Please STOP! The arguing back and forth about what you would do (sm)
Posted By: MeMT on 2008-11-03
In Reply to: sorry, my little brain got confused by all the - questions you asked -- sm
is so disrespectful. Please just drop that subject. You have no idea what you would really do in his situation. I am voting for McCain, but I can still have respect for others.
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A lot of this arguing back and forth seems futile
when it is the undecided people who will probably count. If you are republican you vote McCain, democrat Obama. I could never understand why we always end up to only 2 candidates. How is that any kind of progress. Shouldn't there be 2 or 3 nominees from each party. Could that be worse than what we have now?
Then STOP going back and forth!
No one is asking you to or even cares!
Stop bringing back memories.
Spam, powdered milk (hated it), that awful yellow cheese (yuk), oatmeal for breakfast every day for a year, but we ate it. No choice. Took me 30 years to be able to eat oatmeal.
DH's parents used to get canned beef. Don't know how they got that. We never did. He liked it.
I will not stop trying to stop the slaughter of the unborn in this country...
I never said you were a stupid wretch. What I said was, if you can watch that video below and not feel something, your heart must be seared over. If you can watch that video and advocate what you advocate, yes, I'm sorry, I find that cold. I am entitled to my opinion and all your ranting and name calling and belitting is not going to change that. Someone needs to speak for the child. You certainly aren't allowing it any rights, including the right to live. You are okay with that, I'm not.
Arguing with a know-it-all...nm
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I believe she's arguing for something .....
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No use arguing. You have your
opinion and I have mine. Sorry but I heard it directly from McCain's own mouth that he would stay in Iraq 100 years if that's what it took? If that's what it took for what? The region has never been "stable" and it isn't going to be stable now. The people don't want us there. If they want freedom let them fight for it themselves. Read much about the American Revolution lately? This war was and is about oil. Wasn't Bush cronies with Sadam? As well as Cheney? Maybe even McCain?
No use arguing
we've been over this about 100 times and I'm not even going to waste my time.
I'm done arguing with you.
If you cannot see the massive difference between the RELIGION of Islam and the FAITH of Christianity, well then we don't even have a basis for discussion.
I pointed out that they are anti-gay to point out the fact that instead of FORGIVENESS, which the ONE TRUE GOD gives, they offer death. Where Jesus came to sacrifice Himself for atonement for us (who didn't deserve it), Muslims must work their entire lives to try to appease Allah by works alone. Where Jesus commanded us to love our enemies, Allah commands Muslims to kill theirs. Where our God tells us "thou shalt not lie" Allah tells Muslims it's okay to lie in order to further their religion.
That's just the beginning. I could go all night.
Oh one more thing. The founder of Islam's bones can still be found to this day. The founder of Christianity's bones cannot be found. Why? He was resurrected. No other religion even claims the resurrection of their god or founder. Why? Because their god, gods or founder cannot conquer death. If their god cannot conquer death, then how can he/she/them/it offer anything after this life to them?
It is not hypocritical to proclaim truth. Truth is not relative, as most postmodernist want to claim. The statement "truth is relative" in itself destroys the statement, for if truth is relative, then that means that statement cannot actually be true all the time, which means truth is not always relative. So the cop-out saying "what's true for you isn't true for me" is also a fallacy.
I don't understand you or those in line with you. If I only agreed with half the Bible, or changed it to be more politically correct, you all would point out that I am not a devoted Christian. But if I follow the Bible completely (at least try to) then I am close-minded, hypocritical, etc. It's d@mned if I do, d@mned if I don't. God commands Christian's to fight for what is TRUTH and to hold His Word above even the law of the land. We are told to go and tell, not to keep our faith to ourselves. We do as we are commanded and get bashed for it. But that's okay, because we were already told that would happen.
The only reason the USA has been such a great nation is because God was behind it. It USED to be a Christian nation. But I believe God is getting pretty fed up with the nation as a whole and will soon remove His protection from it, if He hasn't already. Our nation has become so arrogant as to believe that God is not involved or needed here, so I believe, being the gentleman He is, that He has stepped out, and that's why everywhere you look we are having problems and we are quickly going down the tubes.
That's all I can say on the subject. You obviously already have your mind made up about what Christianity is, so there is no use trying to discuss it any further.
