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Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Posted By: Zville MT on 2008-10-29
In Reply to: this from the wall street journal, interesting article - cj

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Will history repeat?
If Senator McCain is elected, wonder what excuses will be used to keep him away from the convention in 2012?
those who do not learn from history....
You should know the rest. and yes, I learned plenty....I learned plenty when my wonderful friend left to go to work on 9/11/2001 just like every other ordinary day, just doing his job, and never came home again. Sorry, but if we don't keep remembering, we are doomed.
tHOSE WHO LEARN FROM HISTORY

I agree with you 200%.  I did not vote for Obama.  I always vote based on the Bible as does my family and at our Bible Chapel.  I always vote against abortion and always towards marriage of one man and one woman,  I do believe that Obama is a socialist and he will be introducing social medicine.  It makes me think that we're closer to the rapture than we think.


Those who refuse to learn from history..... sm
are doomed to repeat it.  The following is a link written by an elderly woman who grew up in Nazi Germany.  See how many dots you can connect. 

http://carylmatrisciana.com:80/x2/content/view/74/1/
I did not learn that in any of my history classes
I am not sure why everyone is so nasty tonight! At any rate, I thought it was an interesting read. I am not being a smarta$$, but was there a relevance to modern politics that I missed, or was it just an interesting article?
"Those who don't learn from history are
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You really do need to learn more about the history of the Bible
And how it came to be. It is stories and was assembled by men. These are the same men who decided what they would put in and what they would leave out.

Sorry but I don't trust these men.
It's a fact of history. Read up on it. You might learn something.

I refuse to forget history...can't afford to be "condemned to repeat it"

He created this cluster with his cronies and they should be held accountable.


History is history and opinion is opinion. You need to learn the difference.
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We are all doomed
Well I hope Obama gets it because he is the best chance at getting our country back to some form of normalcy. He cares about the American people. He's worked his whole life helping the poor and disadvantaged. He stands behind his votes (unlike Hillary who tells us she wished she voted a different way). Hillary has spent her career helping herself. She cares nothing about the American people. She just says what she believes the people want to hear, but her record shows us what she is really all about. Everybody critisizes Obama always saying "his past speaks for itself", but they don't really know what that means. I constantly get the "he's more liberal than the Kennedy's", however most people don't even know what that means. He's a person I can believe in. Clinton is just another extension of Bush/McCain.

If there is any hope of the democrats winning back the presidency Obama needs to be the candidate. Why do you think the republicans, Rush Limbaug and others are urging all people to vote for Hillary - because they are afraid of Obama and they know that McCain will not win over Obama, however if Hillary wins the nomination it will be a slam dunk and the republicans will win. I absolutely hate what the republican party has become (I used to be that party but not anymore). However if Hillary is elected I will be voting for McCain, along with thousands of other people I've heard. McCain may not be the greatest but you know where he stands. Hillary is a liar and a criminal. She is the foulest creature on this planet. She's is power hungry and she is "destroying" anything that crosses her path. She will put out lies about Obama and then turn around and cry that he's not being fair to her.

As for the super delegates - I've heard they are slimy snakes and will vote for whoever gives them a better lunch. I just pray that on the inside they realize that the only hope we have to win the white house back is to vote for Obama.

Another thing...if you like any sort of control over your life why in the world would anyone even consider voting her in. She is a true blood socialist (read her life story and statements she has made). She does not believe people can make decisions for themselves and that's what the government is for. She is foul mouth (read her statements). She is irrational and does not have the experience she claims to have (again read her background). She's devious, a liar and a poor choice for a candidate. She is so power hungry to get back in there she will destroy anything that gets in her way. She thinks the office belongs to her and that she should have just been annointed in.

Also, I can't figure out why nobody remembers what life was like for us all when they were in there before. People were losing their jobs left and right. People who made a decent wage, lost their jobs went overseas and a rise of "poverty paying wage" jobs rose up. Even then the people who so called "benefited" from this still had to subsidize their incomes with food stamps because they didn't make enough money to support their families. People were losing their homes, were living in the streets, cost of living went up while pay rates didn't. We were taxed, taxed, taxed to the hilts while the Clintons and their friends (who happened to be the so called 2% of the richest people in America) did not suffer any. They acted as though they were king and queen and they lived the life (and believe it or not I voted for them). Our military was dessimated and our country destroyed.

