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OMG, unbelievable. People near retirement age..sm

Posted By: thanks on 2009-03-26
In Reply to: Did you hear what he said about OFFSHORING? - UNBELIEVABLE

expected to get a higher education to keep a job. No way. How could a person even afford it, and once you graduated, you'd be too old and couldn't find a job. He addressed this in an awful way IMHO.


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People near retirement age will be put out on the
ice floe to die.  But since out country is a little short of ice floes, those who have reached the end of their 'productive lives' will be denied medical care and allowed to seek whatever undignified death seems appropriate to them.  Adapt or die.  Next question?
Retirement Age
Am I missing some bigger picture? I'm serious with that question.

Last night Barrack mentioned how he's against the raising of the retirement age. Hillary didn't really speak to it, but I got the impression that she also doesn't want to see that happen. Is there some reason other than AARPs very powerful lobby? I mean, in the 60's, the average life expectancy was about 70 years, now it's close to 78. Why shouldn't retirement age be raised? We are not only living longer, but we're living healthy longer. I do realize that not all will remain healthy, but for those there is disability also.

SS is in so much trouble, it just seems to me to be a no brainer that by raising the retirement age, even by just a couple of years, some of those problems can be lessened.

Thank goodness my DH and I took all of our retirement
and investments out of the market about 6 weeks ago, had a feeling something was coming.
I am a PT MT receiving my retirement
social security benefits. Here is what the letter I received from the SSA stated:

On February 17, 2009, President Obama signed into law the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. Among its provisions are one-time payments to Social Security and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) beneficiaries, as well as funding to help the agency address critical needs.

One-Time Payments of $250 For Social Security and SSI Beneficiaries

Nearly 55 million people who receive Social Security and SSI benefits will get a special one-time payment of $250. They should receive the one-time payment by late May 2009.

401K/retirement fund

You can't "take" your pension and 401K out of the stock market if you are not retirement age.  We are stuck with whatever the companies we work for invest in. my husband and I have some choices about where we invest our 401K but they all involve mutual funds, stocks, bonds, etc.


 


No, my wages and retirement have only gone down last two years of

The paragraph about early retirement

That's where DH is. Forced to retire because of no work (road construction). The stimulus money went to 2 cities in my state. The rest of the state got nothing towards road construction or very little.


We didn't get last year's stimulus check because we owed taxes and they put the money towards that. Now he's getting screwed out of the $250 because he wasn't retired when this happened. Never fails.


Remember that cartoon of the guy always under the grey cloud? That's us.


The "Smith-&-Wesson Retirement Plan". - sm


Aaaagggggg!!!!  I know, I shouldn't of done it.  But I just HAD to take a peek.  And what I saw was almost too depressing for mere words to describe. 


So, this afternoon I logged on to my 401K, just to see how the poor thing has been faring these past coupla weeks.  It started hemorrhaging pretty badly a couple of months back, lost first 1/4, and then about 1/3 of its value.   But oh, my GOD..... today it's down just a few dollars shy of being only HALF it's former value.  A mere shadow of its former self.  Now there's not even enough money left in it to buy a decent used car.


I guess now there's only one thing left to do when we reach a point in our lives when we can no longer work, and need to retire.  That would involve a gun and a single bullet. Well, mabe 2 bullets.  (My aim is pretty bad.....)


Social Security is a retirement "insurance" sm
as with any insurance you usally do draw more than you pay in! If you have a (for example) $250,000 life insurance policy, do you think you are going to pay in $250,000 for it?

All this complaining about people drawing SS but I tell you if you are paying in and happen to have a catastrophic illness and have to draw disability benefits, you will be glad you paid in.
Exxon CEO's retirement package and talks of reform..sm


 


Senator rips ex Exxon CEO's retirement package






By Tom Doggett Tue Apr 18, 4:53 PM ET



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Amid record oil prices and soaring gasoline costs, Exxon Mobil's $400 million retirement package to its former CEO is a shameful display of greed that should be reviewed by Congress and investigated by federal regulators, Democratic Sen. Byron Dorgan (news, bio, voting record) said on Tuesday.








Dorgan said he wants Exxon Mobil officials to appear at a Senate Commerce Committee hearing to explain how the corporation justifies giving its former boss, Lee Raymond, such a huge retirement package.


He also said the

Securities and Exchange Commission should investigate the deal that appears to shortchange shareholders.