No point in arguing with you though. So your
I suppose your comments will not bother me if I do not try to argue/respond, so I no longer will. Easy solution. It's not that I don't think you have some relatively reasonable views on providing health care to kids, you just aren't willing to have your taxes raised to provide that care, and that is your personal feeling. I could come up with some great solutions too, but the fact is that you and I are not a part of Congress, and any hypothetical solutions we come up with are going to do nothing to cover the families that could benefit from the S-SCHIP right now, which is when these families need help - right now. I will gladly support any bill that is designed to ease medical costs for any family. I will gladly have my taxes raised if it means children and families making middle-income wages suffer less.
So you can respond to this if you want, but I will no longer respond to any of your posts.
Sam is officially arguing with herself.
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Looks like you want to keep arguing on a subject that's old and done with
We don't need to keep going over issues on abortion. We all know what abortion is. I started reading your post and didn't know if you were trying to give us a medical course on "what to expect when your expecting" or if you were preaching to us from a religious standpoint. This issue was discussed and debated and argued over extensively below. It looks like you were'nt satisfied and want to argue some more - and from what it sounds like from others this has just bored all of us to sleep. I thought the political board was for political discussions, not pregnancy lessons or religious beliefs about when a fetus actually becomes a human being.
Move on...too many other topics to discuss. BTW, no need to shout at us with your headline.
I wasn't arguing!
All I was saying to Stardust was that Obama has said the same thing Mccain has. She is the one who said that we needed to "check our facts" before saying something about Obama because Mccain had said that he was going to be president. I was just pointing out and providing proof that Obama has said the same thing on multiple occasions, meaning I was pointing out that there IS NO ARGUMENT on this issue because BOTH CANDIDATES have said "WHEN I AM PRESIDENT" or something along those lines.
If I didn't like arguing with you...(sm)
I wouldn't have responded...ROFL. I enjoy engaging you, and several others on here (most with opposite views from mine -- go figure) as the conversation is always stimulating and thought provoking. Yeah, we need to have this discussion on the faith board....LOL.
There is no arguing with that kind of logic.
Alex Jones is not a physicist or a structuralist, I presume. The people who built the WTC explained how the extreme heat from the jet fuel caused the buildings to topple. There is no use arguing this with you. You have chosen to believe it and there you have it.
I'm really not interested in arguing the point...sm
Of who is worst because you are right they all were wrong. I just don't understand why when someone does something wrong people expect you to not say anything about it because *others* have committed similar crimes in the past and got away with it. And??
I understand being upset about Studd and even Clinton if you feel that strongly about it, but don't expect business as usual when a scandal like this hits the fan. People are going to talk about it. 23 years ago when Studd was having his affair I was in grade school so excuse me for first not knowing what you were talking about (until I researched it) and second not seeing the relevance of it in the case of Foley. I'm sure there was outrage for what Studd did too. Now upon learning about Studd and his (I can't say that here), I even said I do not know how or why the people continued to vote him in and yeah he should have had the decency to step down. Sorry you think I'm being partisan - NO far from it. I am always disgusted with people who prey on children, birth to the day before they turn 18, sexually.
Oh and don't expect me or anyone else to think Foley is some stand up type of guy because he stepped down AFTER GETTING CAUGHT, mind you. Had he not been caught he would still be IM'ing children.
Yeah Clinton was wrong for lying under oath. He should have told the truth and apologized *to his wife*. It's not like it is illegal to have an extramarital affair.
Like you said, they are all morally wrong, but I tend to be more disgusted with child predators. It doesn't matter if you agree with me (there are plenty of people who do). We'll just have to agree to disagree.
One point you didn't bring up was Foley's job responsibility. That makes it a little more eerie. Are people not supposed to be disappointed that this is who we have in charge of protecting our children?
I'm not arguing this anymore, it's pointless
but your last argument hit me. If abortion was made illegal and I got pregnant and carrying that baby was going to kill me - then someone would have the power to choose whether I live or die - the people who chose to make abortion illegal.
And before anyone argues that abortion would be allowed in those cases, who would get to decide? The courts? By the time the case went through the sluggish system, it could be too late.
This debate has no winner, everyone has their own views. However, from a legal standpoint it either has to be legal or illegal. A pregnant woman is not given the luxury of time for the court to decide whether it is okay in her particular case to be allowed to have an abortion.
God bless.
No sense arguing with "Spam" ---
This is like arguing with a fence post....lol.