As for the delegates - I hope for the best and hope they come to realize what a creature she is and will do the right thing. I also find it unconstitutional that we the people vote but they come in and just "decide" who will be put in there. Talk about a breakdown in the system!

I will never be a US citizen if she gets in there but then again she never will win. Our only true hope is for people to come to their senses and do the right thing and vote Obama. And until the Clinton lovers bring out the truth about Hillary and her past criminal activities and plans to turn the country into a socialist economy I don't even want to hear how some people think they know about Obama's background. It's no where near what this creature has done. What a disgrace she is and anyone who is for her!
just doomed.

That is how I feel - "doomed".  There is so much hatred, lies, and rumors flying on this board.  The only thing I can see from the posts is there is a lot of hatred towards Obama.  Everyone who is attacking Obama has not said one positive thing about McCain.  They are trying to spread fear.  One point in particular that keeps coming up is about Obama's former pastor (R. Wright) and how he has spewed hatred in the church, yet you won't say anything about McCains spiritual leader (whom he still follows), Rod Parsley, who believes these wacked out ideas about how this religion and that religion is a "false" religion (mind you every other religion that isn't his - which has some whacked out ideas of his own) and it's America's mission to destroy Islam.  Then his other ministor Haggee, who says that the Catholic church is the Antichrist and a false cult.  So for all the attacks you put on Obama's former minister (whom he longer seeks advice from), you seem to ignore that McCain is still taking advice from these two nut cases.  And you seem to think that's okay.


All i know is neither candidate is a very good choice.  The Obama supporters who like him and believe in him will say so, but the people who absolutely hate Obama for whatever reason they have do not have anything good to say about McCain. 


So, I just say....we're doomed!  It will be interesting to see who the "big boys" (oil companies, CEOs, and millionaires) decide who our next president will be.  I can't figure out which one they like better.  As for me, I'll be staying home watching all the people who go out and vote because they actually believe our vote counts.


We're doomed - seriously!!!!
Clinton's back in the WH!

C'mon you can't tell me there was nobody else qualified to do the job. Even then I question her qualifications. She certainly wasn't qualified to be president, now she's going to be running around the world as though she is head honcho. And what's Billy-boy going to be doing????? You know if he has his way his hand will be in the cookie jar somehow.

Oh please, I can't wait to hear the outcome of the bc issue. Somebody's got to put a stop to the incompetence hiring!

If this is a preview as to how the next 4 years is going to be this country is going to go down the tubes and real quick.

But then at least I can say don't come crying to us - you voted for him.

I'd like to add in a few choice words at this point but know my post would be deleated if I did.
Agreed. Empires are doomed to fail.
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Israel is anything but doomed, and you are totally deluded.

Can you disprove any of the history I have provided?  Can you disprove that the Jews bought undeveloped land from the palestinians -- not occupied, BOUGHT IT?!?!?!?!  Can you disprove that Arafat was a terrorist pocketing an and all aid the U.S. gave to the palestinians?  Can you disprove anything I have said or is your whole argument that it's all a lie?  There are legal documents and reports from commissions of educated unbiased people that prove what I am saying is true!


You are right this whole argument is beating a dead horse.  I have my truth and you have yours.  Your truth is a web of lies spun by known terrorists.  Time will tell whose truth is the real truth and I pray for your soul when that day comes.


Repeat - Factcheck is not a reliable source, Repeat - no reliable
You keep citing Factcheck and we keep having to tell you Factcheck is not reliable. Why is it not reliable? Because it is funded by the Annenberg Foundation in which Obama is part of. AND because Obama was Chairman of the Board. It really is like talking to a wall. So let me repeat and read this nice and slow. Factcheck...not a reliable source. Cheese-o-Pete...you might as well just say you asked Michelle Obama and she said it's real. Additionally....the b/c they put up there was found to be a forgery. So...once again...factcheck not reliable...b/c submitted was a forgery.

So are you a fortune teller? You don't know if he will be elected or disqualified and neither do I. If the SC comes back and says he is legite I will drop the subject. If they find anything out of the ordinary then I will most likely say I told you so. If they say he's not legite but we'll change the constitution just for him, then I will be madder than a hornet and you'll hear from me. But all in all I will be satisfied with what the SC says. We won't know what their decision is until they make it.

