reasoning and/or thoughs/suggestions out there.


I've been bashed plenty of times prior to the election but I don't care. I still don't care who likes me or not. I get my thoughts out there and that's all that matters. I don't hide like some people on this board do, or change names. Running a post through the name part does no one any good except to tell everyone they don't want to use the comment part of the board. I usually bypass those.


I also suggest if anyone posts that they use (nm) or NM in their subject if they have nothing else to say. I spend a lot of time opening a message to find nothing underneath that post. To me that is waste of time.


I thought they changed it to anyone
making over 235,000 now.  I will have to look that up.
because the situation OVER THERE CHANGED,
Taliban in Pakistan is getting stronger!
Think and get more flexible.
they changed that $250K...
Now they're saying more like $200K and going lower. And let's just face it. 20 bucks or $200K, everybody is gonna pay more taxes.
Do you think men don't come back from all wars changed? SM

What war is worth fighting for?  Explain that to me.  During World War II, ten times the men that have died in Iraq in two years died in one day.  How many is too many?  What is worth fighting for?


So you think the genocidal Saddam changed
That's the real question here.  Have you listened to his tirades during his circus of a trial?  Anyone who believed Saddam changed from being mentally unstable genocidal megalomanic while still the dictator of Iraq has to be the most naive person on Earth.  Because he is demonstrating in court that he's still a megalomanic. The U.N. gave them adequate time to straighten up and fly right, and as you know the U.N. is having major corruption problems, so any agreements we have with them are shaky at best.  You are right on one statement.  The war in Iraq was wayyyy overdue. 
Maybe he changed his mind like Palin sm
changed her mind on the whole Bridge to Nowhere fiasco.  She makes a bid to-do about it in her speech, about how she shot it down or opposed it, but in the beginning she was all for it.  I guess she changed her mind like Biden changed his mind about McCain.  Or how the McCain's changed their mind on what was behind the adoption of their daughter.
Okay....then let's just say neither of them are liars. They just changed their minds.
I'll go with that. My entire point is that you can't really call one of them a liar and say the other just "changed his/her mind."
Looks like McCain changed his mind again. sm

In October 2007 McCain had the following to say, referring to Romney and Giuliani I believe, when they were all starting out in the Rep. nomination process.  I bolded the part he seemed to have changed his mind on.  I am sure if SP wasn't his running mate now he might feel the same way he did back them.


"I have had a strong and a long relationship on national security, I've been involved in every national crisis that this nation has faced since Beirut, I understand the issues, I understand and appreciate the enormity of the challenge we face from radical Islamic extremism.  I am prepared. I am prepared. I need no on-the-job training. I wasn't a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn't a governor for a short period of time."


has anyone changed Pres choice in
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Nope, I haven't changed. s/m

I will be voting AGAINST McCain or for Obama whichever way you want to look at it.  As I have listened carefully to Obama, particularly on his infomercial, I find that I like him more and believe in him more.  I still have a problem with  his church but then I guess there is still Congress and there is STILL the people who can put pressure on Congress if need be.


What I said was that I COULD change my mind, let's say if Obama pulled a really big boner (doubtful)  between now or Tuesday or McCain said something that convinced me he was the better of the candidates.  I don't expect either to happen.  I don't know if the people voting for McCain have heard different speaches by him and Palin and I've been out in lala land or what but all I have heard them do is talk about what Obama is going to do and not do, scare tactics,  nothing about their plans. In other words the whole McCain campaign has been about trashing Obama.  I think that Obama has handled all the trashing very professionally and has looked quite presidential.


Okay - I agree that the site has been changed; however -
I think the first time it was posted, someone just did not put all the information there by mistake. You can see by the links I posted below that it was never the intent to make it mandatory for everyone, but mandatory in order to receive the college credit of $4000.

We are all transcriptionists and we all know how easy it is to make mistakes while typing - somebody just left out part of what they were supposed to type there.
Unfortunately changed started 8 years ago. n/m
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Yes.....changed the subject from Obama.......sm
to anchor babies growing up to be president. And didn't I say that I would help you rant and rail over it when the time comes?

If a person is born on US soil, they are considered a US natural born citizen unless they choose to denounce it. They are therefore "endowned with certain inalienable rights" one of them being citizenship.
That is correct.... it can be edited and changed by
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We haven't changed the rules at all. To what are you referring?
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yeah well America's morals have changed
interracial marriages used to be illegal. One day we ill look upon the ban against gay marriage to be as rediculous of a notion as not allowing blacks to go to school with whites. The times, they are a changin!
This is the year 2008 - times have changed
So you think that because you work at home that's the way it should be for everyone. Sorry but this is the year 2008. I for one am glad that woman are out working in society/public. I'm glad that a mother can also be a govenor or senator or anything they want to be. My working at home is my choice. Thank goodness we as woman have that choice. And thanks to people like Sarah Palin it can only get better for us.
You changed your mind? your opinion from yesterday....sm
My, you are all over the board sometimes....

http://forum.mtstars.com/misc/v/11/33417.html
Changed my mind, wanta hear what I did?

First, husband went to bed.  I'm watching SNL and dying  laughing but can't stand commercials.  Now that that is out of the way.


With that out of the way.........as for the face scratching...I dunno.  Once I was addressing a rather respected, dignified person and being a person who can't talk without my hands, I realized instead of using my index finger for my emphasis, I was using my middle finger.  I wasn't flipping him off but I'm surprised he didn't write me off.  One of my most embarrassing moments.


Back to SNL at least until the next commercial


FYI - her original post didn't contain *****, it was changed
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And if you notice it also says he changed his site and took the words out...

and I tend to believe the word require was actually there. 


UPDATE II: Oopsie. Change-O, Government-O drops the word "require" from their vocabulary in Obama's Change.gov website on "voluntary service" for Obama's new "Youth Corps" program.

Right.

UPDATE III: Obama forgot to remove "require" in one of his Change.gov website on service requirement,