There can be no more compelling evidence that the price gouging and market manipulation which has produced record oil prices is out of control, and is working to serve the forces of individual greed and corporate gluttony at the painful expense of millions of American consumers, Dorgan said.


Dorgan's criticism of Raymond's financial package came on the same day that U.S. crude oil prices hit a record high of more than $71 a barrel at the New York Mercantile Exchange.


Higher crude oil prices are helping to push of up gasoline costs. The Energy Department reported prices jumped 10 cents over the last week to a national average of $2.78 a gallon, up 55 cents from a year ago.



President George W. Bush said on Tuesday he was concerned about the impact high gasoline prices were having on families and businesses.


Exxon earned the wrath of many lawmakers when it reported more than $36 billion in profits last year as energy prices paid by consumers soared.


Dorgan said he will push to win passage of his legislation that would impose a windfall profits tax on big oil companies and rebate that money to consumers, unless the companies used their earnings to explore for and produce more energy.


I think a sensible public policy would insist that the big oil companies either invest those windfall profits in things that will increase our own domestic energy supplies, or we should return some of that money to consumers, Dorgan said.


Using them to drop $400 million dollars in the pocket of a big oil executive is simply unacceptable, he added.


Exxon Mobil has defended Raymond's retirement package, saying it was pegged to the rise in the company's profit and market capitalization that occurred during his tenure.


Dems Target Private Retirement Accounts
More control coming?  Thanks, but no thanks.  I have a brain and like to think for myself.  See link below.
Sandra Day O'Connor announced her retirement today. How ironic.

On a weekend when we are all preparing to celebrate our independence, some of us can get ready to kiss that very same independence goodbye.


If Bush stays true to his "base" and the Democrats are unsuccessful in what I hope will be a very aggressive filibuster (if the candidate does turn out to be someone who is unwilling to substitute the Constitution for the Bible), we will have conservatives chipping away at our independence: controlling our lives, our deaths, defining which God is "politically correct," who people with the "wrong" orientation are "allowed" to love, etc., etc., etc.


I wonder how much "independence" we will have left to celebrate on July 4, 2006.


Unbelievable. SM
So does being a progressive mean that you give America credit for nothing?  Are you a Marxist?  40 million Jews included those detained in death camps who survived and those forced to leave the country or otherwise affected by Hitler's extermination process.   But you would have to know history to know that.
Unbelievable!
With some help again from Diebold, she seems to have the moral fiber and economic policies required to become the next neocon President!
here's another one.....unbelievable!!...sm

this one is more recent, 2 days ago...other one was 3 days ago...


http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=71759&videoChannel=1


Unbelievable. LOL.....
Any thread is a conversation and anyone can respond. You are the one who got all bent with the "was I talking to you?" comment.

Speaking of intolerance...LOL.

If it is so boring, why do you respond? Probably because nobody but me will even engage you, in the "real world" or in this virtual one. How sad....LOL
You are unbelievable. I'm done with you.

You can't carry on a civilized conversation or bring any important information into debates.  You are nothing but a troll.


UNBELIEVABLE!!

Democrats put an earmark in the bailout bill for ACORN....


***Edited by Moderator***


URLs or links only, please...no copy/paste of copyrighted materials.


 


http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809140383


unbelievable
use your head. blood and guts wouldn't be on wall street. it would be in our backyards. Did you ever hear of 1929? Know how many people lost everything? It wasn't the wall street guys, it was the people who worked and saved. they stood in bread lines. they used newspaper for the soles of their shoes. Know how many people commit suicide? This would be the same thing all over again. Geez, think it through before you wish for something to reckless.
Unbelievable.....

http://84rules.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/crony-capitalism-is-root-cause-of-fannie-and-freddie-troubles-democrats-at-the-center-of-it-all/


With this out there, plus video of Frank opposing reform, Pelosi gets up and thanks Frank and Emanuel for their intellect in dealing with this situation.  If it weren't so pathetic it would be funny.


Now saying Repubs did not vote for it because their feelings were hurt and they were "punishing the country."  And said...are you ready for this:  "We have the votes to pass it but it would not be right if it was a Democratic majority.  That would not be good for the country."  HUH?  lol.  Translated:  If it goes south we don't want to be the only ones to blame.  Yeah, that is really putting country first.