I said that Cuba started with a socialist revolution, all the people thought it was going to be wonderful, enter Che Guevara, Marxist (oh there is that word again), and it went quickly from socialism to communism, and the only ones doing well in Cuba are the ones close to Castro. Even Guevara didn't stay, he moved on to Bolivia to start another revolution (still looking for that perfect Marxist society that never happens)...and he died there. If you really cared about this and what might happen to your country more than you care about getting one over on me, you would get informed. But...obviously that is not your modus operandi. So attack away. Knock yourself out. Pat yourself on the back. Mea culpa. lol.
Guess you got tired of arguing with your
self!
Wow, you sound pretty miserable. I am not arguing about anything...
simply stating my opinion. It seems like many here on this board have some bug up their behinds, are bitter and angry (most tend to be O supporters, go figure) and can't have adult conversation without resorting to name calling.
I stand by both my posts...meanwhile, you're arguing with someone else
....argued with oldtimer's post, and she's for Obama.
Too funny, you just attack anyone that you think is putting Obama or Biden down.
Get a grip!
politics are so heated in my family sometimes we actually find ourselves arguing about who gets to l
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Again my point is made - you just like arguing and bashing people that don't agree with you
Your bringing up a dead subject while shouting it at us. You started an abortion post on 8/25 and bashed everyone who didn't agree with you, and you were bashing people on 8/22 about the same subject. Everytime someone brought up their viewpoint you be arguing or bashing them. The point I (and others) are making is you keep bringing this up again and again and again and again and when people don't agree with you you bash them, then when they come back to say something you bash them even more. Then when we finally get a break and have new topics, you start another post about the abortion thing again. The abortion issue is getting tiring for all. We know what abortions are, how horrible they are, and we know how babies are made and the stages of their lives (we are MT's and all took the course) but you feel the need to keep it up and up and up and it's getting real old. Besides that it looks like you are posting under other names and then answering yourself.
I want to read people's opinions and questions of issues we are facing. Abortion is not one of them for most of us. Let it go and move on. What I am trying to say is that while I'd like to hear your viewpoints on other issues enough with the abortion and try and not be so argumentative all the time.
Yes, we all have the right to post things, but it looks like you are posting just for the sake of arguing and we're all getting tired of it.
So go ahead bash me some more.
So when the terrorists come, you'll just say STOP or I'll say STOP again? nm
get on back, neocon, get on back
Tell ya what, sweetheart, last I checked this is the LIBERAL BOARD and I havent been banned, as I dont break the rules, so I can stay as long as I want..Seems to me, conservative, you are the one who should mosey on by and get back to drink more Kook-Aid.
Please stop it. I know what you are doing. sm
You really are pretty transparent. gt said she did not know any socialist Jews. Please just post my reply and not her post because that makes it look especially bad on me. Very transparent. I was pointing out that of course, there are socialist Jews. The rest of your argument, if you have one, is moot, as you are making absolutely no sense whatsoever! Unless baiting people is something you enjoy, which I can see is true.
It won't stop.
He will continue to violate the Constitution because he is arrogant and has no respect for the law. And I agree that what Clinton did pales a lot in comparison to the ongoing arrogant lies and legal violations of Bush. I hope someday enough people wake up in this country and stop him before he can do any more damage to this country and to the world. :-(
She will stop at nothing
What she is trying to do is "buy" the office. What I don't get is there are so many good women who should run. I can think of at least 20 of them I'd vote for if they were running for President, but Where are all of them? Why is that thing in there. I wish she would crawl back in the hole she crawled out of. She is nothing but a power hungry pathologic liar who is a socialist (that is a plain and simple fact, she's just good at covering it up). Everyone knows what she was like as first lady - why anyone would want that thing in there again is beyond me.
I'm all for a woman president - just not THAT woman.
If the dems have any chance of winning the white house back she is not it. I'm reading tons of posts on different sites saying that if she beats Obama, no matter how much they hate McCain they will vote for him just so she won't get in. I hope the dems wake up.
Stop. sm
First of all the c story that he called his wife is a made up lie. It makes for a nice story though. His daughters are crazy about him. Why do you say such things? If you don't like him, fine, but let's stick to the facts. I don't like him either, but I have a lot of reasons that are real and not gossip.
just stop it!
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WTH!!! Stop doing that!!!
Shelley this is not me doing this. Someone is just being stupid. I'm sick and tired of other people trying to post like it is me and it isn't.