If it comes back that he is ineligible and he lied, he better do some explaining to this country about why and he better calm his worshippers down. I think overall the country will be okay. For as many supporters that he has there are an equal number of people who don't support him and view him to be ineligibile. There are even people who support him, but are saying...wait a minute here, things are not adding up. Just show us the certificate and be done with it. In fact more so now since all this info came out and many people upset about it that they didn't know ahead of time.

As for what I think will happen. I really don't know. I do believe that quite possibly Hillary will step in and become President because she is the one that he wronged by campaigning when he knew he did not meet qualifications. So I believe probably she will become the next President and Biden will remain VP, or Biden will step in as President and she becomes VP.

I highly doubt the SC will just elect McCain because the republican party did not win and now that we have a congress/senate that's all democrat (or mostly democrat) they would prevent that somehow.

As for McCain? Heck no I didn't want him in there. I wanted one of the following - Chuck Baldwin from the constitutional party (but he had no chance whatsoever). I was also interested in Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich. I really like Dennis Kucinich. I agreed with a lot of his ideas (especially impeachment of Bush) and I have agreed with a lot of what he has voted on in the past.

So maybe what I would really like to see happen is if the O is disqualified to have another "mini" campaign. All the candidates can run again and then the public decides after one or two months of campaigning. So, instead of having a President inaugerated in January they could be inaugerated in February or March. It would be different, but nothing like this has ever happened before.

I'll just say this on the whole b/c issues and this is why I say this and I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.

1. Let me first say I voted for Obama in the primaries. So in no way do I hate him or a racist or whatever else people want to throw out. I voted for him because he has some ideas I thought were good (thought is the key word).
2. After he was elected I read about the stolen election from Hillary (even though I was way so not supportive of her). I started learning about his lies to the people. His dealings with Ayers, ACORN, Wright, Farrakhan etc, etc.
3. He funds different groups who create websites to detract from the issues.
4. The media treated him like a prince while trashing McCain/Palin. I was no fan of theirs by all means but what happened to them was uncalled for.
5. The b/c he put up on the "factcheck" site was found to be a forgery.
6. We find out he's born in Kenya and legally goes and has the records sealed, along with his school records. He is hiding something and that is not very reassuring for over half the country here.
7. His grandmother was in the room when he was born along with his sister and brother.
8. His sister mentions multiple hospitals he was born at, while Obama mentions something totally different.

Those are only a few of the issues that are my concerns about his legitimacy.

On the other hand you have the issues/policies of his that I don't agree with and am finding out more and more how unsafe our country is going to be.

The incident in India has the you know what scared out of me and the thought of that happening here in our country is a real issue for me.

I was in the US Army. I spent 8 years in the service defending the country. It just makes me a bit upset to hear that people don't care if the Constition is not upheld, just so Obama gets in no matter what. All I want is the Constituion protected. That's all I'm asking for. Our founding fathers created it for a reason and we need to abide by it and not change it. I saw where Barney Franks tried to change it so that a foreign born could become president as long as they had been a citizen for 20 years (it was quite odd timing because not too much longer after that Obama decides to run and then we find there is a forged b/c. Timing of all this is just way too suspicious. All I say is let the supreme courts decide. That is what they are there for. I have read articles that say The Supreme Courts job is to protect the constitution and even if it means that a decision they make is not going to be popular, they are bound by their duty to defend the Constitution and they will.

So, once more I want to repeat that Factcheck is not reliable source because Obama/Annenberg Foundation and Factcheck are one in the same.
repeat - sm
If checking the adoption records is part of the normal background check, then the only reason this is a problem is because the media is making it one.

Again, and I repeat. sm
This is NOT how MJF is every day!  I thought I explained this above.  I am not diminishing the disease.  My mother-in-law died of it a year and a half ago. It's a terrible disease.  But he controls much of the symptoms with medication, which he did not take, or so the word was last night.  Now I am reading that he actually had overmedicated himself.  Now, having said that, you have proved my point about apologies. I didn't hear anyone on the left mentioning when the famous leftie Ben Affleck, made fun of people with cerebral palsy.  He never apologized either, that I know of.  But, of course, that's different.  It's only bad when conservatives do it.  It's bad all the way around, I say. 
repeat after me

fair and balanced . . . fair and balanced . . . fair and balanced . . . obama is a muslim .  . . economy is fundamentally strong . . . fair and balanced . .  .


 


Anything.... I repeat - ANYTHING! is better
Biggest embarrassment this country has ever had in office. Time for Retardo to HIT THE ROAD.
Let me repeat myself
Because you're not getting it.

