This is like arguing with a fence post....lol.
Posted By: sam on 2008-10-09
In Reply to: so, make up your mind - Joe sixpack
I said that Cuba started with a socialist revolution, all the people thought it was going to be wonderful, enter Che Guevara, Marxist (oh there is that word again), and it went quickly from socialism to communism, and the only ones doing well in Cuba are the ones close to Castro. Even Guevara didn't stay, he moved on to Bolivia to start another revolution (still looking for that perfect Marxist society that never happens)...and he died there. If you really cared about this and what might happen to your country more than you care about getting one over on me, you would get informed. But...obviously that is not your modus operandi. So attack away. Knock yourself out. Pat yourself on the back. Mea culpa. lol.
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So we better go take a board off the fence. LOL
Have a good day. 
There are SMs from both sides of the fence
Take the above posts, for example:
Fitzgerald renews interest in Rezko-Obama deal
If you read anything on here, read this.
This should disturb every honorable citizen
Your stereotypes are inaccurate and pretty boring.
that's because you are on the other side of the fence..nm
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I agree with you. I was on the fence, too, but not anymore
I thought Obama was going to be my choice then I did some research because I wondered how he was going to accomplish all those ideas. It's a dream scheme, nothing but a lot of hot air and higher taxes as usual. There's no way he can do what he wants to do.
McCain is not promising the world on a silver platter. He's not the greatest speaker, but I believe he'll do a better job.
Do you realize you are disgusting everyone here who is "on the fence" about abortion?
You people are what keep abortion laws legal in . The vast majority of people find comments like yours disturbing and frigging crazy.
Listen to me: People who murder are extremists.
Arguing with a know-it-all...nm
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I believe she's arguing for something .....
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No use arguing. You have your
opinion and I have mine. Sorry but I heard it directly from McCain's own mouth that he would stay in Iraq 100 years if that's what it took? If that's what it took for what? The region has never been "stable" and it isn't going to be stable now. The people don't want us there. If they want freedom let them fight for it themselves. Read much about the American Revolution lately? This war was and is about oil. Wasn't Bush cronies with Sadam? As well as Cheney? Maybe even McCain?
No use arguing
we've been over this about 100 times and I'm not even going to waste my time.
I'm done arguing with you.
If you cannot see the massive difference between the RELIGION of Islam and the FAITH of Christianity, well then we don't even have a basis for discussion.
I pointed out that they are anti-gay to point out the fact that instead of FORGIVENESS, which the ONE TRUE GOD gives, they offer death. Where Jesus came to sacrifice Himself for atonement for us (who didn't deserve it), Muslims must work their entire lives to try to appease Allah by works alone. Where Jesus commanded us to love our enemies, Allah commands Muslims to kill theirs. Where our God tells us "thou shalt not lie" Allah tells Muslims it's okay to lie in order to further their religion.
That's just the beginning. I could go all night.
Oh one more thing. The founder of Islam's bones can still be found to this day. The founder of Christianity's bones cannot be found. Why? He was resurrected. No other religion even claims the resurrection of their god or founder. Why? Because their god, gods or founder cannot conquer death. If their god cannot conquer death, then how can he/she/them/it offer anything after this life to them?
It is not hypocritical to proclaim truth. Truth is not relative, as most postmodernist want to claim. The statement "truth is relative" in itself destroys the statement, for if truth is relative, then that means that statement cannot actually be true all the time, which means truth is not always relative. So the cop-out saying "what's true for you isn't true for me" is also a fallacy.
I don't understand you or those in line with you. If I only agreed with half the Bible, or changed it to be more politically correct, you all would point out that I am not a devoted Christian. But if I follow the Bible completely (at least try to) then I am close-minded, hypocritical, etc. It's d@mned if I do, d@mned if I don't. God commands Christian's to fight for what is TRUTH and to hold His Word above even the law of the land. We are told to go and tell, not to keep our faith to ourselves. We do as we are commanded and get bashed for it. But that's okay, because we were already told that would happen.
The only reason the USA has been such a great nation is because God was behind it. It USED to be a Christian nation. But I believe God is getting pretty fed up with the nation as a whole and will soon remove His protection from it, if He hasn't already. Our nation has become so arrogant as to believe that God is not involved or needed here, so I believe, being the gentleman He is, that He has stepped out, and that's why everywhere you look we are having problems and we are quickly going down the tubes.