FYI.....Chele is just pronounced like shell. No Shelly.
will it ever stop?
first the bailout, now Calfornia wants a personal bailout......how much more money will have to be dished out. I truly wish that the culprits who pocketed money and ran wall street into the ground would be investigated and held accountable. We all would still have to pay for their greed but it might make me feel a bit better if they actually had a consequence to all this instead of walking away with a buttload of money while we foot the bill.
oh stop it - NM
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Let's Stop.
The election is over. The results are in. Whether you are pleased or displeased with the results, it is time to show some class. Gloating is not attractive or very mature either nor is continuing to bemoan all of the dire predictions. I Both Senators Obama and McCain have said it is time for Americans to come together, to work together. How about starting here and now. McCain offered a very gracious speech. Can't we follow that fine example no matter what our personal feelings might be? Let us all behave with some class. We need to deal with the government we have and put our efforts into making it work as best possible instead of childish gloating or incessant complaining. Let's put our considerable energy and knowledge to a constructive purpose and just stop behaving so badly!
Where does it stop?....sm
I've refrained from posting about any of these so called bailouts, ever since they passed the 700 billion one, that all of a sudden, is not wrong and not going to be used for what they were going to use it for.
In the beginning, I was one of those who thought the sky would fall, if they didn't do the bailout on the financial institutions. But then they took the three page bill, and turned it into a bad dream, which got squelched...then it became a nightmare, and became larger...and was passed....and now...now.....
In between some of the auto companies got a bailout....now they want more.....now cities/states, and everyone wants a piece of this action...
arrrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
Let the gosh durn big three fold....let em go under and file for bankruptcy. This isn't about the three auto companies and a bailout for them.
It's a bailout for the union. And along the way, they will make all the other auto makers turn union....
And what scares me the most? The government now owns our financial institutes. If they do the auto bailout, they will own the auto industry.
Where will it end.................
Big and bigger government seems here to stay.............
You really need to think for yourself and stop
getting your words from your TV. Now, Scooter Libby, I really don't care for the man but our troubles with the middle east and everything else that we find ourselves in came about long before Bush. You need to go back several decades, while we constantly implant ourselves in middle eastern affairs and provide them with weapons to fight one against another, just to have them turned around and use those very weapons on us.
If you feel Bush is the reason for all our woes, then when we are attacked again, then we should blame Obama for that, right? After all, he's about the biggest Muslim butt kisser I've seen in a loooong time!
Just Stop!
Do you guys just run around the internet looking for stuff to copy/paste on here? What is your point? We all read articles and watch the news and have our sides. Do you guys think you are going to change the world by pasting stuff on MTStars? Total losers! Go out and do something real if you want to change the world. This isn't helping anyone.
Just Stop!
DITTO!!! It's not bad enough it is all over the TV, we have to see it here too. Plus, shouldn't that be on the political board?
Did you ever stop to consider
the many lives that were saved by taking out these people? Or would you rather many more Americans be subjected to events like 9/11? How many people did we lose in one day on 9/11? Yet so many people want to cry and whine over how we should be nice to terrorists and treat them fairly. They would sooner cut our heads off than be civil but OMG...don't torture them to get information that might save American's lives. How horrible would that be? I have no problem with covert operations taking out dangerous people. In fact, it makes me feel safer knowing that these terrorists aren't going to hurt anyone anymore.
Our government under Obama is getting bigger and bigger and government is controlling more and more things and you are worried about Cheney giving orders to take out terrorists? I tell ya what....I felt a heck of a lot safer back then than I do now. The idea of government controlling what I do....is scary as heck and yet all you guys can focus on is how Bush and Cheney kept us safe after 9/11 but you turn it around to be a bad thing. You people are friggin amazing, you know that? What a load of crap.
Please stop...
with the "two people who love each other" baloney already. We're talking about 2 men who sodomize each other and 2 women who commit abnormal sexual acts together because they can't stand men. You don't have children or you wouldn't feel that way.
Will you PLEASE stop
Get a hobby - preferably one that gets you out of the house.
Did you ever stop to think...(sm)
that maybe the neighbors got tired of dodging the cars that were reportedly spilling out into the cul-de-sac where they lived? I think the inconvenience this places on the neighbors should be viewed no differently than the inconvenience of having a teenage party next door EVERY week.