"Where did I say in my post to watch Fox News"

Where??? It didn't.

"Better to stay silent and remain a food, then to speak and remove all doubt" - Benjamin Franklin
Looks like I have to repeat AGAIN -
Snopes.com is not a credible site to verify truths/falses. They have been noted time and time again to say something is false when it's true and vice versa. It is a site run by two very liberal people. So if I go and create a website with a relative of mine and we put up a bunch of false claims as long as it veers in the positive towards the viewpoint we like your going to start telling us that we are credible? I don't think so. If you want to believe Snopes, then you might as well tell people to go read it in the National Inquirer, Star or any of those other sites you can access on line.

Here's a repeat one more time for those that do not get it.... do not come back here and tell us that something is truth or fiction because it said so on Snopes. Research many many sites. Do not judge things just by a liberal or a conservative site. Read, read, read and judge for yourselves. Find out who is behind these websites and what agenda are they fulfilling. Then make up your mind.

I could care less that the article has to say right now. What I am telling you and others is that Snopes has been wrong about many issues time and time again. Do not believe them, or if you do pull up their site pull up other sites as well to verify information, but don't come here and try and tell us something is or is not true because Snopes said it was or wasn't. Okay, got it now???
They never WILL learn - that's what's so sad.
their same mistakes over and over again, because they just can't envision any other way to do things or to address this country's problems than what's been done for the last 8 years. They're so obsessed with running round and round, trying to out-shout everyone about their 2 loser candidates, while simultaneously trying to convince us (and themselves, maybe) how the Christian way is the ONLY way, that they can't use their brains (or their mouths) for anything else.

What hypocrites. If they sling mud and bash a candidate, it's 'god's will'. If the dems do it, they're 'evil-doers'.

All I can say is, if the blinder-wearers get into the White House again, then 'lordy, help us all'. I'll sure be scrutinizing, & wondering about, every jet that comes in a little too low over my city.
Everyone up there should have to learn
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you can learn a lot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany
Something you should learn (sm)

Just because people do not believe or think the way you do about Obama does not automatically mean they have some underlying dark secret for hating him.  I voted for Obama, but that doesn't mean I hate McCain.  I simply do not agree with his policies or his record.  I think you are just waiting for someone to say anything on here that you can misconstrue into some kind of racial argument.  The fact that YOU are the one bringing this up speaks much louder than your question ever could.


And the more I learn........... sm
about the mindset of liberals, extreme or otherwise, the more conservative I become. So I guess we cancel each other out. I used to think that, at some point, this country would return to a more moral base, but I sadly don't see that happening with the likes of you and other liberals who push such wicked agendas. What a pity.
I'm not judging. All I did was repeat what she herself said.
I don't wrap myself in the Bible and the flag and justify my actions by saying that Jesus doesn't care if I act like a hateful person because he forgives me for every single thing I do, giving me free rein to act like a thug.  I take responsibility for my own actions.
I repeat...have as much right to be here and post as you do...
And until this becomes Venezuela North, I will exercise it. You can have all the opinions you want, and so can anyone else, along as they agree with you. If you have issues that are important to you, post them, defend them....don't spend so much time trying to silence me and put forth those issues that you are concerned about. No one is stopping you from doing that.
I repeat....there was no surplus...
that was just clever use of word. It was a "projected" surplus, and it was contingent upon a cap on federal spending for 15 years, and no added federal programs. There was no real "surplus" sitting around.

Mea culpa on the borrowing. I have already said Bush spent like a drunken sailor. Spending needs to be curbed. Neither candidate is willing to say what I think needs to be done...no more new programs and stop the ones that are not working. When we get back in the "black" again, then we can look at increasing programs. Throwing more money at stuff is obviously not the answer.
again why do i have to repeat this over and over WHO SAID IM CHRISTIAN!
IVE NEVER said that and in fact in my first post said "not all people against gay marriage are christian".

sacred to me means something i believe strongly in no matter what "faith" has to do with it, sorry you have nothing like that
Then I repeat...why doesn't your guy....
the prez candidate on the other ticket...go to a venue where actual Americans ask the actual questions and communicate with "us" directly??
Could you repeat the question?
Cause I can see Russia over there and they aren't too happy about having to loan Iceland money I can tell ya.
GP - how many times do we have to repeat
It is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and is funded by the Annenberg Foundation. Obama, Bill Ayers, and Factcheck.org all have ties to the Annenberg Foundation.