That's all I can say on the subject. You obviously already have your mind made up about what Christianity is, so there is no use trying to discuss it any further.
No point in arguing with you though. So your
I suppose your comments will not bother me if I do not try to argue/respond, so I no longer will. Easy solution. It's not that I don't think you have some relatively reasonable views on providing health care to kids, you just aren't willing to have your taxes raised to provide that care, and that is your personal feeling. I could come up with some great solutions too, but the fact is that you and I are not a part of Congress, and any hypothetical solutions we come up with are going to do nothing to cover the families that could benefit from the S-SCHIP right now, which is when these families need help - right now. I will gladly support any bill that is designed to ease medical costs for any family. I will gladly have my taxes raised if it means children and families making middle-income wages suffer less.
So you can respond to this if you want, but I will no longer respond to any of your posts.
Sam is officially arguing with herself.
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Looks like you want to keep arguing on a subject that's old and done with
We don't need to keep going over issues on abortion. We all know what abortion is. I started reading your post and didn't know if you were trying to give us a medical course on "what to expect when your expecting" or if you were preaching to us from a religious standpoint. This issue was discussed and debated and argued over extensively below. It looks like you were'nt satisfied and want to argue some more - and from what it sounds like from others this has just bored all of us to sleep. I thought the political board was for political discussions, not pregnancy lessons or religious beliefs about when a fetus actually becomes a human being.
Move on...too many other topics to discuss. BTW, no need to shout at us with your headline.
I wasn't arguing!
All I was saying to Stardust was that Obama has said the same thing Mccain has. She is the one who said that we needed to "check our facts" before saying something about Obama because Mccain had said that he was going to be president. I was just pointing out and providing proof that Obama has said the same thing on multiple occasions, meaning I was pointing out that there IS NO ARGUMENT on this issue because BOTH CANDIDATES have said "WHEN I AM PRESIDENT" or something along those lines.
If I didn't like arguing with you...(sm)
I wouldn't have responded...ROFL. I enjoy engaging you, and several others on here (most with opposite views from mine -- go figure) as the conversation is always stimulating and thought provoking. Yeah, we need to have this discussion on the faith board....LOL.
There is no arguing with that kind of logic.
Alex Jones is not a physicist or a structuralist, I presume. The people who built the WTC explained how the extreme heat from the jet fuel caused the buildings to topple. There is no use arguing this with you. You have chosen to believe it and there you have it.
I'm really not interested in arguing the point...sm
Of who is worst because you are right they all were wrong. I just don't understand why when someone does something wrong people expect you to not say anything about it because *others* have committed similar crimes in the past and got away with it. And??
I understand being upset about Studd and even Clinton if you feel that strongly about it, but don't expect business as usual when a scandal like this hits the fan. People are going to talk about it. 23 years ago when Studd was having his affair I was in grade school so excuse me for first not knowing what you were talking about (until I researched it) and second not seeing the relevance of it in the case of Foley. I'm sure there was outrage for what Studd did too. Now upon learning about Studd and his (I can't say that here), I even said I do not know how or why the people continued to vote him in and yeah he should have had the decency to step down. Sorry you think I'm being partisan - NO far from it. I am always disgusted with people who prey on children, birth to the day before they turn 18, sexually.
Oh and don't expect me or anyone else to think Foley is some stand up type of guy because he stepped down AFTER GETTING CAUGHT, mind you. Had he not been caught he would still be IM'ing children.
Yeah Clinton was wrong for lying under oath. He should have told the truth and apologized *to his wife*. It's not like it is illegal to have an extramarital affair.
Like you said, they are all morally wrong, but I tend to be more disgusted with child predators. It doesn't matter if you agree with me (there are plenty of people who do). We'll just have to agree to disagree.
One point you didn't bring up was Foley's job responsibility. That makes it a little more eerie. Are people not supposed to be disappointed that this is who we have in charge of protecting our children?
I'm not arguing this anymore, it's pointless
but your last argument hit me. If abortion was made illegal and I got pregnant and carrying that baby was going to kill me - then someone would have the power to choose whether I live or die - the people who chose to make abortion illegal.
And before anyone argues that abortion would be allowed in those cases, who would get to decide? The courts? By the time the case went through the sluggish system, it could be too late.