I am so disgusted, not with all democrats, but certainly all the ones on the hill.  I wouldn't vote for a Democrat for congress this time around, period.


Unbelievable is all I can say, nm
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Unbelievable
The posters below have so much hatred towards Palin they'll excuse an abusive cop!

Oh and I'm sure your all okay with the voter fraud being commited by the democrats too!

Unbelievable!

It's absurd drivel like this that will lead to something catastrophic happening to President Obama, who happens to be a CHRISTIAN!


Unbelievable!

First you guys say he shouldn't do anything because he's not in charge yet.  Then, when he does do something you do nothing but post articles and sayings from Fox news and right-wing conservatives.  (In case you haven't noticed they are turning on each other right now and really have no room to talk about anyone else.)


The 2 posts below in particular that caught my attention were the "drill, drill, drill" post and the reference to adding onto the deficit.


1.  Drill, drill, drill.  If you want jobs NOW, as you posted, you might want to look somewhere else.  Just how long do you think it takes to get an oil rig flowing?  LOL. 


2.  Deficit.  Would that be the same deficit that your beloved Bush gave us as a parting gift? 


And then there's the not so insightful article that was posted basically saying this would be the Clinton administration again.  You may want to wait on the criticism until you hear what he does instead of using speculation.  And oh yeah, would that be the same Clinton administration that left us with a surplus before Bush got in there?


Unbelievable.......
please take the time to read the post from "no one is coming" above and you might understand before you go into a tizzy.
What IS unbelievable
These same people heralding this as a wonderful thing are the same people if, they were forced to participate in a religious ceremony (or "religious voodoo") with which they strongly disagree, would be the first to scream how their rights are being violated!

What hypocrites!


Unbelievable is all I can say, keep twisting
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Unbelievable is all I can say, Everyone so quick to...sm
believe and condem. Does not anyone know that what you read on the internet is not gospel? I have not heard a thing on the national news, so I will wait and see.
Unbelivable. Truly unbelievable.
You have a strong opinion on Michael Moore but no opinion at all on Phelps and WBC. Oh wait, you think he has a bishop at all and that his congregation will object to his teachings?

Oh wait, I understand now. You responded to the OP regarding your dislike for MM, but you know nothing about WBC or Phelps. You think that this is a hatchet job by Moore on a church and is, as such, untruthful.
Unbelievable! Drug dealers (sm)

There was a drug bust in my area overnight. One form of heroin being sold was stamped "Obama 09" !


Good heavens! Now they're even rooting for him. I have never heard of anything like this before.


Unbelievable, ignorance abounds. nm
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Unbelievable that there are no responses to this post.. All I can say is...sm
this is so true. In my opinion, people voting for the republican ticket are either right wing religious voters, rich voters, poor under-educated voters who are easily led, bigots who would never vote for a black man, or people who for whatever reason buy into the terrorist, Muslim, anti-American, anti-Christ, foreigner, not like us scare tactics that abound.

I find it unbelievable that they keep bringing this up.

It only makes things worse, not better. The anger it causes with "outsiders" coming to that small town does not do any good. Let the people of that town alone. They're doing okay without outsiders stirring up trouble.


I'm not just talking about that town. It happens all over the USA. These groups get together and go to a town just to stir up trouble. I've seen it happen again and again. They have no right sticking their noses in where it doesn't belong. Let them protest in their own towns.


The KKK does this all the time, too. They don't get the press, though, and they shouldn't be sticking their noses in where it doesn't belong, either.


I agree completely. Unbelievable.

This person either didn't even watch the clip and is completely unaware of Phelps and his "activities" or simply silently condones the heinous things he does.  I particularly despise Phelps' uninvited attendance at the funerals of American soldiers and his "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" motto.


I would be this person posted himself/herself blue to blast Rev. Wright, but this Phelps moron is okay.


Unfortunately, it says a lot about some people who post on this board. 


Unbelievable! I posted an article disputing everything you said.

Now who am I going to believe?


A newspaper (that you admittedly don't LIKE) or YOU, who obviously knows more than I would ever want to know about skinheads?  You (and your party of lies and deceit) don't have an ounce of credibility, and I'd believe the NYT any day over the ignorant, bigoted, hateful likes of YOU!


In case you haven't noticed, there is a huge controversy over rape and murder of civilian Iraqis.  It certainly makes sense that a neo-nazi skinhead group would carry out these kind of brutal acts with no conscience and without thinking twice. 