Why should the law stop
recognizing "marriages" just because gay people declare this to be fair to them? I just think it is sad that something that has always been recognized legally should be undone just for a small group of people. If you want civil unions with benefits...fine. More power to you, but why can't you just leave us alone and let our marriages be like they have been for years? Why must we change to accomodate few people? Why must we always compromise and bend things to accomodate this increasingly secular world?
You can have abortions but you can't refuse to perform them. You can't pray in school or say anything about God in school so we don't offend the non-believers but by all means allow homosexuality be taught to young children as an acceptable thing even though not everyone feels that way......and as evident by the vote in CA...the majority doesn't agree with it!!! Now you want marriages to not be recognized legally because that isn't fair to gay people and for us to have marriages, we must first have a civil union and then get married by our pastor because it would make the gay community feel better. Do you not see a pattern here?
If you would stop your blathering for one second SM
you might actually see what someone is trying to say. Which they did say up above and now you look like a fool.
stop with the bigotry
I never hate or love because of a persons income..It is what they give back to society and the earth that matters..Frankly, I have heard the republicans hate and fear the poor and lock themselves away in gated communities so they dont have to deal with reality..So which bigoted opinion is true..NEITHER..OMG..Stop with the generalizations, the hate filled bigoted attacks..We democrats/liberals do not hate any one type of person..frankly, from what I have seen, experienced and learned over my 30+ years of democratic activisim, we dont hate anyone..we just want peace and prosperity for America and a fair chance for all, whether you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth or not..
Will you please stop posting this over and over again?
Can you not think of anything ORIGINAL to say (something meaningful obviously a bit too much to ask). This is a discussion board after all - what's the problem with replying to the CONTENT of a post once in a while instead of simply attacking those who dare to express a thought?
And before you get your hackles up over what a hypocrite *I* am (usually #2 on the Hannity rules for lackeys wishing to defuse meaningful discussion in favor of creating irresponsible chaos - are you there yet?) let me remind you, there wasn't any content IN your post to reply TO. So would you please cut that out?
then stop replying
I won't agree with you, so I guess that is why this conversation is going nowhere. Yes, these rabbis (and good old Ben Stein) can chose to be anti-abortion (easy for them, they will never be pregnant), but I certainly believe there are MANY MORE rabbis and Jews that will maintain their pro-choice stance regardless of this little meeting (which we did not even here about in our 5000 member congregation).
The protesting will not stop...so yes...sm
If the war is something they believe strongly in then they will have to serve and ignore the protestors. If they are stuck on contract, they will have to serve and pray that the protesting works in their favor.
There is a divide in this country and both sides deserve to be heard.
Can you stop with the name calling please?
The moderator asked that we be respectful, and "ignorant conservatives" is far from that. Branding a whole group of people based on the way one person posts shows very little tolerance on your part. I thought liberals were supposed to be tolerant and believe in the rights of EVERYONE...EVEN...GASP...OH NO...conservatives!!! You do not sound very tolerant and you walked ALL OVER this poster's rights. I guess it is a case of Do as I say...not as I do? It kinda makes any statement or point you wished to make here ring very hollow...at least in this ignorant conservative's view.
Can we stop with the name calling?
Just because you do not agree does not make the poster ignorant. Condescending, to say the least.
Obama's message of empathy is redistribution of wealth. Socialism 101. Why do you think because someone has been successful that obligates them to pay more than anyone else? If you check on a lot of those so-called rich, they give more heavily to charitable organizations, establish foundations, etc. They don't horde it all and count it daily and laugh maniacally because they have it and you don't. Class envy is a nasty, nasty thing.
Why not a flat tax? Ten percent across the board, we ALL pay it. THAT is fair. The rich already pay over 90% of ALL taxes in the coffers. Even THAT is not enough for you.
Perhaps Obama could keep his girls out of camp one year and put that 10 grand toward helping some of the less fortunate. Let him lead by example. Ah...but don't hold your breath. And it is not just Obama...any Dem. Lead by example...cut them a check every month, right of the top of your wages.
It is very naive to suggest that corruption resides only on the republican side. The Clintons have run corrupt administrations from Arkansas right on up. I refer you to the hail mary pardons, travelgate, whitewater, and on and on and on and on. If you are going to accuse, you should accuse across the board.
Another very naive point..stopping nuclear proliferation. It is NOT going to happen. It cannot happen. For it to happen, all parties have to be on board. Russia will never surrender its nukes. Iran will never surrender its nukes. If Israel ever surrenders it's nukes, they have signed their death warrant. Can we not be realistic about this??
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