This debate has no winner, everyone has their own views. However, from a legal standpoint it either has to be legal or illegal. A pregnant woman is not given the luxury of time for the court to decide whether it is okay in her particular case to be allowed to have an abortion.
God bless.
No sense arguing with "Spam" ---
A lot of this arguing back and forth seems futile
when it is the undecided people who will probably count. If you are republican you vote McCain, democrat Obama. I could never understand why we always end up to only 2 candidates. How is that any kind of progress. Shouldn't there be 2 or 3 nominees from each party. Could that be worse than what we have now?
Guess you got tired of arguing with your
self!
Please STOP! The arguing back and forth about what you would do (sm)
is so disrespectful. Please just drop that subject. You have no idea what you would really do in his situation. I am voting for McCain, but I can still have respect for others.
Wow, you sound pretty miserable. I am not arguing about anything...
simply stating my opinion. It seems like many here on this board have some bug up their behinds, are bitter and angry (most tend to be O supporters, go figure) and can't have adult conversation without resorting to name calling.
I stand by both my posts...meanwhile, you're arguing with someone else
....argued with oldtimer's post, and she's for Obama.
Too funny, you just attack anyone that you think is putting Obama or Biden down.
Get a grip!
politics are so heated in my family sometimes we actually find ourselves arguing about who gets to l
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Again my point is made - you just like arguing and bashing people that don't agree with you
Your bringing up a dead subject while shouting it at us. You started an abortion post on 8/25 and bashed everyone who didn't agree with you, and you were bashing people on 8/22 about the same subject. Everytime someone brought up their viewpoint you be arguing or bashing them. The point I (and others) are making is you keep bringing this up again and again and again and again and when people don't agree with you you bash them, then when they come back to say something you bash them even more. Then when we finally get a break and have new topics, you start another post about the abortion thing again. The abortion issue is getting tiring for all. We know what abortions are, how horrible they are, and we know how babies are made and the stages of their lives (we are MT's and all took the course) but you feel the need to keep it up and up and up and it's getting real old. Besides that it looks like you are posting under other names and then answering yourself.
I want to read people's opinions and questions of issues we are facing. Abortion is not one of them for most of us. Let it go and move on. What I am trying to say is that while I'd like to hear your viewpoints on other issues enough with the abortion and try and not be so argumentative all the time.
Yes, we all have the right to post things, but it looks like you are posting just for the sake of arguing and we're all getting tired of it.
So go ahead bash me some more.
P.S. Please scroll down after reading above post. Washington Post article included.
Reprinted in Boston Globe. Sorry!
I wrote: I second JTBB's post, 'watcher's post is misinformed crap...sm
pYou have also to read what's posted 'inside' the message.
Oops, meant to post this under the loose trolls post...
I'm going to keep ignoring these troll posts. It's kind of fun, actually, just pretend you don't see them.
Post the direct link. I don't see the post you're referring to.
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The post I quoted was the entire post. It was not taken out of context. sm
I imagine there are as many emotions and thoughts going on with our troops as possible and each does not feel the same as the other, which is obvious by the posts here.
Sorry gourdpainter, my other post should have been under the wacky Pakistan post (nm)
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Why did you post this? Republicans have been asked NOT to post here..Bye Bye.
Why did you post this? Happy Thanksgiving is enough but to be so happy we have a republican president? Why did you post that? I would like to remind you, you are on the liberal board. Are you trying to start trouble? If so, let me know and I will report you immediately. No, Im not happy we have a republican president, a warmonger chickenhawk president. Does that answer your question? Now, go back to the republican board. We dont want you here and actually the moderator and administrator have asked republicans not to post here..Bye..bye..
Forgot to post a link in 1st post. Sorry.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/tax/article1996735.ece
Please refer me to any post where I referred to either the post...
or the poster as ignorant. And I certainly never sunk to the levels you did at the top of the post, against a man who is ill in a wheelchair. Pot calling the kettle black...?
I re-read your post, and I stand by my post.
You are twisting his words by saying that he wants to make friends with terrorists. That is not what he said.
Ya gotta understand the rules. We have to post on this board only. They can post on any board they
The above post explains a lot about everything else you post!
Your revelation about being married to a career Army guy explains why your views are skewed so drastically to the far right! I thought it had to do with small-town Pennsylvania, but now I truly understand where you are coming from. Thank you for explaining that us. We will read your posts in a completely different light now that we know the truth.