Your beloved skinheads are making the rest of our very FINE military look bad, yet you defend these filthy subhumanoids. 


I'm not surprised that you're angry because apparently what was supposed to be a big secret is now being publicized.  I'm also not surprised that you're defending them.  I fully expected some from the other board to reveal their true selves when I posted the article.


You're repulsive.  Go crawl back under the rock you slithered out of.  You're leaving a disgusting slime trail. YUCK! 


This will be my last post to you.  I don't deal with hateful bigots.


I emailed the moderator and why are you being so cruel? unbelievable
Ever think you might hurt a person's feelings? Or you simply do not care?
Unbelievable - Individual cities are now asking for money from the bailout -

What do ya'll think about this?  I cannot believe it.  The bailout was bad enough when it was to keep the banks from failing which was going to ruin us all, but now these individual cities are asking for money for things such as mass transit improvements, expansion of clean technology businesses, to fund long-neglected infrastructure, more police, upgrades to airport terminals and runways, upgrades to wastewater treatment plants, etc.


Where is it going to end?  What happened to all the taxes people have been paying in for years anyway?  Why was it not being used for those things all along?  And why should I in Georgia have to pay to give people in other states money to fix things?  Alaskans are not giving me part of that money they get every year from their oil...  Maybe that is selfish - but if they continue to take and take from me, then what I am supposed to do? 


So you and your daughter have no problem with people who wish for people and their children sm
to burn in hell, call people's children ugly, etc. etc.  Well, you might not BE gt, but you might as well be.  Even the liberals don't agree with gt, or hadn't you noticed?  You might want to check that out and while you are at it, the conservative board has been a regular play pen since the liberals stopped their hateful dive bombing.  In fact, some really good conversations are taking place over there between both sides, which DOES NOT happen on this site. 
Bored people are BORING people.
nm
Is that how your people justify killing people?

So then you only like to where people who say what you believe have to say.

Pretty sad.  At least the consevatives here weather the storms and stay.  That pretty much says a lot about you and them, too.  It's sure not like you guys never took pot shots over there. Of course, I am sure it wasn't YOU. Right.


gee, 100,000 people vs. 400 people
100,000 = anti-war protesters
400 = anti-anti-war protesters

Statistics from today's White House rally.

Now shoo, run along home now back to your hole or cave or whatever you crawled out of.
I consider the people..
and programs I mentioned fair and balanced. Meet the Press, Hardball, Tyler Carlson on CNN, Face The Nation. They said that they would not accept Drudge as reliable information, not I although I don't but my opinion carries less weight than that of those mentioned above.
100 people
This was a SMALL gathering, and as stated above, Jews tend to support abortion rights more than any other group (15-20%). So this small group hardly speaks for the majority of the Jewish Community.
She has none of those people that we know of ... sm

She just got announced.  I am not saying that there is anything in her background, but it is early and I am sure if there is one iota of a person in her background then we will here about it.  For this whole experience thing, what have we got in the past 8 years and the past 8 before that with all of the so-called experience the Rep. think we need. 


Why are we still bring up Rev. Wright?  Can't we just move past that?  We've heard it all. 


Sorry, people....
The blame for the way Katrina was handled lays completely with the democratic Louisiana governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the democratic New Orleans mayor, Ray Nagin.

They didn't follow the protocol for disasters.

However, now Bobby Jinda, Republican governor, is in charge, and he is handling things the way they should have been back then.....


Why are people so

focused on outward appearances?  It is a person's heart that shows true beauty......not their face.  A face can change over time, but a pure heart remains and that is what is important.


Are these the same people
who can afford their cigarettes and beer?
people should have been more
people make financial mistakes... perhaps some people wouldn't be hurting so badly right now if they had been living within their financial means to begin with.
Why can't more people see that?
My husband has been saying that same thing for the past few years. I am so sick and tired of working so hard to make a good life for my family, only to have *big government* take half of my money to give to people who won't lift a finger and want government to take care of them. It just makes me sick! I don't know why so many people are so blind to this.
some people say

is the line Hannity uses to introduce such wild statements without accepting responsibility for stating them.  The post says the GROUP endosed McCain -- did not libel McCain.  Simply an example of how people are willing to run with any statement that supports their beliefs against a candidate.