Obama has ties to Factcheck.org. In 1995 Obama was appointed Board Chairman and President of the Annenberg Chicago Challenge - A branch of the Annenberg Foundation.

Factcheck.org is part of the Annenberg Foundation. Factcheck was also chosen by the Obama campaign as the arbitrar of Obama's birth certificate.

Anyone can put two and two together and see that Obama and The Annenberg Foundation pays Factcheck.org to put out the false information.

Factcheck claims it has "verified" the O's bc, but other sites has found several inconsistencies which call into question whether the certificate is authentic.

Before you tell anyone they should quit reading blogs that have any useful information, you should not be citing a website that is clearly misleading people and feeding them false information, and that is paid for by the Annenberg Foundation which = Obama.
Disregard this repeat.
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I repeat - take it offline if you want to
Otherwise, any post on this board is fair game for anyone to read and reply to.

...and how could I have guessed that an individual's qualifications to post on a particular topic (in this case, terrorism, 9/11 and related intelligence matters) would be meaningless to you? Well, because you've already proven that you're the kind who's invited to a steak dinner and prefers to eat out of the garbage can.
If Bush could learn to tell

the truth, maybe more of us would like him.  It's hard to like someone you can't believe or trust.


Bush probably had 100% support when the U.S. attacked Afghanistan after 9/11.


And he USED that tragedy, and on the blood of every victim of 9/11, he led us into HIS war against Iraq.  He fooled everyone, not only Americans in general but also Congress, who believed him.


What if there really WAS a threat to this country tomorrow?  What would happen if he wanted to invade another country based on his "word" that we were in imminent danger?  Who would believe him?  I doubt he'd be able to fool Congress again.  He's supposed to be on TV Tuesday night, supposedly to explain more about Iraq.  There's no point in my watching it.  I'm not willing to subject myself to more of his lies.  I'm just treading lightly and hoping this country, if not the world, can survive the next 3 years of his administration and that he doesn't do too much more harm.


Bush lied about the Iraq war.  Plain and simple.  If someone lies to me, it doesn't matter whether I like them or not.  I simply can't trust someone who lies.  PERIOD.


The biggest issue (for me, anyway) is trust. 


 


I invite you to go learn who she is...
there are a lot of women who know who she is, who have been following her career. She is the whole package.
learn the definitions

Since you apparently don't think you're paying enough in taxes, here's an idea.  Instead of my paying even more in taxes, why not have you go ahead and do it?  You seem to think that gov't can run your life better than you can and that you would obviously make wrong/poor decisions otherwise. 


Look up the words in the dictionary.  Donald Trump said the same thing last PM on Greta about taxing us even more, and how it'd ruin things even more.


Just take the cash out of your wallet and hand it over to those who can make it just fine w/o living under socialism.  Your naivity is just scary. 


He needs to learn to multitask
He will have more than one crisis on his hands if he president. He should be able to handle this and campaigning, and the debate if wants to look qualified.

If his VP can be a governor and raise 5 kids, maybe she is the better candidate.
You know, the more I learn I don't care for either also.
God help us!
And you better learn to read. What

do you think? With all the crap out there on the dems, you still think they had nothing to do with it? Rose colored glasses is what you wear. Better get your ears and eyes examined.


'Nough said. I'm not getting into an argument with you but it's all out there in black-and-white.


When will you learn? She didn't

buy those clothes. The RNC did and most of them went back right away because they didn't fit. She didn't ask for those clothes. They figured she has to "look the part of a VP." Since when do VPs have to look like a million.


 


Obama won, but you will all learn soon that
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that is interesting. Learn something new
every day!
Yes. We learn more every day how crooked the
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If you can repeat yourself a zillion times..
Hearings where grounds for impeachment are the only topic of discussion are accurately referred to as imjpeachment hearings. Your attempts to distract do not change anything. The issues and evidence are up there for you to read. The links are provided. Dennis Kucinich can do this better than any of them. Watch the CSPAN interview and then come back and tell me there's nothing there.
This video is propaganda. Repeat...
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Stand down. If you respond, she will repeat herself
an over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Oh I see....just drive by and repeat the same opinions over and over.
Thank you for clarifying that for me.
Repeat: DNC phenomenal success.
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