If you want to post something on the subject, post
objective views. This is a one-sided publication that asks for donations to keep it going. Nothing I read in there posts anything against any democrats, just republicans. It is not a fair-minded reporting.
I like to read both sides of the aisle but this publication spews hatred for anything not democratic in order to sell books. To those who can't see both sides, this blog, or publication as they like to state, is just up their aisle. I shake my head at one-sided news. Taken from their web site:
"Indeed, a founding idea of the Consortium for Independent Journalism was that a major investment was needed in journalistic endeavors committed to honestly informing the American people about important events, no matter what the political and economic pressures.
While we are proud of the journalistic contribution that this Web site has made over the past decade – and while we are deeply grateful to our readers whose contributions have kept us afloat – we also must admit that we have not made the case well enough that this mission is a vital one.
Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His new book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.' "
I second your post and 'watcher's post
is misinformed crap.
My post was a direct answer to the direct post...
of Democrat. It was not a blank open-ended statement. And dial it back a notch...it is certainly your right to protest anything any time you want to. Just like it is my right to protest you protesting while men and women are still in harm's way, because you are in effect aiding the enemy. Apparently the Viet Nam experience taught you nothing. Americans protesting in the streets heartened the enemy and when they were about to surrender decided not to, based a lot upon what was happening in the American streets. I believe that the protesting in that war prolonged the war and cost more American lives. Hanoi Jane should have been tried for treason. That being said...lessons were not learned and the protestors are doing the exact same thing now. Exercising the very right bought for them by shedding of American military blood. And I still say common courtesy should keep people out of the streets and off the TV until the military are home safe. But it just proves the same thing to me over and over...the selfISHhness of the protestors vs. the selfLESSness of the military. They continue to put it all on the line for your right to protest anything you want to protest...it is up to YOU to decide where and when that is appropriate, and it is up to you to take the heat for same. It is up to me and others like me (in my opinion) to apply that heat. Go ahead and do whatever your conscience or lack thereof moves you to do. But do not expect those of a different mind not to protest the protest.
Thanks for the post. I think I will look up that
article.
And thanks for pointing out all the other "results" of his administration that, as you say, benefit nobody but the rich and/or the corporations or, as he himself once publicly bragged, "his base."
I know for a fact that when he ran for President in 2000, I told every single person I knew that if he becomes President, we're going to go to war with Iraq. (Nobody's gonna treat his daddy like Saddam did and get away with it.)
I didn't have a crystal ball. I had common sense and a good memory from the Gulf War when his father was President and how he didn't "finish the job." Seems a lot of other Americans forgot about that.
I really enjoyed reading your post and all the facts you raised that I failed to raise in mine. Thanks for the mention of the LA Times article. I'm going to try to look that up on the web. 
I know they don't. I said that in my post. NM
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Actually, that post is right on. sm
You sound like a total lunatic, out of control and full of hatred. You sound like someone who could do just what "vs" says. You had best take a look at your behavior. YOUR posts are the ones who should be reported. You are one frightening person.
Re your post
From your post:
"Did you read Mein Kampf? Would that be good enough evidence for you, because he wrote about it in there."
Wrote about what? That the Jews were socialists?
This is an entirely different post.
Really wasn't directed to you anyhow.
your post is just sad
I'm actually feeling sad for you right now gt. You obviously don't know what Christianity is about. Pat Robertson does not speak for me, and I don't endorse what he said. I'm sorry you are so bitter and hate filled that you would wish anyone to burn in hell. There are some evil people in this world but my first wish for them is that they find Christ and turn from their evil ways with His help. I too hope one day you find Christ, gt, and quit letting misguided Christians and Christian leaders keep you from HIM. Their blunders are not worth your eternal soul.
thank you for your post
What a great post, so heartfelt and I thank you for it.
Yes I do. see my post below. nm
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The post.
You think there is only one patriot here? Get a trip on your sour shrivled heart and try not to speak.
Whoops! I made a mistake. My bad.
This is the post where the NEOCON tells the LIBERAL not to speak ON HER OWN BOARD!
They can't show a post of a liberal telling Army Mom not to speak because it doesn't exist.
Where did you get that from my post?
Really? I did? Where do you read that in my post? I talk about taking care of the middle class and that the rich really dont give a darn about the middle class. I talk about a friend who is quite smug and out of touch with real America. No where do I mention anything about Kerry or Kennedy.
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